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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 301
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Re: Avatars away!
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
[B7L] Neglecting Gan.
Re: [B7L] Neglecting Gan.
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Re: b7spin: spin airlines
[B7L] Re: squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Wonderland
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
[B7L] Sales figures for the tapes
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
[B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
[B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
[B7L] Animals for pole position ?
[B7L] Re: Avatars away!
Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
[B7L] avatars and suchlike
[B7L] Re: Avatars away!
[B7L] off-topic Spaced
Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
Re: [B7L] off-topic Spaced
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
[B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
[B7L] Neglecting Gan.
[B7L] Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
Re: [B7L] off-topic Spaced
Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:38:31 -0500
From: Reuben Herfindahl <rherf@tursso.com>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
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>Finally acquired a copy of John M Ford's "How Much For Just The Planet?"
>
>How the hell did he get away with *that*?
>--
>Julia Jones
It's been a long time. What's the avatar reference in it?
Reuben Herfindahl
reuben@reuben.net
http://www.reuben.net/blake/
P.S. They did just reprint this so it should be readily available again.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:43:29 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Rob said:
> >In this house, 'mechanics of power' = 'Una sez'. It's a simple rule, and
> >you'll get to like it once you've tried it out ;)
>
>
> I see. I *will* get to like it. Whether I like it or not.
>
> Good system!
Halfway there already, Rob. Doesn't it feel just fine?
Una
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:07:16 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Neglecting Gan.
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Hello
The fact that we learn Gan's first name as late as "Bounty" while everyone
else gets a formal introduction in the first episode s/he appears just
goes to show how neglected Gan is when it comes to developing and rounding
out a character. After revealing the limiter and the reason why it's there
in "Time Squad", Nation seems to lose interest in Gan and he often ends up
just hovering about in the background, a strong, silent figure only needed
for the occasional physical task or plot device. Even in "Breakdown", an
episode which basically revolves around him, Gan is mostly confined to
being a passive object, an unconscious lump of meat for others to prod and
ponder over. Between "Deliverance" and "Pressure Point" the writers often
seem to be at a loss what to do with him, so that directors have to throw
in fight scenes just to give him something to do. Tellingly, Gan's
departure from the series is really the only time one of the crew is
removed rather than replaced.
Dayna is another character who is left rather sketchy, but at least she
has an active role in most episodes she appears in. Too often Gan seems
like just another set piece. Even a stereotypical mad henchman like Travis
has more character depth than Gan. A shame, really.
Blake and Avon dominate the series during the first two seasons, their
towering egos often eclipsing everything around them. As interesting and
complex characters as they are, it's usually nicer to see the whole
group's synergy exploited or other characters given some room to
manoeuvre. For example, I always like it when Vila gets, if only for a
moment, to do more than just providing comic relief and absorbing verbal
abuse like a human sponge (it's usually those brief bursts of
back-against-the-wall determination like in "Breakdown", "Bounty" and
"Volcano", or getting an occasional last word over Avon, as in "Killer").
Kai Karmanheimo
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Date: 22 Oct 1999 18:13:01 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neglecting Gan.
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>>>>> "Kai" == Kai V Karmanheimo <karmanhe@cc.helsinki.fi> writes:
> The fact that we learn Gan's first name as late as "Bounty"
Er, no. As Neil pointed out, we learn it in "Time Squad". But it is
slightly interesting to note that we hear his full name exactly twice,
both times from Zen. "Olag" might be a title, not a name.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"Then I dream of a world where idiots are hunted like wild pigs"
-- Stephen Edwards, scary.devil.monastery
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:32:52 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Una wrote:
>Neil wrote:
>
>> Una wrote:
>> >I want to be a March Hare.
>>
>> You'll need a sex change first.
<snip summary of lagomorph breeding behaviour>
>> Still keen?
>
>Well, do you have any better offers?
Hmm, let's see ... Una ... small ... spikey ... vicious ...
Have you ever considered becoming a water shrew?
