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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 87
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Dead Robin
RE: [B7L] Flattened Robin
Re: [B7L]Why Servalan was so disagreeable
Re: [B7L]Why Servalan was so disagreeable
Re: [B7L] Penny's Pix
re: [B7L] Fannishness
Re: [B7L] Flat Robin #34 (Probably)
[B7L] Re: Slightly Soiled Robin
Re: [B7L] Introvert/extrovert clashes: off topic rambling
[B7L] Redemption
Re: [B7L] Allure Def? & bits (was Re:Allure, Power Games and Tarrant...)
Re: [B7L]Allure, Power Games and Avon the sex beast
Re: [B7L]Why Servalan was so disagreeable
Re:[B7L]Why Servalan was so disagreeable
Re:[B7L]Fannishness
[B7L] PD and Avon
Re: [B7L] Re: Slightly Soiled Robin
[B7L] Zine help? was Re: Mary Sues
[B7L] Redemption Con report
[B7L] Problem with Robin! :)
[B7L] Babylon XI v Blake's XI at Redemption
[B7L] Review: The Gilbert and Servalan Songbook
[B7L] Review: Solstice
Re: [B7L] Re: Slightly Soiled Robin
Re: [B7L] Problem with Robin! :)
[B7L] Re: Penny's Pix
[B7L] Re: Flat Robin #34 (Probably)
[B7L] Redemption
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:43:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@geocities.com>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Dead Robin
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Well, I gather one of our participants has dropped out, and no doubt at least
one more will be following shortly. And I am sufficiently disheartened by
what has transpired that I don't care to contribute further either (and in any
case as an eye-enn-tee-pee I should be losing interest in it soon enough in
any case). I'd say that's pretty much that, unless anyone else cares to take
up the slack. From now on I'll keep my deranged fantasies to myself. Oh
don't all start crying at once.
--Penny "Brett Easton Ellis" Dreadful
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:25:49 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Flattened Robin
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> Oh no, now I feel all anxious...is it going to be just me and Avona (the
> obliviously egotistical INTPs, teehee) valiantly plugging away at this
> thing
> henceforth? I hope not.
>
Neither do I. Now that redemption is over, there should be enough good
writers on this list with nothing to do who can pick up the slack
> Arkaroo said himself his chapter was a silly aside
> and was in no way meant either to further or to hinder the Plot...I think
> we've
> each of us contributed something less than ideal on occasion -- I suspect
> nothing would have been said if it had been known it was Arkaroo posting,
> so...hmm, maybe I ought to start posting anonymously because I *want*
> Constructive Criticism.
>
Not entirely true. Although less than ideal probably describes this part of
the flat robin as well as most of my contributions, this was not the main
reason I decided to stop writing. It's just that lately I have found it more
and more difficult to write anything at all, good or otherwise. And when a
little thing like this can ruin my whole day, I know I've gotten too uptight
about it. Unfortunately I can't just turn my feelings off, so the only thing
I can do is what I have done: take my distance from the whole thing. I do
apologise if this came out as criticism. It was certainly not intended.
Jacqueline
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 01:59:11
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@geocities.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Why Servalan was so disagreeable
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At 10:34 PM 2/23/99 -0000, Julie Horner wrote:
>I have just developed this theory as to why Servalan grew so tetchy.
>Listen to the scenes in her office in Space Command HQ. Can you
>here that distinctive background noise?...
>All I know is that when you have noticed it it is really irritating...
Aaahghghghg! I have watched 'Trial', like, a hundred times (I'm a deeply
disturbed little penny)...but only the day before yesterday did I find
myself for the *first* time going "Jeez, what's that sound?" when Servalan
and Thania are talking in Servy's office and only *now* do I realize *you*
Julie are the one who made me aware of it. I hope you're happy...
--Penny "Resist The Host" Dreadful
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 00:41:32 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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From: Penny Not-so-Dreadful
<I have watched 'Trial', like, a hundred times (I'm a deeply
disturbed little penny)...>
There is something wrong with doing this? No one told me...
