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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 303
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Sales figures for the tapes
[B7L] Steven Pacey
[B7L] costumes and props
[B7L] re: Squash ladder
Re: [B7L] costumes and props
[B7L] Re: squash ladder
[B7L] Re: Spaced
[B7L] Mac sound
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Mac sound
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Mac sound
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
[B7L] story review
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #300
[B7L] Re:Tariel cells in the ystem...
[B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin?
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #302... squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:54:47 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Harriet wrote:
> Una quoted sales figures:
> >The Sevenfold Crown: 12,000
> >The Syndeton Experiment: 3,500
>
> Crown was tape, Experiment was CD, wasn't it? Of course, it might just
> have been that listeners were disappointed by the first play so didn't
> bother with the second, but I vaguely assumed the medium made a difference
> (I only gave in and got a CD player this year).
That's an interesting point. Was Syndeton just CD?
Una
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:27:41 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Steven Pacey
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The following was spotted by Nicola Collie and Carol McCoy.
Steven Pacey can be heard on radio 4 in a dramatisation of Vicki Baum's Grand
Hotel, playing a charming aristocrat. Part 1 will be repeated Saturday, 30
October, at 9 pm.
Part 2 is on Sunday 31 at 3pm (and will presumably be repeated the following
Saturday)
Judith
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:09:48 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Subject: [B7L] costumes and props
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Would anyone be interested in the possibility of some kind of a costume/props
data base for collectors?
I ask, since I recently discovered that the body of the robot from Volcano is
owned by one fan I know and the hands by another. The two will probably be
arranging a trade. Likewise I now know who owns the jacket that was worn with
the Blake shirt that I own. I don't think I could afford to buy the jacket even
if the fan wanted to sell, but if we ever want to get together for an exhibition
or anything of the kind, we know where to find one another.
I think a data base might not ideally be kept on line as people who own a
valuable costume might not want their address advertised (though listing an
e-mail address might be possible depending on people's preference), but if
people like the idea, then I could at least put fans/convention
organsiers/researchers in touch with one another.
What do people think? I know several people on the list own costumes, though
most of us probably only have one item.
Would you like to be able to find people who have related items of costume? It
might just be for social reasons - maybe reuite the crew of the Space Princess -
or to allow you sell on items to other enthusiasts if you lose your interest in
Blake's 7.
Judith
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:26:09 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Squash ladder
Message-ID: <19991025.092611.9270.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
Sarcophagus should be ahead of Killer because
Strong female cast with something to do other than ask the guys
questions.
Avon is a good judge of character, and Vila doesn't realize they're being
set up before he does.
They do not have Cally stare at the strange ship and realize there's
something alien on it only to then shuttle her out of the storyline.
Avon can actually come up with a survival strategy that doesn't involve
shooting old friends (some may see this as a drawback).
The alien had more believable motives than the aliens--or at least a
better plan.
If the crew was foolish enough to teleport something dangerous on board
(whether plague or revive-a-corpse kit), they had to deal with the
consequences.
No giant shoulder pads (some may see this as a drawback).
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:51:15 -0500
From: Reuben Herfindahl <rherf@tursso.com>
To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "'Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk'" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [B7L] costumes and props
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>Would anyone be interested in the possibility of some kind of a
costume/props
>data base for collectors?
Yes! I think it is an excellent idea! Not only for the reasons listed
below, but for confirming authenticity. In my case I own a costume I know
is original, but I do not have any "official" looking certificate of
authenticity. It would be difficult to sell to people outside of the few I
know from lists for this reason. If there was a database online it would be
simple to verify it's authenticity. This would also come in handy if (for
example) an item showed up on e-bay and one wanted to confirm it's
authenticity.
If any help is needed with this, I would be more than willing to throw in a
hand.
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
http://www.reuben.net/blake/
P.S. The costume I own is one of the guard's uniforms from Gold. Whoever
the costume it was made for had to be pretty short. I'm 5'11" and it's
short on me!
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:57:23 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
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I'd like to put Weapon above Sarcophagus. I didn't like Sarcophagus at
all as an episode, it was just too much fantasy. I don't mind fantasy,
but that just didn't fit into the B7 world for me. Weapon on the other
hand meant I could, years later, have fun with a laser pointer. By the
way, who was the actor who played Blake's clones? He was very good,
almost as good as Gareth Thomas.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:52:34 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Spaced
Message-ID: <01BF1F1A.51F6C200@host5-99-51-183.btinternet.com>
I love this too! I knew lots of people like these in Cambridge...