Neil
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:00:12 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: b7spin: spin airlines
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Ooops! Wrong list! Sorryyyyy!
--
_--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
/ \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat
\_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h"
v |
------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:27:20 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
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Apart from seconding Una's proposal to put Animals above Blake, I'd like
to propose Mission to Destiny goes above Harvest.
Mission was a jolly good detective story and Avon's comment after htting
Sara was priceless. Harvest on the other hand was silly. Brian couldn't
catch a fly let alone be a serious threat. And as to the lunar module...
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
Be inconsistent, but not all the time
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:45:36 +0100
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Wonderland
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I helpfully said:
>> (Geographical note - March and Ely are towns near Cambridge.)
and Una said:
>Showing us up as playing possibly the most tragic game currently on the
>Lyst.
Tragic? Ain't no tragedy around here! oh, except the continuing sto-o-o-ory
of a bunch of motley rebels, I suppose, but that's getting dangerously on
topic.
Who wants to be the Bury St Edmonds Badger? Or the Stow Cum Quy Stoat?
This country makes me giggle sometimes ;)
Nicola
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:09:39 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Neil braved:
> Una wrote:
>
> >Well, do you have any better offers?
>
> Hmm, let's see ... Una ... small ... spikey ... vicious ...
>
> Have you ever considered becoming a water shrew?
I'd advise being a bloody hedgehog next time you see me, Neil.
Una
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:08:33 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
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Steve wrote:
> Apart from seconding Una's proposal to put Animals above Blake
What are you after, Rogerson?
Una
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:04:19 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Sales figures for the tapes
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Someone, I recall, was wondering what the sales figures for the BBC tapes
were:
The Sevenfold Crown: 12,000
The Syndeton Experiment: 3,500
No surprise the BBC aren't making any more!
Una
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:46:31 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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>Judith wrote:
>>eg. Newton was not the only person to independently invent calculus.
to which Neil said,
>I thought it was logarithms rather than calculus but that's beside the
>point.
I don't know about logarithms, but Newton needed calculus to do gravity, was
not aware of anybody else's work and so had to develop it himself. (or so
the story goes).
Neil also said...
> Simultaneous inventions like these tend to be made by two people
>working in the same intellectual circles. They might not know each other
>personally, but they're working from the same starting point, have access
to
>the same references, share the same currents of thought flowing through the
>scientific community.
and sometimes the person credited with doing something first hides the fact
that somebody else actually did it first (one of my soap box's). Some people
are techno theives (Avon ?).
and Neil said
>
>The System, OTOH, has been estranged from the rest of humanity for quite
>some period of time (probably nearer centuries rather than decades?)
possibly centuries, that fits the Earth origin view better, but only a few
since we know from Killer that 400 years ago we had slower than light
travel.
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:28:21 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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Judith Said .....
<I always assume the System to be of Earth origin too. There's several good
reasons to believe it.>
Care to elaborate ?
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:53:32 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Una and Rob were nattering ....
Una - Hey, I argued that should be the other way round!
Rob - Er. Surely, Una, you understand the mechanics of power well enough to
know the dangers of challenging the Neutral Arbiter?
Una -In this house, 'mechanics of power' = 'Una sez'. It's a simple rule,
and you'll get to like it once you've tried it out ;)
Rob - I see. I *will* get to like it. Whether I like it or not. Good
system!
I must protest, where oh where in the cannon does it say that the Neutral
Arbiter needs to be Neutral. They have an awfully sinister habit of
operating to their own agenda's.
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:06:55 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Animals for pole position ?
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The case for the prosecution - Animals didn't stick in my mind, Blake =
made me sad. Una deserves a break.
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Andrew
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 99 02:23:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
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Julia Jones asked:
>Finally acquired a copy of John M Ford's "How Much For Just The
>Planet?"
>
>How the hell did he get away with *that*?
