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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 19
Today's Topics:
Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #320
Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #315
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:21:35 GMT
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> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:11:40 +0100 (MET)
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> blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 320
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: [B7L] B7L- red lobster suit
> Re: [B7L] RPG
> Re: [B7L] Free time again
> Re: [B7L] RPG
> Re: [B7L] B7L- red lobster suit
> [B7L] help!
> [B7L] Travis, casting, etc.
> [B7L] Travis, etc.
> Re: [B7L] worst cast
> Re: [B7L] B7L- red lobster suit
> Re: [B7L] Travis, etc.
> [B7L] Broken Hearts
> Re: [B7L] Travis, etc.
> [B7L] red lobster suit
> [B7L] Travis, etc.
> Re: [B7L] Travis, etc.
> Re: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
> Re: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
> Re: [B7L] Free time again
> [B7L] Re: Pink Floyd
> Re: [B7L] Travis, casting, etc.
> Re: [B7L] Tarrant (that'll get Carol's attention <grin>)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:41:06 -0000
> From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
> To: "Debra Collard" <Debra@whisson1.freeserve.co.uk>,
> "B7L" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] B7L- red lobster suit
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> ----------
> From: Debra Collard <Debra@whisson1.freeserve.co.uk>
> > I must have missed the red lobster suit(until very recently, Christmas in
> fact, I had > loads of first season tapes missing from my collection), but
> so that I can judge for > myself what episode should I watch?
>
>
> He wears the red leather suit in Weapon.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:53:53 -0000
> From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG
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> ----------
> > From: calle@lysator.liu.se
> > Unless it's a very, *very* strange campaign, Orac absolutely should
> > not be a player character.
>
> Hm.
>
> Again, I could see him work in Paranoia...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:45:55 -0000
> From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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> ----------
> > From: U.M. Mccormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
> > Someone said (sorry, I lost your name):
> >
> > >Floyd is the kind of music that needs to be listened to whilst being
> > >still
> >
> > Very much so in my case. I fell asleep half way through their concert at
> > Earl's Court in (?) 1994.
>
>
> Heresy!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:51:40 -0000
> From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG
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> ----------
> > From: calle@lysator.liu.se
> > > This is especially true for us because my husband is a strict
> > > "rules" gameplayer; he'd never think of fudging a roll in the
> > > interests of the story line, and he'd be offended if I did so.
> >
> > Weee, my very opposite. One of my players once calculated that on the
> > average, I use dice in almost every third gaming session :-)
>
> I tend to roll whether actually doing something or not - it keeps the
> players on edge.
>
> But absolutely I'll ignore an outcome if it's in the best interests of the
> game - say, if everyone's about to die...
>
> > It makes for a great prequel, though. You tell the players to choose
> > characters from the series crew, then you run a really, really bad
> > blood'n'guts session killing off all but one or two of them. For the
> > next session, they get to play the new recruits. A small group of
> > rebels, led by a *seriously* bitter and nasty (NPC) Cally (or whoever
> > is left over from session one). For added spice, put her in a
> > wheelchair, give her a couple of bad burn-scars and boost her psychic
> > powers so that the PCs can't keep anything secret from her. Sort of
> > like Santa Claus on a bad angst-trip. "She knows if you've been good
> > or bad..."
>
> This of course would really suit Paranoia...
>
> Or Call Of Cthulhu.
>
> Hm. I wonder how a B7 game would work with the HOL rules...
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:22:41 PST
> From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] B7L- red lobster suit
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> >He wears the red leather suit in Weapon.
>
> And 'Pressure Point'. And might I add I think it's a pretty darn snazzy
> get-up.
>
> -- Penny "Red Leather Yellow Leather" Dreadful
>
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> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:14:28 EST
> From: Carolyn772@aol.com
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Cc: space-city@world.std.com
> Subject: [B7L] help!
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> I entered a raffle at Visions this year, and won a portrait of the "science-
> fiction or fantasy character" of my choice. The artist is Jon Stadter, and if
> the portrait is in the same style as the ones he exhibited at Visions, I'll be
> ecstatic.
