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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 312
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
Re: [B7L] Project Avalon vs. Rumours of Death
Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
Re: [B7L] Project Avalon vs. Rumours of Death
Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
[B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #311
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
[B7L] Re: The Quibell Abduction
RE: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
[B7L] Re: The Quibell Abduction
Re: [B7L] Project Avalon vs. Rumours of Death
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
Re: [B7L] More squashing on the ladder...
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:18:05 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
Message-ID: <19991104.093227.10262.3.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 01:45:22 PST "Rob Clother" It also explained why he
>never
>responded to any of Jenna's advances. Whatever her charms, she could
>not
>offer Blake what he wanted, and so she didn't have a cat in Hell's
>chances
>of getting *that* close to him.
OK, I'm a little confused. If Blake wanted family and family ties,
pursuing a relationship with Jenna (at least up to the point of feeling
comfortable asking how she feels about kids) seems to make sense (I'm not
sure what Jenna would say, actually, since part of her seemed to long for
things along those lines and part of her seemed to enjoy her tough,
independent lifestyle).
Next source of confusion: I thought they were close.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:32:24 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Project Avalon vs. Rumours of Death
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On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:23:26 -0000 "Andrew Ellis" >And of course, what of
the crew. Nowhere does it suggest that Avon did
>not
>attempt fraud, that Vila was not a thief, that Jenna was not a
>smuggler,
>that Gan did not kill a man. Would Blake re-instate their sentences,
>or
>quash their convictions because they were lucky enough to escape and
>risk
>destroying the entire rule of law ?
>
Just IMHO, but Gan's killing has always suggested some form of
justifiable homicide (although I wondered if his limitor didn't cut more
deeply against his violent impulses than we thought, maybe the homicidal
nut who appeared when it malfunctioned was the real him). Smuggling could
have been viewed as a rational activity by the Freedom Party (they may
have relied on it, and Jenna avoided the murkier, drug running side of
her profession).
As for Avon, the fact the government viewed his attempt as political
would give Blake the excuse he needed to overlook it without compromising
himself in the public's mind. From what we see of Vila, he wasn't part
of a gang when he was caught, so he he was probably picked up for minor
theft. A pardon or commuting the sentence to time served shouldn't cause
too much trouble.
While consorting with known criminals could be used against Blake's
public image, his loyalty and trustworthiness would also be important. He
talks good, but if he throws his friends to the wolves, who'll believe
him?
Ellynne (who would probably be in Hufflepuff)
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:16:35 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
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Ellyne:
>OK, I'm a little confused. If Blake wanted family and family ties,
>pursuing a relationship with Jenna (at least up to the point of feeling
>comfortable asking how she feels about kids) seems to make sense (I'm not
>sure what Jenna would say, actually, since part of her seemed to long for
>things along those lines and part of her seemed to enjoy her tough,
>independent lifestyle).
There's not enough information in the canon, is there? It's anyone's guess
what her reaction would be. We know she believed in Blake, and that she'd
stick by him through thick and thin, at least while they were on the
Liberator, but if and when circumstances changed...
Anyway, the question is closely related to the next question:
>Next source of confusion: I thought they were close.
It seemed pretty much one way to me. I'm not aware of any examples of Blake
treating Jenna any differently to the other members of his crew. "Voice
from the Past" could be cited, but it's fair to say his behaviour was
atypical at the time. Now that in itself begs the question, why? I mean,
these people were stuck on board a ship together for a good couple of years,
and we're never shown anything like the Avon/Cally scenes that pop up
sporadically throughout Season 3. If there was anything bubbling under the
surface there, you'd have thought even Blake would give away a few telltale
signs.
If, for the sake of the argument, you accept that Blake wasn't especially
fond of Jenna [Canonical counterexamples more than welcome!], you'll
probably start wondering what Inga had that Jenna didn't. Thing is, Blake
had known Inga from a very young age. He knew her background, he knew her
family, he knew her loyalty to her family. Jenna was loyal to Blake
himself, but would she be loyal to a load of little Blakelets? I mean, she
was an entrepreneur and a smuggler. Quite sexy and exciting, but not
exactly reliable. Besides, she was part of Blake's struggle against the
Federation. There was always going to come a time, at least so he thought,
when he'd be able to put all that behind him and leave the fighting to
someone else. The fact that it all went pear-shaped on him could explain
why he was hob-nobbing with Jenna again by the end, and why he snapped at
Tarrant for suggesting that he'd turned her in.
It adds up. At least, I think it does...
