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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 275
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] B7 movie plot
[B7L] Cult TV pix
Re: [B7L] quoting
Re: [B7L] A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French...
[B7L] Last call, frame capture nominations
[B7L] Blake's 7: The Movie/ Last Episode
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274
Re: [B7L] quoting
[B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation
[B7L] Re: A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French...
[B7L]The B7 Movie
[B7L] Mornington Crescent
Re: [B7L] quoting
Re: [B7L] B7 movie plot
Re: [B7L] Re: Mornington Crescent
Re [B7L] Animals
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:23:26 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 movie plot
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On Tue 21 Sep, Loulou Harris wrote:
> (Obviously there are exceptions, and the PGP is a popular choice of
> subgenre, but most PGPs are set soon after "Blake". In fact, I'd be
> interested to hear of the best stories set way in the future.)
'The Last Best Hope' starts with Blake as president. (though the story does
have some roots in the past.)
'Nova' starts immediately PGP, but uses the gravitational field of a black hole
to move about ten years forward later on in the novel.
'Touching Life' which will be in the next issue of 'Fire and Ice' is set about
15 years after Gauda Prime when Avon is about to become co-ruler of the
Federation.
>
> What we need as the trigger to really start writing stories set
> further in the future, could be a canonical episode set in that time.
> Then we don't need to concentrate more on the 'how they all got out
> of that' - but on all the character development etc which is what
> interests most of us anyway.
'The Last Best Hope' actually had a one-para introduction by the editor (me) to
explain how they escaped Gauda Prime just in case anyone was bothered <grin>.
It wasn't necessary to the novel to bother explaining in any more detail.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:17:41 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Cult TV pix
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Pictures from Cult TV are now up on my web site.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
Be inconsistent, but not all the time
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:09:18 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>Picking on you in public, because it's been a while since the last
>victim, and I'd like it to be a while until the next one:
>
>Please don't quote upside down, and please snip irrelevant material in
>the post you're replying to. It makes it ever so much easier for
>everyone else to read your posts, even if Outlook Express encourages you
>to do otherwise.
I'll try.
>--
>Julia Jones
Andrew
p.s. is this OK ?
p.p.s. How can you tell ?
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:28:33 EST
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French...
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>From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
>And if she has to repeat it *until* Jarriere gets the idea, we could be
>here till post-Gauda-Prime-time...
I had wondered if I'd laid the idea of the character being thicker than a
pallet-load of of short planks on a little too enthusiastically. One does
need to be careful when wielding trowels <grin>
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:34:01 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
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Subject: [B7L] Last call, frame capture nominations
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If anyone would like to vote on the next set of additions to the frame
capture library, and hasn't yet, please get your nominations of up to five
episodes to me before the weekend. (Send to me offlist at <lcw@dallas.net>.)
At the moment there are three clear front-runners, and half a dozen tied
for the remaining two slots. Ties in the final count will be resolved by
personal whim. (Mine.)
- Lisa
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From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:55:56 +0100
From: "DJ Mark" <DJMark@universe108.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "blakes7 mailing list" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7: The Movie/ Last Episode
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I have always thought that maybe some reinforcements arrived at the last
minute, and that was the gunfire we heard over the beginning of the credits.
I think Avon survived, and probably some of the others were just injured. I
would imagine Dayna died, her injury looked serious. As for Cally, we never
saw her body, and no one went back down to check. So it's possible she isn't
dead, the same can be said for Jenna.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:14:37 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Andrew, as far as 'house rules' as far as treating other list-members
go...
I would bear in mind that we all actually *like* those snappish,
bickering characters on the series. So, there tends to be a fair amount
of banter here that may sound outrageously egotistical, or obnoxious,
until you take into account that it is practically all tongue in cheek.
The only time there was anything close to a genuine flamefest here was
when someone I will refer to now only as 'Ben Steed II' began posting
very, very reactionary views on the place of women. And there was not
much humous in the replies he got, except, as I recall, for the one
involving Servalan and a tank of pirahna.
