From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #334 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/334 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 334 Today's Topics: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #332 Re: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus [B7L] Re: Farscape [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #333 [B7L] Re: ALert! "Avona" is actually going to DEFEND Tarrant. [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #331 [B7L] Re: Avon's shooting [B7L] Re: fanfic? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:34:40 +0000 From: roddy wraith To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #332 Message-ID: <384426D0.75169A61@diamond.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when i subscibed to blake 7;which i love, i thought i would get sent viedo info.. and books.and maby some pics..but unfortunatly i was getting stuff i couldn't understand !!! sorry for inconveniance rodders.....(gy)... blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote: > > Subject: > > blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 332 > > Today's Topics: > [B7L] Roddy > Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > [B7L] Pattern of Infinity completed > Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment > Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > RE: [B7L] You know you've seen too much B7 when... > [B7L] RE: Odd thought re: Avon > RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion > [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion > [B7L] updated web-pages > [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert > Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert > Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > [B7L] Sarcophagus > RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment > Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus > RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus > Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [B7L] Roddy > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:23:54 +0000 > From: Steve Rogerson > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > CC: roddy.wraith@diamond.co.uk > > Roddy wrote: > > "DO NOT SEND ANY MORE MAIL..OR I WILL CONTACT MY NETWORK SUPPLYER > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" > > I think maybe a better way to phrase this would be something along the > lines of: "Can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe from the list, please". > Remember, you must have actually subscribed to it in the first place, > and therefore received unsubscribe instructions, so you can't be > surprised that you are getting the digest. By the way, you spelt > "supplier" wrong. > > -- > cheers > Steve Rogerson > http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson > > "In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like > ponies" > The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:12:01 +1100 > From: Kathryn Andersen > To: "Blake's 7 list" > > On Sun, Nov 28, 1999 at 07:43:53PM -0000, Kayleigh Z Banks wrote: > > On that theme, his inability to deal decisively with the computer guy on the > > prison ship, I've always attributed to the fact that all the prisoners were > > treated with suppressants, so he was probably not as alert as he could have > > been. (As I said, I'll forgive him just about anything!) > > > Well, since the revolt was pre-planned, I would have expected Avon, > like the other key members of it, to have refrained from eating and > drinking so as to avoid the suppressants, so that doesn't wash. > > > > I think we'd all secretly like to be like Avon, after all, wouldn't we just > > love to be as rude as he is and get away with it? As for his pessimism, it > > does have its compensations - as the saying goes 's**t happens' and when it > > does at least the pessimists have the satisfaction of knowing they were > > right! The optimists just get more disappointment. > > Well, this just shows that people have different reasons for liking > Avon, doesn't it? I don't secretly want to be like Avon - I already > *am* like Avon. In some respects. And I really don't want to be as > rude as he is, whether I got away with it or not. I just want to > hug him and make it all better. 8-) > > Kathryn Andersen > A.S.K.S. (Avon's Sympathetic Kindred Spirits) > -- > _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen > / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat > \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" > v | > ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere > Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:11:11 EST > From: "Joanne MacQueen" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > >From: Kathryn Andersen > >I just want to hug him and make it all better. 