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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 246
Today's Topics:
Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
Re: [B7L] Wanker
Re: [B7L] Rewriting the Canon (wasPossible Federation Ender....)
Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
[B7L] Deathtraps
Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
[B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
[B7L] Jacqueline Pearce
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:52:56 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
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On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 05:00:25AM -0400, Huldah Beasley wrote:
> Okay. I hope to finish some of my fan fic :) I've been keeping up with
> Alison's dissertation on the introvert/extrovert subject. While easy to
> follow and understand, it makes me wonder if maybe I'm out of my league. I
> don't think I would have noticed if it hadn't been pointed out to me, at
> least not on a consciencious level. I've never felt like I needed a degree
> in Psychology just to hold a conversation before.
a) Don't worry about it.
b) Half the point of discussions like this is so that thoughtful
people can point out the things one never noticed.
c) Don't worry, we're just like that.
d) Don't worry, most of the voluble ones are older/have been fans longer
than you, so we've had more time to think about it.
e) Don't worry, we get silly and frivous too.
f) Don't worry about it.
> It also made me realize that I don't know much about B7 fandom. You guys
> are the first living, breathing B7 fans I've ever talked to (other than my
> friend Bess).
Ah, the joy of discovering that One Is Not Alone!
> people I know nothing about. I mean, what kind of people get almost
> obsessive over a show that had it's last series in '81 (I think)?
People with good taste. (-8
If you're really curious, look at the list archives.
http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/b7list/
> I've written fics for other shows, mainly one called "Buffy The Vampire
> Slayer".
Ah - would you be interested in writing a story for "Staked Blake",
a Buffy/Blake's 7 crossover zine I'm editing?
> Fans of that show are used to fic writers completely abusing the
> cannon and ignoring the ocassional time paradox,
Ah, maybe you shouldn't write a story for me then...
> but then, they're also used
> to vampires, demons and the ocassional slime monster. So, before I get deep
> into anything, my question (I know, I know it took me a while to get to the
> actual question) is how strict are you? Do I have to come up with a long,
> complicated mass of intersecting plot points or would you be cool with a few
> PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)?
Strict? Strict? Whatever you write hasn't got anything to do with
*us*, you can write whatever your heart desires. How could we dare
to be so arrogant to think that we have rules about what you can or
can't write? (!!!???!!!)
On the other hand, we're probably pretty picky about what we consider
to be a *good* story. And certain things - like gross violation of
canon - will quickly put your story into the "crap" category.
But if you ask ten different fans, you'll get ten different opinions
about what constitutes a good story. But probably fewer opinions about
what constitutes a bad story.
> PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)?
I doubt that *anyone* here is internet-challenged, and I suspect that
"PWP" is actually an older term than the popularisation of the net.
Question: I thought PWP's are usually erotica? Are there gen PWPs?
What would a gen PWP consist of? Or is "gen PWP" just another name
for a vignette?
Kathryn Andersen
(oldie and pedant)
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:31:32 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "blakes7 mailing list" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Wanker
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Huldah said -
>I've never felt like I needed a degree
>in Psychology just to hold a conversation before.
hrummph
Well I was just trying to stop the list being so quiet. And it is livening
up now, even if all the posts lately seem to say 'wanker' at the top.
>Black Adder, and later Red
>Dwarf.
yes
>(Bess) thinks Travis is " Cold, Calculating, Dark, Devious,
>Determined, Ruthless, Single-minded, Ruthless, Ruthless...and he, too, has
>the leather...and is ultra sexy"
yesss
But does Beth realise that you don't just have to *like* Travis? It is a
matter of great importance to choose the *right* Travis.
If you want to post or read 'adult' fiction then subscribe to Freedom City
as well as lysator. To be honest most fiction of all kinds gets posted there
anyway.
Alison
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:42:11 +0100
From: "Angua" <angua@viper244.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 Lysator List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rewriting the Canon (wasPossible Federation Ender....)
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Carol K wrote :
> I tried accessing Neil's website but keep getting a message saying the site
> does not exist.
