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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 69
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Roche limit (was Too much caffeine)
Re: [B7L] Fannishness
RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
RE: [B7L] Roche limit (was Too much caffeine)
RE: [B7L] Fannishness
RE: [B7L] Fannishness
[B7L] Constructive Criticism (was re: Fannishness)
RE: [B7L] Fannishness
[B7L] Ladies from Hades
[B7L] Flat Robin and zines
Re: [B7L] Flat Robin and zines
RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
[B7L] Plotting
RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Plotting
RE: [B7L] Flat Robin chapter... 25?
Re: [B7L] Flat Robin and zines
RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Plotting
RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Plotting
Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
RE: [B7L] Plotting
[B7L] Re: Blake's XI v Babylon XI cricket match at Redemption
RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Flat Robin chapter... 25?
Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
Re: [B7L] Too much caffeine
Re: [B7L] Avon's background-- speculation
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:38:14 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Roche limit (was Too much caffeine)
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
>. Always assuming that the teleport (a) projects
> its subjects in a straight line, and (b) is blocked by intervening matter.
> Neither is a necessary assumption. In fact, (b) would seem to be wiped out
> by Project Avalon, where the crew teleport to a destination deep
> underground.
>
> Yeah, alright, I know I'm rambling...
>
> Neil
Not to mention the many times they teleported out of buildings.
A Very SHort Fanfic Script (that goes outside canon, so Neil should be
pleased)
Jenna: "Oh dear. I've just splattered all the men into a wall. Cally,
looks like we own the Liberator now."
Cally: "Serves them right, always giving us teleport duty. Now we can
fight not only for freedom, but the status of women."
Jenna: "Should we invite Servalan to join us?"
Cally: "We could talk to her about it. You might say we're the first
rebellion that isn't to proud to stop and ask for direction."
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:52:18 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fannishness
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>
> It's one way of seeing how they _could_ be. Helen and Penny have both
> commented on 'hearing' the characters speak their lines to the writer. This
> is true for me too. But the Dayna and Tarrant that _I_ heard when writing
> that story are not necessarily the ones that you might ever hear. That
> doesn't make either of us 'wrong' (or 'right', for that matter).
>
Not lately, I haven't said that. I think Jacqueline did. I do, however
concur. I always hear voices of characters, even the characters I create
in my original fiction.
BTW, the only fanfic for Blake's 7 I've ever completed combined PGP with
a combination of the old out-wit-the-devil-in-a-deal storyline, and
Dante's Inferno. It was called Hellword and described as a Blake's 7
fantasy, to distinguish it from anything remotely canonical. All of the
characters were very much in character (forgive me, I used A Terrible
Aspect for background on Avon) and yet the scenario was completely
unlike anything remotely attached to the series or my own ideas about
what may happen after death that it would have been a Deadly Sin not to
forewarn the readers. :^)
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:46:52 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
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Penny asked:
> Are any of my fellow contributors more hep to the subtleties
> of this scene than I am?
>
Not me, but Judith might know more about it. Judith, would putting this
stuff in a zine get anyone (especially us) in trouble because of copyright
and such?
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:03:03 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Roche limit (was Too much caffeine)
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Avona wrought the following fannish piece:
> Jenna: "Oh dear. I've just splattered all the men into a wall. Cally,
> looks like we own the Liberator now."
> Cally: "Serves them right, always giving us teleport duty. Now we can
> fight not only for freedom, but the status of women."
> Jenna: "Should we invite Servalan to join us?"
> Cally: "We could talk to her about it. You might say we're the first
> rebellion that isn't to proud to stop and ask for direction."
>
LOL! Very explorative!
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:20:56 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Fannishness
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Neil explained:
> A typical feature of such fanfic is the way the writer strives to show how
> s/he can 'capture' the characters by having them speak and act firmly
> in-character - so in-character, in fact, that they are reduced to
> caricatures (often labelled as the Burly Rebel Leader, Sneering Tech,
> Little Thief etc).
>
This may be a sign of inexperience, rather than an unwillingness to explore.