What did you have in mind, exactly? All the avatars in the book
that I know about are the author's real-life friends, who gave
their permission. Many of them were also writing Trek books around
that time. Let's see-- the princess and her man are Diane Duane
and Peter Morwood, who were married shortly after =How Much= came
out; the innkeepers are Pamela Dean and David Dyer-Bennett; the
pirate queen and her henchman are Janet and Ric Kagan; and the
skinny fellow in black, directing things behind the scenes, is of
course the author. There are probably more that I don't recognize;
you might ask Beth Friedman, who knows these people better than I
do.
Oh, and the songs are not filks of anything known; the author had
made up his own tunes for them.
Are there B7 avatars?? It's possible; the author was a big fan.
I haven't reread the book myself in years, so I could well have
missed something interesting.
Sarah T.
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:19:51 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
Message-ID: <gfju9OAHrKE4Ew8D@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <16D5E9ABE65ED311A6DA00A0C9DD630D0133C3@STPNT4>, Reuben
Herfindahl <rherf@tursso.com> writes
>>Finally acquired a copy of John M Ford's "How Much For Just The Planet?"
>>
>>How the hell did he get away with *that*?
>
>It's been a long time. What's the avatar reference in it?
Amongst other things (some of which I'm sure I missed because I was too
spaced out on fatigue to cope with a *serious* book), that's the first
time I've seen a Meegat avatar. Sort of.
I managed to buy the book second-hand, having been looking for it on and
off for a year or so. There is this enormous second-hand bookshop about
ten minutes walk from here, which I hit every time I come to California.
Combination avatar hunt and looking for old classics. Lots and lots of
out-of-print books, and lots and lots that were never readily available
in the UK. There was also a UK edition of Banks' Inversion, obviously
bought by someone to read on the plane. I've just bought it to read on
the way home, so it wil be a very well travelled book. I've already
bought more books than I really have room for in the suitcase, so I
suppose other half is going to be complaining again about me littering
the house with my books.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:45:57 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
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Acquired three of the Secret Books of Paradys. Skimmed Book 4. Oh my!
I've had quite a good haul from the bookshop so far this trip, but one
regret - I left the Trek novel _Ishmael_ where it was, because I had a
vague feeling I might already have a copy. Changed my mind today and
went to get it - it's gone. And there was a copy of Della van Hise's
Killing Time, but judging by the 10 9 8 7 6 5 on the copyright/printing
page, I don't think it's the first print run.
Can't remember if _Ishmael_ was one of the ones with covert references
to B7 in particular, just that it demonstrated that the author had
encountered SF as well as ST.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:25:20 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
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In message <199910230246.CAA06796@rock103.genie.net>,
s.thompson8@genie.com writes
>Julia Jones asked:
>
>>Finally acquired a copy of John M Ford's "How Much For Just The
> >Planet?"
> >
> >How the hell did he get away with *that*?
>
>What did you have in mind, exactly?
I was referring to the pisstake aspect, rather than the use of real
people:-)
>All the avatars in the book
> that I know about are the author's real-life friends, who gave
> their permission. Many of them were also writing Trek books around
> that time. Let's see-- the princess and her man are Diane Duane
> and Peter Morwood, who were married shortly after =How Much= came
> out;
Ah, I wondered if that's who the Peter and Diane on the credit page were
- one of my fondest memories of last year's Discworld con is a very
strange conversation with Peter and a couple of other guys in the bar on
Saturday night. I like Peter:-)
>
>Are there B7 avatars?? It's possible; the author was a big fan.
> I haven't reread the book myself in years, so I could well have
> missed something interesting.
>
There's a sequence with the slave girl in the dungeon that sounds
remarkably like Meegat interpreting everything Avon says as evidence
that he's god. I was suspicious about the very tiny queen in an
outrageous costume and even more outrageous high heels, but wasn't sure
since I had the impression it was one of the author's friends. Not sure
about other stuff - I read the book because I was too knackered to do
much other than a little light reading, so a lot of the references
passed me by. Although I did notice the British military officer with a
sidekick by the name of Sergeant Benson.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:10:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] off-topic Spaced
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I've just found a sit-com that I like!