8-) > > And, of course, I shouldn't be mentioning those who would be administering > the hug for other reasons. > > Regards > Joanne > (looking for high ground, lest she be washed away by an ocean of drool) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [B7L] Pattern of Infinity completed > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 04:53:00 GMT > From: s.thompson8@genie.com > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > CC: freedom-city@blakes-7.org > > I'm forwarding a message from a B7 author, "J. Kel," whose "Pattern > of Infinity" series first began to appear in zines ten years ago > (=Input= #s 2-4 and =Dark between the Stars= #s 3-5; not to be > confused with a different PGP series of the same title by Ana > Dorfstad, which was in =Enarrare=). The author has been good > enough to respond to the pleas of fans who wanted to read more of > his work, and the full series is now about to go up on the B7 fan > fiction archive. > > I strongly recommend this excellent gen novel! > > Forwarded message follows: > > >>>This is to inform you that the Pattern of Infinity stories are > now complete. Episodes I through XI are on-line; episode XII and > the epilogue will follow in a few days. In addition to completing > the tale, I have also revised and corrected episodes I through VI. > I have even added an Introduction, so for those readers who have > wondered, they will now know how the whole thing came about. > > The final six stories (I'm including episode VIII in that tally) > were written over a period of fourteen months. I wanted them to be > special and to that end I gave them everything I had. It was by > far the most involved and sustained writing project I have ever > attempted. And while there are no merchandising tie-ins or special > effects, I feel the final result is solid. That judgment, however, > is reserved for the reader. > > The URL is: //www.oddworldz.com/b7fanfiction/archive.html > The Series is E. > > How I get paid . . . > > I am currently taking four months off before tackling my next > writing project, a serious attempt at a serious novel in a time and > place far removed from B7. It would be extremely helpful to get as > much feedback as I can regarding PoI to guide me: e.g. what I did > right and what I need to work on. > > So, I am asking that you read/reread Pattern of Infinity from the > beginning. A lot of changes were made as a result of how the > series finally turned out. Core story logic was unaffected, > however. > > Finally, spreading the word as far and wide as possible is crucial. > > If you like the PoI stories, let me know, tell your friends. > If you hate the PoI stories, let me know, tell your friends. > If you have mixed feelings . . . you get the idea. > > In short, I accept all forms of payment except indifference. :*) > Thank you again for your interest and support. > > J. L. Quel<<< > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 01:24:25 EST > From: Pherber@aol.com > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > In a message dated 11/28/99 2:06:36 PM Mountain Standard Time, > Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com writes: > > > Didn't Dayna "invent" one of those, or do you see Dayna's invention as > > something more ? > > > I got the impression that Dayna's invention was more along the lines of a > target tracking lock, that would automatically follow the target once it > locked on, rather than being related to firing the thing -- but Avon > certainly noticed the *feedback* of it dragging his hand along, yes. > > Nina > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:28:42 +0100 > From: Jacqueline Thijsen > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > Joanne wrote: > > > > >From: Jacqueline Thijsen > > >To drag this posting kicking and screaming back on topic: I > > >wonder how a > > >certain snarly Liberator crewmember would react to being > > >told to forgive his > > >enemies. I think he would be quite willing to forgive his > > >enemies. Right after he'd killed them. > > > > Or at least after he'd given them permanent brain damage by > > thumping them > > over the head with one of those overgrown family bible things. > > > > The Word of God as a really dangerous, physical thing, hmmm... > > Yes, I can see Avon getting religion for that reason. > > Jacqueline > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:51:07 +0000 > From: Steve Kilbane > To: Lysator > > > > Insofar > > > as you aim at > > > any particular part of the target, you go for the torso, since this > > > represents the largest target area (as well as containing all > > > the vital organs). > > > > I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. > > Not true. It's down to two things: > > 1. On handguns, the barrel is really short, and you don't get that > much accuracy to begin with. This doesn't make difference on a sf gun, > usually. > > 2. Much more importantly, small errors in positioning your hand amplify > dramatically over the distances involved, so it's really easy to miss. > > The recoil only kicks in, if you'll excuse the pun, after you take your > first shot, and will throw your aim off even more, for the next shot. In > terms of taking that first shot, you're more likely to be affected by changing > hand position as you pull the trigger, press the button, or whatever. > > Try this: get your hands on a laser pointer, and point it at something over > four feet