Instead of showing off how well they captured the characters, those writers
might simply not know how to do better than pick up the first thing they
(and I) think of when trying to describe a certain character and going with
that.
<snipping bits about canon, Neil thinks it should:>
> answer the following questions:
> (a) who is the President of the Terran Federation in the 1st/2nd seasons?
> (b)how far is a spacial?
> (c)in what year (New Calendar) did Avon kill Blake on Gauda Prime?
> (d)is beer sold in litres or pints, and how many do you get for one credit
> (or how many credits for one)?
> (e)what is the most popular spectator sport with Federation citizens, and
> which team has the most supporters?
>
I'll bet you feel questions (d) and (e) are the most important :-)
> But then if it didn't, we wouldn't have half so much to argue about, would
> we?
>
Perish the thought, Neil with nothing to argue about. We'd probably be
reading about the resulting explosion in the newspapers <g>.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:43:31 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Fannishness
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Penny declared:
> >My writing style often leaves much to be desired and constructive
> >criticism would have been appreciated there.
>
> There's such a fine and wriggly line between constructive criticism and
> disheartening insult, though, depending both upon the venue and the
> individual.
>
I have been told I don't take criticism well. Can't imagine why, I've hardly
ever put anyone in the hospital because of it.
< clears throat> Actually, the best thing to do is just ignore me when I'm
sulking again.
> Probably people didn't want to stifle your creativity by
> telling you you spelled "the" incorrectly or what have you -- or
> *perhaps*, Jacqueline, what with you being my number one Acolyte and
> all, they are as terrified of you as they are of me.
>
I feel humbled by the thought of your eternal glory reflecting upon me.
> All my fancy-shmancy schoolin', if it got me nothing else, at least inured
> me forever to the pain of having every ill-thought utterance of mine put
> under a thousand-watt spotlight, pelted with rotten eggs, and summarily
> executed by a jury of my mouth-breathing peers. But some people take that
> sort of thing amiss, and believe it or not I don't *want* to generate
> ill-will.
>
The only schooling I've had after the dutch equivalent of highschool was in
business school, where I was taught a bit about economics and equally
unliterary matters. The only shakespeare I know is one sonnet and Hamlet,
because I saw the movie. As Alicia Silverstone so aptly put it: I know my
Mel Gibson. (My favourite pick-up line: "Get thee to a nunnery". It had me
in hysterics for half the day).
Anyway, besides rambling along, the point I'm trying to make is that I'm
willing to learn. But this is only possible if people do go through my
stories and point out where and how they could be improved. I'm too thick to
get it when general comments are made: it doesn't tell me how to apply this
to improve what I've been doing. So please tell me, and ignore the
occasional sulk.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:49:29 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Constructive Criticism (was re: Fannishness)
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Jacqueline said:
>The only schooling I've had after the dutch equivalent of highschool
was in
>business school, where I was taught a bit about economics and equally
>unliterary matters.
I didn't mean to imply I was an English (ie Literature) major -- the
only English I took was the prerequisite Freshman course. I've
definitely read more Pratchett than Shakespeare. And more comic books
than all (other?) literary genres put together, I'm sure. What I *meant*
was that my post-secondary education had hardened my heart to
Constructive Criticism, a.k.a. People Who Are Obviously Stupider Than
You Trying To Prove That You Are Stupider Than Them.
>Anyway, besides rambling along, the point I'm trying to make is that
>I'm willing to learn. But this is only possible if people do go
>through my stories and point out where and how they could be
>improved. I'm too thick to get it when general comments are made:
>it doesn't tell me how to apply this to improve what I've been doing.
>So please tell me, and ignore the occasional sulk.
Same goes for me. Criticise me, baby, you know I want you to! Except of
course instead of the occasional sulk you'll have my undying wrath to
contend with.
--Penny "I Know Where You Live" Dreadful
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:00:39 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
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Neil said:
>> (d)is beer sold in litres or pints, and how many do you get for one
credit
And Jacqueline replied:
>I'll bet you feel questions (d) and (e) are the most important :-)
Question (d) is the only one of any import whatsoever, and my answer is:
Fascist Regime or no, I'm all for any future where beer's sold by the
litre.
