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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 99 : Issue 44

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Re: [B7L] In defence of Sarcophagus
	 Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Re: [B7L]Locations where 'Guards !Guards!' is being performed
	 Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Fwd: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 [B7L] FW: New B7 season
	 [B7L] [B7}: Virus warning
	 [B7L] Re B7 and SF
	 Re: [B7L] [B7}: Virus warning
	 Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Re: [B7L] Avon and Spock
	 Re: [B7L] Re: In defence of Sarcophagus
	 Re: [B7L] Virus warning
	 [B7L] [B7] Virus warning
	 Re: [B7L] Flame (was: Virus warning)
	 [B7L] I'm off
	 Re: [B7L] Virus warning
	 Re: [B7L] Re: In defence of Sarcophagus
	 Re: [B7L] Flame (was: Virus warning)
	 [B7L] Crusade
	 Re: [B7L] Re B7 and SF
	 [B7L] Finally finished Afterlife
	 Re: [B7L] Flame (was: Virus warning)
	 Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
	 Re: [B7L] Virus warning
	 Re: [B7L] Virus warning
	 Re: [B7L] Virus warning

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:02:57 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
Message-ID: <19990126220257.2554.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>This is developed in extremis in adult/slash fanfic where the outside 
>world is all but entirely marginalised in favour of character 
>relationships. Which, now I come to think about it, is probably why I 
>don't like slash.
>Neil

Thank you, Neil. I hadn't really thought about it, but that might just 
be the reason why I didn't enjoy the few examples of slash I've read. 
That's not to denigrate those who do enjoy it (I would _not_ want to do 
that), but when I read <smile> I find that my inner five year old 
sometimes takes over my critical faculties, and she just wants to be 
told a story without a lot of "mushy" stuff. Slash, I'm afraid, falls 
into that category.

Curiously, this aspect of me must have been asleep when I read "The 
Machiavelli Factor", because there's angst a plenty in that, but 
sufficient _story_ to still any internal rumbles of discontent. 

Regards
Joanne
(who thinks of slash as an open invitation to a party that she's sorry 
to say that she can't accept just at the moment)

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:30:38 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
Message-ID: <BbfUgTAuXir2Ew5H@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <Pine.OSF.3.96.990126185408.26009E-100000@bsauasc>, Iain
Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk> writes
>Plus, of course, I am strongly biased in his favour by the fact that he
>wrote the only book that has ever made me cry.

Which one?

The one I read at least once a year is _A Scanner Darkly_. I don't even
know whether to class that one as SF, especially as it isn't SF any
more. Now it's reality.
-- 
Julia Jones

"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:15:59 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] In defence of Sarcophagus
Message-ID: <aLrSkGA$Jir2Ew6N@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <006601be48c4$52bf2100$141aac3e@default>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>In short, Sarcophagus lets you have it either way - it can be mystical
>fantasy, or rationalised as more conventional SF for the skeptically minded.
>That's just one of the things that makes the episode such a class bit of
>scripting (I'm a skeptic and proud of it, and Sarc is one of my favourite
>episodes).

What he said...

Neil's done a much better job than I could of explaining why I like
Sarcophogus. I like both science fiction and fantasy, but I tend to get
different things out of them. Sarcophagus is unusual in having the
cpapcity to be interpretated as either.
-- 
Julia Jones

"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:20:16 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
Message-ID: <e7kTYJAAOir2EwZd@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <36AD1F97.1DDC@jps.net>, Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes
>My two cents... I enjoy science fiction, and to an extent, I enjoy
>fantasy. I find fantasy at it's most enjoyable when it creates a solid
>'reality' of magic. Not powers and spells derived at random, but
>issueing from the notion that there are systems to magic as there are of
>science.

This is why I enjoy Andre Norton's Witch World novels, in spite of the
heavy anti-technology/science bias in many of them. There's also a
strong flavour of this "rational basis" to the esper powers she uses in
her SF novels. I don't believe that such esper powers actually exist -
but I'll happily suspend disbelief while reading a novel that assumes
that they exist, then gives a logicial underpinning to them.
-- 
Julia Jones

"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:22:51 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Josh Tildesley <josht@rpf.co.uk>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Locations where 'Guards !Guards!' is being performed
Message-ID: <BLSU0MAbQir2EwYN@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <007601be4914$9c037b40$95b4cdc2@josh-s-pc>, Josh Tildesley
<josht@rpf.co.uk> writes
>
>Well thanks, Julie. Your help is appreciated. 
>Could anyone tell me if there is a safe place to park near the theatre?
>
There are two car parks just around the corner, both covered by cctv.
The police station is in the same road. I've never had any trouble when
I've parked there.
-- 
Julia Jones

"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:06:16 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:

>Yet my guess would be that for every book my Tolkien, the average B7 fan
>has three or more books by Asimov.