<but only the day before yesterday did I find myself for the *first*
time going "Jeez, what's that sound?" when Servalan and Thania are
talking in Servy's office and only *now* do I realize *you* Julie are
the one who made me aware of it. >
Now we just have to come up with a logical (?) reason why the Supreme
Commander didn't make them fix the blasted air-comditioning. Maybe she
found it soothing? Maybe it put her in the right frame of mind for
putting the Galaxy to Fire (and The Sword, of course?). Then we can all
ignore it again.
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 01:15:53 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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From Penny:
>Inspired by Lisa (although not a tenth as organised, or navigable, or
>discriminating) -- and the fact she said (if I recall correctly) we
shouldn't
>hold our breath waiting for her to give us 'Gambit' (one of the few
>episodes I have in good quality format as opposed to SLP off YTV)...
A thousand and three more thanks going to you, Penny - they are
WONDERFUL.
Aftermath pics one day, Gambit pics the next...what more could we want
(what more have you got <g>???)
I'm sorry the Flat Robin's fading - having read not one of the Discworld
novels, I didn't feel qualified to comment or contribute, but I was
enjoying what you all were writing.
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 01:07:16 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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<I get the impression that many fan-fiction readers deem *any* original
character with an active role in the plot a "Mary-Sue", and therefore
Eeeeevil.>
Probably not if Avon then shoots her...and ENJOYS it.
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 03:23:14 -0700
From: Arkaroo <woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Flat Robin #34 (Probably)
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If I'd known I was going to be single-handedly responsible for
destroying the Flat-Robin, I would have worked on my chapter involving
Tarrant and the Teletubbies (I kid you not) and avoided Travis and
Blake. I went into it without checking on what everybody else was into,
plot-wise, and that was a mistake.
So, from now on, I'm not gonna write anything without first running the
flagpole up the idea and seeing if it clashes with anybody else. I don't
want to cause any more corpses on the streets.
>So I will back out of it now.
>Jacqueline
Noooo! I promise!
>this chapter...
>is bordering on being Other-list material.
Erm. Was it really more filthy than the chapter where Fitzrogers offers
to can Pollock (if you know what I mean)? Well, waggling chili-dogs is
rather evocative, I suppose. I'm going to keep away from the Blakes 7
characters from now on; I guess I'm better with the Discworld. And I'll
minimize the smutty food references.
>one more will be following shortly. And I am sufficiently disheartened
>by what has transpired that I don't care to contribute further either
>--Penny "Brett Easton Ellis" Dreadful
I think that's rather extreme. Nothing spectacularly bad has happened;
just lack of communication on my part. I want to see this story through
to the end, and if I have to write the entire damnable thing myself I
will. Eventually. But be prepared, then, for nothing but extended skits
involving Andromedans.
Speaking of Andromedans --> Helen, there's a wide variety of Andromedans
who would die well: the Bo'sun, the First Mate, the Ensign, the
Communications Officer... I'm thinking the Captain will eventually be
the last Andromedan left standing (or, rather, the last Andromedan left
lying there sort of liquidy). He's the one holding them together as a
unit.
Anyways, where was I? Oh, yes, everybody keep writing. I want to see
some Rincewind chapters!
Yours Truly,
Arkaroo (who is not Penny, and is *always* Arkaroo, no matter what the
quality of his writing)
P.S. Any mail sent to arkaroo@conk.com won't reach me; the darn thing
doesn't work. I can be reached at arkaroo@hotmail.com, or at
woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (which gives away my *real* last name.
Eek!), or possibly by chanting hideous invocations and sacrificing
marinated tofu stir-fry.
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 03:31:09 -0700
From: Arkaroo <woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Slightly Soiled Robin
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Upon further examination of my last chapter, I realize the difference in
tone is probably the result of what I read last week, as I was required
to read approximately thirteen bazillion noir and noir-oriented works.
I've also read 320 pages of 'Gone With The Wind'. Yes, all that for the
same class. Spooky.
Any thoughts?
Yrs Truly, Arkaroo (Frankly, my dear, I don't give a figgin...)
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 02:29:36 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Avona:
>This is probablly a classic extrovert/introvert conflict, and the
>very reason introverts like to keep to themselves.
