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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 99 : Issue 89

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
	 [B7L]Buddleia
	 [B7L] Videos (was Re: SC: A space city questionnaire)
	 Re: [B7L]Buddleia
	 Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long)
	 Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long)
	 [B7L] Re: Avon & Vena
	 [B7L] Tarrant Nostra
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
	 Re: [B7L] Evolving Avon (was More B7 game stats ( really long)
	 Re: [B7L] Career change?
	 Re: [B7L] Career change?
	 [B7L] Wales
	 Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
	 Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long)
	 Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long)

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:05:49 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
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On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Jonathan wrote:

> I have a *strong* gut feeling that Tarrantino is the man we need for this,
> although Villa especially may disagree.
> 

Nonononono. The scenes you described were just _so_ John Woo. He's the
only man for the job.

Iain

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 05:21:58 PST
From: "Stephen Date" <stephendate@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>Jonathan wrote:
>
>I have a *strong* gut feeling that Tarrantino is the man we need for 
this,
>
> and Lisa added
>
>I'd recommend Giacomo Puccini, personally.
>
Surely the scenes described were from Richard Wagner's little known epic 
"Der Siebendammerung".

Luciano Pavarotti would be entirely convincing as Avon.

Stephen.


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:57:00 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]Buddleia
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Neil said :

>As VJC pointed out, it is indeed Buddleia (sometimes spelt Buddleja),
but
>also known just as 'butterfly bush'. B. davidii is a good one for
>attracting butterflies to the garden, since it flowers in late summer.
>Plenty of sunlight, not too much water, and make sure the soil is
alkaline
>(it can grow in bare chalk).

>Note to butterfly fans - ....

After all the praise heaped upon this wretched plant, I wonder if anyone
can tell me whether there is a plant with the inverse effect on
butterflies
i.e. a sort of negative Buddleia.

I have a phobia of moths and butterflies and would love something
to keep them away from me. Last summer our next door neighbour had
a buddleia in the garden which attracted some of those huge dark
butterflies with eye-like markings on the wings (red admirals?). I can't
tell you the panic and confusion it caused when one of those flew
into our kitchen.

If any of you gardeners can help I would be very grateful as then I
could plant
the appropriate butterfly repellent around the borders and feel
comfortable
again about opening  the windows on a sunny day.

Julie

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:41:50 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:space-city@world.std.com" <space-city@world.std.com>,
        "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
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Jacqueline mentioning that she had only the first seven B7 tapes reminds me
that I still failed to get rid of my two surplus reissued videos, number
eight (Shadow/Weapon) and number nine (Horizon/Pressure Point) at the Bring
and Buy at Redemption; has anyone else turned up who might be interested?

Harriet

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:43:47 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
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Julie said -

>After all the praise heaped upon this wretched plant, I wonder if anyone
>can tell me whether there is a plant with the inverse effect on
>butterflies
>i.e. a sort of negative Buddleia.


It isn't a very pretty plant but Artemesia or mugwort used to be used to get
rid of moths (mug = moth). However that might be moth caterpillars in cloth
for all I know.

Alison

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:34:55 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Rob Clother <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] More B7 game stats ( really long)
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In message <19990303092135.7523.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Clother
<whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> writes
>Everyone is entitled to hold their own opinion: however, this list 
>amounts to a public forum.  Please keep your sexist opinions private: 
>they are no more acceptable coming from members of one sex than the 
>other.

<Sigh> I really didn't think I'd have to insert a :^) smiley in that
one. If others misunderstood my sense of humour (which I admit, is easy
to do), then I apologise.
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: 03 Mar 1999 22:26:11 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>>>>> "Julia" == Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> writes:

> <Sigh> I really didn't think I'd have to insert a :^) smiley in that
> one. If others misunderstood my sense of humour (which I admit, is
> easy to do), then I apologise.

Personally, I don't think you have any reason to apologise.
-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
      Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:05:09 -0000
From: "Susan Bennett" <susanb@iol.ie>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon & Vena
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Nina said:

>>>One of my favorite Avon/Cally scenes is in "The Web", when she
finds him taking the teleport apart.  He's obviously startled by her,
then goes sort of quiet and looks at her with a *very* speculative
expression - you can practically see the wheels spinning in his head
as he tries to figure out why she's coming on to him and how to react.
Another glimpse of the "real" Kerr Avon, I think -- a little shy and
appealingly geeky.<<<

I love that scene.  Avon looks so fascinated with her, as if he has
just seen her for the first time, although there was a look in Time
Squad that was somewhat similar.  Fascination is the only word I can
find to describe it.