-- Rob
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:08:16 PST
From: redesdale@excite.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
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On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:16:35 PST, Rob Clother wrote:
> >Next source of confusion: I thought they were close.
>
> It seemed pretty much one way to me. I'm not aware of any examples of
Blake
> treating Jenna any differently to the other members of his crew. "Voice
> from the Past" could be cited, but it's fair to say his behaviour was
> atypical at the time.
The piece of Voice from the Past that suggests closeness between
them, from Blake's side, is that Jenna knows more about the Freedom
Party than the others. Blake told her about it before he started
getting the signals from Glynd, IIRC.
> If, for the sake of the argument, you accept that Blake wasn't especially
> fond of Jenna [Canonical counterexamples more than welcome!],
There is that handholding in the one with the freeze-dried aliens,
and they have some conspiratorial scenes in the first season. Sicne
you asked. ;-)
> There was always going to come a time, at least so he thought,
> when he'd be able to put all that behind him and leave the fighting to
> someone else.
Or he knew the chances of survival weren't good and it would've
been cruel to add more emotional suffering to the risks he was
already asking her to undertake. Or he felt he couldn't give
enough to a relationship, or not as much as Jenna wanted/needed/
deserved, because of his commitment to the fight/personal problems
from his mindwipe, torture, and fun-filled 4 years of zombiehood.
The fact that it all went pear-shaped on him could explain
> why he was hob-nobbing with Jenna again by the end, and why he snapped at
> Tarrant for suggesting that he'd turned her in.
Chris M.
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:16:52 PST
From: redesdale@excite.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Project Avalon vs. Rumours of Death
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On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:23:26 -0000, Andrew Ellis wrote:
> And of course, what of the crew. Nowhere does it suggest that Avon did
not
> attempt fraud, that Vila was not a thief, that Jenna was not a smuggler,
> that Gan did not kill a man. Would Blake re-instate their sentences, or
> quash their convictions because they were lucky enough to escape and risk
> destroying the entire rule of law ?
The acts of the crew in helping to defeat the Federation is more than
enough to fully justify Blake, were he to become President of a new
government, pardoning all of them. It isn't a matter of luck--they
stayed on and joined the struggle when they could've run away. They
have more than redeemed themselves for any past transgressions against
the state. Future transgressions would be another matter, of course.
> But don't worry, that inherent conflict of "Why ?" is, for me, part of
the
> show's appeal.
It isn't a conflict at all to me, but whatever makes you happy. ;-)
Governments offer immunity to criminals for aiding the state all the
time, with much lower returns and less impressive reasons.
> Perhaps the best plan was the original plan, where individual worlds
declare
> independence from the Federation, and the Federation is dissolved, rather
> than destroyed.
Canonically, it seems pretty evident that dissolution is not an option
and only destruction can give the outer worlds and places like Albian
the autonomy they wanted. AFAIK, that was the plan Blake was sticking
to, regardless of the plans Avon was making for him.
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:11:17 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avalon/Rumours/Blake-o-phile stuff
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Kai wrote his most recent excellent post, and I jotted some stuff down
rather quickly. A lot of you have taken the time to flesh out some of the
points (and so reach different and interesting conclusions). All good stuff,
and I'm off to digest it. I'll get back to you soon.
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:17:47 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] squash ladder
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 15:32:16 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Shadow should be above Harvest of Kairos.
I wouldn't think this requires much proof, so I'll just say
that moon discs beat Boris any day.
Cheers,
Mistral
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 11:05:10 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>Shadow should be above Harvest of Kairos.
>
>I wouldn't think this requires much proof, so I'll just say
>that moon discs beat Boris any day.
Oh, I don't know, <grin> they appear to move at about the same speed!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:27:27 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> And of course, what of the crew. Nowhere does it suggest that Avon did not
> attempt fraud, that Vila was not a thief, that Jenna was not a smuggler,
> that Gan did not kill a man. Would Blake re-instate their sentences, or
> quash their convictions because they were lucky enough to escape and risk
> destroying the entire rule of law ?
>
My word, what a question! I don't think over turning the convictions in
these, and indeed, a vast majority of cases would overturn the rule of
law. Amnesty has been a tradition with changes of government since
fuedal times. Surely Blake wouldn't make his comrades pay the price for
helping him succeed? I rather think he tends to tell himself that a
corrupt system makes lawbreakers. But he'd do well to keep most of them
(especially Avon!) where he could keep an eye on them.
He would know that Vila is unreformable, and therefore would have to get
creative about him. But there's always the possibility of using him as a
security advisor.
--Avona
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:47:48 -0800
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> >that moon discs beat Boris any day.