Louise
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:45:32 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Mac sound
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Are there any Mac users who can answer a question for me? I have a sound
effects CD that includes a number of B7 sounds, including Orac switching
on and off. I want to convert these into Mac sound files so I can use
them as alerts. Does anyone know how to do this?
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
Be inconsistent, but not all the time
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:52:25 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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<BITE>
>Sally said,
>
>
> >The Way Back over Power. Does *anyone* want to argue about this???
>
>
>OK then...
>
>The technology of TWB is just SO inconsistent with the rest of the series.
The technology of just about every episode of B7 is inconsistent with the
rest of the series. The fact that there isn't an official technical manual
for B7 just means that tecchies can amuse themselves for hours on end by
devising logarithmic scales and time-dilation phenomena purely for the sake
of plugging the gaps.
>Blake goes from a pliable docile chap who is drawn into an illegal act of
>leaving the dome into a highly intelligent, politically aware legal animal
>who "will make no defence" and insists on making his statement in court.
Asset. This gives us valuable insights into Blake's personality and
personal demons, as well as illustrating the extent, and the limitations, of
the Federation's power.
>Vila is a proper, highly competent, worldly wise thief, not just a butt for
>Avons jokes who can open a few locks. So characterisation is inconsistent.
Asset. For "inconsistent", read "better". Tell you what, Andrew -- try
arguing that "Bounty" is a poor episode because it focuses on Jenna's
strength of character, rather than her legs. Then start running. Cos
otherwise those hands *will* reach out of your terminal and strangle you.
>There is no Avon. (for some people this is more than enough !)
Asset. Depending on one's disposition towards Avon...
>But mainly, if I ever lend video's out to people who vaguely remember the
>series, I never feel that this episode will remind them of why they liked
>the series when they were kids.
When I was a kid, I liked the series because it had lasers and explosions
and a scary baddie with an eye patch. I also liked Grange Hill, the bloke
who did Shadappayaface and Chopper bicycles. [Non-UK members: don't even
ask -- trust me!] Part of the joy of coming back to B7 was the revelation
that it had a whole layer of meaning whose significance was lost to me back
then. It wasn't so much rediscovery as discovery.
>OK so there is good background info in there as to why the Federation is
>bad, but you can pick that up without watching
>this episode.
It's not just *why* the Federation is bad: it's *how* it's bad. It gives
insights into the way the Federation operates, and how irrelevant its
citizens really are. It foreshadows the demise not just of Blake and his
crew, but of apparently powerful, important figures like Servalan and the
President she deposed. In no one episode is quite as much information given
into the nature of the Beast.
>After seeing TWB first time around, I wasn't staying around
>after TOTP to see what happened next, that came later when the "better"
>episodes came along.
Same here. My excuse, as I explained earlier, was that I was a
pre-pubescent dustbin lid with all the good taste of a Norwich City
supporter.
>[Defence of "Power"]
Can't comment: haven't seen it. Anyone else like to explain why it should
go below TWB?
>Please note that none of the above necessarily represents the views of the
>author, its just that Sally asked !
Getting an old mug like me to bite is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Cheers,
-- Rob
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:17:26 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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At 11:52 AM 25/10/99 -0700, Rob Clother wrote:
>When I was a kid, I liked the series because it had lasers and explosions
>and a scary baddie with an eye patch.
Hey! Are you saying there are better reasons to like the show than that? Pshaw!
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:23:46 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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In a message dated 10/25/1999 12:22:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
pennydreadful@powersurfr.com writes:
> Hey! Are you saying there are better reasons to like the show than that?
> Pshaw!
Of course there are. Travis 2, for example. ;-)
Tiger M
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Date: 25 Oct 1999 22:24:26 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mac sound
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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> writes:
> Are there any Mac users who can answer a question for me?
You know that there are a bunch of Mac-format sounds on the list FTP
site, don't you?
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:21:08 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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Rob said,
< Tell you what, Andrew -- try arguing that "Bounty" is a poor episode
because it focuses on Jenna's strength of character, rather than her legs.
Then start running. Cos otherwise those hands *will* reach out of your
terminal and strangle you. >
I'd be a fool, 'cause there is clearly more to Jenna than just her legs.
Actually talking of Jenna, a few missing episodes I would love to see.
1) The episode between Star One and Aftermath (the teenage boy in me misses
the bangs and explosions), showing what happened to Blake and Jenna up to
when they are safe (relatively speaking).