So, ten credits could get you an inexpensive prostitute *or* ten litres
of beer? O, brave new world!
--Penny Bukowski
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:29:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Ladies from Hades
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On Sat 20 Feb, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> A Very SHort Fanfic Script (that goes outside canon, so Neil should be
> pleased)
>
> Jenna: "Oh dear. I've just splattered all the men into a wall. Cally,
> looks like we own the Liberator now."
> Cally: "Serves them right, always giving us teleport duty. Now we can
> fight not only for freedom, but the status of women."
> Jenna: "Should we invite Servalan to join us?"
> Cally: "We could talk to her about it. You might say we're the first
> rebellion that isn't to proud to stop and ask for direction."
Sounds like the perfect excuse to repost a favourite filk of mine. (You won't
know the tune, but I have been know to sing it on request and it is on the
infamous filk tape)
Ladies from Hades by Judith Proctor, tune: Eileen O'Grady
I was a free trader, a daring, flash raider,
I'd out-fly the whole FSA,
I'd fly across borders, defy all their orders,
In fact, have a wonderful day.
I can fight in high heels and I'm death upon wheels,
I'll kick any man when he's down,
But look at me later ™ teleport operator,
I tell you, it's getting me down.
CHORUS
Come, come, come and fly with us, let's have a brand new show!
Rewrite the script, change every bit,
Let's take the money and damn revolution!
Go on the lam, join Servalan, and we'll fly out to the stars,
We're Ladies from Hades; we don't take no maybes',
So just come along and the world will be ours!
I can talk to your mind, but it's really unkind,
For I get taken over each week,
I may be an alien and sesquipedalian,
But don't treat me like I'm a freak.
On Saurian Major, an oath I had made there,
To kill until I was killed,
But on Liberator, I'm just the first aider,
I think I've been badly deskilled.
I'm a weapons designer, I make gun and primer,
I'm top of them all in my field,
In hand to hand combat, I'll show any man that ™
I'll kill him, if he doesn't yield.
But of late they've been changing, the fights they're arranging,
For if a man's macho and tough ™
They'll let him start winning. If that's a beginning,
I'm leaving, for I've had enough.
I'm fast and I'm smart, I'm the best at my art,
And I'll beat any man on the draw,
I can hit any target. If you wager on it,
I'll double my previous score.
So far I'm well written, but what if I'm stricken,
With the malaise that's hit girls before?
If I must play Cupid, and start to act stupid,
I'd better walk out of the door!
--
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:37:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Flat Robin and zines
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On Sat 20 Feb, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> > More than that, but you've already put together quite enough to interest
> > a zine editor. Are you going to submit this to a zine?
> > --
> > Julia Jones
>
> I would not presume to submit it, as I am only one of several authors
> and therefore have no claim to the story. (Indeed, my contributions have
> probably been the least funny)-- However, if the authors, as a group,
> would be interested in publication, well, I have _never_ objected to
> getting my scribblings to the largest amount of public available. Anyone
> know any 'zine that would want this Ter*ry/Pterry universe hybrid?
I imagine that will depend on whether it all comes to a logical end or not.
The tricky thing with Round Robins is that they can generate sub-plots faster
than people tie up loose ends.
If it all comes together then I'd say it's pretty well an absolute cert that
someone would want to publish it.
Editing Round Robins can be a nightmare (I know, I've done it), but in this
case, the results might well be worth it.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:52:06 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>I imagine that will depend on whether it all comes to a logical end or
not.
I should hope not! Real Discworld novels never do.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:06:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
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On Sat 20 Feb, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
> Penny asked:
>
> > Are any of my fellow contributors more hep to the subtleties
> > of this scene than I am?
> >
> Not me, but Judith might know more about it. Judith, would putting this
> stuff in a zine get anyone (especially us) in trouble because of copyright
> and such?
I'd be inclined to ask Terry Pratchett. Julia reckoned he probably wouldn't
mind if he was asked. What he would not want is for it to be anywhere where he
could see it, such as on the web or a newsgroup.