Hardly a fair comparison, though, given that Asimov *wrote* approximately
1.5 bazillion books for every one written by Tolkien... I've got both,
personally, and don't have a strong preference between SF and fantasy. Just
depends on what I'm in the mood to read.

>And are more likely not to miss an episode of B5 as compared to Xena.

Looked at 'em both, was mildly amused by Xena, bored stiff by B5, don't
regularly watch either.

	- Lisa
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:49:32 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
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>Lisa wrote:
>>I believe that would be Frederick Brown, if you're referring to the 
author of the 1944 short story "Arena" which was the basis for the ST 
episode of the same name. <<

Just out of curiosity, would you know if this is the same Frederick 
Brown that wrote 'Night of the Jabberwock'?

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:59:02 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
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Sally Manton wrote:

>Just out of curiosity, would you know if this is the same Frederick 
>Brown that wrote 'Night of the Jabberwock'?

'Tis indeed. 

I see that in his books he's actually "Fredric", though some of the
bibliographies have him as "Frederick". Same guy, though. He was a fairly
prolific author; died in 1972.

	- Lisa
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 03:52:16 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
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I wrote;

>>This is developed in extremis in adult/slash fanfic where the outside
>>world is all but entirely marginalised in favour of character
>>relationships. Which, now I come to think about it, is probably why I
>>don't like slash.
>>Neil


and Joanne replied:
>Thank you, Neil. I hadn't really thought about it, but that might just
>be the reason why I didn't enjoy the few examples of slash I've read.
>That's not to denigrate those who do enjoy it (I would _not_ want to do
>that), but when I read <smile> I find that my inner five year old
>sometimes takes over my critical faculties, and she just wants to be
>told a story without a lot of "mushy" stuff. Slash, I'm afraid, falls
>into that category.

I've been very critical of slash in the past, primarily on the basis of its
deficiencies in social realism (quite irrespective of any emotional realism
it may or may not contain).  And no, I do _not_ want to resurrect that
argument all over again, just point out that I consider social background
stuff to be every bit as important as depth of character, and that is why I
prefer B7 to any other media SF.

B7 has a level of cynicism, futility and moral ambiguity (not to mention
violence) which are unmatched by anything else I've seen (I'm not familiar
with Bab5). Although the background may be sketchy, it's more coherent and
consistent than anything in Dr Who, deeper than that in Star Wars, and a
hell of a lot more believable than anything in Trek.

>
>Curiously, this aspect of me must have been asleep when I read "The
>Machiavelli Factor", because there's angst a plenty in that, but
>sufficient _story_ to still any internal rumbles of discontent.


I rather enjoyed this one too, though my mind entered sleep mode for some of
the angsty bits.  A bit too Star Warsy for my tastes, but well constructed
and written.

But why is Machiavelli always associated with subtle intrigue?  I thought he
advocated purging all potential dissidents from the word go and staying in
power through a reign of terror.  Nothing terribly subtle about that.

Neil

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:40:16 +1030
From: "Dunne, Martin Lydon - DUNML001" <DUNML001@students.unisa.edu.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] FW: New B7 season
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The BBC have denied that there was ever a plan to pause the series for 18
years- "We're simply not that organised" a spokesman said.
It is believed that the new series will use stock model shots exclusivly. The
"Rust Bucket" will be shots of the "London", but photo-reversed or played
bakwards.

Cliche by Terry Nation

The "Rust Bucket" flies to a meeting with a reclusive scientist with a unique
invention and/or a fugitive rebel leader, but it encounters some kind of space
phenomena. Or something.

Eternity by Chris Boucher

The Cheepie of the season. A loop tape of
Tarrant-returning-only-to-perish-on-Terminal, interspaced with what appears to
be Servalan being met at an airport, walking a dog and playing Twister while
drunk. This is actually Jacqueline Pearce's home movies, edited in to fulfil
her contractually obligated eight appearances per year.

