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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 5
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] The Liberator
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Homophobia
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Vila
Re: [B7L] Net address to pictures of the good ship
Re: [B7L] Vila
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Free time again
[B7L] Redemption
Re: [B7L] Homophobia
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Free time again (getting longer)
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Free time again
Re: [B7L] Free time again (getting longer)
Re: [B7L] Homophobia
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:08:56 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
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> From: Paul Whalley <PAWhalley@serpiente.freeserve.co.uk>
> Can anyone give me any background on the Liberator. I have heard it
referred
> to as the most powerful ship in the Galaxy. Is this true?
Uncertain - it's a big galaxy
> - Who designed and built it?
The System, the computer brain that controlled Spaceworld
> - Who did it belong to before Blake and the crew occupied it?
The Altas - the chosen brainwashed servants of the System.
> - Has it ever tried to be reclaimed by it's previous owners?
Yes, it was reclaimed in the episode Redemption (season 2 opener), at which
point Orac destroyed Spaceworld, the System, and a sister ship.
> - Are there any Liberator sister ships?
There was until Orac caused it's missiles to explode before launch in
Redemption
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:18:57 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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One of these days, all the Floydians will engage their interstellar
overdrive, set the controls for the heart of the sun, and take Arnold Layne
to see Emily play with Corporal Klegg at the great gig in the sky, and
hopefully they'll all get so comfortably numb they won't to come back.
Can't we talk about a decent band for a change? Like Motorhead?
Neil
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:51:31 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Dunne (Martin Lydon) wrote:
>Homophobia? You're going to have to help me with this!
>What elements of Homophobia can be detected in Robert Holme's four B7
scripts?
>(Killer, Gambit, Traitor and Orbit)
>Martin
>
Well, maybe it's just my (mis)perception, but I think we can safely read a
homosexual dimension in the case of Krantor/Toise and Egrorian/Pinder. Both
Krantor and Egrorian were ruthless egomaniacs, unambiguously presented as
villains. Toise and Pinder were, in their turn, effete and ineffectual
rentboys. Leitz - another villain - might also be taken into consideration.
Travis referred to Jarriere as looking like a powder puff (ie; poof). I
can't recall anything in Killer. The examples in B7 (and I recall a few
others in Dr Who) do indicate a downer on homosexuality on Holmes' part,
though he never made it explicitly clear in his scripts and seemed to be
trying to cover his tracks in some cases (eg; Egrorian's worship of
Servalan). But then no one ever said outright that Jules and Sandy were
gay. (Speaking of whom, I went for ages thinking that Krantor was played by
Hugh Paddick until I checked the cast list.)
Neil
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:10:07 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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Neil said: >Can't we talk about a decent band for a change? Like
>Motorhead?
I don't know. <smile> Do you think any particular B7 character would
have liked Motorhead?
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:14:20 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
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Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
> As for good Vila episodes, he has some good moments in "Seek-Locate-Destroy"
> and "Terminal." I also recommend "Gambit" and "Orbit." We can see some of
> his darker side in "Spacefall," "Children of Auron," and "Gold." We can see
> some of his weaknesses in "Hostage" and "Shadow."
I most enjoy Vila's "performance" side, as shown in "Sarcophagus" (magic
tricks) and "Ultraworld" (riddles).
Plus "Keeper" where he puts on a wonderful performance as the King's
royal Fool. Keeper is a fine showcase for Jenna, as well; she delivers a
hilarious tongue-in-cheek role as consort to the lovelorn barbarian.
Pat P
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 04:01:21 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Net address to pictures of the good ship
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Re http://mateengreenway.simplenet.com/
This site well deserves a visit. Not all the pics work; it depends on how
well the foreground and background blend stylistically, I think. Some of
the B7 images aren't too hot (eg the London), but the one of Liberator
approaching Earth is dead wicked. And some of the Star Wars stuff is truly
awesome. And conveniently 800x600 so ready made for sad wallpaper
collectors (like me...)