He's just had leave alt.fan.pratchett because people kept posting story ideas
there in spite of being requested not to. He dosn't mind people having ideas,
but if he ever worked something similar into a story (whether he'd though of it
independently or not) there's the risk of him getting hit bu a nuisance suit.
I'd finish the story before worrying too much though. I've been really enjoying
it. The characters are very recognisable and the ones that are new/unknown to
me are also fun. Some of the dialogue is classic. I do wish somebody would
write a bit more for Blake though. (not me, I've got a convention to run!)
It might be an idea for the people writing most of the segments to have a word
with one another off list and decide where/how they'd like the story to end.
Then everyone can continue working on the story, but add in bits that will tweak
the story in the right direction.
eg. Is everyone going to eventually go home? If so, one writer needs to get
Liberator out of the bog.
Is Hex going to produce something important to the story? Will it end up
working in some way with Orac or Avon? if it does, it ought to be something
important to the overal story line.
What is the overall story line? You haven't really got one yet and I think it's
about time for at least a very loose connecting thread. Even if the only plot
is 'how do we get off this planet?' then this should be borne in mind.
Actually, if anyone is interested, I think an old blurb of mine on surviviing
round robins is on the fan fic resources page (Can't recall the address, but
it's linked from mine.)
This has a better chance of surviving to the end than most round robins, because
there are only a few people writing for it. That tends to give continuity and
direction.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:05:52 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Judith said:
>I do wish somebody would write a bit more for Blake though.
I would if I could but I just can't get into the dude's headspace.
>It might be an idea for the people writing most of the segments to
>have a word with one another off list and decide where/how they'd
>like the story to end. Then everyone can continue working on the
>story, but add in bits that will tweak the story in the right
>direction.
It never occurred to me that was how it was supposed to work. I mean I
think Arkaroo and I have a vague consensus as to what *we* think the
plot-line should be, but I assumed we had to be prepared to roll with
the punches.
>What is the overall story line? You haven't really got one yet and
>I think it's about time for at least a very loose connecting thread.
>Even if the only plot is 'how do we get off this planet?' then this
>should be borne in mind.
I thought we were basically adhering to that premise. Everyone?
Thoughts?
--Penny "Duuuuude..." Dreadful
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:26:51 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Judith explained:
> I'd be inclined to ask Terry Pratchett. Julia reckoned he probably
> wouldn't
> mind if he was asked.
>
I wouldn't know how to contact Terry Pratchett if my life depended on it.
Just in case this also goes for Avona and Penny: how do we do this?
> He's just had leave alt.fan.pratchett because people kept posting story
> ideas
> there in spite of being requested not to. He dosn't mind people having
> ideas,
> but if he ever worked something similar into a story (whether he'd though
> of it
> independently or not) there's the risk of him getting hit bu a nuisance
> suit.
>
If he ever used an idea of mine for one of his stories, I'd probably be
celebrating all week. He's the best writer ever. I certainly wouldn't sue
him. Would it help if all three of us promised never to do that to him if we
thought we recognised anything of this flat robin in his books? It's not as
if we'd ever be able to prove anything: having Hex write "Danger, Will
Robinson" and Ponder Stibbons' reaction to that are exactly the kind of
thing he might have thought of. The same thing goes for most of the funnier
stuff we made up.
> I do wish somebody would write a bit more for Blake though. (not me, I've
> got a convention to run!)
>
I would have been perfectly happy to leave him under the tender but firm
care of my favourite witches until the end of the story, and then have him
return (as someone else suggested) to a liberator that is already back in
orbit. Having him assume that all of the others had spent the intervening
time doing nothing would be very much in character for him. But if you don't
like that idea, you'll just have to write something yourself after the
convention is over. I'd estimate that the Flat Robin will still be going by
then.
> It might be an idea for the people writing most of the segments to have a
> word with one another off list and decide where/how they'd like the story
> to end. Then everyone can continue working on the story, but add in bits
> that will tweak the story in the right direction.