2) The episode where Jenna is * allegedly * killed.
Andrew
Animals
Blake
Space Fall
Time Squad
Power Play
Trial
Duel
* Weapon
* Sarcophagus
* Killer
* The Way back
* Power
Volcano
The City at the Edge of the World
The Web
Star One
The Keeper
Gold
Orbit
Sand
Ultraworld
Terminal
Games
Stardrive
Assassin
Dawn of the Gods
Aftermath
Headhunter
Mission to Destiny
The Harvest of Kairos
Rescue
Shadow
Children of Auron
Death Watch
Bounty
Rumours of Death
Project Avalon
Breakdown
Seek Locate Destroy
Horizon
Warlord
Deliverance
Pressure Point
Orac
Hostage
Redemption
Voice from the Past
Countdown
Gambit
Cygnus Alpha
Moloch
Traitor
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:21:00 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
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<I'd like to put Weapon above Sarcophagus. I didn't like
Sarcophagus at all as an episode, it was just too much fantasy.>
I'll second this. I like Sargophagus, but Weapon is more B7-ish.
<By the way, who was the actor who played Blake's clones?
He was very good, almost as good as Gareth Thomas.>
And easily the most gorgeous guest star they ever had...
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:32:41 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Andrew & Rob:
[Defence of "Power"]
Can't comment: haven't seen it. Anyone else like to explain
why it should go below TWB?>
The idea is silly, the assumptions wince-making, the execution
even worse, the characters as subtle as Soviet atom bombs, the
guests look like a 5-year-old's dress-up party, and any episode
where My Hero's best moments are when he's out cold deserves all
the raspberries it can get.
Not that I'm hostile or anything...
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:34:24 +1000
From: Jeff <joxer@bigpond.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mac sound
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At 04:45 AM 26/10/1999 , Steve wrote:
>Are there any Mac users who can answer a question for me? I have a sound
>effects CD that includes a number of B7 sounds, including Orac switching
>on and off. I want to convert these into Mac sound files so I can use
>them as alerts. Does anyone know how to do this?
Well, former Mac user anyway, I went over to the dark side, although I do
like the new iMac DV series. :) Hope this helps.
Sound App Home Page
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~franke/SoundApp/
for 68k or PowerMac, Sound App is a fantastic utility.
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:41:26 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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>From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
>I also liked Grange Hill, the bloke who did Shadappayaface
Joe Dolce is a bad memory for Australians too, God help us all. How
fortunate he was a one-hit wonder.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:52:33 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>, moi@barbarapaul.com
Subject: [B7L] story review
Message-ID: <B47W00AhENF4EwiT@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Slightly off-topic, since the fannish references are peripheral, but I
think it's still of interest. Yes, Judith, this one's for the web page
if you want it.
The Reluctant Op, by Barbara Paul
The Ellery Queen Mystery Magazine, Sep/Oct 99
A mystery short story (~40 pages) featuring a lead character by the name
of Callie Darrow, once a thief, now wanting to turn straight - if only
she hadn't been forced to join a detective agency and sent back as an
undercover operative into the very environment she needs to escape from.
There's another fannish joke by way of the name of a tugboat (and I'm
very glad I'd finished my mug of tea before I got to that page), but no
avatars. The story is still of interest to any B7 fan who enjoys
mysteries, as it has the same dark edge and moral shades of grey. I love
the relationship Callie has with the boss who blackmailed her into
joining his organisation. I enjoyed the story, and would like to see
more.
Another point of interest - this story is set in a shared world, Port
Wolfe, created by a group of mystery writers who wanted to put together
a shared world anthology of the type familiar in sf. The editors the
project was submitted to liked the project, but the sales departments
didn't, so in the end the stories were submitted to various places as
standalones. Pity, as the depth of background detail to be seen in this
story suggests they put a lot of work into creating a convincing
setting. I'd buy an anthology on the strength of this story.
Links to more about the story:
http://www.barbarapaul.com/shortmys2.html#reluct
http://www.barbarapaul.com/MessageBoard/Forum3/HTML/000009.html
(The latter does wander off-topic for a bit)
--
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:25:01 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Message-ID: <19991025.183958.10262.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:32:41 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
>Andrew & Rob:
>
>[Defence of "Power"]
>
>Can't comment: haven't seen it. Anyone else like to explain
>why it should go below TWB?>
>
>The idea is silly, the assumptions wince-making, the execution
>even worse, the characters as subtle as Soviet atom bombs, the
>guests look like a 5-year-old's dress-up party, and any episode
>where My Hero's best moments are when he's out cold deserves all
>the raspberries it can get.