Full marks to Jason for making this site known.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:15:54 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila
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The thing that struck me most about Vila, watching the series on video, is
how his character in the first episode is very different from everything
that followed. In 'The Way Back' he comes across as distinctly sly,
self-confident, possibly very dangerous. The cowardly comic hedonist image
began to emerge very soon after, from 'Spacefall', and the sinister Vila of
the first episode swiftly disappeared. A pity, IMO, because this darker
persona would have fitted in better with the overall tone of the series. He
could have been allowed to develop a more serious side which his actual
portrayal didn't really allow for. People like to cite him as 'everyman',
but he's really more 'every kid' (which makes me wonder about people who
claim him as their favourite character).
Vila, as portrayed, is a supposedly adult character denied the adult
responsibilities and responses he is entitled to. Out of all the regulars,
he is arguably the least credible and the least three-dimensional.
Ultimately he is a very 'safe' character, a predictable buffoon (just as the
'cheery Cockney' stereotype on which he is based was devised to contain and
neutralise working class unrest). People say they like Vila because they
would find him the easiest to get along with socially; what they really mean
is they consider him the least threatening, perhaps even no threat at all,
but that's only because most of the time he was subjected to trite
caricaturisation by the writers rather than true characterisation.
Of course, I really mean all that, and I'm not just sticking a feline
predator into the dovecote to see how many feathers fly out. I mean, as if
I would...
Neil
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:16:20 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>>Can't we talk about a decent band for a change? Like
>>Motorhead?
>
>I don't know. <smile> Do you think any particular B7 character would
>have liked Motorhead?
What makes you think any of them would go for Pink Floyd? And if not,
who/what would they listen to?
Neil
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:47:47 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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Neil said>What makes you think any of them would go for Pink Floyd?
Ah, I don't. Sorry to have given you the impression that I did. Vila
enjoyed the process of becoming "comfortably numb", but I wouldn't
guarantee he'd enjoy listening to it.
>And if not, who/what would they listen to?
<shrug> Well, if that music Cally was listening to in one episode is any
indication, the B7 universe wouldn't have believed that we might find it
painful to listen to the music played on board the Space Princess!
Music of our time? Well, straight after Rumours of Death, I would
suggest, Avon might've been playing Geoff Smith's "Six Wings of Bliss"
over and over again (sample lyric: All my life's bliss is in the grave
with thee). Though he'd probably had enough of it by the beginning of
Sarcophagous <smile>
Vila: Drinking songs, of course.
Blake: Dylan? Peter, Paul and Mary? Something 1960s vintage might be
appropriate.
Dayna: Folk music, if Sarcophagous is any example.
Can't think of anything else right now. It's time to go.
Regards
Joanne
The future, ladies and gentlemen, will not be clean, pleasant or even
remotely nice...Just imagine Blake's 7 produced by men and women in the
midst of acute heroin withdrawal..., and you'll be somewhere near the
mark.
--Jonathan Wright, TV Zone no 108
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Date: 07 Jan 1999 09:19:56 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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"Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> writes:
> Dayna: Folk music, if Sarcophagous is any example.
So you don't think that the walls of her quarters are covered with
Spice Girls posters?
...or maybe that was Vila's quarters.
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that the code acquires flexibility, the flexibility enables obscurity, the
obscurity generates a warning. It is by Perl alone I set my mind in motion.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:13:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>
> >>Can't we talk about a decent band for a change? Like
> >>Motorhead?
> >
> >I don't know. <smile> Do you think any particular B7 character would
> >have liked Motorhead?
>
>
> What makes you think any of them would go for Pink Floyd? And if not,
> who/what would they listen to?
I can imagine Avon enjoying the cynical self-mocking humour of "The Wall".
If we're onto Motorhead (how _do_ you get an umlaut on this thing?) I'm
sure there's ample scope for an Avon-centred video to "I'm So Bad Baby I
Don't Care".
Iain
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:41:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Redemption
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We're just working out exact timetable details for Redemption. It would be
helpful if anyone who has offered to help with anything would let me know if
they will be around on Friday and roughly what time they expect to arrive.
Obviously, we want to try and build the Friday timetable around people whom we
know will be there.
Judith
--
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:53:38 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
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Neil said:
>Toise and Pinder were, in their turn, effete and ineffectual
>rentboys.
I don't know, I always thought Toise's final words redeemed him -- at
the very least they subverted the viewer's perception (preconception) of
Krantor and Toise's relationship.