>
> Oh, I don't know, <grin> they appear to move at about the same speed!
True. But the moon discs move far more stylishly.
Cheers,
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 99 06:01:00 GMT
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This is excellent! I hunted literally for years to find a copy of the now-
scarce first edition, so I'm thrilled that Judith has reprinted it. Highly
recommended. If you haven't read any B7 fan fiction before, this might be a
good place to start-- though you should be aware that you're starting from
the top, and only a few fan stories are this good.
If you like it, then you'll want to move on to =The Machiavelli Factor= and
=The Price of Freedom=, by the same author; also her "Haunting of Haderon,"
which is included in =Star Three=. Everything by this author is excellent;
but of all of her stories, =The Quibell Abduction= is my very, very favorite.
Sarah T.
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:12:16 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
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Mistral wrote:
> > >that moon discs beat Boris any day.
> >
> > Oh, I don't know, <grin> they appear to move at about the
> same speed!
>
> True. But the moon discs move far more stylishly.
And as Servalan has proven time and again, style is important.
Jacqueline, who now has a picture in her head of Servalan walking through
her headquarters with a string of moondisks following her around like young
geese.
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:11:10 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
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OK, time to right some wrongs. Can't remember if any of these pairings have
been argued before and rejected, but here goes anyway.
> Time Squad
> Power Play
Although I know TS is important in introducing a character, I think PP is a
much better episode. I'm naturally biased towards the 3rd season as it was
the first one I saw as a v. small child, but even now I still think PP is
really engrossing and exciting. I love the sense of dislocation, that people
are having to survive and operate on their own. The stuff on the Liberator
is also great: I like the different 'view' you have of it when it's not in
the control of our heroes (I even like the ventilation duct scenes). And
Tarrant really suits that uniform.
Meanwhile, TS is essentially a runaround.
> Duel
> Sarcophagus
I just don't like 'Duel' very much... Whereas 'Sarcophagus' is close to
perfection.
> Power
> The City at the Edge of the World
'City' is just wonderful. 'Power' is the work of the devil.
> Children of Auron
> Death Watch
'Deathwatch' could well be the most perfect episode of the whole show. It's
got: politics, deviousness, great indoor sets, the whole handbags stuff
between the presenter and the producer, and *everybody* on the crew is
essential to the plot and contributes to the plot in *characteristic* ways.
DW is the unsung jewel of B7.
CoA: oh, god, that bit at the end just wrecks it for me.
> Bounty
> Project Avalon
Ralph Fiennes has just picked Kathleen Ferrier singing 'Blow the Wind
Southerly' as his first song on 'Desert Island Discs', so 'Bounty' can just
bugger off to the bottom of the table as far as I'm concerned. And you can
put 'Rumours of Death' above it while we're at it.
Una
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 01:36:50 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
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"Shadow" above "Harvest of Kairos".
"Shadow" -- excellent crew interaction. Scenes of conflict and tension:
some of the first signs of the crew questioning Blake's authority. Gan
asserts himself; Cally threatens to zap a space station. Blake earns
himself a small victory at the end, but at the cost of learning just how
powerful his enemy really is.
"Harvest of Kairos" -- Cally being a complete and utter drip, Jarvik being a
bit of a plonker, and Brian the Spider being Brian the Spider. Send it
down, I say!
-- Rob
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 01:51:06 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Joanne and Mistral:
<Oh, I don't know, <grin> they appear to move at about the
same speed!>
<True. But the moon discs move far more stylishly.>
And have so much more personality...
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:30:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > Duel
> > Sarcophagus
>
> I just don't like 'Duel' very much... Whereas 'Sarcophagus' is close to
> perfection.
On the other hand, "Duel" has some great nipple shots. It probably has
some other stuff as well, but somehow I always fail to notice.
Iain
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 03:51:47 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Sarah wrote:
<This is excellent! I hunted literally for years to find a copy of the
now- scarce first edition, so I'm thrilled that Judith has reprinted it.
Highly recommended.>
I agree that it is very good - I don't care for Cally at all, but
I quite enjoyed this even though only she and Avon get a look-in.
<If you like it, then you'll want to move on to =The Machiavelli
Factor= and =The Price of Freedom=, by the same author; also
her "Haunting of Haderon," which is included in =Star Three=.>
I endorse the recommendation of the other three, especially =The
Machiavelli Factor= which is a wonderful AU (though I found the
Tarrant characterisation a bit rough - Toothy's fans will probably
wince) and "Haunting of Haderon," which is a great Avon-Vila story.
