From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #186 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/186 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 186 Today's Topics: [B7L] Star Cops (was Re: What if. . . ? A non-canonic thought about the crew) Re: [B7L] Mutoid query Re: [B7L] BlakePark by Alison Now Online! Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds [B7L] Re: Jenna the Vampire Slayer Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds [B7L] Re: Blake & Government... Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds [B7L] Additions to zine lists Re: [B7L] Zen query [B7L] Fridge magnet Re: [B7L] Mutoid query Re: [B7L] Mutoid query [B7L] Re: Wristwatches Re: [B7L] Additions to zine lists Re: [B7L] Re: Blake & Government... Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Re: [B7L] Mutoid query [B7L] Zen Query Re: [B7L] Star Cops Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds [B7L] Zine rescue; new zine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:40:05 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Star Cops (was Re: What if. . . ? A non-canonic thought about the crew) Message-ID: <199906081740_MC2-78AF-C12B@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Judith wrote: >Kenzie has a lot in common with Avon in spite of being female Yes, when I first saw her I thought "Jenna, allowed to stay that way". Then, a few episodes later, I thought "no, hang on, she's Avon turned into a rather talkative blonde!" Cast a new light on her relations with Spring... >and Box *is* Orac. A bit polite for Orac, surely? I do love the bit with the pool table. >The good news is that Chris says I can publish his second Star Cops novel HURRAH!!!!!!!!!!! And then can we talk him into writing the Lost Four Episodes? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: J MacQueen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Mutoid query Message-ID: <19990608223210.19042.rocketmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Kathryn Andersen wrote: > Yes, mutoids can survive on human > blood, but maybe the "serum" is required for them to > work at top efficiency. That would make sense to me. Change "human" to "any" blood, and you remember that, in Duel, the Keira mutoid was able to function for a short while on the blood of the creatures she'd trapped, but they weren't good enough (hence her getting a bit hasty about extracting Jenna's blood later on). Something must be mixed with it (and I don't mean only to achieve the interesting colour ) - I don't know, added marrowbone, mineral oil for the cyborgy bits, Vitamin D for the sunlight they weren't getting (well, maybe that's taking the comparison to vampires a little too far)... > 5) They were designed by a sadist, (see (2)) and > Federation beaurocracy is so full of inertia, that > they never changed the design. The Federation bureaucracy is probably full of potential sadists. Maybe they loved the design. Especially if it could act as the bogeyman against rebellious elements. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: J MacQueen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] BlakePark by Alison Now Online! Message-ID: <19990608223524.16711.rocketmail@web901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Penny Dreadful wrote: > "Oh My God, He Killed Blake!" the latest envelope- > pushing artistic triumph by Alison Page, I'm forwarding that one to my brother. He'll love it, seeing as he likes both programmes. Well done, Alison, and yes, li'l Avon is too precious for words in the cartoon. Congratulations are in order for li'l Soolin and li'l Vila as well. Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: J MacQueen To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-ID: <19990608223935.20179.rocketmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Calle Dybedahl wrote: > (I'm fairly sure this is from Machiavelli, but for > some reason I never read _The Prince_) Woooh, sounds like you don't need to, Calle. Should we be afraid? Regards Joanne _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:42:54 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Vampire Slayer Message-ID: <375D9C6E.1BB09865@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KMWilcox wrote: "If someone wants, I suppose I could dust off that "Jenna the Vampire Slayer" thing I started last year and actually finish it." yes please -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson "What is it with you and holes?" Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:42:41 -0600 From: Arkaroo To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-ID: <375DAA71.CD1@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Clother wrote: >Blake? Lenin? Er, I might let you get away with comparing Travis to Lenin, >but Blake? No way. For a start, Blake had a genuine belief in the idea of Even though the Lenin/Blake analogy doesn't quite work, I still think there can be some interesting (though wildly inaccurate) comparisons. Let's think... dum-de-dum... Ah-hah! Here we go: 1) Tarrant -> Trotsky [disciplinarian when in charge of the army, and later becomes advocate of internal criticism, eventually turfed by the party and forced to go solo] 2) Travis -> Stalin [relatively uneducated, willingness to kill wholesale for the cause] 3) Servalan -> Lenin [clever, pragmatic, leadership qualities up the wazoo, snappy dresser, motivational speaker] If we accept these analogies then, of course, there's only once person that Blake could be, as an opponent of Travis/Stalin and Servalan/Lenin. 4) Blake -> Benito Mussolini! I mean, the leather suits, the fanatic followers... Aiiiee! Although, really, he always struck me as a more bloodthirsty Lech Walesa. I can imagine the Fan-Fic now [ala Mao Tse-Tung]: "Death to The Seven Traitors!" cried Travis. "Let the Glorious Cherry Blossoms of the Eternal Federation eliminate those Despised Enemies of the People!" Arkaroo "The People's Poet" Fleabane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:34:55 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Blake & Government... Message-ID: <199906082135_MC2-78AE-57DA@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gary wrote: >I see Blake keeping power more in a winston Churchill-ian way. >He would have taken charge only to make sure that things went > the right way. Once he knew that they couldn't become as ruthless >as the current regime, he would probably get out. I can see all of this, except the connection with Churchill, who is generally thought to have clung on to the role of prime minister too long when retiring earlier would have done his reputation a lot more good... Then Una went on to ask: >Why GP and not anywhere else? Presumably some reason connected with its Open Planet status and the lack of Federation troops, though the blockade would seem to be a bit of a nuisance. It would be very interesting to know what Blake was planning to do about the return to Federation membership - leave, or continue to work underground? Somehow exploit the change of status? Assassinate the inspectors who came to check that law had been restored? Secretly run the new government through his agents and thus gain access to some Federation resource or other? Could it even have been his idea to make the application, which unfortunately backfired? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:17:18 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-ID: <19990609071718.B827@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, May 15, 1999 at 10:30:50PM -0600, Ellynne G. wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:07:06 +0100 "Una McCormack" > writes: > > > >Would Blake have installed someone to do these sorts of things for > >him, and > >turn a blind eye at their activities? > > > As in "Yoo-hoo, Avon, I've got a little job for you."? OK, Avon doesn't > go for mass slaughter (although I've always wondered if he didn't do a > little strategic destruction on Chenga after hearing what they meant to > do to Cally and Vila [what's the point of having the most powerful ship > in the galaxy if you don't blow things up from time to time? Besides, he > wanted to impress the new crew]). Maybe he'd get Dayna. Or Soolin? If he wanted to use Dayna, he'd appeal to her bloodthirsty idealism. If he wanted to use Soolin, he'd cite cold practicality - which somehow I can't see him doing. Or are you saying that *Avon* would delegate to Dayna? I can't see Blake instigating such things, but I can see Avon being ruthless enough to do such things over Blake's half-hearted protests. Kat Avonsen -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 99 04:04:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] Additions to zine lists Message-Id: <199906090411.EAA29217@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those of you who are maintaining your own copies of the B7 zine lists, here are some things to add. Some are new zines that debuted at MediaWest, but that I didn't know for certain would be there when I posted the full lists (including my own!). Others are older zines that I've only just discovered. One mysterious item is the following; I recently found an old review of it but have never actually seen the zine. PRIME ATTACK (by Mark Lang; AU? 1985? possibly part of BLAKE'S QUEST?) Any information about this or other mystery zines (DOUBLE LINE, ROOM TO BREATHE, etc.) will be greatly appreciated! Additions to zine lists: A. All-B7 fiction and poetry gen zines AVON #17: Full Circle (story by Penny Kjelgaard; UK, 1999) ORAC'S MESSAGE/A KNIGHTLY MEMORY (two stories by Julie Talbott; UK?, 1992) SHADOWS & SURVIVORS (story by Julie Talbott; UK?, 1992; also in AVON #3) XENON #6 (AU, 