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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 99 : Issue 90

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra
	 [B7L] The Penny Thing?
	 Re: [B7L] The Penny Thing?
	 Re: [B7L] The Penny Thing?
	 [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
	  [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
	 [B7L] Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
	 [B7L] Merchandise
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
	 [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
	 Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
	 [B7L] Random scrap of trivia.
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/Change of career
	 Re: [B7L] Random scrap of trivia.
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/Change of career
	 [B7L] Myers Briggs
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/Change of career
	 [B7L] B7L-quiet?

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:13:51 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra
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Joanne wrote:

> Carol, are you sitting comfortably? I've deliberately visited the site 
>  for the above. Purely in the interests of research, of course.

Fortunately I was sitting down and I wasn't attempting to swallow coffee at
the time. <g>  Don't you just love that Tarrant greets you with a kiss?  My
esteemed associate who is responsible for the site is very talented and
clever. 

And what, pray tell, were you researching?  

>  (wondering what she let herself in for when Carol and Susan Beth scared 
>  her the other day)

Not to worry, you've gotten your revenge.  Mention of the TN page reminded me
that I'm supposed to be gathering material to update it.  I must get back to
that project.

Carol Mc

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:09:50 -0700 (MST)
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@geocities.com>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] The Penny Thing?
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Alison said:

>The same goes for the Penny thing.

To paraphrase Dave Barry, 'The Penny Thing' would be an excellent 
name for a band. Or is that to be my designation here henceforth?

>I certainly don't want people to
>unsub because of things like that.

I shan't unsub until you lowlife bum conventioneers give us the goods on 
Croucher already. I don't know from 'Babylon 5', I don't know from cricket. 
Tell...me...about...Croucher!
And I probably won't unsub even if you do. Nyah!

--Penny "Rumours Of My Unsubbing Have Been Greatly Etc." Dreadful

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:58:44 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Penny Thing?
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Penny said -

>To paraphrase Dave Barry, 'The Penny Thing' would be an excellent
>name for a band. Or is that to be my designation here henceforth?


ermm.. in order to make amends I woudl like to tell you about Brian at
Redemption. But as I'm allergic to celebrities I ignored him as best I
could.

He looked quite handsome, but I think he seems a bit quieter than other
people have described him as being in the past.

Not much of a report I admit

Alison

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Date: 04 Mar 1999 19:34:34 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>>>>> "Alison" == Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> writes:

> He looked quite handsome, but I think he seems a bit quieter than
> other people have described him as being in the past.

You didn't see the end of the auction, did you?

-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
		 Hello? Brain? What do we want for breakfast?

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:12:07 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
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On Thu 04 Mar, Penny Dreadful wrote:

> I shan't unsub until you lowlife bum conventioneers give us the goods on 
> Croucher already. I don't know from 'Babylon 5', I don't know from cricket. 
> Tell...me...about...Croucher!
> And I probably won't unsub even if you do. Nyah!

Can't say much as I'm still tired after getting back from Wales and working most
of the day on washing dishes and convention accounts and things like that.

However, Brian struck me as a very interesting man and quite different from many
descriptions that I'd heard of him.  He's completely tee-total now, which may
account for some of the differences.

He brought his son Sean along with him.  Lovely lad of about 8.

Brian struck me as slighly bemused by the way fans follow the series, but was
happy with an analogy comparing media fandom with football fans (I'm told he
later quoted it to somebody else).  We discussed all sorts of things, the types
of roles he gets cast in - he's perfectly happy being typecast as a criminal
Eastender type, says it keeps him in work (which reminds me of a comment of
Gareth's in which he rather regrets now that he tried to avoid being typecast). 
He doesn't even see it as stereotyping as he says there are plenty of criminals
in the East Eend.  (He spent a time in jail himself many years ago before he
became an actor)

He's a man who says what he thinks and can be very disconcerting when he decides
to pull one on you.  He looked Chris straight in the face and announced that he
didn't like him at all, then laughed and apologised when Chris fell for it. 
(I'd have fallen for it too - actors can be very convincing.  I've seen Gareth
pull similar stunts, even on people who know him well)

The panel that I'd had most trepidation about - Travis and Servalan - was in
fact one of my favourite bits of the convention.  David Walsh was there to
represent Servalan and Brian to pitch in for Travis.  We got some interesting
commens on the respective morality of the two characters.  Brian seeing Travis
as a very straightforward man with military principles and Servalan as far more
of the underhanded schemer.  He bounced well off David and even called him
Jackie on several occasions.  

Other sessions covered a wide rango of things, though I wasn't present for all
of them.  He teaches and directs on occasion.  He has strongly socialist views
and is concerned that people and countries find it so difficult to work together
for the common good.

He struck me as a fairly quiet man who relaxes more as he gets to know people.  
He's also a good speaker and holds the attention of an audience.