> Leitz - another villain - might also be taken into consideration.
But it was snuggling up to curvy Servy that led to his demise.
>Travis referred to Jarriere as looking like a powder puff (ie; poof).
Which highlighted Travis' childish nastiness. Maybe this indicates
homophobia on the part of the character (which wouldn't surprise me),
but I don't think it reveals it in the writer.
>The examples in B7 do indicate a downer on homosexuality on Holmes'
part,
>though he never made it explicitly clear in his scripts...
Villains are allowed, nay encouraged, to be flamboyant. See Servalan.
And flamboyant, to the general public, tends to equal gay. Both villainy
and homosexuality are violations of the norm, egregious flauting of
convention. So in mainstream media they tend to coincide. I don't see
this as homophobia -- but then I almost invariably admire the Villain
more than the Hero...
--Penny "Come To The Dark Side" Dreadful
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:15:06 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>>And if not, who/what would they listen to?
>
>Music of our time? Well, straight after Rumours of Death, I would
>suggest, Avon might've been playing Geoff Smith's "Six Wings of Bliss"
>over and over again (sample lyric: All my life's bliss is in the grave
>with thee). Though he'd probably had enough of it by the beginning of
>Sarcophagous <smile>
For Avon, I would suggest Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, possibly Radiohead for
light relief. Or maybe he'd profess a liking for strange avant garde stuff
taped off Radio Three whilst secretly bopping to Sandie Shaw.
>>Vila: Drinking songs, of course.
He has a whisky drink, he has a cider drink, he has a vodka drink, he has a
lager drink, he sings the songs that remind him of the good times...
>Blake: Dylan? Peter, Paul and Mary? Something 1960s vintage might be
>appropriate.
Anything with a protest theme would do. Lots of delta blues, Joan Baez,
Buffy Sainte Marie, punk stuff by the Crass tribe, maybe Pulp or Leftfield
at a pinch. And then he'd slink off to his cabin for a secret dose of
Stevie Wonder.
>
>Dayna: Folk music, if Sarcophagous is any example.
Nah. She's young and fun-loving, so she'd rave over M People, Eternal and
Mariah Carey. Privately though, she prefers Underworld and the Prodigy.
Tarrant: young and trendy, so Underworld and the Prodigy. Privately prefers
M People, Eternal and Mariah Carey.
Jenna: Country and Western, and doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks.
Cally: really ought to be into moody Celtic stuff like Enya and Clannad, but
probably prefers Robbie Williams or something equally uncool.
Gan: Val Doonican's greatest fan. What's more, he admits it.
Soolin: that copy of 'SpiceWorld' was just a misguided but well-meant
present from Dorian, honest. Do you really want to argue with her?
Servalan: Roger Whittaker. Unless Avon was right in 'Gold', in which case
gangsta.
Travis: The Parahandgun Overture with Lazeron Fugue, as performed by the
Mutoid Killharmonic Orchestra. Also Massacre in D(eath) Major. Guaranteed
to slay the audience.
Zen: anything from the Bacharach/David repertoire, especially when done by
someone like the Walker Brothers.
Orac: Doesn't like to be distracted, so anything that goes in one ear and
straight out the other. Pink Floyd will do nicely.
Slave: Aqua - dials in to local radio station pretending to be a four
year-old so soft-hearted DJ plays 'Barbie Girl' three times in an hour. So
now we know who to blame...
Who the hell started all this anyway?
Neil
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 14:38:23 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again (getting longer)
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Neil said: >Who the hell started all this anyway?
You did, chuckie, you did <smile> This is what you get for objecting to
Una's taste in music. To go back to the beginning of that post:
>For Avon, I would suggest Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, possibly >Radiohead
for light relief.
<snicker> Light relief, indeed. Though it does inspire the tempting
vision of him humming the first verse of "Karma Police" whenever he'd
had a run-in with Blake or Tarrant. Leonard Cohen and Lou Reed might be
too obviously doomy and gloomy, however.
>>>Vila: Drinking songs, of course.
>He has a whisky drink, he has a cider drink, he has a vodka drink, >he
has a lager drink, he sings the songs that remind him of the good
>times...
<much laughter>
>>Blake: Dylan? Peter, Paul and Mary? Something 1960s vintage >>might be
appropriate.