away, and then turn it on. Hitting anything smaller than six > inches across quickly gets hard. > > I can accept Avon learning how to shoot, after deciding it would be necessary. > Peter O'Donnell's Modesty Blaise character occasionally mentions spending > hours a day, every day, for years, just practising quick-draw shooting. Her > opinion was that she'd only need it a few times in her life, but it was > worth putting in the practice because she'd need it to survive. > > It's a shame, really: just think what Avon *could* have been doing with all > those spare hours... > > steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [B7L] You know you've seen too much B7 when... > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:34:12 +0100 > From: Jacqueline Thijsen > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > Joanne wrote: > > > > >From: Jacqueline Thijsen > > >Britney Spears sings 'Baby one more time' on MTV and you > > >hear her singing 'Oh Bayban, baby'. > > > > Oh, poor Jacqueline! Here you go > version of damp cloth to mop fevered brow> > > Thanks Joanne, I feel much better now. > > Jacqueline > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [B7L] RE: Odd thought re: Avon > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:43:51 -0700 > From: Penny Dreadful > To: Lysator > > At 08:55 PM 28/11/99 +0100, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote: > > >I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. The gun > >Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something equally SF-ish and > >was therefore recoilless, and might well have some kind of feedback that > >makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. They already do this > >for computer extensions such as the mouse, so it's not so strange to expect > >something similar to be developed for weapons. That would explain Avon's > >steep learning curve when it came to shooting: he'd have to get used to how > >the feedback related to the real world, but once he had developed a feel for > >that, hitting a target, no matter how small, would have become child's play. > > Jacqueline, I must say, despite my dread of having people invoke > "Squirble's Law" (which I assume to be one of the rules that govern > "Mornington Crescent"), that that is a *brilliant* idea. > -- > For A Dread Time, Call Penny: > http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:41:41 +0100 > From: Jacqueline Thijsen > To: "Blake's 7 list" > > Kathryn wrote: > > > Well, this just shows that people have different reasons for liking > > Avon, doesn't it? I don't secretly want to be like Avon - I already > > *am* like Avon. In some respects. And I really don't want to be as > > rude as he is, whether I got away with it or not. I just want to > > hug him and make it all better. 8-) > > I think you'd do so at your own risk. The only times Avon hugged and/or > kissed a woman he didn't have a relationship with, he did so to get some > kind of advantage, like getting the ring from the alien, or getting > Servalan's guard down and then humiliating her (hey, I never said he was a > *nice* guy, but I like him anyway). And even Anna didn't survive it in the > end. > > Jacqueline > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:07:13 +0000 (GMT) > From: Iain Coleman > To: Una McCormack > CC: "Blake's 7 list" > > On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Una McCormack wrote: > > > > > Isn't there meant to be some sort of element of penalty: i.e. payment for a > > crime committed? Maybe retribution carries the wrong overtones from the > > sense I was trying to convey. > > Atonement. > > And you really are irretrievably lapsed if you're forgetting your > confessional terminology, my child. > > Iain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:10:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Peter Borg > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > Or rather, being dragged back kicking and screaming. > > I got up on Sunday morning, pottered about in the > study for ten minutes, reading email and such, and > then decided to sit in front of the telly with a nice > cup of tea. > > So, flicking through the channels, I come across > UK-Gold showing B7, and within about 4 words being > said was so completely hooked I watched it through to > the end, and it wasn't exactly the best of episodes > (at least, not from the point at which I watched it). > > I've seen all of the episodes more times than I care > to consider, and have even spent a week watching the > whole lot from beginning to end (I was off work and > unable to walk very far). > > The episode was "Rescue"; I broke in at the point at > which Avon is discussing Orac with Dorian. > > Soolin's charachter at this point hasn't settled down > and is a little wooden, Dorian hams it up beautifully > at the end, the monster costume in the cave is from Dr > Who and therefore suitably dreadful, and every wall > that Dayna or Tarrant touched wobbled like a piece of > cardboard (hmm, wonder why?). Not to mention Danya's > not-very-good-attempt at being scared. > > But it was glorious, and I will very likely be up in > time