>
> Naturally, <g>, I have chosen Avon. However, "bearer is responsible for
> providing source material for said character." I have to have the material to
> him by January 31st, and don't have a lot to choose from.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions? I have downloaded some of the excellent
> files from Paul James' web site, and hope he will accept this as a source.
>
> Artists on the list---would this work for you, or do you think I ought to try
> and find some "hard copy?"
>
> Carolyn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:01:33 PST
> From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Travis, casting, etc.
> Message-ID: <19981228230134.933.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>
> Came back to work today to find over 50 messages, most of them about
> role playing games and the like, none of which I have a hope in hell of
> understanding, I'm afraid. <grin> It's interesting to see what will
> actually inspire Calle to write something other than admonishments to
> behave ourselves.
>
> Speaking of behaving themselves: I'm not sure if my computer at work has
> recovered from tidal waves of drool generated by the Godmother, and
> it'll have no chance to recover now, what with people drooling over Avon
> in leather of any colour. <grin> I share the Angels', erm, passion, by
> the way, but I'm just worried about getting any work done this week -
> I'd rather not have the machine fizzle out due to sizzling imaginations.
> Damn good thing I'm not on the other list, in that case.
>
> To Roger the Shrubber: that's a wonderful title you've dreamed up
> <smile>. The Star Trek fans on the list must be grinning. I don't know
> what Carol thinks of the casting for Tarrant - I'm under the impression
> that she prefers tall and dark to short and blond.
>
> Penny Dreadful lives up to her nom de web by casting Drew Carey and
> Woody Harrelson as, well, anyone, let alone Blake and Servalan. That
> wipes the smile off my face.
>
> Harriet said: >If Basil is Krantor, can Manuel be Toise?
>
> Can't see it myself (the ABC is repeating Fawlty Towers on Saturday
> nights at the moment). How about Sybil? Well, it's just a suggestion.
> Sybil and Basil seem to be operating on roughly the same planet, as do
> Krantor and Toise. Manuel might be better off as the croupier.
>
> Regards
> Joanne
>
> Everybody is important, special, and worthy. Except people who you'd
> rather slap.
> --Kaz Cooke, The Little Book of Crap
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:18:17 PST
> From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Travis, etc.
> Message-ID: <19981228231817.17131.qmail@hotmail.com>
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> Call me a complete innocent, but how is it obvious, Pat P, that Travis
> loves Servalan? <smile> I'm not saying it isn't a legitimate
> interpretation, but I just can't see it.
>
> It's a little like the fact that I can't see a relationship between
> Krantor and Toise - I can't see anyone coming between Krantor and that
> mirror of his, and Toise is little more to him than a flunkey.
>
> Then again, the twenty-odd year old me was most surprised to find out
> that Avon had ever had a girlfriend because, on the evidence of what I
> could remember of the 4th series, the twelve year old me thought he
> didn't go in for that sort of thing. How wrong I was <grin>!
>
> Regards
> Joanne
>
> Hope and Nemesis are together at the same time upon our altars, clearly
> that you may not hope for that which is not lawful.
> --Emblem 46, Alciato's Emblematum liber.
>
> PS Good question, Neil, very good question. Yes, just how was Servalan
> deposed, why, whom and by what? <grin>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:06:45 -0800
> From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] worst cast
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> Roger the Shrubber wrote:
> >
> > BLAKES 7 THE MOVIE
>
> > Servalan..........................Boy George
> oooohhh, wicked
>
> > ORAC..............................Judge Judy
> and we thought "he" was hard on us
> >
> > Special guests - The Two Fat Ladies as the Decimas
> ALL of them???!!!
> then again, maybe so!
>
> > Written by........................Paul Darrow
> <snort> Bwa ha ha ha ha!
> A Terrible Insurrection
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:30:37 PST
> From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] B7L- red lobster suit
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> >>He wears the red leather suit in Weapon.
> >
> >And 'Pressure Point'. And might I add I think it's a pretty darn snazzy
> get-up.
> >
> And especially when (at the start of weapon) he gets rid of the top.
> (Does he do this in Dawn of the Gods too? Or is my memory playing up?)
> Anyway, the plain black top and red leather pants are definitely nice.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:47:20 -0800
> From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis, etc.
