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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 92
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Redemption
Re: [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
Re: [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
[B7L] Rachel Wilson
Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
[B7L] Cyteen (specially for VJC)
Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
[B7L] Re: Why Avon changed
Re: [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
[B7L] On Matters PD
RE: [B7L] Merchandise
[B7L] Penguin parade
Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:38:33 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Space City" <Space-city@world.std.com>
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> The cabaret. Brilliant. What can I say? Helen Brunton's superb belly
dance.
Yes... I liked *that* bit a *lot*....
> Cartagia and Londo doing a routine together.
And that
And the rest.
Apologies to all for missing the fiction writing workshop - I'm not sure
how that happened (well, I think I was getting my hair up, and maybe
filling in with the Stewarding) but I know it let Judith down.
Sorry.
Guess I'll have to do something for free again next time...
--
"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each
other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do
we?"
http://members.aol.com/vulcancafe
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:33:04 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Penny Dreadful" <egomoo@geocities.com>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
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> [Penny waggles eyebrows again] What kind of costume *was* that, anyhow?
Centauri.
And, on Sunday, *with* the hair.
--
"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each
other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do
we?"
http://members.aol.com/vulcancafe
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:59:59 EST
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Penny asked:
<< > [Penny waggles eyebrows again] What kind of costume *was* that, anyhow?
and Dangermouse replied:
Centauri.
And, on Sunday, *with* the hair. >>
Well, okay, that's cool. But how about that Penny's other question? What did
that "suggestive autograph" say?
Gail
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:47:34 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Rachel Wilson
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Could Rachel Wilson please get in touch if she's on this list. (It's about her
Jacqueline Pearce tape)
Thanks,
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:32:26 +0200
From: "422ami" <422ami@nt52.parliament.bg>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
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I was very impressed by Michelle's message from March, 5th.
It is undoubtedly for me that the simple phrase: "I know who you were. Your
name was Kiera, Kiera... You were very beautiful, very much admired..." has
a deep emotional background. (Actually, this became my sister's most
memorable quote from all the series. And she is not a fan, even...).
It seems to me, that, once upon a time, working in one and the same team,
Travis and Kiera fell in love. Than she probably has taken on herself
responsibility for some his fault (Travis is always capable for involving
in troubles) and has been punished by modifying into mutoid.
Actually, Travis' punishment is even much harder/bigger than Kiera's legal
one, because he continue to live with his memories about their common past.
In "Duel" we can see just the end/outcome of relationship, lasted long
before the series had started.
This relationship is even more dramatic/sorrowful than those between Avon
and Anna, because, unlike Avon, who is convinced, that Anna is dead, Travis
continues to keep/treasure a glamour of hope, that Kiera's feelings and
memories could be restored.
This was just a brief thoughts... sorry for weak English.
The Bulgarian Hellen
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:43:58 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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422ami wrote:
>
> I was very impressed by Michelle's message from March, 5th.
>
> It is undoubtedly for me that the simple phrase: "I know who you were. Your
> name was Kiera, Kiera... You were very beautiful, very much admired..." has
> a deep emotional background. (Actually, this became my sister's most
> memorable quote from all the series. And she is not a fan, even...).
>
> It seems to me, that, once upon a time, working in one and the same team,
> Travis and Kiera fell in love. Than she probably has taken on herself
> responsibility for some his fault (Travis is always capable for involving
> in troubles) and has been punished by modifying into mutoid.
(snip)
> This relationship is even more dramatic/sorrowful than those between Avon
> and Anna, because, unlike Avon, who is convinced, that Anna is dead, Travis
> continues to keep/treasure a glamour of hope, that Kiera's feelings and
> memories could be restored.
>
> This was just a brief thoughts... sorry for weak English.
No, you expressed yourself beautifully.
My own thoughts were that he had _hoped_ to have a relationship with
her, some time ago. Someone who he knew somewhat and admired greatly...
a bit, I suppose, like Lister and Kechansky (sp?) in Red Dwarf. Someone
who seemed unattainable at the time. Now, he's moved up in the ranks and
she's moved down. They were friendly, but he doesn't know how she felt,
exactly, he's hoping to get to see if he can find any feelings she might
have had... only to discover she doesn't even remember her name.
Sad, no matter how you look at it.
--Avona, or
Helen, one 'l'
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:14:00 -0000
From: "Jonathan" <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Cyteen (specially for VJC)
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Dear Vick,
Cyteen is an sf novel set in a moderately dark future - one about as
violent, conflict ridden and risk filled as the C20th.