Pain by Robert Holmes

ORAC's half sibling is being held prisoner by Servalan, and when Avon and Vila
go to the rescue they are captured and tortured in slightly sado-masochistic
ways. Dangerous Dev, Allen the joystick, Ayeath the air outlet and Joss the
piece of floor where the computer would go are all imaginary crew members, and
so offer no assistance.


> BBC press release reveals long term plan to start producing "Blakes 7" in
> 1999.
> It quotes Michael Grade in 1981- "We think a good 18 year pause will be good
> for the show".
> The format is believed to be that of survivors of the shoot out on Gauda
> Prime (not Tarrant, Dayna, Soolin or Slave) on the run from the Federation,
> and attempting to outfit their new ship, the "Rust Bucket" with a second
> chair, windows and a door. Space Commander Travis returns as the principle
> villain, with no explanation as to how he survived "Star One", or why other
> characters recognise him as the same Travis despite being played by different
> actors (Glynis Barber, Kevin Stoney and Peter Tuddenham [voice over only]).
> The figure of 7 crew is reached by giving names and personalities to
> inanimate objects on the ship. The pilot chair becomes "Dangerous Dev",
> explosives expert.
> Suggested plots are:
> 
> Re-Tread by Chris Boucher
> The survivors flee Gauda Prime in the "Rust Bucket", perused by Travis (Deep
> Roy).
> 
> Aftertaste by Tony Attwood
> The Federation is rocked by a 60-way civil war between Old Federation, New
> Federation, Borrowed and Blue Federations, all the various incarnations of
> Travis, five guys named Moe and a cast of thousands which we never see.
> Tarrant returns only to perish on Terminal in a tacked on scene.
> 
> Bloody Hurts, Doesn't It? by Ben Steed
> Avon pierces his privates with a large hook and Villa shuts his repeatedly in
> a door. We're not sure if this is a story breakdown, or just some stuff Ben
> likes to write. In a note of continuity,
> Tarrant-returns-only-to-perish-on-Terminal no less than eight times.
> 
> This is a real document and not sardonic comment.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:49:07 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] [B7}: Virus warning
Message-ID: <01be49da$47e39d30$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet>
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I know that most of these virus warnings are a hoax - the warning
itself being the virus - and the instruction to
"send to everyone in your address book" is typical of the type,
HOWEVER, I did think this one had the ring of truth about it and
was probably worth passing on.

Apologies if someone else has forwarded this already, I am
at work and haven't had time to read my B7 mail yet.


-----Original Message-----
From: Alison Aldwinckle <alison.aldwinckle@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: all@lincolnsoftware.com <all@lincolnsoftware.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 9:26 AM
Subject: FW: Virus warning


>Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver, the Budweiser Frogs -
>"BUDDYLST.ZIP".  If you download it, you will lose
>everything! Your hard drive will crash and someone from the Internet
>will get your screen name and password.
>
>DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
>
>It just went into circulation yesterday, as far as we know.  Please
>distribute this message.
>
>This is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
>This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft. Please
>share it with everyone that might access the Internet.  Once again, pass
>this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that this may be stopped.
>
>Also do not open or even look at any mail that says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO
>DELIVER".  This virus will attach itself to your computer components and
>render them useless. Immediately delete mail items that say this.
>
>AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is NO
>remedy for it at this time. Please practice cautionary measures and
>forward this to all your on-line friends ASAP.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:59:39 -0000
From: "Debra Collard" <Debra@whisson1.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "B7L" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re B7 and SF
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Helen said,

>By the same token, I haven't liked much of what I've seen of Phillip K.
Dick, because far too many of the stories I've read of his are about
people's internal worlds and fantasies, and not enough about real
interactions. (I read a god-awful story by him that semi-ended with the
people who'd been going through all this desperate stirife awakening--
their ship was crippled and they were doing an interactive
virtual-rality type thing to try to keep them sane until help arrived,
if ever. However, knowlege of their situation was creeping in and
turning their simulations nightmarish, and it was obviously only a
matter of time before the psuedo-murders in the simulations started
taking place in real life). Chilling thought, I'll grant. But
::screaming:: "It was all a dream!" Grrr... <

I have to disagree with you about Philip K Dick's work, I can't say I always
'like' it but I certainly always remember it which is more than I can say
about a lot of authors.I have several of his books which I read over and
over again. He is a very dark author and sees society developing
with the worst of the current trends. He uses things that happen now and
takes them just beyond what would currently be acceptable. ( A couple of
stories that I wanted to use to illustrate this point are probably not
suitable for this list).