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> Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> > Call me a complete innocent, but how is it obvious, Pat P, that Travis
> > loves Servalan? <smile> I'm not saying it isn't a legitimate
> > interpretation, but I just can't see it.
> As with so much of the "drama" on Blakes 7, much is said via subtle
> expression and body language. Watch Travis when Servalan, nibbling
> grapes, dismisses him in The Keeper. To what do you attribute his angst?
> Plain pride?
> Anyway, as a theory, it works well to explain canon and launch fanfic.
>
> re:
> >Basil Fawlty as the manager of Freedom City
> Harriet wrote:
> Now this one I really like... If Basil is Krantor, can Manuel be Toise?
> Bwa ha ha ha ha!
> And Sybil as the black spangled singler
>
> > It's a little like the fact that I can't see a relationship between
> > Krantor and Toise -
> Not even when Krantor is hand-feeding him tasty little tidbits?
> > I can't see anyone coming between Krantor and that
> > mirror of his,
> Krantor tried and tried but couldn't figure out how to f**k himself
> > and Toise is little more to him than a flunkey.
> not flunkey, toy boy
>
> Perhaps you'd rather Manuel play The Klute?
> Not speaking standard FedSpeak would make any game more challenging
>
> > PS Good question, Neil, very good question. Yes, just how was Servalan
> > deposed, why, whom and by what? <grin>
>
> Yes, why Neil, can *you* tell us why?
>
> Pat P
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:03:12 -0800
> From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Broken Hearts
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> Penny Dreadful wrote:
> re:
> > >Please post it to the list in time for a "broken hearts"
> > >Valentines Day gazette here.
> >
> > What, you mean here, or on the Naughty List?
>
> Yeah here, why not? The best love stories do not get mired in sex.
> The best love stories focus on tragic love or unrequited love.
> And since there are no happy endings in Blakes 7, tragic love stories
> should flourish on this list.
> (The racy ones can go on Space City)
>
> These could be short dabbles or longer shorts. And there's a good 6
> weeks til Valentines Day, so everyone's got time to craft a
> contribution.
>
> OK, I'll do
> Travis & Servalan
> Sittin' in a tree
> K-I-S-S-I-N-G
> [oh gag!]
>
> Meanwhile, to shatter a love we must first create a love.
> What sort of "lonely hearts" personal ad would the B7 characters put in
> the classifieds section of the newspaper?
>
> Vila:
> Are you a long-legged beauty? Do you adopt poor, homeless strays that
> turn up on rainy nights? Let me in! SWM, blond surfer dude type, wants
> to tease you with riddles, tempt you with epicurian concoctions, tango
> with you til two. Drugs, drinking ok. No kids or tiresome scruples.
>
> Pat P
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:40:54 PST
> From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis, etc.
> Message-ID: <19981229054055.12657.qmail@hotmail.com>
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> Me, then Pat P:
> >> It's a little like the fact that I can't see a relationship between
> >> Krantor and Toise -
> >Not even when Krantor is hand-feeding him tasty little tidbits?
>
> No. Not even then. If you're that much in love with yourself, as I find
> myself thinking Krantor is...well, you may toy with your servants, as
> Servalan does (might explain why Servalan and Krantor don't get on -
> they might be enough alike to hate each other's guts), but I don't think
> you'd allow them to get quite that close. Then again, that depends on
> how one views the Rai/Servalan relationship - is he merely a pretty boy
> for her to look at and then go home alone? Or does he meet needs other
> than the purely aesthetic?
>
> >> I can't see anyone coming between Krantor and that
> >> mirror of his,
> >Krantor tried and tried but couldn't figure out how to f**k himself
>
> <mock shock> Pat!!
>
> But part of the problem is that I find myself likening Krantor to Lord
> Henry, Dorian Gray's friend, and I can't see his Lordship doing anything
> that might make him look dishevelled or cause him to break out in a
> sweat. Hence my disbelief in a Krantor/Toise pairing. (Admittedly, Lord
> Henry annoyed me so much that I threw the book across the room before I
> could read very much of it. <shamefaced grin> Then I had to explain why
> I hadn't read it to the lecturer who had put it on the reading list for
> that English option at uni. No wonder I spent that session hiding behind
> my hair.)
>
> I like the idea of Manuel being the Klute, but that leaves the problem
> of teaching him ordinary chess, let alone speed chess.