>
>Not that I'm hostile or anything...
>
Despite having written what might be called a defense of Power (I see it
as more of an explanation since what seemed to be happening made so
little sense something else HAD to be going on beneath the surface), I
agree.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:39:57 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
Message-ID: <19991025.183958.10262.1.Rilliara@juno.com>
I didn't mean to turn into an ardent defender of Sarcophagus, but--
Sarcophagus is better than Weapon because
I have never been able to stand storylines about guys who use some
pseudoscience to predict every move people make and manipulate them into
doing exactly what the villain wants despire the appearance of free will
(this doesn't count good strategists and tacticians, who can actually
give a convincing analysis for their decisions. "I can beat any computer
chess game without raising a sweat, therefore you muct believe me" is not
a convincing argument).
After hearing so much about the eyelashes before I saw this, I was very
disappointed to see they were actually within human norms.
I read the script before seeing this. It's scary how much less convincing
the Clone Master was in person than she was on paper. Big points off for
the music.
This isn't a superweapon. It's a _ray gun_. For it to be of any use,
you'd have to sneak it in and shoot all the leaders of the Federation (or
whatever evil planet) in the first place. Probably some interesting
applications, but a tad more limited than they made out.
"The weapon guards itself" for exactly as long as it takes Servalan to
think of sending in a goon squad to get it without attending to the
matter personally.
Other than that, yes, it was much more B7ish.
And, yes, the guest star was cute, but couldn't they have gotten someone
who looked like Blake , , , ?
Ellynne
Who is _not_ complaining about anything she can think of this in episode
regardless of whether the facts back her up.
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:23:59 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Una could still be mad as a March hare....
haven't you ever noticed how irritated women get when the men around
them start butting heads over testosterone nonsense?
> Una wrote:
> >I want to be a March Hare.
>
> You'll need a sex change first.
>
> 'Although breeding is not confined to a restricted season, there is great
> increase in the sexual activity of the males of both species [of British
> hare] in the spring. At this time the males lose much of their caution, and
> career about the countryside in broad daylight chasing and fighting with
> each other, and pursuing the females.' (L Harrison Matthews, The New
> Naturalist: British Mammals). Hence the expression, 'mad as a March hare'.
>
> Still keen?
>
> Neil, a not-so-new naturalist.
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:35:03 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:Tariel cells in the ystem...
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>
> The System, OTOH, has been estranged from the rest of humanity for quite
> some period of time (probably nearer centuries rather than decades?) and
> thus plied its own course of technological development. Avon remarks that
> the Liberator is 'conceptually alien' at an early stage in the series. This
> reduces the likelihood of Ensor developing something compatible by chance.
>
This is a pretty good arguement against simultaneous development, but
HOW seperated was the System from the Federation intellectually?
My thought is this-- in spite of the many advances of the System,
perhaps *they* are the ones who stole Tariel cells. In fact, they may
not be creative at all, but more Borg-like in their finding ways to
improve their technology simply by spying on and stealing from other
cultures.
In which case, there may be another group out there with teleport
capabilities.
--Avona
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:02:38 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:evidence of the Systrem being of human origin?
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> Zen has elements of the Buddhist in his personality - the sort of thing where he
> is inclined to make statements that wisdom must be learnt and not given. This
> suggests that whoever gave him the name had heard of Zen Buddhism.
>
But didn't he pick up that name during his mindlink with Jenna? That's
what I always thought. She found the link purifying and spiritual... a
bit of a 'Zen experience', she thinks, so he picks that up and uses it
for his name.
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:12:09 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #302... squash ladder
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> Sorry reasoned arguments, you lost.
>
> Una, I take it that its round to your house for copious quantities of
> champagne.
>
> Animals
> Blake
....
It's starting to look like we could end up with an alphabetical list...
But we'd have to think of reasons why Aftermath is better that Animals
(Hal Mellanby! Actually a really good character)
And Assassin is better than Blake
(Uh... well it's worth a giggle)
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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:38:45 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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Me/Penny:
> >When I was a kid, I liked the series because it had lasers and
> >explosions and a scary baddie with an eye patch.
>
>Hey! Are you saying there are better reasons to like the show than that?
>Pshaw!
Well actually, Penny, I was referring to Stephen Greif...
-- Rob
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