1988.10) (does anyone know whether there were still more issues of this zine?) B. Multimedia fiction and poetry gen zines with B7 material ANYTHING GOES #3 (B7 poetry only; US, 1994.4) PEERS OF THE REALM (US, 1990.7) C. Nonfiction A GUIDE TO BLAKE'S 7 EROTICA, Vol. 2 (bibliography, compiled by S. E. Thompson; US, 1999.5) D. All-B7 slash and adult zines FIRE AND ICE #5 (slash, all A/B; US, 1999.5) [I had already listed the two new issues of SOUTHERN COMFORT once Annie announced that they would definitely be available at the con.] E. Multimedia slash and adult zines with B7 material DIVERSE DOINGS #4 (slash; US, 1999.5) THIS HAPPY BREED OF MEN-- THIS ENGLAND (slash; US, 1998) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Borg To: B7 List Subject: Re: [B7L] Zen query Message-ID: <19990609050322.14698.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit mistral@ptinet.net wrote: > If Zen is a 'capacity-charged brain' (Harvest), does > that > imply an organic component? Thoughts, anyone? As per Kathryn's reply, this statement doesn't necessarily suggest organic technology is present. However, there's Avon's comment (can't recall the ep. probably Cygnus Alpha) that the technology has an organic feel. I'd always assumed there was some organic component. There is evidence to suggest that this kind of technology was possible (Ultraworld) in the B7 galaxy, and given the nature of the Spaceworld occupants' link to their systems, it seems reasonable to assume that there is something organic about the whole thing. Being slightly real-world about it, computers that learn are difficult to make, and true artificial intelligence is unlikely to exist through technology in it's current form. Organic technology, where the 'brain' can effectively change itself (i.e. reconfigure it's internal connections, effectively "learning") I think is the most likely path to AI, however, at that point, is it artificial? In fact, would intelligence be artificial just because it's based on silicon-type technology? I digress.... basically, I think Zen did have some organic components, and I think there's enough (allbeit very little) in the show to make this a viable suggestion. Peter. === -- Peter Borg peter_borg@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:16:45 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Space City Subject: [B7L] Fridge magnet Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I've made a few copies of my favourite Redemption photo into fridge magnets. If anyone wants a photo of Brian Croucher with his arm around the shoulders of our Gareth standee (who looks as if he's looking right back at Brian), then seek no further. Unless you knew it was a standee, you probably wouldn't guess from this photo. Gareth looks incredibly lifelike (probably because we dressed him in real clothes). He is of course holding a realistic replica of a pint. Cost is 1.75 pounds per magnet in the UK. 1.85 pounds Europe. 2.20 rest of the world. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:02:28 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Mutoid query Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 08 Jun, Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > I always assumed that they'd cyborged out the digestive system, so > they had to get their nutrient pre-digested, so to speak. Oh, I guess > that wasn't the question you were asking, the question was, why do > that in the first place? Hmmm. > > What about... > 1) It was still considered more efficient, because Mutoids didn't need > their serum as often as humans needed to eat. We don't actually > know how long they were on the planet, how long Travis's mutoid had > been without serum. Serum could perhaps be an effective option of storing food. I've just survived a week of intensive biology coaching Kelvin for an exam. Digested food travels around the body in blood serum so this predigested form might be less bulky to transport, more quickly absorbed by the body and comes with free antibodies to boot. (just like a glucose drip in some ways, but with a few added extras) > 2) It was used as a terror weapon. "Behave, or the mutoids will suck > your blood." Well, it's certainly believable. > 3) It was a means of further control over mutoids, so that enemies > couldn't steal them, reprogram them, and turn them against the > Federation. Yes, mutoids can survive on human blood, but maybe the > "serum" is required for them to work at top efficiency. Human blood (if taken from an artery not a vein) will carry the added bonus of red blood cells carrying oxyhaemoglobin. I believe athletes sometimes store ther red blood cells and re-inject them, to give themselves an oxygen boot before a race. > 4) Or, from the opposite extreme, they *were* designed to feed on human > blood (see (2)) - in particular, the blood of enemy soldiers, in > hostile