>
> Regards
> Joanne
>
> Internet: where dolphins go.
> --glossary, Good News Week vol. 2
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:50:47 EST
> From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] red lobster suit
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> n a message dated 12/28/98 7:32:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> smanton@hotmail.com writes:
>
> << And especially when (at the start of weapon) he gets rid of the top.
> (Does he do this in Dawn of the Gods too? Or is my memory playing up?)
> Anyway, the plain black top and red leather pants are definitely nice. >>
>
> He most definitely DOES get rid of the top in "Dawn of the Gods" -- <sigh>
>
> One of Avon's Angels
> Suzanne
>
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> From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
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> To: smanton@hotmail.com
> Subject: red lobster suit
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:46:08 EST
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> In a message dated 12/28/98 7:32:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> smanton@hotmail.com writes:
>
> << And especially when (at the start of weapon) he gets rid of the top.
> (Does he do this in Dawn of the Gods too? Or is my memory playing up?)
> Anyway, the plain black top and red leather pants are definitely nice. >>
>
> He most definitely DOES get rid of the top in "Dawn of the Gods" -- <sigh>
>
> One of Avon's Angels
> Suzanne
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:56:39 EST
> From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Travis, etc.
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> In a message dated 12/28/98 3:29:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> j_macqueen@hotmail.com writes:
>
> << Call me a complete innocent, but how is it obvious, Pat P, that Travis
> loves Servalan? <smile> I'm not saying it isn't a legitimate
> interpretation, but I just can't see it. >>
>
> I can't either. It was always my impression that Travis not only did not love
> Servalan but that he had very little (if any) respect for her. As the
> dedicated military man he was, he respected her rank -- but I don't think he
> had any interest in her as a woman at all.
>
> One of Avon's Angel's
> Suzanne
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:52:20 -0000
> From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis, etc.
> Message-ID: <00a401be3303$5ffbab80$ef1fac3e@default>
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> >> PS Good question, Neil, very good question. Yes, just how was Servalan
> >> deposed, why, whom and by what? <grin>
> >
> >Yes, why Neil, can *you* tell us why?
> >
> >Pat P
>
>
> Iasked who, not why. The why is obvious. Not that you're remotely
> interested, doting as you are on speculative love affairs that have minimal
> support from the canon.
>
> Broken hearts are what sledgehammers were invented for. <g>
>
> Neil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:14:18 -0000
> From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
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> >>I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the
> >Federation.
> >
> >Hah! Servalan had loyalty to Servalan.
>
> Disagree completely. Servalan believed in the Federation. She just had a
> low opinion of the people in charge (they weren't *military*, dammit!)
> >
> >>Why did Travis make her the offer?
> >
> >Well, I'm inclined to say it was a come-on...but I won't...
>
> Thank frag for that!
>
> >Travis didn't want all that power, too complicated, messy. He wanted
> >*access* to all that power. He wanted Servalan to take control and just
> >give him whatever he asked for (Ships to chase Blake. Guns to shoot
> >Blake. Knives to stab Blake).
>
> Nope, he wanted to take out Star One, let the Andromedans in, and wave
> bye-bye to the human race. Since he went to Star One believing he was the
> only one knowing where it was, he had no reason to expect Blake to be there.
> Ergo eliminating Blake had become a lesser priority.
>
> My take on all this is in Wit and Wisdom of the Dead (Star 3): in order to
> justify 'the final act', Travis needed to believe that Servalan, along with
> the rest of the Federation, was corrupt beyond redemption. His offer of
> Star One on Goth was his way of testing Servalan. The result ran counter to
> his expectations but he went ahead anyway.
>
> Neil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:32:58 PST
> From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
> Message-ID: <19981229093259.766.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>
> I, in my customarily brilliant style, said:
>
> >>Hah! Servalan had loyalty to Servalan.
>
> Neil (Can I be Vyvyan, then?) said:
>
> >Disagree completely. Servalan believed in the Federation.