Anyone else seen 'Spaced' on channel 4 on Friday evening?
It's about a group of SF fans and is happily dotty without going too far in
taking the micky.
Judith
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Date: 23 Oct 1999 09:37:52 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
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>>>>> "Julia" == Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Acquired three of the Secret Books of Paradys. Skimmed Book 4. Oh my!
There's B7 stuff in "The Book of the Mad"? I completely missed that. Where?
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:40:24 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
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Julia wrote:
> I managed to buy the book second-hand, having been looking for it on and
> off for a year or so. There is this enormous second-hand bookshop about
> ten minutes walk from here, which I hit every time I come to California.
> Combination avatar hunt and looking for old classics. Lots and lots of
> out-of-print books, and lots and lots that were never readily available
> in the UK.
Curses! I should have asked you to look out for the only Barbara Paul /
Holland book I'm missing! As if there'd be room in your suitcase for it!
('Just a tiny one, waffer thin...')
> There was also a UK edition of Banks' Inversion, obviously
> bought by someone to read on the plane. I've just bought it to read on
> the way home, so it wil be a very well travelled book.
Hehehe. Indeed, a friend has *two* copies, on the grounds that he was
halfway through, left it at home at the start of a journey, and was enjoying
it so much he picked up another one at the airport!
Una
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:30:06 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] off-topic Spaced
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>Anyone else seen 'Spaced' on channel 4 on Friday evening?
I love it, Judith. It's the TV prog with characters most similar to the
people I have met from this list (if that convoluted sentence makes sense).
Alison
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:48:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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On Fri 22 Oct, Andrew Ellis wrote:
> Judith Said .....
>
> <I always assume the System to be of Earth origin too. There's several good
> reasons to believe it.>
>
> Care to elaborate ?
Ouch! You're asking me to recall stuff that I worked out in detail 3 or 4 years
back and have now largely forgotten. Let's see what I can recall.
Firstly and most obviously, the occupants of the tri-system are human. If they
look human, it seems reasonable to assume that they are human (I also believe
the Auronar to be human, but from much further back - Cally says that the 'Gods'
brought them to Auron, so that can predate human space flight).
It is implied in some of the programme background information (which I accept is
not canonical) that there was a major nuclear war and that the New Calendar
started when stable government was re-estalished. I assume that contact with
many colonies was lost during the time of chaos and never regained. My sums
(based on the work of others using mainly the computer screens in the first
episode) place 'The Way Back' in the year 252NC.
They speak English. <grin> All planets visited during the series either have a
population of Earth origin and thus speak English or else have other reasons for
being able to do so. eg. Sinofer is a ghost and thus allowed to speak any
language through use of her powers. Zil actually had to learn English
(presumably through an inate telepathic ability) as she starts out speaking
something that Blake cannot understand. The existence of tiny snatches of other
Earth languages like French ('Gambit') argues against the existence of any kind
of universal translator.
Interestingly enough, I think the written language had diverged, possibly into
something more phonetic. We see the symbols here and there eg. on teleport
bracelets - and they aren't much like our own lettering.
(I'm trying to remember and I can't. Do we see the letters DSV1 on the ship
that is destroyed? That may be memory playing tricks on me.)
It took a very short period of time for the Liberator crew to learn the controls
- Avon worked out almost immediately that the life capsules had been launched.
This suggests a large degree of conceptual similarity.
Zen has elements of the Buddhist in his personality - the sort of thing where he
is inclined to make statements that wisdom must be learnt and not given. This
suggests that whoever gave him the name had heard of Zen Buddhism.
Last, but not least, the fact that Orac was able to take over Zen shows that Zen
used tariel cells. This suggests a common scientific background that allowed
the development of similar concepts. The System itself is like Orac in many
ways.
SLAVE: Then one of the planets developed a computer so powerful it was
able to take over the weaponry computers of the other two.
BLAKE: So all three became one?
SLAVE: One gigantic System that totally governs the three worlds.