He's very good at auctions.  I'm not sure if it's the slightly intimidating
manner <grin>, but he moves stuff quickly.  We were running out of time at the
end of the auction and needed to shift the last 20 low-value items in about two
minutes.  I asked him to take each item in turn and sell it to the first person
to give him the price he asked for.  No second bids or anything else like that.

I'd pass him a photo, book or programme and tell him what I thought it would
fetch.  He'd promptly add one or two quid to that and got his asking price every
time in a couple of seconds.  We were moving stuff faster than the badge numbers
of the buyers could be recorded.  What I found really fascinating was that we
were getting a price that would normally have taken a couple of minutes to reach
under normal auction circumstances.

I'm still adding up all the sums, but the convention charities got over a
thousand pounds in the auction and some of that is certainly due to Brian.

Judith

PS.  If you ever want to buy Brian a drink, he usually goes for a pint of
lemonade.

PPS.  I'll try and write a bit more of my own convention diary later, but I
really must finish off the accounts first.
-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:58:51 -0700 (MST)
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@geocities.com>
To: B7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject:  [B7L] Brian Croucher and Redemption
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I said:
>> Tell...me...about...Croucher!
And wow -- the way y'all hopped on this I'd almost think you *wanted* me 
to unsub, if I didn't know how much you really love me deep down.

Alison said:

>ermm.. in order to make amends I woudl like to tell you about Brian at
>Redemption. But as I'm allergic to celebrities I ignored him as best I
>could.

I wasn't offended. I really do like the ring of 'That Penny Thing'. And me, 
as far as I can recall I've only ever lined up for one celebrity autograph 
(Dave Sim)...so I understand your position.

Judith said:

>He's completely tee-total now...

Oh, how depressing. You know every time an alcoholic climbs on the 
wagon a Strawberry Angel loses its wings...The part of me which has 
pledged eternal allegiance to Eris was rather hoping for riots and 
mayhem...but the part of me that actually believes in the existence of 
other people as thinking feeling entities is happy to hear otherwise. 
Thank you for the report, Judith. I'm a glad penny now.

--Penny "Drinking For Two" Dreadful

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:44:31 -0000
From: "STEVIN" <stevin@vossnet.co.uk>
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:18:03 +0100 
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
        "'space city'"
	 <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Merchandise
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I picked up video's number 8 and 9 today and as it turns out, the owner of
that store is also a B7 fan. He asked me if I had any adresses for him where
he can get B7 merchandise which he would really like to sell in his store
(after getting some of it for himself, of course).

As it happens, I haven't a clue as to where you can get any of this stuff,
but I'm willing to bet that someone on these lists does. So could you please
let me know, because I'd really like to get my hands on some of that stuff,
too.

Jacqueline

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:55:03 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
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Stephen wrote:
>Reuben wrote:
>>Hmm, Douglas Camfield as director (just because it would be fun).
>Definitely.

Yes, but you'd need that TARDIS you mentioned, unfortunately.

>My own choices (in no particular order of importance) JMS, Iain M. 
>Banks, William Gibson, James Blish, Nigel Kneale, Joe Aherne (the >chap 
who wrote Ultraviolet) 

Joe Aherne? Yes, please - while all the others would be interesting 
choices, Aherne did such a marvellous job of Ultraviolet (well, that's 
my opinion, anyway <smile> I enjoyed it, and I'm furious that I managed 
to miss the first episode when it was shown in Australia late last year) 
that it would be very interesting to see what he could do with something 
like B7.

>oh plus Chris Boucher and Terry Nation. (I am 
>assuming that I have access to a fully working TARDIS here).

Under the circumstances, ie that this is pure speculation, the sky's the 
limit. <grin> Of course you have access to a fully working TARDIS!

>>Guest star?  Why Sylvester McCoy of course.
>Morgan Freeman, Andreas Katsulas, Peter Jurasik, Claudia Christian, 
>Patrick McGoohan, Tom Baker, The four main characters from 
>Ultraviolet, Edward Woodward, Andre Morell, Julian Glover, Dame >Diana 
Rigg.

Sound like pretty good choices. Would you care to suggest possible parts 
for them to play? (I'd try, but I'm off home for the weekend in a minute 
or two.)

Regards
Joanne
(Research, Carol? Oh, nothing in particular.)


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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:05:33 PST
From: "Michelle A." <mikela72@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
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Hi,

I'm Mikela (apparently the 72nd with that not as unusual as I thought 
name, but since I haven't seen any others on this list, I think that's 
OK). Glad to meet all of you and to join in the conversation (mild 
warning: I try to keep it under control, but you will no doubt notice my 
tendency to go off on tangents and be long winded. I apologize ahead of 
time and can only hope my love of B7 [and whatever occassional insights 
I may have to offer] balance it out)

The point of this e-mail: I know this was discussed a while back, but in 
"Duel" when Travis started telling the mutoid her past, I had a 
differenct take on it than the postings I read. I was wondering why she 
was sent down--it doesn't take too high an IQ to see mutoids are not 
often in the best friends catagory.  Then Travis started talking to her.  
It suddenly hit me he'd known her--that would be how he knew information 
purged from the central computer (unless you believe Travis gets a 
complete, apparently illegal, and completely useless background file on 
every mutoid on the ship and that he then commits it to memory. Or if 
you just believe he can normally tell one mutoid from another [I usually 
can't]). Then there was how he described, beautiful and admired, and I 
thought those were _his_ opinions of her.