I hear what you're saying. Maybe a way to bridge the gap between
introverts and extroverts is for each party to find some of the opposite
characteristic in themselves. I don't believe that the
introvert/extrovert question is one-dimensional. I think it's
two-dimensional: a person can be either, both or neither. Sometimes I
have asked myself whether I'm an introvert or an extrovert. When I'm
sitting around on my own, writing a program for hours on end, I'm a
total introvert. When I'm lecturing, and holding the attention of 60+
students through the force of my personality, I'm strongly extroverted.
Maybe introversion and extroversion are skills that can both be
mastered, and called upon when the appropriate situation demands it.
>I just wanted to say, while I'm still in an utterly vulnerable frame
>of mind, that I really love talking to you guys. You give me a lot
>of smiles, not just with jokes, but also your capacity for
>intelligent discussion and mutual respect.
I think a lot of us have been there and back a great many times. We may
only be names on screens and silly quotes in signatures (not thinking of
anyone in particular, of course), but I do like to think that we're
there for each other.
>--Avona, or is it Cally's Clone today?
Don't know. How many whales have you saved in the past week?
-- Rob "Discover your inner self" Clother
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:17:38 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "space city" <space-city@world.std.com>,
"lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption
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Thank you. Thank you to everyone who helped organise this. I had a fantastic
time. I may or may not have more coherent comments to make at a later time,
but it was so great to see everyone from the two lists. I hope people don't
mind me taking up email space to make these thanks public.
Alison
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:47:34 +0000
From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
To: mistral@ptinet.net
Cc: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Allure Def? & bits (was Re:Allure, Power Games and Tarrant...)
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writes
> Hi, Russ. I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.
>
>This conversation has been like trying to dance on quicksand <g>.
>
>Notice, please, how the godmother of the Tarrant Nostra evilly tempted me in
>by
>offering to lower Tarrant's scores, and than ran away to safety. <g>
>
>I think I am answering question A), but then it turns into question B), which in
>turn becomes C) when I respond to that one. <g> I am *not* accusing you of
>doing
>it deliberately <g> although I have run into people who use that style almost
>exclusively to discuss, because then, of course, one never has to concede
>anything. <g>
>
I'm sorry if that's how I'm coming over - it's a discussion style that
annoys me sometimes, as well. If I change the subject it'll normally be
because I've conceded the point, but didn't see the necessity to put 'I
now agree with everything you say' :)
>I thought the quesion was relative sex appeal between Avon and Tarrant?
It was. Avon has obviously got the greater appeal, as he has the larger
fan following. QED.
>Which turned into self-awareness of it?
And I believe the arguments that Avon is very aware of his own appeal
and Tarrant is less so.
>Which turned into use of it?
I still feel that Avon is a sexual bully rather than a seducer. Tarrant is
just a fluffy bunny rabbit.
>Which turned into effective use of it?
Avon rarely failed to intimidate any women he got his lips onto.
>Which somehow turned into wanting to get something from use of it?
Eh?
>Which suddenly, for some reason, must draw a distinction between seduction
>and
>power games? (Both uses of sex appeal, IMO)
>
Well, power games don't have to involve sex appeal - I was arguing
that it was Avon's preferred approach.
>Help!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>To me those are all separate questions. I think I'm answering one, then you
>say
>yes, but, you haven't answered the other one. You are too clever by half <g>.
>
>What *exactly* is the definition of sex-appeal in Gurps again? (And isn't what
>we
>were discussing?)
GURPS puts it more nicely, but it's essentially the skill of
manipulating someone into having sex with you. As an interesting
sidenote it's actually a Health based skill in the game, whereas I'd
argue it's a Mental one. Physical attractiveness is already taken
account of as a modifier to the reaction role anyway.
>
>> And aren't we at the evolutionary stage were our conscious
>> forebrains can override these atavistic impulses?
>
>Actually, no. But that's a whole 'nother argument. Let it suffice to say that the
>impulses do in fact have to occur first; then you have to be *aware* of them
>before your forebrain can take charge. Awareness is the weakest link in the
>chain.
>A new situation is a new situation; you rarely know what to do. Being in the
>arms
>of a man like Avon is a new situation for Pella; he's no Hommik. She decides
>later, of course, that he's just like them; but I think, really, that having met
>in such a way that they were not naturally on opposite sides, she might have
>thought differently. I'm not suggesting that she would have fallen for him;
>merely
>that Avon was quicker to take advantage of the situation than she was. Sexual
>power games were nothing new to him, but they almost certainly were to her
>(differentiating them, of course, from outright war between the sexes).