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:28:19 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Nope, Una.
The amount of drugs needed to get her disoriented and *keep* her
disoriented (because unless you *do* build a background, when the drugs
are no longer affecting her obvious behavior, she will begin to remember
*who* she hates) would leave her unable to carry out much in the way of
intelligent behavior. And she not only has the conditioned hate for her
former love, but actually is in control of herself enough to surpress
the desire to kill him before asking the questions she is supposed to.
Or do I remember incorrectly?
A few hours is enough to get someone to give in to the current pain and
confusion and give information. But I doubt it is enough to get someone
to rewrite their alligiences, even with Federation technology.
And speaking of Federation techniques, what we saw being used on Dayna
wouldn't be enough to convince me to kick a cat. The disorienting sonic
impulses being used on Blake in Horizon at least intriguing in terms of
futuristic means of reaching the mind. Travis's questioning of Cally was
very well done. But Dayna's conditioning scene?
PPPPPbbbbbllllllllttttttt!
Now that I have astounded you with the elegance of my final arguement (I
can't believe I wrote that), I will allow that if we *pretend* that
there was a *convincing* means of brainwashing used on Dayna, the
epsiode may not have been that bad. But then, if we *pretend* Paul
Darrow doesn't say things about Avon in interviews that make it sound
like he was playing in a different series than the one we watched, he's
the perfect advisor for the movie.
Curmundgeonly yours,
Avona
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:29:17 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Hey, Rob, I *liked* Ultraworld.
Though I would have liked it better if they *had* switched the brains.
--Avona
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:38:41 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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Cool! I'm glad to hear that the B7 movie will have the UKcentric feel.
Yes, it will be a bonus for marketing it in America. England is a source
of fascination for many Americans, and we dig the accents.
I'm also glad to hear about the CGI/model mix. My husband is an artist,
and therefore, presumably has an eye for detail. We both thought Phantom
Menace relied way too much on CGI. It is too smooth, too clean, to cool.
Life is messy.
Despite my joke in my last post, I think it's great that Paul is on the
project. I have always had a secret hope that the reason he
mis-describes Avon is that the character has sunk so muchinto his
subconscious that Avon's defense mechanisms refuse to let him describe
Avon's nobler character traits. After All, Avon always refused to
acknowlege them, why should his actor?
I'd love to see Michael Keating reappear in B7. When I saw him in 1991,
he looked *better* than he did in the original show.
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Date: 22 Sep 1999 07:17:24 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>>>>> "Helen" == Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> writes:
> We both thought Phantom Menace relied way too much on CGI. It is too
> smooth, too clean, to cool. Life is messy.
Have you seen Lexx? It uses *lots* of CGI, but "too clean" still isn't
exactly the first thing that springs to mind when you see it.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
Please pay no attention to the panda in the fridge.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:37:42 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Andrew wrote:
> p.s. is this OK ?
Perfect.
Una ;)
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:16:29 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation
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Una wrote:
>But then I like the Ferengi episodes in DS9, so you
>can dismiss my opinion out of hand, quite frankly.
Count me in; I fancy Quark.
Harriet
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:16:35 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French...
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Oh Joanne, thank you so much!
(OK, Sally, you can put the crowbar away for now.)
Harriet
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:51:12 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]The B7 Movie
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Judith said:
>It has not yet been decided who will do the SFX, but
>a mixture of CGI and model work is intended at this
>stage. (Andrew has recently been working on 'Walking
>with Dinosaurs' which involves masses of animation
>and he says looks really good.)
I saw a preview for this the other night and it really does
look impressive.
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:18:07 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Mornington Crescent
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It came to me in a flash of inspiration last night while I was struggling with
back pain to try and write up my con notes.
I just have to play a Gan sacrifice. This allows me to move into Earth orbit
and thus -
"I've done it!" I've won.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:53:24 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In message <000001bf0475$ca904340$d8d8ac3e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk>,
Andrew Ellis <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes
>p.s. is this OK ?