>
That's for Penny and Avona. I've been having enough trouble putting stuff in
without worrying about direction.
> eg. Is everyone going to eventually go home? If so, one writer needs to
> get
> Liberator out of the bog.
>
This story started with the Liberator on its way to Star One. I suppose that
means that at the end of the story it will continue on its way there.
> Is Hex going to produce something important to the story? Will it end up
> working in some way with Orac or Avon? if it does, it ought to be
> something
> important to the overal story line.
>
Maybe Hex won't be producing anything important, but you can be sure that it
will be funny.
> What is the overall story line? You haven't really got one yet and I
> think it's
> about time for at least a very loose connecting thread. Even if the only
> plot
> is 'how do we get off this planet?' then this should be borne in mind.
>
I thought Avon and Jenna had been working on this. With Cally and Avon now
both heading for the Unseen University, this is probably going to succeed
any time now (but not too soon, because it would pretty much be the end of
the story)
> This has a better chance of surviving to the end than most round robins,
> because
> there are only a few people writing for it. That tends to give continuity
> and
> direction.
>
It also means that when one or two writers can't think of anything to add,
the story stagnates. It's a good thing we have Penny working on this, so
that this is not a real danger here :-).
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:31:11 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Ever so haughtily, I said:
>I think Arkaroo and I have a vague consensus as to what *we* think
>the plot-line should be...
And immediately after posting that I thought, "My, that sounds
presumptious, considering *I* had nothing to do with the original idea,
or the first ten installments." I hereby withdraw all claim to
plot-control. Avona and Jacqueline have precedence in that regard,
followed by Arkaroo, and lastly me. Sorry, fellow Flatties.
--Penny "Al Haig" Dreadful
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:38:40 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Flat Robin chapter... 25?
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Avona said:
I would not presume to submit it, as I am only one of several authors
> and therefore have no claim to the story. (Indeed, my contributions have
> probably been the least funny)-- However, if the authors, as a group,
> would be interested in publication, well, I have _never_ objected to
> getting my scribblings to the largest amount of public available. Anyone
> know any 'zine that would want this Ter*ry/Pterry universe hybrid?
>
You have certainly not been the least funny, and since you're the one who
started this whole thing (idea and first contribution), I'd say you have
more of a claim on this story than any of us. But in case it's needed: I
don't mind seeing my scribblings on paper, either (after some really heavy
editing). That leaves Penny. And since she wrote at least three quarters of
this thing, I'd say her permission is definately needed.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:03:48 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Flat Robin and zines
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On Sat 20 Feb, Penny Dreadful wrote:
> >I imagine that will depend on whether it all comes to a logical end or
> not.
>
> I should hope not! Real Discworld novels never do.
Sorry, should have said a conclusion. All Discworld novels have a conclusion,
even though it may be a delightfully illogical one.
Judith
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:38:54 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Jacqueline said:
>I wouldn't know how to contact Terry Pratchett if my life depended on
it.
>Just in case this also goes for Avona and Penny: how do we do this?
You light three candles and stand in front of a mirror in a darkened
room and chant "I believe in Terry Pratchett."
>That's for Penny and Avona.
And Arkaroo! You're going to give the li'l fella an inferiority complex
if you keep leaving him out of the equation. Or do you still figure he's
me?
--Penny "Eve Black" Dreadful
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:16:47 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Plotting
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Penny Dreadful wrote:
>
> Judith said:
>
> >I do wish somebody would write a bit more for Blake though.
>
> I would if I could but I just can't get into the dude's headspace.
Similar problem for me, though. But I figured having Nanny bringing him
and Travis together would give us good reason to work with Blake, and
where there's enough reason to, we can write behavior if not internal
processing. I wonder if it was his very inscrutabiliy that made it so
hard for the Federation to predict and prevent his moves against them?
>
> >What is the overall story line? You haven't really got one yet and
> >I think it's about time for at least a very loose connecting thread.
> >Even if the only plot is 'how do we get off this planet?' then this
> >should be borne in mind.