Tying this back in with B7 (oh yes I can), Sci Fi or fantasy that makes you
think and which you can remember even years later must be better than
wallpaper stuff. I notice in this list people talk about B7 episodes and
then say 'but I might be wrong as I haven't seen it for years', but they
remember. B7 would do uncomfortable things, or have episodes that the fans
didn't like and that is why I like it. I would rather have a programme or
book make me angry than watch/read one that I instantly forget.

Debra

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 02:24:15 PST
From: "Stephen Date" <stephendate@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] [B7}: Virus warning
Message-ID: <19990127102418.17528.qmail@hotmail.com>
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Julie wrote
>
>I know that most of these virus warnings are a hoax - the warning
>itself being the virus - and the instruction to
>"send to everyone in your address book" is typical of the type,
>HOWEVER, I did think this one had the ring of truth about it and
>was probably worth passing on.
>
>Apologies if someone else has forwarded this already, I am
>at work and haven't had time to read my B7 mail yet.
>
This one's very probably genuine. Our IT people at Customs sent out the 
same warning a while back.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:33:14 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Julia Jones wrote:

> In message <Pine.OSF.3.96.990126185408.26009E-100000@bsauasc>, Iain
> Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk> writes
> >Plus, of course, I am strongly biased in his favour by the fact that he
> >wrote the only book that has ever made me cry.
> 
> Which one?
> 
> The one I read at least once a year is _A Scanner Darkly_. 

That's the one!

The story itself is enough of a downer, but it was the afterword that
really got me.

I don't even
> know whether to class that one as SF, especially as it isn't SF any
> more. Now it's reality.

Even when it was written, it was reality with only the thinnest of SF
veneers.

Iain

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:28:36 PST
From: "Stephen Date" <stephendate@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Spock
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Gail wrote

>I've had the idea the other day that Spock and Avon suffered from the 
>same thing, alienation and loneliness, but Spock was headed toward 
>"redemption," the resolution of this conflict and wholeness of >person, 
while Avon was headed toward destruction and fragmentation of 
>personality, complete isolation, and, basically, "hell."  What do the 
>rest of you think of that?

Personally, I never saw Spock as being terribly alienated. I thought of 
him as someone who had moved to another country where the natives were 
friendly but had some bizzare customs. Funnily enough I think his alter 
ego in 'Mirror, Mirror' was alienated, but then he was a civilised man 
among barbarians.

I think Avon started alienated, and then gradually became more 'human' 
as the series went on, starting, I think, with the Web and ending at 
Terminal where he sticks his neck out for everyone's sake. In season 4 
he's a much nastier piece of work. He's killed Anna, Cally's dead, 
Blake's dead (or so he thinks for a lot of the time) and he's managed to 
blow up the liberator. This is vaguely reminiscent of a scene at the end 
of one of de Sade's works (I forget which one, and no I haven't read any 
- this particular bit was cited by Camus in 'The Rebel'). The heroine 
runs through a storm and the criminal who loves her prays to God that 
she will be saved, offering to reform his life if she is. She is struck 
by lightning and the criminal returns to his bad habits, human injustice 
being a response to divine injustice. I think 'Orbit' is the nadir of 
Avon's development here. He isn't really trying to kill Vila. (When Avon 
wishes to kill someone he generally prefers the approach direct, rather 
than calling out "Vila, where are you"). But he has seriously considered 
it and Vila's attitude has changed radically. I imagine this came as a 
bit of a shock to Avon who had taken Vila for granted up to then ("I 
know his value, just as he knows mine". In Warlord, things change for 
the better - Avon saves everyone's life like in the good old days and if 
there hadn't been that ghastly misunderstanding on GP in time we might 
have seen the old Avon back. We'll never know. Still, I like to think 
that the trumpets sounded for him on the other side, in however muted a 
fashion.

Stephen Date.

P.S. I was going to work in a parallel between Avon's development and 
that of William Hartnell's Doctor but I've gone on for too long. Another 
time.