>Anything with a protest theme would do. [snip] Buffy Sainte Marie,
>punk stuff by the Crass tribe, maybe Pulp or Leftfield
>at a pinch. And then he'd slink off to his cabin for a secret dose of
>Stevie Wonder.
Depending on whether or not one equates futuristic music with
synthesisers and sampling and the like, Leftfield might be a good
choice. Marxman might be another one, seeing as it deals with a number
of "isms" that Blake would have an interest in. I don't see why he has
to keep his taste for Stevie Wonder a secret. Unless you've got "I just
called to say I love you" in mind.
>>Dayna: Folk music, if Sarcophagous is any example.
>Nah. She's young and fun-loving, so she'd rave over M People, >Eternal
and Mariah Carey. Privately though, she prefers Underworld >and the
Prodigy.
Yes, but she was brought up well away from the mainstream, so her tastes
could be a little more eccentric. It might even be that she prefers to
compose music of her own, instead of listening to others.
>Tarrant: young and trendy, so Underworld and the Prodigy. Privately
>prefers M People, Eternal and Mariah Carey.
<big grin> Interesting. Is he merely a top 40 listener, or would he
prefer r'n'b and soul? (Am I playing into Carol's hands by even asking
that question? Shame on me! <smile>)
>Jenna: Country and Western, and doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks.
Possibly. Unless Blake felt lyrics about wives leaving and dogs dying
were conflicting with his Stevie Wonder sessions.
>Cally: really ought to be into moody Celtic stuff like Enya and
Clannad, but probably prefers Robbie Williams or something equally
>uncool.
<smile> The Face magazine seems to think Robbie Williams is cool in an
ironic way, so maybe not. I think I'll go back even further, and suggest
early music for Cally - Hildegard of Bingen, and sumer is i-comin in,
etc.
>Gan: Val Doonican's greatest fan. What's more, he admits it.
I know you suggested Roger Whittaker for Servalan, but he might be
another one in Gan's record collection. Don't forget Perry Como, Doris
Day, etc. He might even listen to Frank Sinatra if he was in a
particularly good mood.
>Soolin: that copy of 'SpiceWorld' was just a misguided but well-meant
>present from Dorian, honest. Do you really want to argue with her?
No <grin>
>Servalan: Roger Whittaker. Unless Avon was right in 'Gold', in which
>case gangsta.
Oh no, gangsta would be beneath her, I'd tentatively suggest. Too petty
and self-gratifying, she'd think, and not grand enough in scale. How
about Servalan as an opera buff with a passion for Wagner? Anyone else
think that fits?
>Travis: The Parahandgun Overture with Lazeron Fugue, as >performed by
the Mutoid Killharmonic Orchestra. Also Massacre in >D(eath) Major.
Guaranteed to slay the audience.
<smile> With the 1812 as the finale. With exploding solium bombs
substituted for the cannon.
>Orac: Doesn't like to be distracted, so anything that goes in one ear
and straight out the other. Pink Floyd will do nicely.
That does it. Forget Pink Floyd. Orac is the top 40 listener!
>Slave: Aqua - dials in to local radio station pretending to be a four
>year-old so soft-hearted DJ plays 'Barbie Girl' three times in an hour.
>So now we know who to blame...
He's also responsible for "Wannabe" by the Spice Girls, "Lovefool" by
the Cardigans, and any other heavily played song you were sick of ages
ago.
Regards
Joanne
Was Doctor Who ever gothic?...Indeed one could make a strong case for
Blake's 7 being far more gothic. After all, Doctor Who can only claim
one character called Goth, whereas Blake's 7 had a whole planet called
Goth! Furthermore, several of its episodes had the same titles as songs
by Fields of the Nephilim. Fifteen-Love to Blake's 7, I'd say.
--Richard Augood, "Gothic Doctor Who", The Velvet Web site.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:55:25 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Neil said
> For Avon, I would suggest Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, possibly Radiohead for
> light relief.
Yesss. At last someone else mentions Radiohead on a B7 list.
> >>Vila: Drinking songs, of course.
I think Vila would like Oasis, at least their early stuff while they were
still poor boys cocking a snook at the system. Even the title of their
first album 'Definitely maybe' could be a Vila line. And I would put Pulp
in here too.