>
> I thought we were basically adhering to that premise. Everyone?
> Thoughts?
That's what I thought, too. I mean, after they got stranded there. And
everyone's going to want to get a working ship, and while I expect Blake
and crew to get the Liberator back, I can picture the Andromendans
making off with Krantor's hubcap if they don't get stuffed into casings
and sold by CMOT Dibbler.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:56:34 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Penny exclaimed:
> And Arkaroo! You're going to give the li'l fella an inferiority complex
> if you keep leaving him out of the equation. Or do you still figure he's
> me?
>
Actually, I thought he was your evil twin. Or your good twin, in case you
want to be the evil one.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:35:59 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Plotting
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Penny Dreadful wrote:
>
> Ever so haughtily, I said:
>
> >I think Arkaroo and I have a vague consensus as to what *we* think
> >the plot-line should be...
>
> And immediately after posting that I thought, "My, that sounds
> presumptious, considering *I* had nothing to do with the original idea,
> or the first ten installments." I hereby withdraw all claim to
> plot-control. Avona and Jacqueline have precedence in that regard,
> followed by Arkaroo, and lastly me. Sorry, fellow Flatties.
>
Piffle! I read your statement to mean, "Arkaroo and I have been
consulting and have an idea where we want to go with this, but not
having consulted the others yet, I don't presume to speak for them."
Humble, rather than haughty.
Speaking for myself, I was glad to see that you did present us with a
problem that would need resolving (i.e. a plotline). I'm not too good
with plot ideas, being more of a character-driven writer. When others
give me plots, I sigh gratefully and begin to feel that there _is_ hope
that the straw of my mad idea will be turned into Glod.
--Avona
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:39:29 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Penny Dreadful wrote:
>
> Jacqueline said:
>
> >I wouldn't know how to contact Terry Pratchett if my life depended on
> it.
> >Just in case this also goes for Avona and Penny: how do we do this?
>
> You light three candles and stand in front of a mirror in a darkened
> room and chant "I believe in Terry Pratchett."
WHo of course, appears _outside_ the magic octogram and asks if we
really wanted him, why don't we use paper and a stamp like everyone
else. Then looks us over and asks which one's the mother, which one's
the maiden, and which one's the crone. I'll take dibs on crone.
--Avona, the 29 year old crone.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:19:49 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Plotting
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> Ever so haughtily, I said:
>
> >I think Arkaroo and I have a vague consensus as to what *we* think
> >the plot-line should be...
>
> And immediately after posting that I thought, "My, that sounds
> presumptious, considering *I* had nothing to do with the original idea,
> or the first ten installments." I hereby withdraw all claim to
> plot-control. Avona and Jacqueline have precedence in that regard,
> followed by Arkaroo, and lastly me. Sorry, fellow Flatties.
>
No apologies necessary, as you did contribute most of it. But do please let
us in on it, so we can tell you exactly what we don't like about it :-).
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:38:54 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake's XI v Babylon XI cricket match at Redemption
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Carol asked:
>Dare I hope we'll have another wonderful written report of the match?
Well, that's probably up to Chris...
>(on his mother's side) tall, thin, curly-haired Sir Angus Fraser
Hey, it was only an MBE... or do you have secret access to future
announcements?
>I heard rumors he was hitting the banquet circuit with
>a tad too much enthusiasm during the off season.
If Tuffers stuck to banquets, he'd probably be in the team still.
>I hope this is Sheridan when he wasn't sporting face fuzz.
I certainly hope it's with. The beard improved him no end.
>Do they allow face fuzz on cricket grounds?
Did you not see any pictures of W. G. Grace when you were at Lord's?
Harriet
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 21:42:19 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: [B7L] Zine Scene
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Avona said:
> > You light three candles and stand in front of a mirror in a darkened
> > room and chant "I believe in Terry Pratchett."
>
> WHo of course, appears _outside_ the magic octogram and asks if we
> really wanted him, why don't we use paper and a stamp like everyone
> else. Then looks us over and asks which one's the mother, which one's
> the maiden, and which one's the crone. I'll take dibs on crone.