>
> She tried to rip them off in 'Deliverance'/'Orac' and 'Weapon', screwed
> them over to save her own skin in 'Pressure Point', *and* overthrew them
> at her earliest viable opportunity in 'Star One'. She may well have
> believed in *Servalan's Federation* (cf. Dave Barry, beating Terry
> Pratchett to the punch, I think - and I paraphrase: 'Power to the
> People: i.e. Power to Me and a Few of My Friends Who Know What's Good
> For The People') but inasmuch as loyalty to the Federation means
> respecting/obeying its precedents...No. Servalan is an Eva Peron who did
> not have the misfortune to die at 33.
> Or was that Jesus?
>
> >>>Why did Travis make her the offer?
> >>
> >>Well, I'm inclined to say it was a come-on...but I won't...
> >
> >Thank frag for that!
>
> Who the frag is frag, and if you revere Him so, why don't you capitalise
> His name?
>
> >>Travis didn't want all that power, too complicated, messy. He wanted
> >>*access* to all that power. He wanted Servalan to take control and
> just
> >>give him whatever he asked for (Ships to chase Blake. Guns to shoot
> >>Blake. Knives to stab Blake).
> >
> >Nope, he wanted to take out Star One, let the Andromedans in, and wave
> >bye-bye to the human race. Since he went to Star One believing he was
> the
> >only one knowing where it was, he had no reason to expect Blake to be
> there.
> >Ergo eliminating Blake had become a lesser priority.
>
> Aaah, I really would like to disagree with Neil here, but that's always
> been my reading...
>
> >Travis needed to believe that Servalan, along with
> >the rest of the Federation, was corrupt beyond redemption. His offer
> of
> >Star One on Goth was his way of testing Servalan. The result ran
> counter to
> >his expectations but he went ahead anyway.
>
> Yes, no doubt in my mind, it *was* by way of testing Servalan, but I
> don't imagine his reasoning was that *rational*.
>
> -- Penny "Why Don't We Do It In The Liberator" Dreadful
>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:14:43 -0000
> From: "Fifitrix" <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
> To: "U.M. Mccormack" <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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> >Someone said (sorry, I lost your name):
> >
> >>Floyd is the kind of music that needs to be listened to whilst being
> >>still
>
>
> Thats alright sweetie.....it was me.....
>
> >
> >Very much so in my case. I fell asleep half way through their concert at
> >Earl's Court in (?) 1994.
>
>
> because you were knackered ? or perhaps because the music relaxed you so
> much that you drifted off into a trance like sleep ?
>
> or were they just having an off night ?
>
> >
> >Hope everyone had a smashing Christmas.
> >Una
>
>
> This goes double for me. I was really ill with flu just before and over
> christmas so I did not get around to wishing everyone else a cool yule.
>
> Here's to a great New Years Eve and smashing 1999.
>
> Fifitrix
> xxxxxxx
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:24:33 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "U.M. Mccormack" <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
> To: Fifitrix <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
> cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Re: Pink Floyd
> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.981229132144.3144A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk>
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>
> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Fifitrix wrote:
>
> In response to my comment that:
>
> > >Very much so in my case. I fell asleep half way through their concert at
> > >Earl's Court in (?) 1994.
> >
> >
Dita, President and Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:20:50 GMT
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> From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #315
> To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
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> blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 315
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: [B7L] Redemption
> Re: [B7L] Clive James on TV
> [B7L] Babylon 5 in the UK
> [B7L] Free time again
> Re: [B7L] 'Duel'...
> [B7L] X Post Christmas
> [B7L] More on Free time
> [B7L] Travis and Servalan (was "Duel")
> [B7L] Re: Uncut
> [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV
> [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
> Re: [B7L] Free time again
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:15:21 -0000
> From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
> To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
> "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Cc: "Space City" <Space-city@world.std.com>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Redemption
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> ----------
> > From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
> > Brian Croucher will be coming to Redemption. He'll be there for all
> three days
> > (work permitting, of course).
>
> And that's supposed to be a good thing?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:12:52 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
> To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Clive James on TV
> Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.96.981222105906.6791D-100000@umm-pc.jims.cam.ac.uk>
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>
> Harriet said:
>
> >And we got several seconds of Moonbase Three! I want more!