Susan Bennett
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ebonyben@geocities.com
susanb@iol.ie

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:51:37 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra
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Carol, are you sitting comfortably? I've deliberately visited the site 
for the above. Purely in the interests of research, of course.

Regards
Joanne
(wondering what she let herself in for when Carol and Susan Beth scared 
her the other day)

PS visited the B7 sounds site too - very nice redesign.


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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:15:36 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
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>From: "Jonathan" <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Blake's 7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: [B7L] Dream writers/directors/guest stars for B7
>Date: Wed, Mar 3, 1999, 9:41 PM
>

>Proposed pointless exercise : If you imagine you had a US primetime sixth
>season of Blake's Seven - there's a big  budget and the CGI team has already
>been headhunted from B5/DS9  - who would you pick to write / direct / guest
>star ?
>
Hmm, Douglas Camfield as director (just because it would be fun).

Writer, well we've seen what Neil didn't do for B5, so scratch him... how
about a Harlan Ellison script.  Just Harlan.

Guest star?  Why Sylvester McCoy of course.

Reuben
http://www.reuben.net/blake/

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:24:11 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 2/24/99 9:25:30 PM Mountain Standard Time,
mistral@ptinet.net writes:

>  Okay, the first five reasons for the change in Avon from series A to
>  series D that I can come up with are:
>  <snipping lengthy and hilarious analysis>
>  1) Desperately Seeking Avon:  
>  2) On a Guilt Trip: 
>  3)  The Combination Plate  
>  4) What Happens When You Give a Geek a Spaceship 
>      What did you think was going to happen when geeky little Avon got his
>       hands on the most powerful ship in the galaxy?
For me, the problem seemed mainly that not much of anything happened.  <g>
>  5) Male Mental-Pause:
Can I have a combination of all of the above? <g>  But mostly 1 and 5, with a
dash of 2 for general angst.  I agree with your argument that he's on a slow
slide from the very beginning, although I think it probably started as far
back as when he first planned the bank fraud.  Bored and cranky, our repressed
little computer geek gets fed up with being under-appreciated and under-
compensated, and starts rebelling in the most gratifying way his pragmatic
mind can think of.
On the brink of what he thinks is victory, he gets caught and dragged through
a very traumatic experience. (He definitely has a guilt thing going on about
Anna, from start to finish.)  Escaping with the others on Liberator initially
looks like a positive change in his luck, and he does start to relax a bit.
He's at his mellowest (OK, that's a *very* relative term <g>) in late season 1
/ early season 2.  He even starts to believe in Blake (however reluctantly)
but as Blake goes downhill himself in season 2, Avon's stress level starts
climbing again.  Seeing that his idol has feet of clay does not sit well with
our boy.  In season 3, he discovers that being the leader is not such an easy
or desirable thing after all, not to mention that he's not particularly good
at it.  With Tarrant instead of Blake, his position is reversed and he's on
defense instead of offense.  Possibly, it serves him right <g>, but it does
turn one of his few means of venting his stress into a new source of it. He
starts making increasingly reckless decisions; I think he avoids involving the
others because in an odd sort of way he doesn't want them to have to share the
guilt of responsibility if things go wrong.  Losing Cally and Liberator piles
on more guilt. The humiliation of being so thoroughly tricked by Servalan
seems to give him a huge final push into taking up Blake's crusade, even if
it's for practical reasons of survival rather than Blake's idealistic ones.
But notice that his definition of survival requirements has at this point
expanded to include entire planetary systems, not just a bolthole: "In the
end, winning is the only safety."  (Sure seems like a mid-life-crisis type
change to me.)  The more things go wrong, on into season 4, the more stressed
out and aggressive he (and his wardrobe) gets and for some reason that seems
to make him even more willing to accept increasingly risky plans, as though he
truly doesn't see any alternatives.  
Contrary to what seems to be popular opinion, though, I don't see him as being
*consistantly* crazy by the end of season 4.  Oh, there are a couple of
moments where he snaps temporarily in moments of unendurable pressure, but
other than Orbit and Blake, to me he still seems as rational as you could
expect him to be under the circumstances.

>  8) Avon: A Terrible Aspic: Surprise!!!! While at Star One, one of the
>  Andromedan Lime gelatins duplicated his form, sucked his brains, and
teleported up
>  to the Liberator. The strain of being Avon was too much for it :D

<urk...twitch...snicker>  I think maybe they got to PD and his editor too.