>
> --Avona, the 29 year old crone.
>
You're not calling me a mother, are you? I'm 31 years old (32 in less than
two months), and unless I'm very much mistaken about Penny, that makes me
the oldest member of this bunch.
Jacqueline
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:34:19 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
>
> Avona said:
>
> > > You light three candles and stand in front of a mirror in a darkened
> > > room and chant "I believe in Terry Pratchett."
> >
> > WHo of course, appears _outside_ the magic octogram and asks if we
> > really wanted him, why don't we use paper and a stamp like everyone
> > else. Then looks us over and asks which one's the mother, which one's
> > the maiden, and which one's the crone. I'll take dibs on crone.
> >
> > --Avona, the 29 year old crone.
> >
> You're not calling me a mother, are you? I'm 31 years old (32 in less than
> two months), and unless I'm very much mistaken about Penny, that makes me
> the oldest member of this bunch.
I had a vague notion she had children. Alright, but I've been married 10
years. I guess since my cat gives me mother's day cards, I can be the
one in the middle. But let it be noted, a mother to _cats only_!
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:07:35 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Flat Robin chapter... 25?
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In message <36CE1861.191F@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes
>I would not presume to submit it, as I am only one of several authors
>and therefore have no claim to the story.
Modern Eglish does not distinguish between the singular and plural of
"you" <sigh> :-)
> (Indeed, my contributions have
>probably been the least funny)-- However, if the authors, as a group,
>would be interested in publication, well, I have _never_ objected to
>getting my scribblings to the largest amount of public available. Anyone
>know any 'zine that would want this Ter*ry/Pterry universe hybrid?
It's probably getting to the stage where it would qualify as a mini-zine
on its own... Don't know about which zines, but it does need to be
edited by someone familar with both canons - if you submit it to a zine
where the editor hasn't read much Discworld, you'll need to get someone
else to thoroughly beta it first.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:17:59 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
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In message <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F10FB30@NL-ARN-MAIL01>,
Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl> writes
>I wouldn't know how to contact Terry Pratchett if my life depended on it.
>Just in case this also goes for Avona and Penny: how do we do this?
I'll do it if you like. I'm not one of the most vocal members of
alt.fan.pratchett, but I post there often enough to be recognised as not
taking the piss. Now, where did I leave his email address?
Sadly, the day I lectured on not cross-posting the Flat Robin to afp was
the day before The Man announced he had to leave the group, on account
of people would keep posting story ideas where nasty people might later
accuse him of nicking them. He's still merrily chatting in
alt.book.pratchett and the Tombraider newsgroup, though. It's a treat
reading his posts - if you can't get enough of the books, subscribe to
one of the newsgroups he frequents :-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:57:49 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
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In message <39DCDDFD014ED21185C300104BB3F99F10FB2C@NL-ARN-MAIL01>,
Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl> writes
>Penny asked:
>
>> Are any of my fellow contributors more hep to the subtleties
>> of this scene than I am?
>>
>Not me, but Judith might know more about it. Judith, would putting this
>stuff in a zine get anyone (especially us) in trouble because of copyright
>and such?
>
B7 zine publishers have been merrily ignoring the copyright issue for
years, as have zine publishers in other fandoms. HOWEVER:
Terry Pratchett makes his living from writing fiction. Fanfic is too
close to what he does for it to be considered polite not to ask him
first in a situation where it could be misconstrued (ie charging people
money for it). He's usually pretty relaxed about fan activities, as long
as you ask first and aren't making a profit out of it. I'd drop him a
note saying that you want to put a cross-over in a fanzine, and if he
says no, don't do it.
If the Flat Robin finishes as a coherent story, it would certainly be
worth submitting to a zine. I'd be willing to email Pterry and ask
permission.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:01:42 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Scene
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On Fri, Feb 19, 1999 at 02:22:41PM -0800, Penny Dreadful wrote:
> Julia said:
>
> >Are you going to submit this to a zine?