> >Blake: Dylan? Peter, Paul and Mary? Something 1960s vintage might be
> >appropriate.
>
> Anything with a protest theme would do.
What about the Manic Street Preachers, particularly their latest single
abbot fighting fascists 'If you tolerate this then your children will be
next'.
I think Travis would like Prodigy, but he woudln't understand that they
were joking.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:40:31 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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Calle said: >So you don't think that the walls of her quarters are
>covered with Spice Girls posters?
>...or maybe that was Vila's quarters.
<smile> It is Vila's quarters. But there are layers of posters of
previous interests covered by the Spice Girls posters, which are
themselves beginning to be covered by whoever he's interested in next.
Not B*Witched, though - I suggest, from the only video clip of them I've
ever seen that they're far too wholesome for his tastes.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:02:18 EST
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Joanne most cruelly keeps tempting me with mention of The Decorative and
Resourceful one, forcing me to comment when I'm musically challenged and have
only heard of five or six of the groups/artists/songs mentioned.
> Interesting. Is he merely a top 40 listener, or would he
> prefer r'n'b and soul? (Am I playing into Carol's hands by even asking
> that question? Shame on me! <smile>)
I suppose the truth must be revealed and I'm just the person to do it. While
he'd never admit it in public, Tarrant's favorite artist is that old calendar
crooner Kermit the Frog. He has a secret stash of highly illegal videos of
Sesame Street featuring the Green One, which he watches while munching on cold
pizza. He also has a valuable antique soundtrack recording of The Muppet
Movie, which he can only play when he visits Sarkoff's hideaway. Furthermore,
Tarrant has been known to sing "The Rainbow Connection" in the shower.
Joanne earlier attempted to bestir me with:
> Tarrant becomes tetchy rather easily in the third series (down, Carol,
> down <grin>).
It might have something to do with the company he kept. ;-)
> But, because "City" is on my list of episodes still to be
> seen, I have no idea if there are any indications that the rest of the
> crew have other priorities. They could still outrun the opposition, so
> long as they had sufficient notice. It might have been the next thing on
> Avon's list (or Dayna's, if it comes to that),
Not that either of them mentioned it. My own suspicion is that both Avon and
Dayna were too busy shaking sand out of their shoes, clothes, hair, etc. to do
much of anything for months. Those beach vacations come with a price.
> but Tarrant's military
> training may have made him feel naked, so to speak, without some sort of
> fully functioning weaponry on call.
Tarrant naked. Now we're getting into a subject that I can enjoy. Oh, you
mean figuratively speaking. Getting momentarily serious, that's a great
observation. He did seem more fretful over the lack of weaponry than anyone
else. Probably the way Soolin would feel without a gun.
> Same here, although the bit in the latter where Elmer Awon goes huntin'
> for Wilas makes me want to kick our old friend Kerr from here to the
> Arctic Circle, and that's a long way.
<snort>
Carol Mc
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:49:52 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Homophobia
Message-ID: <19990108074952.56725@welkin.apana.org.au>
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On Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 11:51:31PM -0000, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> Dunne (Martin Lydon) wrote:
>
> >Homophobia? You're going to have to help me with this!
> >What elements of Homophobia can be detected in Robert Holme's four B7
> scripts?
> >(Killer, Gambit, Traitor and Orbit)
> >Martin
> >
> Well, maybe it's just my (mis)perception,
Yep.
> but I think we can safely read a
> homosexual dimension in the case of Krantor/Toise and Egrorian/Pinder. Both
> Krantor and Egrorian were ruthless egomaniacs, unambiguously presented as
> villains. Toise and Pinder were, in their turn, effete and ineffectual
> rentboys.
If this is homophobia, then a smile is sexual harrasment. Talk about
subtle. (Kathryn throws her hands up in the air) You say, that
because there is the faint possibility that some of the villains
*might* be gay, (also due to the casting and the acting, don't forget)
that the author is homophobic. Talk about over-reaction!
(Kathryn goes and looks up her dictionary)
Homophobia: intense hatred or fear of homosexuals or homosexuality.
*Please* don't abuse the English language.
Kathryn A.
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