That's a good point. Pella would have had no experience of the sort of
male petty points scoring that all women in a mixed society learn to
deal with as a matter of course. Then again, are all female groupings
automatically nitvana? I expect that you still get jealousy, back-
stabbing, one-upmanship and power politics in same-sex communities
too.
>
>
>Sorry, Russ, not by half. You are too much a sensitive 90's kind of guy,
<snort>
>whereas I
>have been bullied and brutalized by the best of the atavistic tradition. I
>consider Petruchio a romantic old softy, and Avon's practically a puppy. I
>love
>the smell of testosterone in the morning. <grin>
I find it makes the cornflakes soggy.
>
> ===========
>
>Responds in kind, actually. Avon is IMHO, basically a gentleman. See the new
>Avon/Vena thread for that argument. Anna, on the other hand, could swallow
>Avon
>whole and spit his bones out to impale passersby. He is an amateur in every
>way to
>her, when it comes to manipulation. He was only alive at the end of Rumors
>because
>she was thinking, and he was so much on edge that he could do no more than
>react.
I'm willing to go along with that view.
>
>> >3) The Combination Plate (most common):
>
>> More or less my own take on Avon.
>
><sigh> I'd have never expected you to take such a pedestrian view.
>
Pedestrian does not necessarily equal wrong :) I can argue any
viewpoint you like, but when it comes to writing for 'my' Avon the
default setting is a mixture of conflicting motivations and emotions.
Humans are complicated. Only maniacs have a single reason for doing
something.
>
>> >5) Male Mental-Pause:
>> Avon begins to get in touch with the _Wild_Man_That_Is_Kerr_!
>> >
>> I'd go along with this except for one thing. He's not wild enough! He's
>> always urging caution, complaining about the risks undertaken and
>> generally being very careful with his own life.
>
>Tries to tango with an asteroid? Goes to Malodar with a gun but no
>*bracelets*?
>Walks into the slave camp himself, and alone? Goes to Terminal alone? Goes
>after
>Shrinker, then Servalan? How many risks do you want him to take?
Point taken. The arguments for a subconscious death-wish certainly
have a lot of corroborating evidence. He used to tick Blake off for
taking far less risky actions than the ones he does. You notice though,
that most of them only involve direct risk to himself, whereas Blake's
schemes tended to involve the entire crew.
>
>Tarrant flirting:
>
>> I seem to remember he gives Cally several appreciative glances in a
>> few early episodes. I might be projecting :)
>
>You are :)
I'll take that as a challenge - I'm sure I remember thinking that
Tarrant was turning on the charm to Cally at one point - I'll try to
find the scene I'm thinking of.
>
>Jenna in Breakdown:
>
>> And she's very grumpy about being asked to 'prostitute' herself by
>> Blake ISTR.
>
>But she still does it. Hmmmm? Could that be construed as Blake using his own
>sex
>appeal effectively on Jenna?
Naw - Blake appeals to her nascent idealism, not to her glands.
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:27:07 +0000
From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
To: Julie Horner <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Allure, Power Games and Avon the sex beast
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In message <01be60e2$481bcf10$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet>, Julie
Horner <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com> writes
>Russ replying to J Horner:
>
>>> If he does flirt at all in this scene I think it is just to be
>polite.
>
>>He's never gone out of his way to observe the social niceties with
>>anyone before. Perhaps he was trying to make Soolin jealous :)
>>
><g>
>But he wanted to have Muller on his side so he might think it
>politically expedient to be "polite" to Mrs Muller.
I've rewatched the scenes in question now. I don't see much evidence
of attraction on Avon's part. He's somewhat disturbed by Vena's
reaction to Muller's death - after all he can empathise with what she's
feeling - and perhaps he's only disturbed *because* it dredges up his
own memories of Anna.
> At the same time
>it would hardly make a good impression if Muller came home
> to find himself cuckolded so I don't think there would be any attempted
>seduction going on. Avon is just trying to be sufficiently charming to
>keep Vena happy but certainly not enough to cause any embarassment.