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 03:53:34 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Andrew wrote:
<Nowhere does it suggest that Avon did not attempt fraud, that
Vila was not a thief, that Jenna was not a smuggler, that Gan did
not kill a man. Would Blake re-instate their sentences, or quash
their convictions because they were lucky enough to escape and
risk destroying the entire rule of law ?>
Ummm...they broke an awful lot of equally legal (if unjust) laws
under his leadership. So did he, if one wants to get technical. I
don't think anyone - least of all someone with Blake's rather fierce
notions on loyalty - is going to try and claim that they *didn't*
expiate any previous crimes over and above the call of...well, anything.
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 03:58:05 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Una righted - err - well, a couple of wrongs, but also a
right-to-start-with...
>Time Squad
>Power Play
Hey, I switched these two to their present order!!! Powerplay is
okaaaayyyy (the main plot line is rather good in itself), but of
Our Heroes only Avon and (in an embarrassingly execrable B-story)
Vila are any good. Dayna is busily fulfilling her early promise of being a
first class pain (and is incredibly thick in the bargain), Cally has
bugger-all to do (and does it with the requisite lack of enthusiasm) and
Tarrant might have looked good, but is IMO *excrutiatingly* smug and
strangle-able (I only like him less in Children and Moloch). The first time
I watched it, I really (and
I mean *really*) wanted Avon to team up with Klegg, who at least didn't make
my teeth ache every time he opened his mouth.
Time Squad is pivotal Blake/Avon - in fact, the real start of the
relationship - with all sorts of complicated issues of power,
control, trust, self-interest, emotional ties...the whole delicious kit and
caboodle. It has a far better (not great, but fairly good) second story,
Vila is great in the deserts scenes, and Cally is at
her very best.
No contest. Time Squad over Powerplay (and yes, while *I* am
biased towards 2nd season, I prefer 1st to 3rd. Did anyone notice <g>?)
>Duel
>Sarcophagus
I'll buy this one, though I *do* like Duel. Sargophagus shouldn't
work for me, but it does.
>Power
>The City at the Edge of the World
Agreed. And even more important, move Star One over Power as well.
>Children of Auron
>Death Watch
I actually dislike Deathwatch - I find it rather boring because of
the (to me) Clayton's Avon. But I'll agree it's a better episode
than Children, which has very little to recommend it.
>Bounty
>Project Avalon
Ummm. I like both of these (Bounty wins, but not by much) but
since you feel so strongly....
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:03:46 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Ellyne wrote:
<If Blake wanted family and family ties, pursuing a relationship
with Jenna (at least up to the point of feeling comfortable asking
how she feels about kids) seems to make sense...<snip> Next source
of confusion: I thought they were close.>
and Rob answered:
<It seemed pretty much one way to me. I'm not aware of any
examples of Blake treating Jenna any differently to the other
members of his crew.>
I think he likes and is quite attracted to her in 1st season (that light
caress on the cheek in Bounty, the quiet, warm little talk at the start of
Duel, the hug in Breakdown), but not IMO just enough to *do* anything about
it, and I think he loses some of that early interest in 2nd season. One
reason is his doubts on her loyalty
in Bounty (okay, he was the only one who reserved judgement) - the
way he looks around, sees she's not there and immediately (before
the others can tell him) asks "was she behind it?"; another is his tendency
to sometimes slip into lecture mode with Jenna, to talk
down to her - something he doesn't do to Cally, Avon or even Gan.
He values and respects a lot about her - her skills, her support,
her sharpness - but the respect for her intellect - her mind - is
not quite there.
Yes, he may have told her a little about the Freedom Party -
probably in their closer period, mid-1st season (and Vila seems to
know as much as she does, so it doesn't prove that *Blake* told
her anything), but it's Cally he talks over his present plans with,
and it's Avon he tests his ideas and thoughts against.
Inga's a drip (and I think the adult Blake would be screamingly
bored with her before three weeks were up), but she's family after all. I
really think Blake loved her in a mild, carry-over-from-
childhood way, but as for falling *in* love...no. Well, at least,
I would hope not - then again, as I said, Our Heroes do have lousy taste in
women.
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:16:53 PST
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Ellyne wrote:
<I just never warmed to the characters in Weapon. Actually,
'never warmed' is putting it kindly for most of them.>
Oh, I love Rashel, and the clone is great fun (and one of the
central pillars of B7 fanfic <g>). But Coser and Carnell...ermm.
No. Carnell only has the eyelashes and the voice, and Avon's are nicer.
But Killer has Bellfriar and Gambrill. And slimy, treacherous (and
wouldn't *he* have been fun on the Liberator??) Tynus.