>
> 'Moonbase 3' is cool. Not as good as 'Star Cops', and you need to watch it
> in 20 minute chunks so that you don't nod off (as the clip might have
> suggested to you!) but I really like it. Weirdly, the commander of the
> base has the character name 'David Calder' and, of course, that's the name
> of the actor who plays the commander of the Moonbase in 'Star Cops'...
> Spooky...
>
> I thought the clip from 'Doomwatch' was really hilarious, as well.
>
> Una
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Napoleon is on board a British ship, looking very depressed. One sailor is
> saying to the other "The poor sod think he's being exiled to St Helens."
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:21:11 -0500
> From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>,
> Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
> Subject: [B7L] Babylon 5 in the UK
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> By the way, I suppose most British B5 fans have already heard this, but I
> don't think I've seen it here: the final five episodes of season five are
> supposed to be broadcast on Channel 4 at 11.30 a.m. (yes, late morning)
> from Monday, December 28 to Friday, January 1. Then they do them again on
> Sundays at something like midnight from January 3 to January 31. I haven't
> got a TV guide for that far ahead yet, but I imagine they mean Sunday as in
> early hours of Monday, where they've been running season one recently. (We
> interrupt season one to bring you the end of the whole thing.)
>
> Harriet
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:25:29 EST
> From: Mac4781@aol.com
> To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Free time again
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> I think I have holiday preparations under control... <knock on wood> ... so
> it's back to fannish business.
>
> Judith wrote:
>
> > And a second oak leaf goes to Carol McCoy for the following intelligent
> > observation -
>
> I'm deeply honored. It's just a pity that Gan needs defending. As B7
> characters go, I'd choose him as my leader over all of the rest.
>
> Jo Ann brilliantly observed:
>
> > Tarrant and Dayna saved their supplies of patience for
> > situations where it was most needed.
>
> That's so true. For all of his reckless impetuosity, Tarrant could be cool,
> calm and collected when the situation required it. I loved how he handled the
> questions about Orac in DAWN.
>
> And additional brilliant Tarrant observations from Tiger M:
>
> > A while back, there was a thread about the kairopan stunt in "Harvest of
> > Kairos" and several people claimed that it was merely piracy. I agree that
> > it
> > was piracy, but I think there was more to it than that. By stealing the
> > kairopan, Tarrant and the Liberator crew would have been hitting the
> > Federation in a place where it would really hurt: the bank balance. It
> > takes
> > money to run a government, and from the looks of things, the Federation was
> > pretty shaky at that point. The loss of several billion credits worth of a
> > valuable resource would have had to hurt. Also, the scam almost worked.
> If
> > Tarrant had not been up against an opponent who knew him very well (his
> > former
> > commanding officer), it probably would have.
>
> What clever reasoning. I can believe that he had hurting the Federation as
> part of his motivation for going after the kairopan, and I can even understand
> why he didn't share that thought with his shipmates. He really didn't have
> any reason to believe they were dedicated revolutionaries at the time. Look
> at VOLCANO. It was Tarrant and Dayna who went to Obsidian to try to gain
> allies and a base to aid the fight against the Federation. Tarrant could very
> well have reasoned that the promise of a fortune was a better way to gain his
> shipmates' cooperation than a proposal to fight the Federation. As Tarrant
> noted in POWERPLAY, "Greed makes for efficient troopers." So why not think
> that greed would also make for efficient shipmates. Great thinking, Tiger M.
>
> Susan M. wrote about breakfast:
>
> > Vila: Beer and twinkies
> >
> > Vargas: The scenery
>
> ROFL! I love those.
>
> BTW, my Liberator spy swears that Tarrant eats cold pizza for breakfast
> (Vila's dinner leftovers as a matter of fact). Which I can well believe.
> Tarrant doesn't have the body of a glutton, sweet tooth or gourmand. He has
> the body of someone who grabs what is at the front of the fridge and doesn't
> think too much about what he's consuming.
>
> It was also Susan M. who asked:
>
> > Every time I hear "Learning to Fly" by Pink Floyd, I think about Tarrant.
> Does
> > anyone know if someone's done a vid for it?
>
> Not that I know of (and I hope I've not missed it if one exists <g>). The
> lyrics are wonderful for Tarrant. I could be tempted to give it a try myself
> but I'm fearful that Pink Floyd isn't my type of music. I'll have to research
> the matter.