You need to add a .htm to the end of the URL
http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/wehist.htm
It definitely works, I've been there - fascinating stuff.
Louise
http://starriders.net - Babylon 5, Blake's 7, SF cult tv and movies, free
graphics, and more
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:42:50 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
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In message <19990813195256.A14820@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
>> PWP's (that Plot? What Plot? for those of you who are internet challenged)?
>I doubt that *anyone* here is internet-challenged, and I suspect that
>"PWP" is actually an older term than the popularisation of the net.
Well, Oblaque uses the term, and I'd say that at 1988 that zine's older
than the popularisation of the net:-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:06:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Mark J Thompson <mark@ghostlands.demon.co.uk>
cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Deathtraps
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Deathtraps is the second CD in the Soldiers of Love series and I feel it is
slightly weaker than the first one. This is almost entirely due to one of the
subplots being poor. The rest I found as enjoyable as the first one.
Gareth Thomas has taken over the role of the villanious editor. I often
wondered what Gareth would be like playing a megalomaniac with delusiions of
grandeur - now I know. Way over the top and obviously relishing every moment.
His opening speech is a delight, with a concluding sentence that had all of us
laughing.
I particularly enjoyed his scenes with Gulgolin, a fussy alien official.
Jackie Pearce plays Madame Deephole, the owner of a brothel. Those who have
seen Jackie's sense of humour at conventions will have no difficulty imagining
her playing the double entendres which fill a good portion of her dialogue (I
kept being reminded of a 'Carry On' movie. It really is that kind of smutty
humour.) I'm pretty certain she'll be back for the next CD - the part came over
very well and I'd be very surprised indeed if she wasn't enjoying it. She plays
the part with a slight European accent and sounds very good.
I didn't feel Michael Keating was quite so well served this time around. His
character, Mydas, has had his mind emptied by the villain and hence he goes
around babbling nonsense - though some of it is fairly amusing nonsense.
There's a long flashback scene to when he first met his wife - notable chiefly
for the number of smutty jokes that can be managed about playing a 'cello (more
than you think).
The lowest point is the scenes set on the spacecraft carrying Maureen Mydason
(Mydas's wife). Although I actually liked Maureen's performance better than
last time (she's played by Alison Taffs), the rest of the characters on the trip
left me stone cold and the space dentist was dreadful. The jokes managed to
cross the line between smutty and funny to smutty and boring. When you get to
the dentist's song, just skip to the next track.
Michael gets to sing a song later on and that is much better. Nothing
brilliant, but not too dire either.
This whole space dentist scene is even more annoying as it seems irrelevent to
the main story. Most of the other scenes are adding something to the overall
plot and it's obvious that there's a lot to discover about what the Editor's
overall plans are. I enjoyed the areas where the plot was developing, where we
find out more about the Space Patrol and who wanted Cindy out of her job.
This series will not appeal to those looking for meaningful satire or a probing
analysis of a probable future. It bears the kind of relationship to serious SF
that 'Carry on up the Khyber' does to the history of the British in India.
If you enjoyed the first CD, then you'll probably enjoy this one. If you're
thinking of getting it for Gareth, Jackie and Michael's performances (not
forgetting Nicholas Courtney as King Turnildus) then I think it's worth is as
long as you don't mind smutty jokes. The element that appeals to me is what I
only describe as the 'comic book' style - the characters cheerfully make long
monologues to the listener and most characters are played larger than life. I
think it is that larger than life element that I enjoy, when aliens treat the
contents of their wardrobe more seriously than their foreign policy and weapons
have effects that fit the needs of the plot rather than worrying about petty
things like realism.
I love genuine hard SF, but Soldiers of Love is something that I enjoy on a
different level.
Judith
PS. Last, but not least, don't buy this CD on its own. The plot will make no
sense at all if you have not heard the first one. If there are people who are
put off by this and want to hear this one for Gareth and Jackie's performance,
then contact me and I'll have a go at providing a plot synopsis.