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 04:45:11 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Oops. When I wrote of Tarrant:
<I only like him less in Children and Moloch>.
I meant *City* and Moloch. In Children he's much more likeable and
not at all throttle-worthy.
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 05:19:45 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Sally:
>Yes, he may have told her a little about the Freedom Party -
>probably in their closer period, mid-1st season (and Vila seems to
>know as much as she does, so it doesn't prove that *Blake* told
>her anything), but it's Cally he talks over his present plans with,
>and it's Avon he tests his ideas and thoughts against.
I think Cally earned herself an awful lot of Blake brownie points in
Weapon(?) with the "On Earth it's considered impolite to..." incident.
Don't remember the details, but in Season 2, it seems there's a lot more
fluid teamwork between Blake and Cally than there is between Blake and
Jenna. I totally agree on that point, for starters.
How exactly is Inga a drip? I remember Hostage primarily for the
Servalan/Joban/Travis scenes. Didn't Inga do an "I disgust myself" routine,
a la Kasabi's daughter?
-- Rob
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 05:50:49 PST
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
>To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
>Subject: [B7L] squash ladder
>Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:17:47 -0000
>
>Animals
>
> Blake
>
> Space Fall
>
> Time Squad
>
> Power Play
>
> Trial
>
> Duel
>
> Sarcophagus
>
> Killer
>
> Weapon
>
> The Way back
>
> Volcano
>
> Power
>
> The City at the Edge of the World
>
> Star One
>
> The Web
>
> The Keeper
>
> Gold
>
> Orbit
>
> Sand
>
> Terminal
>
> Assassin
>
> Ultraworld
>
> Games
>
> Stardrive
>
> Dawn of the Gods
>
> Aftermath
>
> Headhunter
>
> Mission to Destiny
>
> The Harvest of Kairos
>
> Shadow
>
> Rescue
>
> Children of Auron
>
> Death Watch
>
> Bounty
>
> Project Avalon
>
> Rumours of Death
>
> Breakdown
>
> Seek Locate Destroy
>
> Deliverance
>
> Pressure Point
>
> Warlord
>
> Horizon
>
> Hostage
>
> Redemption
>
> Orac
>
> Voice from the Past
>
> Gambit
>
> Countdown
>
> Cygnus Alpha
>
> Traitor
>
> Moloch
>
>
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 05:52:00 -0800
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Sally Manton wrote:
> Oops. When I wrote of Tarrant:
> <I only like him less in Children and Moloch>.
>
> I meant *City* and Moloch. In Children he's much more likeable and
> not at all throttle-worthy.
This makes much more sense. I did wonder.
Mistral
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 05:56:44 PST
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
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Sorry for the previous mail. I pressed wrong key. Apologize.
******************
My mail actually is:
"Traitor" upwards.
Because of a canonical reasons:
In the whole III and IV series they are only two episodes (excluding the
last one), in which the crew follows their initial/original mission. And
"Traitor" is one of them. I do hate to see our heroes, pictured as
mercenaries, aimlessly wandering through the Universe. Even _that_ humble
attempt to do something positive for one single planet is better than the
adventures like those in "Power Play" (who, for sake, put it on fifth
place?), "Sarcophagus" (same question) or "Ultraworld".
Moreover, "Traitor" shows us one of the exceptional _convincing_ Servalan's
kisses. (Well, followed by unconvincing murder, I have to admit.)
Hellen
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:23:37 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Rob asked:
<How exactly is Inga a drip?>
It's less the character (a fairly standard if painfully earnest
Damsel-in-Distress crossed with an overgrown Girl Guide) as the actress.
Most of her lines are the required cliches ("He wouldn't
spit on you."...oh, please) and she does the required amount of
empty defiance and then squealing every time her arm's twisted
(so her likeable dolt of a dad can cave in to Travis). But Rashel
in Weapon gets just as many cliches to say, and comes out of it
much much better IMO.
Okay, it's hard to avoid the D-i-D bit when you're all tied up
and being monstered by the Villain in black leather (incidentally,
should Croucher have borrowed a moustache to twirl in this one??)
but compare Inga to Kasabi in the same situation...
The slightly die-away voice, and the face of a mildly unhappy
young goat don't help either <g> Nor do the sub-Leesa duds she
wears (given the weather, the phrase 'no sense no feeling' comes
to mind.)
<Didn't Inga do an "I disgust myself" routine, a la Kasabi's daughter?>
Travis says "she wants to die" and when her father points out that
Travis would have killed her, Inga says "I would rather he had".
She's ashamed of what Ushton did to save her.
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