>
> I've very much enjoyed the discussion of Travis, but I can't immediately think
> of anything to add.
>
> Carol Mc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:50:12 +0100 (BST)
> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'...
> Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1222195012-c72Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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>
> On Mon 21 Dec, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I think the first season Travis would have sacrificed his life if he thought
> > it would benefit the Federation. I also think he was willing to sacrifice
> > others lives as well and became more and more ticked at Servalan because her
> > motives were so often selfish.
>
> That's about my reading of him. He's the dedicated soldier. I agree he was
> willing to sacrifice others lives, though I don't think he was careless in that
> respect. Par said (in 'Trail') that Travis didn't waste men's lives.
>
> He was less careful as time passed though. Throwing the grenade that brought
> the roof down in 'Pressure Point' was careless.
>
> The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very self-centered
> ("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she actually
> failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the chance to
> control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down.
>
> I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the Federation.
>
> Why did Travis make her the offer?
>
> Why did she turn him down?
>
> Judith
>
> --
> http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
>
> Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
> 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
> http://www.smof.com/redemption/
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:01:05 -0800
> From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com (Penny L Kjelgaard)
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] X Post Christmas
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> Avon, Avon, What a guy!
> Kissed the girls and made them die.
> Hark ye! Heed this tale of woe,
> Don't hang up your mistletoe.
>
>
> Merry Christmas to you all!
>
> Peace,
> Penny
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:44:46 PST
> From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] More on Free time
> Message-ID: <19981222224448.27716.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>
> Carol sayeth: > It's just a pity that Gan needs defending. As B7
> >characters go, I'd choose him as my leader over all of the rest.
>
> Nice thought. Brilliant he may not be, but the sort of leadership he
> showed in "Cygnus Alpha" suggests he was very capable.
>
> >Jo Ann brilliantly observed:
>
> Ooh, I've been rechristened for Christmas <grin> Thanks, Carol! (Or
> should that be Carole <bigger grin>?)
>
> >> It takes money to run a government, and from the looks of things, >>
> the Federation was pretty shaky at that point. The loss of several >>
> billion credits worth of a valuable resource would have had to hurt.
> Just a question. How well guarded was this whole operation? It's one
> thing, you see, to have a whole planet to yourself, like what'shisface
> in "Games", but not having seen the episode in question, I have no idea
> what the opportunities might have been for someone to find a way to make
> a sufficient quantity of kairopan "disappear".
>
> >Susan M. wrote about breakfast:
> >> Vargas: The scenery
> >ROFL! I love those.
>
> <smile> So do I. Explains why the architectural style was "early
> maniac": Vargas had been so busy that only rocky outcrops were left.
>
> >Tarrant doesn't have the body of a glutton, sweet tooth or gourmand. >
> He has the body of someone who grabs what is at the front of the >fridge
> and doesn't think too much about what he's consuming.
>
> <grimace> Heaven help his digestive system (and Heaven help my computer
> at work - I can see the drool pouring out of it again <grin>). That,
> potentially, could lead to a diet worse than the one you've just
> suggested for Vila! Which reminds me of something that annoyed me about
> "The Sevenfold Crown" - Vila is, possibly, a drunken sot at his worst,
> but I can't see him eating vast quantities. He's a thief, for Heaven's
> sake! If he's as good as Avon says of him, then there's no way in the
> universe he'd eat that much. Thieves have to keep their figures too, you
> know <smile>. I can only suppose that the writer wanted to distinguish
> between him and the king, who carouses in the traditional manner.
>
> I hope that everyone on the list has a good time carousing in the
> traditional manner over the holidays.
>
> Regards and best wishes
> Joanne
>
> All the bells are gaily ringing
> Birds in every tree are singing
> Let us in the golden weather
> Gather Christmas bush together
> --another Australian Christmas carol.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:20:53 EST
> From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] Travis and Servalan (was "Duel")
> Message-ID: <cc87ee6b.36802955@aol.com>
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> In a message dated 98-12-22 16:53:43 EST, you write:
>
> << The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very self-
> centered
> ("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she actually
> failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the chance
> to
> control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down.
>
> I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the Federation.
>
> Why did Travis make her the offer?
>
> Why did she turn him down?