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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:50:07 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: In defence of Sarcophagus
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Susan Bennett wrote:

> I liked that, although I wondered about Paul's American accent.  Did it
>  sound authentic to you?

To tell the truth, Paul's voice is so distinctively Paul that I don't think
about what accent is attached to it. 
  
>   (Sorry Carol, but you said the fatal words "music
>  video"...<g>)  "Overture/Ladyhawke" would make a lovely Vila/Kerril,
>  "Daddy's Little Girl" seems perfect for a Servalan vid and "The Phoenix"
for
>  Zen.  

I don't have the latter two songs, but I'll keep V/K in mind when I listen to
"Ladyhawke."  I have toyed with using "Silver" for a B7 vid.

> And although it doesn't seem to fit B7 very well, my favourite choice
>  for a vid would be "The Hand of God".  Perhaps because of the cynicism it
>  would fit Avon and the rebellion?

The cynicism definitely fits.  And that's another song I've toyed with,
probably as an ensemble piece. 

Julia, thanks for the additional information on Tanith Lee as a fan of B7.

Pat F and Judith, thanks for the information on the availability of Julia's
filktapes.  I would like to pick up more.  She also sings with the group
Technical Difficulties (at least I'm pretty sure that is the group's name).

Carol Mc

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:25:39 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus warning
Message-Id: <199901271320.HAA23052@mail.dallas.net>
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Julie Horner wrote:

>HOWEVER, I did think this one had the ring of truth about it and
>was probably worth passing on.

How many times do we have to say it, folks? DO NOT post so-called "virus
warnings" to mailing lists! DO NOT EVER forward any chain letter without
checking the facts! There are dozens of websites now which monitor real
viruses and virus hoaxes; bookmark a few of them and *check*, for heaven's
sake. It only takes a few minutes.

No, this one doesn't have the "ring of truth" about it. It's another tired
hoax. See <http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/buddylst.zip.html>. 

And, once again, here is a short list of just a few of the sites you can
check for info on virus hoaxes and urban legends which circulate on the
Internet:

       http://snopes.simplenet.com/
       http://www.ciac.org/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
       http://chekware.simplenet.com/hoaxfaq.htm
       http://www.virusafe.com/vcenter/irina.html
       http://www.kumite.com/myths/home.htm
       http://www.cybec.com.au/html/hoaxes.html
       http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html

Please, folks, resist the urge to send that chain letter on to everyone in
the known universe. No matter how good your intentions are, you're not
doing anyone any favors by forwarding yet another piece of false
information around the net. *Look it up*. Then go tell the person who sent
it to you that it's a fraud. And tell him or her where to look it up.
*That* might actually do some good, and at any rate you won't be driving
every techie on the list to tears with the umpteenth virus-hoax post
they've seen this year.

	- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@rsc.raytheon.com

Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:28:33 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] [B7] Virus warning
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Jenni assures me it is a hoax after all.

Sorry folks.

I don't normally fall for these but this one was distributed by
someone in the management structure of our company so
I thought it might be genuine. Stupid of me to think that  you
can ever believe anything you are told by management   :-)

Julie Horner

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Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:56:06 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Flame (was: Virus warning)
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"Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com> writes:

NEVER, EVER SEND ON A VIRUS WARNING!

> I know that most of these virus warnings are a hoax

So act on that knowledge and NEVER, EVER SEND ON A VIRUS WARNING!

> HOWEVER, I did think this one had the ring of truth about it and
> was probably worth passing on.

Don't. Ever. Leave it to those who *know*. If you fear that it might
be real, talk to your sysadmin. If it *is* real, your sysadmin will
let you know. If it is real and anywhere near as dangerous as whoever
sent you this want you to think, it'll be blasted out on the front
pages of every newspaper in the western world, not spread by ignorant
mailing list members. If you don't trust your sysadmin, subscribe to
Bugtraq or another *real* security-alert mailing list. Don't make a
fool of yourself in front of hundreds of people. 

> Apologies if someone else has forwarded this already, I am
> at work and haven't had time to read my B7 mail yet.

So not only do you send us crap, you can't even be bothered to check
if someone else did it first?


-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
           Maintainer of the Blake's 7 mailing list. Mail for info.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:38:06 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] I'm off
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I'll be unsubbing tonight, as I get an early morning flight to LA
tomorrow...