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:56:14 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
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Kathryn wrote:
< On the other hand, we're probably pretty picky about what we consider
to be a *good* story. And certain things - like gross violation of
canon - will quickly put your story into the "crap" category.
But if you ask ten different fans, you'll get ten different opinions
about what constitutes a good story.>
And ten different opinions about what constitutes canon as well...<g>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:38:26 -0400
From: "Huldah Beasley" <hbeasl1@umbc.edu>
To: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>,
"blakes7 mailing list" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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Una Wrote:
>I'm happy to read whatever you post, Huldah, be it fragments, or large
>stories (split across several posts - tho' <g>). I think that goes pretty
>generally, but I can't speak for other people.
>
>The only main proviso for posting to this list, I believe, is that you
avoid
>adult subject matter.
>
>
>Una
>
1.
No adult subject matter? *sniffles, pouts* Darn. Oh well, I don't mind,
but you're the one what's got to tell Avon he isn't gonna get any this time
'round :)
2.
Where can I get copies of the eps for a decent price (in the U.S.)?
Cheapest I've found is Amazon.com for $16.99 per tape (2 eps). Last time I
saw them I was 8, so some stuffs kinda fuzzy and one ep a week on MPT just
isn't giving me my fix.
3.
If you are offended by harsh language please do not read this:
"It's shite being Scottish! We're the lowest of the fucking low, the scum
of the earth, the most wretched, servile, miserable, pathetic trash that was
ever shat into civilization. Some people hate the English. I don't.
They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are colonized by wankers. We
can't even pick a decent culture to be
colonized by. We are ruled by effete assholes. It's a shite state of
affairs and all the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking
difference."
Go Renton!!!
4.
Okay Calle. Not *almost* obssesive. Let's try obssesive to the point of
spending waaaay too much time trying to figure out a way for everyone to
make it off Guada Prime alive (other than the magical monkeys from Oz coming
to wisk them away from the danger just in the nick of time), and other large
chunks of your time reading 'bout how others got them off alive :)
5.
Mk. Joanne and Carol are talking about something that sounds really
interesting and I have no idea what it is. Throw me a bone.
6.
Conventions. Are there any? And if there are, am I gonna hafta trek my
butt all the way to England to get to one?
S'all folks
H
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:30:22 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] No adult subject matter!?!, among other things.
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On Sat 14 Aug, Huldah Beasley wrote:
> 6.
> Conventions. Are there any? And if there are, am I gonna hafta trek my
> butt all the way to England to get to one?
Redemption - Feb 2001 Should be great fun. Everyone enjoyed themselves last
time.
See http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 for con reports and photos from the last
Redemption (look under conventions) and http://www.smof.com/redemption/ for
details of the next Redemption.
It's a great way to meet loads of fellow fans and spend a whole weekend
discussing your favourite subject (and we always timetable a few sessions for
those who want to discuss adult topics. Find out just what a slash turkey
reading is...)
Judith
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:01:26 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Fanfic (was Re: [B7L] Wanker)
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On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 04:56:14PM -0700, Sally Manton wrote:
> Kathryn wrote:
> < On the other hand, we're probably pretty picky about what we consider
> to be a *good* story. And certain things - like gross violation of
> canon - will quickly put your story into the "crap" category.
> But if you ask ten different fans, you'll get ten different opinions
> about what constitutes a good story.>
>
>
> And ten different opinions about what constitutes canon as well...<g>
Three different opinions about what constitutes canon(*); twelve
different opinions about what it means.(**)
(*) Opinion #1 - what was aired; the 52 episodes and that's all.
Opinion #2 - what was aired plus the scripts plus what people
connected with the show said. Opinion #3 - what was aired plus what
was said, plus all the radio plays (and probably the movie too)
(**) Yes, that's more than ten. Some people like to argue both sides.
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:19:29 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Jacqueline Pearce
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There is a short review of JP's one-woman show at the following web site:
http://www8-144.web.dircon.net/www8-144/cgi-bin/view.pl?u=14
Carol Mc
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