The way he was saying it, I suddenly imagined him having this thing for 
a woman who (for whatever reasons) was made into a mutoid. By luck or 
because he arranged it, she's on the same ship as him. He's never done 
anything. From what the mutoid said, I assumed it would be against rules 
to discuss her past, or perhaps he simply knew better.  But he's had 
this little fantasy in the back of his mind. He's imagined telling her 
about her past, seeing her excited to learn it, seeing her break through 
her altered memories and conditioning the way Blake did, her gratitude 
to him for doing this (did she love him or does he hope she would love 
him?) and he finally has a chance to act it out. But it means nothing to 
her. The beautiful woman he had admired is dead. This thing left in her 
place is incapable of feeling or remembering any of the things important 
to him. Being Travis, he takes it out on her.

But it's kind of ironic. He and Blake were warned they would lose a 
friend. Travis did, even if it was only the illusion of one.

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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:53:13
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis/Mutoids
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Mikela wrote:

>But it's kind of ironic. He and Blake were warned they would lose a 
>friend. Travis did, even if it was only the illusion of one.

Wow. Yeah. Insightful. Succinct. Bravo, Mikela.

--Penny "Not Dead Yet" Dreadful

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:31:01 -0800 (PST)
From: tkat <miri_kerr@rocketmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Random scrap of trivia.
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Blakes7 turns up in the most unexpected of places. In this
case, it was the theme music finishing off a slide show in
my physics lab at the University of New South Wales.

Katrina.
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:00:14 GMT0BST
From: "I am Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <csm80316@port.ac.uk>
To: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
CC: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/Change of career
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> >>Guest star?  Why Sylvester McCoy of course.
> >Morgan Freeman, Andreas Katsulas, Peter Jurasik, Claudia Christian, 
> >Patrick McGoohan, Tom Baker, The four main characters from 
> >Ultraviolet, Edward Woodward, Andre Morell, Julian Glover, Dame >Diana 

I've often thought thet Paul would likewise make a great replacement 
for McGoohan in the Prisoner. (Isn't Mel Gibson up for the film 
version? Rotten choice!!)  Paul has the right accent (no accent!) the 
right age (no seriously, to be credible, the part suits an older man) 
and the right attitude. What does anybody think?

BTW, I've just got some lovely photo's back from Guards! Guards1 
after show party. Does anyone have any objections to JPG. 
attachments, as long as they're not to big?

Vick 

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:02:41 GMT0BST
From: "I am Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <csm80316@port.ac.uk>
To: tkat <miri_kerr@rocketmail.com>
CC: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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> Blakes7 turns up in the most unexpected of places. In this
> case, it was the theme music finishing off a slide show in
> my physics lab at the University of New South Wales.
> 
> Katrina.

Question is, did anyone actually know that that was what it was? It 
could have, however just been an excerpt from 'Music' by (I think) 
John Williams, the two do sound rather alike.

Vick

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Date: 05 Mar 1999 10:05:42 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "I am Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <csm80316@port.ac.uk>
Cc: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/Change of career
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>>>>> "I" == I am Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <csm80316@port.ac.uk> writes:

> Does anyone have any objections to JPG. attachments, as long as
> they're not to big?

Yes.

/listadmin
-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
       "Then I dream of a world where idiots are hunted like wild pigs"
		  -- Stephen Edwards, scary.devil.monastery

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:03:48 GMT0BST
From: "I am Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <csm80316@port.ac.uk>
To: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Myers Briggs
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Is it me, or has this list got quiet very suddenly?

Vick

Still an INTP.

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:27:16 GMT0BST
From: "I am Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <csm80316@port.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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> >>>>> "I" == I am Stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <csm80316@port.ac.uk> writes:

I'm annoyed because some fool changed my identity to I am Stupid!!!

Believe me, I'm not.

Vick

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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:51:05 -0000
From: "Debra Collard" <Debra@whisson1.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "B7L" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7L-quiet?
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>Is it me, or has this list got quiet very suddenly?

>Vick

It has gone quiet, but as my head is still buzzing after Redemption (why
didn't anyone tell me before that Conventions were such good fun?) I haven't
anything useful to say except to thank everyone who was resposible for
arranging and running the con.

Debra

NB If anyone is thinking about changing to Freeserve-Don't. My mail gets
eaten.

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