Humanity has just splintered into two ideologically opposed groups under the
impact of interstellar colonization and the impact of new technologies for
cloning and (more ominously) programming human beings and societies. It won
the Hugo and Nebula awards, and was probably much more derserving than most
winners. It's part of a big very informally arranged series of books - they
take place in the same future history, but there's no special order you're
supposed to read them in.
The main (Avon-ish) character is a brilliant, manipulative and politically
powerful psychological programmer. She gets herself killed early on in the
book, then comes back as a much more innocent clone. Like Avon she walks the
line between villain and hero very nicely. The society she's a member of
conditions many of it's inhabitants much more thoroughly than the
Federation - and she's the chief programmer. But she's also worried about
the welfare of these people and she's trying to save (she believes) the
human race.
The book is about power and what justifies it - competence ? necessity ?
democratic approval ? Probably a very good book for Avon or Servalan fans,
or for people who like to argue over whether Blake was justified in trying
to destroy Star One, or who just hang out here because they can't believe in
Next Generation's heavily armed innocents. A very paranoid book. Avon would
have enjoyed it.
Jonathan Coupe
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:22:14 -0700 (MST)
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@geocities.com>
To: B7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
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Hellen the Bulgarian said:
>> This relationship is even more dramatic/sorrowful than those between
>>Avon and Anna...
Yikes! You are a brave soul indeed to dare make such an assertion.
Fortunately (or was it incredibly clever strategic foresight on your part?) the
loyal defenders of Avon and Anna are all presumably on their deathbeds with
the Creeping Conflu (reading these reports all I could think was 'Good thing it
wasn't a "Survivors" convention')...
One-Ell Helen (Hey, with a name like Avona, shouldn't you be loyally
defending Avon?) added:
>a bit, I suppose, like Lister and Kechansky (sp?) in Red Dwarf.
I've always seen Travis as more of your Rimmer type.
--Penny "Beavis and Butthead's Lovechild" Dreadful
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:13:23 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
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Nina wrote:
re the mutoid "friend" in Duel:
>He takes such pleasure in taunting her about knowing her
> past that I wonder if he wasn't involved in some way in her winding up as a
> mutoid. I like how disconcerted he is when she doesn't react to it. One of
> Travis' more contemptible episodes, IMHO.
>
Contemptible. A word I've not heard applied to Travis before. Most apt.
Your post set me to wondering why it is I regard Servalan with a sort of
horrified admiring fascination - while I regard Travis I with anxious
dread and Travis II with pity and loathing.
Yet the 3 characters in behave in much the same fashion. Except that
either Travis has far more courage in the face of equal or greater odds.
Servalan is the true Bully of the bunch.
Am I blinded by her fashion sense?
Perhaps there *is* something to wearing designer gowns for daily duds.
Pat P
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:00:49 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Why Avon changed
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Cherri wrote:
> > All the INTJ/Ps in the world: all in one place.
>
> Tramila/Cherri runs and HIDES!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Tramilla, for the example.
During the Myers-Briggs thread, someone remarked upon the posting
differences of I's and E's.
One would expect the Extraverts to blather on at length and the
Introverts to toss a pithy remark and run. (Much like Blake does,
delivering long, rabble-rousing litanies to all. Much as Avon does,
flinging at Blake a few words that speak volumes, and then exiting to
hide.)
But no. Quite the opposite. And that is partly because INTs tend to
explore one thing in great depth. Much as this list peers into the
smallest cranny's of every esoteric topic: such as the recent Roche
limit analysis.
ESFs, on the other hand, are social butterflies, flitting about multiple
fandoms and flinging chatty remarks at multiple fan lists and chat
rooms. Therefore, there are few words available for any one list.
(Reminds me of INT Avon, loyally chaste to the memory of one-and-only
Anna. While EST Servalan (to quote the filk) "... had Catholic tastes, a
Star Captain or two; Once a Space Admiral with most of his crew... There
was Travis, Carnell, Jarvik who all - Succumbed to my charms; We had
quite a ball.")
So, I shall horde Cherri's nuts to nibble upon during the long dark
absences during her orbit about the other lists. (Which may even include
The Other List.)
Pat P
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:22:55 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
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Penny Dreadful wrote:
> ew: Jenni -Alison wrote:
> >Also, Penny, he wanted to know whether I still had black underwear on on
> >Sunday...
erm... how could he have known about the black underwear on Saturday?