>
Agreed. It may be that some of his amusement derives from seeing
some of himself in Vena. She's a survivor, using what skills she has to
achieve some small measure of independence while also being
dependant on another. Ring any bells? Not that I actually believe that,
but I could write it convincingly if I had to.
>
>
>>>Not interested? What about that look in "Trial" when Jenna tells him
>>>to "Suggest something".
>>
>>Umm. Remind me of the context.
>
>I think I mean "Trial". Blake has gone down to the surface and the
>others are wondering what to do. I can't remember what Avon says
>to Jenna but she replies "Suggest something". He gives her a
>brief and very over-acted look of delight, a sort of "Oh now if
>you really mean that ..." sort of look, oh heck I can't seem to describe
>it very well but you will know it when you see it.
I know the scene you mean now, but I can't remember the actual look.
Another one I'll have to rewatch.
--
Russ Massey
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:56:58 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Sally Manton wrote:
> Now we just have to come up with a logical (?) reason why the Supreme
> Commander didn't make them fix the blasted air-comditioning. Maybe she
> found it soothing? Maybe it put her in the right frame of mind for
> putting the Galaxy to Fire (and The Sword, of course?). Then we can all
> ignore it again.
It's actually music, but uses the same psychosensory compression system
that makes lengthy official reports look like a bunch of random rectangles
scrolling on a screen.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:52:04 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re:[B7L]Why Servalan was so disagreeable
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Sally said:
>Now we just have to come up with a logical (?) reason why the Supreme
>Commander didn't make them fix the blasted air-comditioning. Maybe she
>found it soothing? Maybe it put her in the right frame of mind for
>putting the Galaxy to Fire (and The Sword, of course?). Then we can all
>ignore it again.
It was an anti-Federation plot requiring far more subtlety and patience
than anything Blake ever dreamt up. The agent responsible got in to
Servalan's office one day when the light bulb blew disguised as a fourth
grade menial. He replaced the faulty bulb with a bulb that had a
special whiny gadget embedded in it. This was no ordinary whiny gadget
however, but one whose frequency and pitch had been specially
calculated to have a gradual deranging effect upon
the Supreme Commander. It would have been specially atuned to her
brain patterns such that she was unaware of the sound (though everyone
else probably came out saying "What the hell is that awful noise in
there?")
Given time she would have become so debilitated by the effects of this
planted bulb that she would have started suffering increasingly severe
symptons - migraines, coloured blobs in front of the eyes, nausea,
panic attacks etc. that she would have either been classified unfit
for service or retired of her own free will.
Of course, the same whiny devices would have been planted in the
offices of every high-ranking official in the Federation.
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:55:09 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Sally said:
<I get the impression that many fan-fiction readers deem *any* original
character with an active role in the plot a "Mary-Sue", and therefore
Eeeeevil.>
>Probably not if Avon then shoots her...and ENJOYS it.
Or what about if she was a close female relative, e.g. mother,
sister, daughter - would that still count as a Mary-Sue?
Julie
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 07:18:08 -0800
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>
To: "Blake's7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] PD and Avon
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Someone on the list conjectured that Paul Darrow didn't really understand
Avon. Sounds like the beginning of a very interesting new thread. What was
Avon _really_ like? How _should_ PD have played him differently?
Ann
abasart@dnai.com
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 09:49:16 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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As far as I'm concerned, the Flat Robin ought to be able to continue.
Jacqueline is in a non-writing mood, and I understand that. But I want
to keep it going, myself, even if I haven't been writing much lately.
Yes, Arkaroo, the influence of what you've read lately altered your
writing style sufficiently that I thought a new person had joined in
without warning. And Penny is right-- if I had realized it was one of
the original writers, I would have simply emailed you and Jacqueline off
list asking you if you could sort out which would be the 'official'
scene for the story.
I actually enjoyed both in their own way, but I don't offend as easily
as some, and believe me, your chapter was far more risque than the slash
story I refrained from doing because I was requeseted not to post it
here. Nonetheless, since there hasn't been much in the way of complaint,
we could let it stand.
Let's keep going, please?