>
> I am completely in the dark about this whole zine thing. As I believe I
> may have said before the word "zine" is associated in my head with punk
> rock in the mid-eighties and a whole lot of acrimony (bit of a tautology
> I guess). Are any of my fellow contributors more hep to the subtleties
> of this scene than I am?
Well, I believe there are at least three zine editors on this List -
Judith Proctor, Annie Wortham, and me. At the moment, Judith is
caught up with Redemption, and I am banging my head against Issue 6 of
Refractions (trying to write a story for it, actually).
And, speaking with my zine editor's hat on, I never consider something
for submission until it is *finished*.
Apart from that, what did you want to know? What a zine actually
*is*?
A fanzine (zine) is an amateur magazine produced by fans. This
definition, of course, embraces rock zines, SF Lit zines, perzines,
newszines, fictionzines, letterzines and so on.
However, in *this* context, the salient meaning of "zine" is: an
amateur magazine produced by fans, containing original fiction based
on the universes defined by (SF) TV shows, or, more particularly,
based on Blake's 7.
The zine that I edit is a mixed Media SF zine, that is, I accept
stories that aren't just Blake's 7 stories, but anything based on an
SF TV show. (With the exception of Trek, cuz there's tons of Trek
stuff)
Judith Proctor edits Blake's 7 zines, so anything sent to her needs to
be Blake's 7 (or Blake's 7 crossed over with something else, such as,
in this case, Discworld.). Annie Wortham does Blake's 7 zines as
well, though I believe she's forayed into other things like
Highlander too. But in this case, the Blake's 7 ones are the salient
ones.
If one contributes to a zine, one gets a free copy of the zine in which
one's work appears. This is subject to the size of the work relative
to the size of the zine - if your contribution is too small, you may
simply get a discount on the zine, instead of a free copy.
Does that answer your question?
Kathryn Andersen
(ye Editor of Refractions)
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:45:00 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>Does that answer your question?
>
>Kathryn Andersen
>(ye Editor of Refractions)
Yes. Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:00:15 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
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Avona said:
>I'll take dibs on crone.
Jacqueline said:
>> You're not calling me a mother, are you?
Well, all right, I'll be mother this time, but frankly I'd prefer to
play Temple Prostitute in future.
--Penny, The Nine Credit Touch
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:13:02 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Too much caffeine
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> In a message dated 2/16/99 9:48:25 AM Mountain Standard Time,
> ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk writes:
>
> << It's especially good on stellar end-states: all the stuff about
> white dwarfs, black holes and neutron stars is pretty sound. >>
>On Wed, Feb 17, 1999 at 12:34:02AM -0500, Pherber@aol.com wrote:
> <<Yeah, well, up until they fly through the black holes.........<grin>>>
In a message dated 2/17/99 1:54:49 AM Mountain Standard Time,
kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes:
<< But the "black hole" in Dawn of the Gods wasn't a black hole anyway -
it was an artificial gravity generator. >>
True, but the one in Breakdown wasn't artificial, and they flew through *it*.
Maybe the secret is in the application of silly special effects? Or maybe
someone had just gotten a REALLY BIG blow dryer and wanted to try it out?
Nina
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:13:01 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's background-- speculation
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In a message dated 2/17/99 12:00:32 PM Mountain Standard Time,
julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk writes:
<< Certainly the Justice Department staff aren't drugged.
<snip>
The assorted extras wandering around the corridors in a daze are
certainly drugged - up to the eyeballs, by the look of them :-) >>
I've always thought it likely that the level of drugging would be proportional
to grade level. While it might be useful to keep the laborer classes muddled
and subservient, it doesn't seem like it would be feasible to run the society
overall if the higher grades weren't clear-headed enough to perform their
jobs. Blake, being used as an object lesson to the upper-class population,
was undoubtedly kept far more heavily (or at least more selectively) drugged
than the average Alpha, although still less so than, say, a Gamma or Delta.
Motivation of the Alpha and Beta grades could be accomplished more through
appealing to their 'enlightened self-interest' than threats and suppression.
Although in Avon's case, it certainly seems that he didn't find what they were
offering him to be sufficient...
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