I'll be back on February 18th and resub then...

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:14:02 -0600
From: "Pressenter" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus warning
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus warning



>Please, folks, resist the urge to send that chain letter on to everyone in
>the known universe. No matter how good your intentions are, you're not
>doing anyone any favors by forwarding yet another piece of false
>information around the net. *Look it up*. Then go tell the person who sent
>it to you that it's a fraud. And tell him or her where to look it up.
>*That* might actually do some good, and at any rate you won't be driving
>every techie on the list to tears with the umpteenth virus-hoax post
>they've seen this year.
>
> - Lisa


Thanks for putting the website list up there as well.  Seriously good
resources.

It seems no matter how many times I tell my users (and my IS Manager!) not
to forward these type of messages they always do.  Amzingly enough I found
one of the many messages being forwarded had at one time included a file
named  (space).exe  which is the Back Orafice client.  I suppose if you want
to spread a virus, what better way than to send a virus warning with a virus
attached.

Getting sorta back on topic...  What type of Virus filtering did Orac have?
He was constantly doing research with remote computers, and given how
widespread viruses are today, how likely is it that he would encounter a
machine that had been infected?

Reuben
Sr. IS Specilaist
Tursso Co.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:48:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: In defence of Sarcophagus
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0127174853-1fcRr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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Carol,

> Pat F and Judith, thanks for the information on the availability of Julia's
> filktapes.  I would like to pick up more.  She also sings with the group
> Technical Difficulties (at least I'm pretty sure that is the group's name).

Contact 'Tales from the White Hart'.  They stock a lot of filk.

Judith

-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:53:18 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Flame (was: Virus warning)
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On Wed 27 Jan, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
> "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com> writes:
> 
> NEVER, EVER SEND ON A VIRUS WARNING!
> 
> > I know that most of these virus warnings are a hoax
> 
> So act on that knowledge and NEVER, EVER SEND ON A VIRUS WARNING!

I recieved a message the other day that may be a new varient of virus warning. 
It was a very detailed message explaining the dangers of aspartame and various
bits of research that had ben done and how the powers that be were ignoring it.

There was something about it though, that had the feel of a hoax.  Probably
because it contained all the bits about 'pass this onto your friends' and the
generally paranoid tone of it.

I decided not to pass it on.

Judith
-- 
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7

Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention  
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:12:41 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Crusade
Message-ID: <36AF5717.25E313C0@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
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The February issue of Cult Times in the UK quotes an annoymous
commentator as saying the following about the Babylon 5 spin-off
Crusade: "Has anyone noticed the almost exact likeness the Excalibur has

to Blake's 7's Liberator? And the crew that consists of a thief, an
idealistic commander, an extremely intelligent but distant technology
wiz?"
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson

Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:55:16 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: B7L <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re B7 and SF
Message-ID: <8wQ4EHAUE2r2Ewch@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <004b01be49db$fc95e520$b82b883e@whisson1globalnet.co.uk>,
Debra Collard <Debra@whisson1.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Tying this back in with B7 (oh yes I can), Sci Fi or fantasy that makes you
>think and which you can remember even years later must be better than
>wallpaper stuff. I notice in this list people talk about B7 episodes and
>then say 'but I might be wrong as I haven't seen it for years', but they
>remember. B7 would do uncomfortable things, or have episodes that the fans
>didn't like and that is why I like it. I would rather have a programme or
>book make me angry than watch/read one that I instantly forget.
>
Ah yes. One of the things I noticed when I finally bought the tapes was
how many things I could remember in episodes that I'd seen only twice
some ten to fifteen years previously. Intersting that the episodes I
could clearly remember were written by Chris Boucher, Robert Holmes and
Tanith Lee.

-- 
Julia Jones

"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:15:07 -0600
From: "Pressenter" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Finally finished Afterlife
Message-ID: <004601be4a3a$465d22a0$450114ac@misnt1>
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I finally got around to reading Afterlife.  I have to admit I was looking
forward to it because it was actually new Blake's 7 that I hadn't read
before; wrapped up in one nice package that I could read in bed, in the tub,
or even over lunch break, as opposed to some of the wondeful fanfic, which
unfortunately requires me to be in close proximity to a CRT.  On the other
hand I wasn't looking forward to reading anything more by the awful Turlough
and the Earthlink Dilemma author.