Force wall activated!!
Time to stop rambling now..........Nina (queen of the run-on sentence...)

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 01:24:08 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
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In a message dated 3/2/99 6:32:33 AM Mountain Standard Time,
csm80316@port.ac.uk writes:

> I think he'd be great as Zaphod Beeblebrox in a re-make of HHGTTG

Hmm.  I have a hard time picturing that, maybe because I've never seen PD in
anything comedic.  (I'd LOVE to see GG, but that's pretty unlikely I suspect.)
Personally, I favor Harrison Ford as Zaphod.

Nina

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:00:03 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Pherber@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/2/99 6:32:33 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> csm80316@port.ac.uk writes:
>
> > I think he'd be great as Zaphod Beeblebrox in a re-make of HHGTTG
>
> Hmm.  I have a hard time picturing that, maybe because I've never seen PD in
> anything comedic.

That's odd. I was under the impression you'd watched B7 :)

> Personally, I favor Harrison Ford as Zaphod.

Ooooooh! Decisions, decisions..... then again, didn't he have two heads?

Mistral
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"And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:11:35 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Wales
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I'm not sure whether they got to meet up in person or simply did it by radio
link (because nobody seemed too sure in advance) but Paul and Gareth were
supposed to do something today (Wednesday) for Welsh TV or radio.

I don't suppose anyone caught it did they?

It was basically a quick chat between them to generate publicity for the two
plays.

The performance we saw of Guards Guards was absolutely hilarious.  Paul was on
fine form and so were the rest of the cast.  The young man playing the 'king' of
Ankh Morepork would have made an excellent Tarrant <grin>.  He even made jokes
about toothpaste.  Lady Ramkin was another favourite character.


'Hosts of Rebecca' had some stunning scenes.  How they managed to create a
totally believable coal mine with little more than three ladders and a few
staves is beyond me, but the lighting director deserves an Oscar for making the
scene changes so convincing.

Gareth was on fine form and it was another good ensemble cast.  He looks very
fetching with a beard, too.

I'd add that Cardiff is also an excellent city to visit.  The castle interiors
are a Victorian gothic fantasy and really beautiful.  The art gallery has made
me a convert to Rodin's sculptires and there are also Impressionist paintings
and lots of other stuff.  They're both within walking distance of the theatre.

Go and see both plays if you possibly can.

Judith
-- 
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 02:35:09 PST
From: "Stephen Date" <stephendate@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Reuben wrote:

>Hmm, Douglas Camfield as director (just because it would be fun).

Definitely.

>Writer, well we've seen what Neil didn't do for B5, so scratch him... 
how
>about a Harlan Ellison script.  Just Harlan.

My own choices (in no particular order of importance) JMS, Iain M. 
Banks, William Gibson, James Blish, Nigel Kneale, Joe Aherne (the chap 
who wrote Ultraviolet) oh plus Chris Boucher and Terry Nation. (I am 
assuming that I have access to a fully working TARDIS here).

>Guest star?  Why Sylvester McCoy of course.

Morgan Freeman, Andreas Katsulas, Peter Jurasik, Claudia Christian, 
Patrick McGoohan, Tom Baker, The four main characters from Ultraviolet, 
Edward Woodward, Andre Morell, Julian Glover, Dame Diana Rigg.





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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 03:02:42 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Julia Jones:

><Sigh> I really didn't think I'd have to insert a :^) smiley in that
>one. If others misunderstood my sense of humour (which I admit, is 
>easy to do), then I apologise.

It may be that I was oversensitive -- I'm not sure, and at the moment, 
I'm not making an awful lot of sense anyway.

I think I'd better unsub: otherwise I'll only end up taking things out 
on members of this list.  And that wouldn't be fair.

-- Rob



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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:52:53 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>,
        "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Not sure if you have unsubbed Rob. I don't think you should unless for your
own sake, if you need a bit of a break. I don't think a bit of disagreement
at that level does the list any harm. FWIW I agree with Julia on this but
who cares? It's just a minor difference in views.

The same goes for the Penny thing. I haven't a clue what has upset anyone,
but speaking as an outsider to what was going on, it's not intrusive or
uncomfortable to read. Not for me anyway. I certainly don't want people to
unsub because of things like that.

I think it would be a shame if we couldn't express contrary views on the
lists. It's interesting as often as not. 

Alison

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