> >>
>
> I'm not sure why he made the offer, but perhaps she turned him down because
> she was on the verge of making her try for the presidency and didn't want to
> be associated with Travis. Or maybe she didn't believe he had really found it
> or would succeed in taking it over.
>
> Tiger M
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:37:50 -0500
> From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: [B7L] Re: Uncut
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> Judith asked:
> >Has anyone thought of writing to Fabulous Films and asking
> >them to use the aired version of 'Rescue' when they get to that
> >stage in the releases?
>
> Are you volunteering? Or suggesting a mass campaign (in which case we'd
> better all have the address)? Will Fab Films actually have access to the
> original, or just what the BBC gave them?
>
> Harriet
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:38:50 -0500
> From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: [B7L] Re: Clive James on TV
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> Joanne asked:
> >> We didn't see Brian the Snail
> >
> >Definitely need an explanation here. Seeing as you
> >mentioned Jarvik, could it be that the reference is to
> >the kairopan gobbler in "Harvest of Kairos"?
>
> The same. Except I meant Spider. Sheelagh Wells explains in Inside Story
> that the gobbler was popularly known as Brian the Spider at time of
> filming. She appears to think it was instrumental in her overcoming her
> arachnophobia.
>
> Harriet
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:09:07 PST
> From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: [B7L] T.'s Offer to S. in 'The Keeper'
> Message-ID: <19981223000907.12010.qmail@hotmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Judith said:
>
> >The odd thing about Servalan is that although she was often very
> self-centered
> >("You hesitated. My life was in danger and you hesitated."), she
> actually
> >failed to accept Travis's offer in 'The Keeper'. He offered her the
> chance to
> >control Star one and the Federation and she turned him down.
> >
> >I'm forced to conclude that Servalan did have some loyalty to the
> Federation.
>
> Hah! Servalan had loyalty to Servalan.
>
> >Why did Travis make her the offer?
>
> Well, I'm inclined to say it was a come-on...but I won't...
> Travis didn't want all that power, too complicated, messy. He wanted
> *access* to all that power. He wanted Servalan to take control and just
> give him whatever he asked for (Ships to chase Blake. Guns to shoot
> Blake. Knives to stab Blake). It's like she would be the owner of the
> metaphorical Mercedes and responsible for upkeep and insurance, but he
> could have the keys when he needed to drive somewhere.
> And I think he figured the Federation deserved her...
>
> >Why did she turn him down?
>
> She didn't know he *already had* the brain print, or she would have
> agreed to whatever he said, and had him killed whenever it was
> convenient for her. As it was she wasn't prepared to contemplate sharing
> power with someone whose insanity was, by this point, more dangerous
> than useful - I get the impression that the head trauma inflicted upon
> him by Chevy...Cheva...Krantor's thug in 'Gambit' jarred his brain loose
> for good - moreover she didn't respect him enough to *pretend* to
> consider it, which I think she would have done with Season 1 Travis.
>
> -- Penny Dreadful
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:31:23 -0000
> From: "Fifitrix" <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
> To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Free time again
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> <snip>
> >> Every time I hear "Learning to Fly" by Pink Floyd, I think about Tarrant.
> >Does
> >> anyone know if someone's done a vid for it?
> >
> >Not that I know of (and I hope I've not missed it if one exists <g>). The
> >lyrics are wonderful for Tarrant. I could be tempted to give it a try
> myself
> >but I'm fearful that Pink Floyd isn't my type of music. I'll have to
> research
> >the matter.
> <snip>
> >Carol Mc
>
>
> I LOVE Pink Floyd - my personal favourite is "The Great Gig in the Sky"
> which was unbelievable when I saw them live. (btw - a male friend that I was
> with said "that's some pair of lungs that girl's got" and for once I
> actually believe he was talking about lungs)
> Floyd is the kind of music that needs to be listened to whilst being still,
> I feel. I'm not sure why. I like to let it wash over me in waves. Its
> excellent for clearing out your head space after a hectic day.
> anyway - go get "learning to fly" - its great.
>
> also like - "shine on you crazy diamond"
>
> Fifitrix
> xxx
>
> --------------------------------
> End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #315
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>
Dita, President and Supreme Commander of the Terran Federation.
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