Some minor spoilers here so if you haven't read it, don't read any further.

It supprised me by not being as bad as I expected.  Maybe all those years of
reading the Dr. Who target novelizations prepared me for some of the
childish writing styles and some .  The story started pretty weak, but once
Avon and Villa got off GP it picked up a bit.  I thought the KAT idea was a
hoot.  Just what Villa always needed; a mechanical drinking buddy.  It was a
bit disappointing to find out later than Avon had built it.  The alternate
universe ideas were fairly entertaining, and Hoyle actually manages to get
Villa right most of the time.  However, the last 40 pages or so it
unfortunately degraded into a utter mess.  The Curly One shows up (in my
estimation, the least likely to survive the GP mess) and dies, Our Lovely
Lady shows up, and dies.  And worst of all Avon's sister.  I was truly glad
when it was all over.

Next up: A Terrible Aspect....umm, on 2nd thought I think I'll just read
Neverwhere again.

Reuben
http://www.reuben.net/blake/

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:20:53 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Flame (was: Virus warning)
Message-Id: <199901272116.PAA06014@mail.dallas.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Judith Proctor wrote:

>I recieved a message the other day that may be a new varient of virus 
>warning. It was a very detailed message explaining the dangers of aspartame 
>and various bits of research that had ben done and how the powers that be 
>were ignoring it.

That's an urban legend, a field of which hoax virus warnings can be
considered a small and specialized subset. There are numerous urban legends
which make the rounds on the Internet these days, some of them recent, some
which were around long before the net was. The first website I listed
(www.snopes.com) is a good place to go to check on these; he doesn't keep
track of all the virus hoaxes, but does cover more general ULs. And his
site has a good search function.

The circulating aspartame message is a complete fabrication from a
well-known anti-Aspartame kook. See snopes' brief writeup at
<http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/aspartam.htm>, or a longer one at
another UL site, <http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blasp.htm>.

>I decided not to pass it on.

Good choice. The same goes for messages about kidney thieves, $250 cookie
recipes, gangs who shoot you if you flash your headlights, $1000 prizes
from Bill Gates, or small children dying of cancer who want you to do
anything from forwarding email to sending them business cards. Or any of
dozens of other ULs making the rounds. 

	- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@rsc.raytheon.com

Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/

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Date: 27 Jan 1999 22:26:19 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] F and SF (Re: Sarcophagus)
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Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie> writes:

> but I was wondering why you haven't included J.R.R.Tolkien's "The
> Lord of the Rings".

Because it is (nearly) the source of all current fantasy clichés. The
books I listed are ones I consider creative, books which bring
something new to the genre. LotR did that, so much is true, but it has
been imitated to such an extreme degree that I think many would find
it familiar even without ever having read it. I wanted to point at
stuff most people *won't* find familiar.

-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
        This posting is protected by a Whizzo Brand Fnord Filter (TM).

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Date: 27 Jan 1999 22:33:16 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus warning
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"Pressenter" <reuben@reuben.net> writes:

> Getting sorta back on topic... What type of Virus filtering did Orac
> have? He was constantly doing research with remote computers, and
> given how widespread viruses are today, how likely is it that he
> would encounter a machine that had been infected?

He probably ran on a real operating system, with security.

-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
        This posting is protected by a Whizzo Brand Fnord Filter (TM).

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:47:21 PST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus warning
Message-ID: <19990127214721.3977.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>He probably ran on a real operating system, with security.
> Calle Dybedahl

It's too tempting, and I apologise sincerely for succumbing...

So, what is the computer equivalent of quiche?

Regards
Joanne
(gone to grovelling practice)

______________________________________________________
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Date: 28 Jan 1999 05:56:01 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Virus warning
Message-ID: <usu2xc9ese.fsf@sara.lysator.liu.se>
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"Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> writes:

> So, what is the computer equivalent of quiche?

Anything that runs on computers that weigh less than a ton :-)

To bring this slightly on-topic, I like the idea someone proposed that
Orac is really the sum total of the connections between all tarriel
cells, and that the box of flashing lights is just his frontend.
Something like Jane in Orson Scott Card's "Speaker For the Dead". So
he is more of a phenomenon than a program, and doesn't have an
operating system as such.

-- 
 Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
             Try again. Try harder. -*-  Fail again. Fail better.

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