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Date: 1 Mar 1999 08:15:14 -0800
From: "Ma.James" <ma@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zine help? was Re: Mary Sues
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>> I just read a lovely story in FORBIDDEN STAR TWO that is from Soolin's
>> viewpoint. "Cold Revolution" by Loulou Harris. It's an excellent story
>> and has some nice Avon/Soolin action. I've always thought they made
>> such a great couple.
>kat@welkin.apana.org.au
>Okay, so I'll revise that to "any *gen* stories". Not that I would
>have known, since I only read gen stories.
I apologize. I didn't understand that you were only discussing gen stories.
But this *is* an excellent story and has some nice interaction between Avon and
Soolin (and I don't mean just sex).
Candace
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:35:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption Con report
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Short version: a great con, many thanks to all involved.
Long and roughly chronological version...
Friday Afternoon: Rachel and I arrived about 5ish. Rachel's not a fan -
she was coming to stay at the hotel and go visit some old friends in
Canterbury while I did wierd scifi things. After (eventually) locating our
room we went to the bar and bumped into assorted reprobates from the list.
Neil remarked that he wouldn't have argued with me so much if he'd
realised how tall I was. I suspect it would take more than that to cramp
his style, though.
Friday evening: Several pints and a quick meal later, the opening
ceremony. The scavenger-hunt thing was a good ice-breaker, though it says
a lot about fandom that the hardest type of person to locate was the lager
drinker. I got 26 points for being 26: If I'd realised the context, I'd
have claimed to be 547. There followed a bar quiz (and more drink), then
off to...
Friday Night: ...The Space City party, hosted by Una and Alison. I'd like
to tell you more about this, but I'm afraid I was very, very drunk.
Saturday Morning: Mouth like a badger's jockstrap and eyes like pissholes
in the snow.
Saturday Afternoon: Some really good discussions. The hotel has a couple
of boardrooms, big enough for a couple of dozen people. These are the
locations for some lively and interesting meetings. I enjoy them all,
but particularly the one on whether or not "Animals" is the worst B7
story. We really must produce that ideal episode sometime, if we can find
a quarry with a gasworks in it. Then off for a cabaret rehearsal. This is
a technical rehearsal, and as such involves the performers sitting around
doing bugger all for a couple of hours, then spending a few seconds
standing on some marks. We repeatedly inform whoever is running the
rehearsal that we'll need a table on stage for our performance.
Saturday Evening: Some B5 movie is shown, but I'm too busy getting
stressed. I have no confidence that the table we need will be organised,
and there are a million other things that could go wrong. After the movie
there's a bit of a lull in the main hall while things are set up for the
masquerade. Matthew and I go direct to the stage crew with our furniture
requirements and they couldn't be more helpful, even giving us an
opportunity for a proper run-through. My stress levels decrease to merely
insane levels.
Saturday Night: The masquerade is great fun, with some really entertaining
costumes. Jason and the Cyberpunk are particularly fun. Then it's the
cabaret. We're first on, and to my pleasure and relief it all goes more or
less according to plan. Matthew, Una and Alison perform splendidly. I then
sit down, have the quickest pint in living memory and settle down for the
rest of the acts. The cabaret as a whole is of a very high standard - even
the filking, which I usually hate but Judith's solo and Steve, Jenni and
Fi's piece are top notch. I even have the honour of a dance with the
Supreme Commander. Finally, there's the disco. Loads of fun. The best
thing about fandom is its spirit of uninhibited exuberance, and that is
much in evidence.
Sunday Morning: Wisely, the organisers have scheduled nothing
totally unmissable for this morning. I wander around the dealer's room,
passing by the Dr Who vids (35 quid? Somebody is taking the piss.) but
picking up a copy of Chris Boucher's "Star Cops" novel (which is very
good, I'll post a wee review later).
Sunday Afternoon: A couple of discussions. I organise a small workshop on
dodgy science in B7 which is good fun with thought-provoking contributions
from all who join in. I even make an apology to Neil, but that's a matter
for another post. Then there's a discussion on Fantasy and SF, which turns
out to be a fascinating exploration, with everybody bringing in different
perspectives. I certainly found a lot of food for thought there, and I
think other people did as well.