to watch it from the beginning next week. Despite > owning all the videos, there's something about > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of > digital TV over video tape). > > Peter. (hooked again) > > ===== > -- > Peter Borg > peter_borg@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:47:46 -0000 > From: "Una McCormack" > To: > > Peter wrote: > > > So, flicking through the channels, I come across > > UK-Gold showing B7, and within about 4 words being > > said was so completely hooked I watched it through to > > the end, and it wasn't exactly the best of episodes > > (at least, not from the point at which I watched it). > > > > But it was glorious, and I will very likely be up in > > time to watch it from the beginning next week. Despite > > owning all the videos, there's something about > > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of > > digital TV over video tape). > > Peter, I know exactly what you mean. I hadn't watched any B7 for ages until > the other night, and I had felt really 'off' it. Then I watched back 'Blake' > and remembered just why it is I adore this programme. > > You're also completely right that there's a difference watching it on TV > rather than a video. > > Una > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Punishment for Desertion > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:44:38 -0000 > From: "Una McCormack" > To: "Blake's 7 list" > > Iain wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Una McCormack wrote: > > > > > Isn't there meant to be some sort of element of penalty: i.e. payment > for a > > > crime committed? Maybe retribution carries the wrong overtones from the > > > sense I was trying to convey. > > > > Atonement. > > > > And you really are irretrievably lapsed if you're forgetting your > > confessional terminology, my child. > > Too bloody right. > > Una > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [B7L] updated web-pages > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:22:37 +1100 (EST) > From: kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list) > > I got a prod to go and put some more things up on my Blake's 7 web > page when someone on another list pointed out (off-topic) a web page > with Star Trek vs Blake's 7 stuff on it, I looked at it, wandered > around the page a bit, and discovered that it was half full of > postings *I* had made to aus.sf more than ten years ago. > (Particularly the address list which I used to maintain.) > After writing a stiff letter to the person, I also figured that if my > words were good enough for someone else to rip off, then maybe I > should go through some of my old postings and polish them up and put > them on my page. So I have. > Added to my page are > - my original Blake's 7 verus Star Trek posting of 1988 > - my Kerr-Avon-is-like-Oliver-Sampson posting > - a summary of the what if Blake's 7 was in the Sime/Gen universe > discussion > - a little bit about SAAB and Blake's 7 > - and some silly bits > > http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat/b7 > > Of course now I've run out of energy, it will probably be a while > until I do another burst of updating. > > -- > _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen > / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat > \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" > v | > ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere > Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:02:15 -0000 > From: "Alison Page" > To: "lysator" > > 'Farscape' 6.20 BBC2 > > Review in the 'Guardian' > > 'Not the most original sci-fi series out there - the crew-who-don't-get-on' > scenario is pure Blakes 7, while the effects owe much to Babylon 5. But > enjoyable hokum' > > Might be worth checking out? > > Alison > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:36:02 -0000 > From: "Neil Faulkner" > To: "b7" > > Jacqueline wrote: > >Neil wrote: > >> I've always been led to understand that in real life, if you > >> have to use a > >> gun, you can't do anything more than shoot to hit. Insofar > >> as you aim at > >> any particular part of the target, you go for the torso, since this > >> represents the largest target area (as well as containing all > >> the vital organs). > > > >I've heard this, too, but I believe this is because of the recoil. The gun > >Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something equally SF-ish and > >was therefore recoilless, and might well have some kind of feedback that > >makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. They already do this > >for computer extensions such as the mouse, so it's not so strange to expect > >something similar to be developed for weapons. That would explain Avon's > >steep learning curve when it came to shooting: he'd have to get used to how > >the feedback related to the real world, but once he had developed a feel > for > >that, hitting a target, no matter how small, would have become child's > play. > > Like I said, I've had no real combat experience. I have played a laser tag > game (with recoiless guns) where I proved my total inability to distinguish > friend from foe, which might have been a bad thing If I'd managed to hit > anyone at all. At the end of the day, whether you use a bullet or a laser > bolt, you've still got to point it in the right direction, so the smaller > the target the more you stand to miss. In a real life-or-death situation > armed with a Ray Gun (TM), you would surely still shoot to hit and assess > the consequences afterwards. > > Neil > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:28:22 -0000 > From: "Kayleigh Z Banks" > To: > > > > >Well, since the revolt was pre-planned, I would have >expected Avon, > >like the other key members of it, to have refrained from >eating and > >drinking so as to avoid the suppressants, so that doesn't >wash. > > > > Well, if we're going to nit-pick: > > Blake only approached Avon a few minutes before expecting him to act, > therefore Avon would not have had any opportunity to fast. > > Kayleigh > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] enjoyable hokum alert > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:33:14 -0000 > From: "Una McCormack" > To: "lysator" > > Alison wrote: > > > 'Farscape' 6.20 BBC2 > > > > Review in the 'Guardian' > > > > 'Not the most original sci-fi series out there - the > crew-who-don't-get-on' > > scenario is pure Blakes 7, while the effects owe much to Babylon 5. But > > enjoyable hokum' > > > > Might be worth checking out? > > This was rather more passable than could be reasonably expected. I've > clearly spent too much time watching Star Trek. > > 'The crew-who-don't-get-on' scenario, hmm? How about 'the > crew-of-escaped-prisoners-who-pinch-a-ship-*and*-who-don't-get-on' scenario? > > Una > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:37:20 -0000 > From: "Andrew Ellis" > To: "Lysator" > > >> From: Jacqueline Thijsen > >> > >> >The gun > >> >Avon was using worked with photons or rays or something > >> >equally SF-ish and was therefore recoilless, > >> > >> Well actually........ Think about it, conservation of > >> momentum and all that. > > > >Thought about it..... I don't recall ever feeling a recoil when I switched > >on a flashlight, which sends out quite a few photons. > > But hardly enough photons to do any damage to anything. Photons DO have > momentum. If you were lucky enough to do A-Level physics, you might recall a > little experiment where a little paddle wheel is suspended from near > frictionless bearing in a vacuum. One side of each paddle is silvered, the > other blacked. When you shine a bright light on it, it rotates. i.e. it > gains momentum from the photons in the light beam. QED. > > Now, ignoring the effects of focussing for the moment (BIG assumption), if > you are going to launch sufficient photons for their impact on a target / > absorption by a target, then conservation of momentum states (or Newton's > Law > "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" if you like) that > there will be a significant force on the gun. i.e. a recoil. Now FOCUSSING. > Total energy/momentum can't be avoided. But lets say that my gun emits two > photons simultaneously, one towards the target, and the other away, carrying > away the excess momentum. I need more power (at least twice as much), but > did you see the battery packs for the liberator guns. Net result - no > recoil. Problem, holder of gun is damaged to the same extent as target. > Solution, apply two lenses, one complex lens, with many elements, perhaps > in an advanced civilisation constructed from a single Perspex rod which > concentrates the beam on the target. The other lens is a big divergent lens, > like a huge ring, perhaps with a secondary rim like lens around its > circumference. This reduces the intensity of the beam, preventing damage to > the user, and MOST IMPORTANTLY gives a nice satisfying glow when the gun is > fired. QED. > > > > > >> >and might well have some kind of feedback that > >> >makes you 'feel' the texture of what you're aiming at. > >> > >> Didn't Dayna "invent" one of those, or do you see Dayna's invention as > >> something more ? > > > >No, I just didn't remember Dayna's invention. Sorry, it's been a while > since > >I had time to watch even my new video's, let alone the old ones. I still > >have to watch video's 24 and 25. In which episode did Dayna invent this > >weapon? > > Aftermath, Series 3, Episode 1. > > Andrew > > p.s. I happened to see Orac last night, and from the way Avon is staggering > down a near scree slope after "that hand shot", he might well have been > aiming at Servalan. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:49:24 PST > From: "Sally Manton" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > Kathryn wrote: > > > > Nice idea and all that - I adore Dark and Dysfunctional, but > I can't help thinking that it would be like trying to hug a > seriously annoyed bolt of lightning... > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:03:28 -0800 > From: mistral@ptinet.net > To: B7 List > > Kayleigh wrote: > > > I think we'd all secretly like to be like Avon, after all, wouldn't we just > > love to be as rude as he is and get away with it? As for his pessimism, it > > does have its compensations > > Bite your tongue. Avon's a realist, not a pessimist. > > Interestingly, I read somewhere recently that a study had been > done that showed that pessimists actually have a more accurate > view of reality than optimists do. (Although, I have to admit this > makes me wonder if it doesn't just mean that the scientists who > set up the tests were all pessimists.) > > Welcome, Kayleigh > Mistral > -- > "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" > --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:45:28 -0800 > From: mistral@ptinet.net > To: B7 List > > Peter Borg wrote: > > > Despite > > owning all the videos, there's something about > > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of > > digital TV over video tape). > > I've noticed this myself; plus I get the same sensation with > listening to the radio, vs. an album. I've narrowed it down > to two possible causes: 1) it feels less like a solitary pursuit, > because you know subconciously that others are tuned in > as well (?) 2) it helps in the suspension of disbelief, because > it seems more 'live', as if you're observing from a distance > something that's actually happening (?). > > Has anybody else got any thoughts on this? > > Mistral > -- > "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" > --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Odd thought re: Avon > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:32:47 -0800 > From: mistral@ptinet.net > To: B7 List > > Neil Faulkner wrote: > > > In a real life-or-death situation > > armed with a Ray Gun (TM), you would surely still shoot to hit and assess > > the consequences afterwards. > > A prescription for disaster if I ever heard one. Even if the bullet/ray > kills, the target doesn't drop immediately; that's a TV fiction. Had > Avon actually hit Travis in the head, there's a good chance that > Travis would have still shot Blake, either deliberately, or with a > dying reflex. The hand shot disabled the weapon. (Plus, Servalan > might have been in the way of a clear shot at Travis's head, IIRC.) > > You *have* to think about the consequences before you shoot; > and preferably, before you pick up the gun. Not doing so will > get you killed. > > Mind you, I'm not saying the hand shot would be a viable option > for 99.9 % of anybody armed with today's weaponry, but with the > feedback idea Jacqueline's described (which is a wonderful idea > that explains for a change why the good guys almost always hit > what they aim at, and the bad guys never do), it might be with a > Liberator gun. > > Mistral (who is also not much good at laser tag) > -- > "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!" > --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [B7L] Sarcophagus > Date: 29 Nov 1999 13:41:21 -0800 > From: David Walsh > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > My partner and I, were watching B7 last night, the episode Sarcophagus. > Now he really is a new fan, so we are watching all of B7 in order. > What I want to know is, were Avon's and Tarrant's emotions real on the flight deck, or was it to do with the Blue eggy thing, Cally brought on board. > Because I really don't remember Tarrant getting that shirty, and he shouldn't have anyway. > I agree with Avon it was his ship, no Blake, and Tarrant was a newcomer anyway....... > > Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. > > _________________________________________ > Get free email at http://mail.handbag.com > and visit www.handbag.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [B7L] Re:crime and punishment > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:49:37 EST > From: "Joanne MacQueen" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > >From: Jacqueline Thijsen > >Joanne wrote: > > > Or at least after he'd given them permanent brain damage by > > > thumping them > > > over the head with one of those overgrown family bible things. > > > The Word of God as a really dangerous, physical thing, hmmm... > >Yes, I can see Avon getting religion for that reason. > > I must confess, that if he was anything like me on the matter of the more > evangelical religious groups, Avon wouldn't need to get religion at all. A > rolled-up copy of The Watchtower might drive off all but the most > determined, I suspect. > > Regards > Joanne > (with the image of Avon armed with nothing but beforementioned publication, > driving away the people who dared to ring the doorbell on Xenon, while Vila > laughs his head off...) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:09:53 EST > From: "Joanne MacQueen" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > >From: David Walsh > >Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. > > Oh my God! > > Welcome, your Fabulousness, and what a divine name for an e-mail provider > > > Oh, and beware of the Godmother and her Tarrant Nostran minions, who might > want to explain a few things to you about Tarrant > > Regards > Joanne > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:11:58 EST > From: "Joanne MacQueen" > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > >From: "Sally Manton" > > > > > >Nice idea and all that - I adore Dark and Dysfunctional, but > >I can't help thinking that it would be like trying to hug a > >seriously annoyed bolt of lightning... > > Sally, I love this image. Thank you. > > Regards > Joanne > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Getting back into B7 > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:25:02 -0000 > From: "Una McCormack" > To: , "B7 List" > > Mistral wrote: > > > Peter Borg wrote: > > > > > Despite > > > owning all the videos, there's something about > > > watching it on telly (more than the better quality of > > > digital TV over video tape). > > > > I've noticed this myself; plus I get the same sensation with > > listening to the radio, vs. an album. I've narrowed it down > > to two possible causes: 1) it feels less like a solitary pursuit, > > because you know subconciously that others are tuned in > > as well (?) > > Definitely that one. That's what I've always thought. Condemned me to many > nights of repeats and VH1 rather than interesting things I've taped. > > Una > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:27:15 -0000 > From: "Una McCormack" > To: > > Welcome, Supremity! > > From: David Walsh > > > My partner and I, were watching B7 last night, the episode Sarcophagus. > > Now he really is a new fan, so we are watching all of B7 in order. > > What I want to know is, were Avon's and Tarrant's emotions real on the > flight deck, or was it to do with the Blue eggy thing, Cally brought on > board. > > I always thought that the blue eggy thing heightened emotions that were at > least partially there. > > Cool domain name, Servie! > > Una > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon:ATA > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:24:02 -0000 > From: "Una McCormack" > To: "B7 List" > > Mistral wrote: > > > Interestingly, I read somewhere recently that a study had been > > done that showed that pessimists actually have a more accurate > > view of reality than optimists do. (Although, I have to admit this > > makes me wonder if it doesn't just mean that the scientists who > > set up the tests were all pessimists.) > > Yeah, I came across that one when I was studying clinical psychology. It was > 'proven' in a study that depressives had a better grasp of reality than > happy people. > > Una > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [B7L] Sarcophagus > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:49:15 +0000 > From: Julia Jones > To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se > > In message <19991129214121.20524.cpmta@c004.sfo.cp.net>, David Walsh > writes > >Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. > > And very welcome too:-) Love the domain name... > -- > Julia Jones > "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" > The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 09:22:53 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Message-ID: <19991130222253.11409.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Mac4781@aol.com > > Tarrant is the rash one and Avon the sensible one. Really, they're >very > > cute together. >Scrumptiously cute. Oh Lord, man the lifeboats, the drool tsunami is nigh! Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:16:27 +0000 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus Message-ID: In message <199911300635.GAA22042@rock103.genie.net>, s.thompson8@genie.com writes >With regard to what was really going on in Sarcophagus, this seems to be (as >Joanne suggested) a key point of division between Tarrant fans and anti- >Tarrant fans. Those who dislike Tall and Toothy see it as evidence of what >a mean bully he was to poor little Avon. Those who like him consider both >of them, perhaps especially Tarrant, to have been under the malign influence >of the blue egg at the time. While I frequently consider Tarrant to be a waste of space that would be better occupied by Blake (for numerous reasons that would only annoy Carol if she had to listen to them again, so I won't bother listing them), I do think the blue egg is to blame for this charming little spat. Avon and Tarrant don't always like each other, but they're both well aware that it's one of the problems of having to live with someone whose personality isn't entirely compatible with your own. My impression is that the egg is deliberately prodding the niggles that both of them would normally be sensible enough to ignore. Tarrant's easier to prod, since he's usually more open about his emotions anyway, so he's the one who ends up saying *exactly* what's on his mind - even if it is irrational. The bit where he realises that they've both been prats, and sort-of apologises is one of his more likable moments:-) -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 00:19:46 +0000 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Farscape Message-ID: <384469A1.144D5FF2@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of people mentioned Farscape in the latest digest. We have just had the first episode of it in the UK this week and we are discussing it on the spin list. It would be nice therefore if those who have seen lots of it hold back on potential spoilers. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like ponies" The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:51:57 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #333 Message-ID: <38449B5D.37CB@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In a message dated 11/29/99 2:42:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, > davidw@handbag.com writes: > > > Servalan At Last Is On Lysator............. > > Welcome, Supreme Empress! > I take it, this is the David Walsh who I have heard highly praised? Welcome indeed! --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:06:04 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: ALert! "Avona" is actually going to DEFEND Tarrant. Message-ID: <38449EAC.3878@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally asked: > Now I know Toothy has ego to burn (they nearly all do ) but > as a matter of fact...yes, he was a high-flyer in the FSA, but > that's nothing to be proud of, given that by now he *surely* > realises he was a willing and valuable part of a force of > oppression. He may have been a pilot for bad people, but he was a good pilot. He proved, presumably, his reflexes, his intelligence, his planning skills, and so forth. He may not be proud of the use those skills were put to, but he can be proud of the skills. And he deserted, throwing all of that dubious > success away anyway. Oh, first you criticize him for being the tool of the evil regime, and then for refusing to be used any longer. From his point of view, he broke away from his social training to see the dark side of the Federation and refused to serve further. We have no details of his mercenary > career, but he landed on the Liberator with nothing more than > the (stolen) clothes on his back, so there's no reason to > believe he was any more than mildly competent at that --I could be wrong, but didn't he indicate he'd ended up there because he (like the crew of the Liberator) chose to fight the Andromedians to save Humanity? > He's now > in precisely the same (figurative) boat as Avon, members of > a crew on a ship still thought of by the outside world as > Blake's. He has made no *more* of a success of his life than > Avon - they both had chances, and blew them. I don't see willingly deserting from an 'evil' army the same as being caught with your hand in the financial cookie jar. I think the reason his attitude was so annoying was, he had a *point*. (Oh, dear, and this could explain why Blake fans get so irritated by the Dark One) --Avona "Deflector sheilds up. The Tarrant Nostra recruiters are coming!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:33:44 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #331 Message-ID: <3844A528.7BA7@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Helen later added: > >Yes! Shooting those tiny cameras made one > >*heck* of an impression on me the first time I saw Horizon. > > Far more of an impression than: > VHWWAAAPP > ''Oh bugger!'' > VHWAAPP > ''Shit, missed -again-!'' > VVHHHWWAAAAPPPP > ''Gotcha, you sonofa-'' > > Neil Neil, said scene would have made an UNFORGETTABLE impression on me. I want to see that written into the script if the show's ever revived. And of course, cameras pan to the expression on his comrades' face as they watch on in disbelief. ROFLMAO! --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:33:57 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon's shooting Message-ID: <3844A535.81C@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Helen later added: > >Yes! Shooting those tiny cameras made one > >*heck* of an impression on me the first time I saw Horizon. > > Far more of an impression than: > VHWWAAAPP > ''Oh bugger!'' > VHWAAPP > ''Shit, missed -again-!'' > VVHHHWWAAAAPPPP > ''Gotcha, you sonofa-'' > > Neil Neil, said scene would have made an UNFORGETTABLE impression on me. I want to see that written into the script if the show's ever revived. And of course, cameras pan to the expression on his comrades' face as they watch on in disbelief. ROFLMAO! --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:37:25 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: fanfic? Message-ID: <3844A605.C1C@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > OK, I was working on a Buffy the Vampire Slayer-B7 crossover, and it made > me start viewing anything strange in a different light. In Buffy-land, > the simple fact Avon had brought up the time/life span factor instead of > the working alone element made his insight suspicious. Plus, there's the > fact that weird basements where strange things happen mean only one thing > in Sunnydale. > > Ellynne > Ellynne, if you want to share, I *love* your thinking. Please, let me read your fanfic. Off-topic, I'm working on "Twas the Night Before Hogswatch", and I know there's lots of Discworld fans here. If anyone wants to read it when I finish, email me off list and I will send it to you in time for the holidays. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #334 **************************************