Much better - thanks:-)
>p.p.s. How can you tell ?
What your software is, I presume? Well, if one sees upside down quoting
and lack of snipping one tends to assume OE, for good reason. But I
checked the headers in your post - one of the headers gives the software
used. Since I don't use OE, I've no idea how to make it display full
headers - if indeed, it *can* display full headers. If I cut and paste
the full headers from your email, you can see just how much information
there is. One of those lines tells me you're using
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
Any more discussion of this should really go to the spin list, unless
people want to speculate on how much cracking Avon could do with this
sort of info.
Calle, I see Lysator's machine has a very appropriate name, given one of
the current threads:-)
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:33:52 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Pita wrote:
<But what has struck me is that ONE good thing about the B7 movie
being set in the future is that it may well free up the unspoken
taboo that there seems to be on writing B7 stories set very far in
the B7 future. >
I don't think it's a taboo, it's just that most fan writers simply aren't
interested in moving that far forward in time. The aim of most fanfic is
the fond re-creation of the series as the writer feels it should have been.
<I guess that it is understandable that the most popular fan fic
settings are during the timespan of the screened episodes - if you
want to take people along with you in the plot, you want to be fairly
certain that they believe in the characters and set-up.>
But in many cases the characters and set-up are the end, and the plot is
simply a means to that end. Not the other way round.
<(Obviously there are exceptions, and the PGP is a popular choice of
subgenre, but most PGPs are set soon after "Blake". In fact, I'd be
interested to hear of the best stories set way in the future.)>
There was a decent next-gen in one of the later Gambits, and Russ Massey did
two thirds of a trilogy in the Horizon zines. (Did you ever write that
third part, Russ?)
<Plenty of lame
episodes have contributed good stuff to the canon - the Tharn,
Dayna's ex-lover from "Animals" , Vila's tryst with Servalan in
"Moloch", the mindswitch of Ultraworld.>
The Vila/Servalan team-up was amusing. I wouldn't classify any of the other
three as 'good stuff'. Eh bien, chacun a son goute...
<I, for one look forward to the loosening of the stranglehold of the
canon. 20 years!!!! Think of all the interesting stuff that could
have happened to the survivors in that time...>
And just think what we're more likely to end up with instead...
Neil
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:23:09 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Mornington Crescent
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Una wrote:
>Curses! Neil and I were so busy pawing the ground I didn't spot you!
>
>I retire defeated.
Is that really the best you can do, McCormack. I'm retracting ALL my moves
as a violation of the Stock Equalisation Act, and then I'm setting the
controls for Cygnus XL.
Pah. Amateurs...
Neil
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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:44:54 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] Animals
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Had a peek at Una's site. Nice try if nothing else:)
I think the problem with Animals is that it just doesn't have much of worth
to redeem all the turgid stuff. There are a few bits that are pretty bad
(like Og, and Servalan's 'They have the Animal. They HAVE him.') but Una's
right in that any specific criticism can be matched by something equally
lame or worse elsewhere in the series. Animals amounts to an avalanche of
lameness with nothing to counterbalance it. The soapbox angle (on the
ethics of animal experimentation) is marginalised to the point of
non-existence and placed within the parameters of a relationship that nobody
really cares about in the first place. Any plot left over is so thin and
stuffed with obvious padding (eg Vila mucking about in the ballast tanks)
that it all crawls along at a pace the average slug could leave standing.
Animals is not so much a turkey as a flavourless chicken with soggy
cardboard replacing the Paxo. There are worse episodes. I want to know why
Una didn't list Dawn of the Gods as one of them.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:55:03 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation
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Harriet wrote:
> Una wrote:
> >But then I like the Ferengi episodes in DS9, so you
> >can dismiss my opinion out of hand, quite frankly.
>
> Count me in; I fancy Quark.
And the episodes are really, really funny...
Una
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