Sunday Evening: Back home. Both Rachel and I have had a great weekend, and
it's hard to take in the fact that what is conventionally referred to as
real life has to begin again. Rachel in particular was somewhat
apprehensive about sharing a hotel with a bunch of freaks and wierdos, but
by now is a convert to fandom, describing you all as a great bunch of
really cool, fun people. So there you go.
Thanks to everyone who organised and helped out at a terrific con. Special
thanks to Judith for her assistance and advice before the con, and
to Steve, who helped me organise various last-minute things quickly and
without fuss.
I had a great time, I hope everyone else did too, and I look forward to
seeing you all again soon.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:38:06 +0100 (MET)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@pampus.gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list)
Subject: [B7L] Problem with Robin! :)
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Hi,
I would like to contribute to it but I'm still at 14 or 15!
I have a dictionary with me at all times just to read the stuff,
the good stuff takes even more ! ;)
Don't get me wrong, I like it but I don't think I could make such a
standard by 20 story as you have done.
Maybe we could make different catagories? like easy , med & hard? or
short and long?
I am working on something with time stuff and different sf series.
Bye!
Jeroen
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:54:28 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Cc: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Babylon XI v Blake's XI at Redemption
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Cricket newsflash - fuller report to follow when I've recovered from a good
weekend (thanks, everyone).
At the Drazi Home World, March 27, 28. Blake's XI won by 196 runs. Toss:
Babylon XI. Blake's XI 231 (Jenna Stannis 52, Soolin 55, Dayna Mellanby
32; Lyta Alexander four for 64, Michael Garibaldi three for 48) and 286
(Jenna Stannis 119, Dayna Mellanby 39, Cally 34; Susan Ivanova five for
159, Lyta Alexander three for 81); Babylon XI 210 (Londo Mollari 41, John
Sheridan 55, Lennier 39; Soolin five for 77, Dayna Mellanby three for 75)
and 111 (Jeffrey Sinclair 33; Soolin six for 60, Dayna Mellanby four for
51).
Woman of the Match: Jenna Stannis.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:56:38 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] Review: The Gilbert and Servalan Songbook
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The Gilbert and Servalan Song Book by Chris Blenkarn
Take over two dozen Gilbert and Sullivan tunes, mix them with the wicked humor
and rhyme of the demented author, and you get a series of filks that had me
choking on tea and laughing until tears came out of my eyes. The zine
includes filks for all seasons and about all of the crew. Highlights include
Blake's crew singing:
We've made it very clear
That we'd rather not be here
But he needs an expert crew
Then later Avon's crew:
His glare it is like ice
Doesn't like explaining twice
And he doesn't like that name Chesku
Meanwhile, we learn of Vila:
He's partial to a shot or two
Of Adrenaline and Soma
And prone to miss a rendezvous
While feigning deepest coma.
While "Three Very Youthful Rebels We" sing out:
Three youthful rebels lead from Xenon
On a wild goose chase by Kerr Avon
The songbook also includes the dramatic presentation of "The Pirates of Gauda
Prime" or The Cast is to Die (crossed out) The Die is Cast.
This is one of the most visually stunning zines I've ever seen. The front and
back covers are bright yellow and fully laminated. The zine is held together
with little double sets of circular wires. I don't know what that type of
binding is called, but it appears to be a superior type of spiral binding.
It's the large size British paper (I never remember the official name for
those paper sizes). Forty spiffily laid out pages.
Front and back covers and inside cartoon illustrations are by the author's son
Michael. The cartoons are a delight and it's hard to pick out favorites. The
angst addict in me loves the battered bunch in the holding cell (though I was
sorry not to see a battered Tarrant among the group ;-). Avon appears to be
offering his armpit for Vila to sniff or inspect in "Kerr Avon's Lament." And
I adore Tarrant's big gun in the "Three Little Rebels" illo. How cunning of
Tarrant to label his gun "super soaker." I'm sure that catches many a
Federation baddie off guard.
Price 5 pounds UK, 5.70 pounds Europe, 6.50 pounds or $11 cash USA, 6.80
pounds Australia.