The System is ahead of Federation technology by perhaps a generation, but no
more (it happened before the slave's father was born, but Ensor developed tariel
cells 30 years ago.)
So, that's it really. I think the System is a lost human colony from around 300
years ago. They developed tariel cells about a generation before the
Federation, had their own Orac-equivalent, were human to ten decimal places and
spoke English.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:12:20 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Rob wrote:
<The Federation is the big villain of the piece...Remember, the
massacre in TWB wasn't instigated by Travis. It was anonymous
and bureaucratic - as, in fact, was Avon's final demise.>
This is one thing I *do* like about 'Blake'- I've always been glad
that Servalan was not in it, since by having it finished[1] by the
impersonal, unknown forces that Blake was fighting at the start is
waaayyyy more satisfying than making it one more step of the
personal vendetta between the crew and the ex-President. Brings the
circle fully round to what the whole series was really about...
having Servalan set it all up would have (IMHO-*only*) cheapened
the sheer tragedy and lessened the impact.
Much as I want to make Una's day (month? year?) 'Blake' must stay
at the top of the list, BTW. Mainly because when all it said and
done it *was* the ending to end all endings, with an impact like nothing
else I've ever seen.
[1] If in fact one accepts that Our Heroes were finished. Which,
as you all probably know, I don't. <g>
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:17:49 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Neglecting Gan.
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Kai wrote:
<Blake and Avon dominate the series during the first two seasons>
<Stony face to equal Una's best> and there is something wrong
with this? Some of us (in our less sensible moments) think that
Blake&Avon are the entire raison d'etre of the series, and the
Federation, rebellion, Liberator, plots, Season 3 & 4, etc etc
etc are just window dressing...
To be honest, the first time I saw the series, I was so busy
watching Avon, Blake and Vila that the others didn't really
register much...I would probably not have recognised Gan if I
fell over him in the street (me? biased? Oh all right). Having
just studied the Blake/*other* relationships for an APA, I've
come to the conclusion that there *is* a fair amount going on
with the other characters if you stop and look for it - if you
can take your eyes off you-know-who for long enough (this for me
is not easy) Shadow, for instance is a really good episode for
Gan (and for Cally). I also like him in Deliverance, resisting the urge to
tease Avon over Meegat (Vila, of course, gives in at once
to the temptation). Ironically, Pressure Point is also good for Gan.
Breakdown, on the other hand, which was *supposed* to be about
Gan, got completely taken over Dark and Dysfunctional's story thread.
That's one of the things I like about Weapon - the discussion at
the start, with the whole crew together throwing ideas and
comments at each other, Blake guiding it but making sure that
everyone gets a say (but you will notice who gets the last word <g>).
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:19:01 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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The Way Back over Power. Does *anyone* want to argue about this???
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:56:21 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why I'm a "Way Backie"
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Sally wrote:
> Much as I want to make Una's day (month? year?) 'Blake' must stay
> at the top of the list, BTW.
Millennium, actually. But don't let that stop you.
Una
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:05:41 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] off-topic Spaced
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Judith wrote:
> I've just found a sit-com that I like!
>
> Anyone else seen 'Spaced' on channel 4 on Friday evening?
>
> It's about a group of SF fans and is happily dotty without going too far
in
> taking the micky.
'Spaced' is fabulous. Apart from all the SF gags, it's really stylishly
made, so there are lots of sharp cuts and edits that make it even funnier.
There was a wonderful bit in a job interview where the female lead, who is
stoned, starts to see the interviewers' mouths going in quick time, whilst
she begins to hallucinate the theme to 'The Magic Roundabout'. There's tons
of stuff like this all the way through.
Una
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:31:19 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
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On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 04:45:57PM -0700, Julia Jones wrote:
> Can't remember if _Ishmael_ was one of the ones with covert references
> to B7 in particular, just that it demonstrated that the author had
> encountered SF as well as ST.
It was a crossover with "Here Come The Brides", no Blake's 7
references.
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