> >
> >He did put a suggestive autograph on my 'zine when I got him to sign it....
>
> Tsk, they all assume my interest in this matter to be prurient; what kind
> of sick deviant freak do they take me for? ... And more importantly [Penny
> waggles her eybrows in best Marxist
> fashion], what does the autograph say?
Yes! Inquiring minds want to know. ????????
Picture a new 5th season, with the B7 crew pursued by:
Brian Croucher and Timothy Dalton as a Federation hit team.
And equally dark Avon a prisoner in their clutches.
Oh Penny, what a Dreadfully intriguing scene.
> Yours until the Mountain Peeks to see the Salad Dressing,
My, we are feeling prurient!
Pat P
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:37:03 EST
From: Sestina2@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com
Cc: Sestina2@aol.com
Subject: [B7L] On Matters PD
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Hi All,
A query to the members from both lists from a relative newbie. What are your
various impressions of the Paul Darrow, not so much as an actor but as
himself, in real life? I confess an extreme fascination for the character of
Avon, which leads me to wonder what is it about Paul as the person
interpreting Avon -- along with some good scriptwriting -- that yields such a
complex characterization?
Put more plainly, this is a question I would love to ask PD if ever I got to
meet him: How much of Avon is PD and how much of PD is Avon?
Can anyone share any impressions you have of Paul the man based on any
experiences you may have had with him as a fan....meetings at cons, or hearing
interviews, reading anything he's written, or just pure and honest
speculation?
I've just been getting into the B7 audio tapes: Have listened to Sheelagh
Well's tape of Paul with Jaqui called "Elements." My impression of him is as
a very articulate, very intelligent person who takes himself and his work as
an actor quite seriously. I also see a fascination with some bits of American
Culture -- John Wayne and Westerns (not to mention Elvis!) which I as an
American don't find particularly interesting or complex intellectually.
Still, I was struck by both his penchant as a pretty humorous storyteller and
by the calm authority he seems to exude in the tapes themselves. I mean, he
just starts speaking quietly amid several other people's conversations in that
wonderful voice grown even richer with age, and people shut up in mid-sentence
and give him the floor. (I especially noticed this in relation to Gareth
Thomas, who seemed hardly on the "Elements" tape to get a word in edgewise at
various points.)
So much for my impression. Still, my question points to this: The subtlety in
which PD captures the pain and alienation, the emotional withdrawing, the
well-perfected mask of coldness belied of course by the most intense ability
to feel, to love others unconditionally and to the point of utter self-
sacrifice.....how did PD manage to project all that without projecting aspects
of himself as well?
What do you all think?
And while we're at it, what's the scoop on his book "Avon: A Terrible Aspect"?
Can anyone tell me in a nutshell what his theory of Avon's background is (I
haven't been able to locate even a used copy of the book in the US) and why B7
fans seem, almost universally, I gather, to hate it? (Sorry if this rehashing
an old debate/discussion on both lists.)
Ses
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:50:26 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Merchandise
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Thank you, Judith for your help. I don't know if anything will come of it,
but maybe sometime soon I'll have a little liberator hanging from my bedroom
ceiling. For now, I have my sights set on a tribble.
And Nelly, in case you continue having problems getting the newest B7 vids,
the store that I got my B7 video's from is called "not of this earth". It's
in Arnhem, but they have a mailorder catalog on
http:\\www.notofthisearth.nl. I now have a standing order with them for two
B7 video's each month until I catch up. I'm pretty sure they'd do the same
for customers in Scheveningen.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:00:43 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Penguin parade
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>"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up >shooting
each other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each >other in the
back, do we?"
<evil grin> Dangermouse, have you run out of other authors to quote?
Regards
A reader of impracticalities
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:31:52 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: B7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
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In message <199903072022.NAA09825@pilsener.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Penny
Dreadful <egomoo@geocities.com> writes
>Yikes! You are a brave soul indeed to dare make such an assertion.
>Fortunately (or was it incredibly clever strategic foresight on your part?) the
>loyal defenders of Avon and Anna are all presumably on their deathbeds with
>the Creeping Conflu (reading these reports all I could think was 'Good thing it
>wasn't a "Survivors" convention')...
Bog off. Laughing at the enfeebled remains of con survivors, as they
valiently struggle to their keyboards to share what little remains of
their alcohol-soaked memories of last weekend (or in some cases,
fatigue-poison soaked memories)... It's just not on, you know. Do you
want to hear about the incarnation of Travis or don't you? (I thought he
was delightful.)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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