Orders: Judith Proctor, 28 Diprose Rd, Corfe Mullen,Wimborne, Dorset, BH21 3QY
The songbook can also be purchased through Pat Fenech (Australia) and Maverick
Press or Linda Knights (USA). Information on those orders can be found on
Judith's web site: http://math.idbsu.edu/gas/html/opera_index.html
Carol Mc
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:56:40 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] Review: Solstice
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Faster than a speeding bullet, my copy of "Solstice," the sixth interview tape
from Sheelagh Wells, arrived in my mailbox today. I could scarcely believe it
since I just mailed the check to England on February 20.
The guests for Solstice are Gareth Thomas, Paul Darrow, Pennant (I wish they
had asked him how he got his name) Roberts and Mary Ridge. I'm a great
admirer of Mary and was so very pleased to see her listed for this tape. She
was every bit as entertaining as I expected, and I especially enjoy her story
about the difficulties of filming in chalk quarries on rainy days. Among
other things, the wet chalk mess didn't make them very popular at the hotel
where they were staying. <g> I cheered when Mary pointed out that the Scorpio
crew weren't necessarily dead in "Blake." They might have been only stunned.
Pennant Roberts had his own quarry story. They had to pull up plants (I
couldn't catch the name; maybe one of you British gardeners can tell me what
it is--it sounds like something I might want to plant) from one section of the
quarry during a shoot, because the plants were attracting butterflies, and
butterflies didn't seem to go with the alien planet look they were trying to
achieve.
The tape was dedicated to Vere Lorrimer, and included a number of Vere
anecdotes. Vere favored action, and he was known to cut away from long
speeches to shots of space ships flying by, etc. There's also an amusing
story of how "Hamlet" might have been changed if Vere was directing it.
Paul reported on how Steven Pacey liked to set up their door crashing and
gunfight scenes so that the two of them resembled space-age versions of
"Starsky and Hutch." And Gareth shared how "Blake" ended up with a pigtail.
The four participants (and Sheelagh's cat) are featured on the photo cover,
and all of them look absolutely splendid. I think Avon fans, in particular,
should find the photo to be very appealing.
Price: I'm not positive about this, but I think the UK price is 8.25 pounds.
$15-US price. US fans may pay by dollar check made out to Sheelagh J. Wells.
Orders: Sheelagh J. Wells, 20A New Road, Brentford, Middlesex TW8 0NX.
Carol Mc
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:52:24 -0700
From: Arkaroo <woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Slightly Soiled Robin
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Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> wrote:
> I actually enjoyed both in their own way, but I don't offend as easily
> as some, and believe me, your chapter was far more risque than the slash
I've got some good ideas with regards to this for the Flat Robin. The
Gods of Collaborative Fiction are going to make an appearance, have a
little internal commentary. Hee!
>
> Let's keep going, please?
Yes, lets. For the record, I was thinking of writing a chapter dealing
with the Bursar getting possessed by the Andromedan Purser. Ridcully et
al will hopefully appear; if anybody has any concerns or ideas,
pleeeeease tell me.
Arkaroo
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:06:36 -0700
From: Arkaroo <woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Problem with Robin! :)
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Jeroen J. Kwast wrote:
>
> I would like to contribute to it but I'm still at 14 or 15!
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like it but I don't think I could make such a
> standard by 20 story as you have done.
>
You could always write little tiny chapters -- I think that small
appendices to the large chapters could be very funny. Little cut-scenes
that tie things together, y'know?
Just an idea, if you want to participate.
TTFN - Arkaroo
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:48:46 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Penny's Pix
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Penny directed us to:
>http://members.tripod.com/~Space_Scum
Thank you, Penny, thank you! At last I have pictures of Jarriere to gaze
at!
Harriet
Jarriere's Always Discriminating Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:48:16 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Flat Robin #34 (Probably)
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woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca wrote:
>`Have you ever really... *looked* at your hands,
>man?' asked the first shape in the darkness, a
>chubby man in a tasteless naughahyde tunic.
Oh my god! You throw in a Sartre crossover! My mind is so boggled I'm
starting to feel slightly... nauseous?
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 06:40:30 -0000
From: "John C. Elliott" <herbie@tesco.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Redemption
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I would like to thank everyone involved with running the con for a
great weekend.
Now back home and now recovering from a fun packed weekend.
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mailto:herbie@tesco.net
Old age is preferable to the alternative.
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