territory, where the only supplies that were plentiful was > enemies. Well, it would aid the suppy problem, but then so would canibalism for normal soldiers. Plus, there are risks of disease etc. I wonder if mutoids get AIDS? > 5) They were designed by a sadist, (see (2)) and Federation > beaurocracy is so full of inertia, that they never changed the design. Nah. Don't go for that one. > 6) A deterrent. Since one of the sources of mutoids is > disobedient slaves, it was considered, that as part of the > deterrent (of the threat of being made a mutoid) it should be > obvious that once someone is made a mutoid, there is absolutely no > hope of being restored to humanity. While it's a possibility, I don't go for it wholeheartedly. I don't see it as a reason for creating mutoids originally. However, that does not stop it being used as a punishment as you have to have people to turn into mutoids. > > It could well be that (1) is the official reason, but the other > reasons were also factors. I'd go for a combination of 1 and 3 and a little bit of 4. I'd also assume that they could feed on a glucose drip for a few days if serum was unavailable. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 04:05:04 EDT From: AdamWho@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Mutoid query Message-ID: <5cfa79bc.248f7a30@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-06-08 06:40:18 EDT, mistral@ptinet.net writes: << What might be the point of modifying mutoids to utilize blood serum? On the face of it, it seems to me it would be a weakness, rather than an improvement. >> A cheap and easy food supply. The Federation seems to have no qualms killing people, and instead of providing meals, they can let the mutoids drink blood. Maybe there are food shortages in the future, and mutoids were introduced because they didn't have to eat regular food. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:53:54 +0100 From: Murray Smith To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Re: Wristwatches Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm doing some entries for the 'Sevencyclopedia', one of them being 'WRISTWATCHES', and wonder if any of you can help me. While Blake, Varon, and Ravella are obviously wearing watches on their wrists in 'The Way Back', I'm not sure if Maja is wearing one or just a bracelet. What do people think? Murray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:32:06 +1000 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Additions to zine lists Message-ID: <19990609203206.A1798@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 04:04:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.com wrote: > One mysterious item is the following; I recently found an old > review of it but have never actually seen the zine. > > PRIME ATTACK (by Mark Lang; AU? 1985? possibly part of BLAKE'S > QUEST?) Ah yes. Prime Attack. Would have been improved by the use of a dictionary on the author's part. Actually, now that I think about it, maybe not. After all, the startling misuse of three words in particular(*) made sure that I never forgot the zine, wheras if he *had* used a dictionary, then it would simply have been lost in mediocrity. This was a one-story standalone zine, a PGP. Yes, it is Australian. I think it was produced by Rosie Peck of South Australia, but I'm not sure. Rosie Peck was the editor of Xenon. And no, I don't know if there were further issues of Xenon after #6. (*) The phrases that burned into my memory were: - "in a strategically walkable manner" - "a dual triumvirate" - and the use of the word "decapitated" to refer to something *other* than a head. That, plus remaking the Blake's 7 universe over into something that had the tone of Star Wars, made this even worse than "Aftermath". What gets me is that some people actually loved it. Kathryn "scathing review" Andersen -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:32:01 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Blake & Government... Message-ID: <002e01beb26c$180315a0$0c01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > Gary wrote: > >I see Blake keeping power more in a winston Churchill-ian way. > >He would have taken charge only to make sure that things went > > the right way. Once he knew that they couldn't become as ruthless > >as the current regime, he would probably get out. > > I can see all of this, except the connection with Churchill, who is > generally thought to have clung on to the role of prime minister too long > when retiring earlier would have done his reputation a lot more good... And would have made Eden less mad by the time Suez came around. It's exactly like that advert for olive oil, 'One day, my son, all this will be yours...' > Then Una went on to ask: > >Why GP and not anywhere else? > > Presumably some reason connected with its Open Planet status and the lack > of Federation troops, though the blockade would seem to be a bit of a > nuisance. It would be very interesting to know what Blake was planning to > do about the return to Federation membership - leave, or continue to work > underground? Somehow exploit the change of status? Assassinate the > inspectors who came to check that law had been restored? Secretly run the > new government through his agents and thus gain access to some Federation > resource or other? Could it even have been his idea to make the > application, which unfortunately backfired? What I hadn't thought of is that, of course, since Blake is believed dead (assuming Servalan made her testimony of what she saw on Jevron generally available) GP would have the benefit of being off the beaten track and thus maintaining the fiction that he's dead. But it's hardly the beating heart of the Federation, is it...? I always saw Blake as pretty focused on what would happen on Earth. But perhaps he was just starting small - as Jenni so cogently argued in another post, needs must when the devil vomits. Una ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 04:55:12 PDT From: Rob Clother To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-ID: <19990609115513.3057.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Penny and Una agreeing on a point: >>What compromises would he have made in order to secure power? >>How far would power have corrupted him? >> >>Those two are basically the same question -- > >You're quite right. Are they the same question, though? My first reaction when I read this was that compromise and corruption are not the same thing. Then I read Penny's post again and realised she was referring to compromises *in order to secure power*. Even then, I wouldn't necessarily equate that to corruption. How about Augustus Caesar as a possible counterexample? -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Borg To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Mutoid query Message-ID: <19990609124536.21279.rocketmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 99-06-08 06:40:18 EDT, mistral@ptinet.net writes: << What might be the point of modifying mutoids to utilize blood serum? On the face of it, it seems to me it would be a weakness, rather than an improvement. >> Taking a leaf out of the DS9 book of thinking, it could be a control thing, like the Dominion/Jem Hadar(SP?) The serum can only be produced by the Federation, and cannot be duplicated, although the Fed have one up on the Founders, as Mutoids can survive on human blood for a while in emergencies whereas JemHadar(sp?) always need their drug (I think referred to as the white?) Peter. === -- Peter Borg peter_borg@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:00:20 +0100 From: "Deborah Day" To: "blakes7" Subject: [B7L] Zen Query Message-ID: <006f01beb2a1$f0dc49c0$f683bc3e@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEB2AA.52239280" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEB2AA.52239280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re Mistral's thoughts on Zen being organic - I had always assumed that = there was an organic component, perhaps similar to the setup in = Jabberwocky. This was especially evident in the early series, before = Orac came along, when Zen flatly refused to cooperate at vital times, = either in the crews interests, or its own in preserving the ship. Also, = in Terminal when Zen died, it referred to itself as I for the first and = last time. I haven't watched this episode for ages, but I think whoever = was on the flight desk remarked on that. Also, the auto repair thing = seemed to have organic overtones. I got the feeling that Zen rather = resented Orac being on board, especially as Orac could override Zen = easily! Certainly in the first series there was a definite feeling that = Zen was working to his own agenda, or even might have had some external = contral, as in the first episode of the second series. Perhaps there = was a background link to the System which Orac destroyed. Who knows. Debbie. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEB2AA.52239280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Re Mistral's thoughts on Zen being = organic - I=20 had always assumed that there was an organic component, perhaps similar = to the=20 setup in Jabberwocky.  This was especially evident in the early = series,=20 before Orac came along, when Zen flatly refused to cooperate at vital = times,=20 either in the crews interests, or its own in preserving the ship.  = Also, in=20 Terminal when Zen died, it referred to itself as I for the first and = last=20 time.  I haven't watched this episode for ages, but I think whoever = was on=20 the flight desk remarked on that.  Also, the auto repair thing = seemed to=20 have organic overtones.  I got the feeling that Zen rather resented = Orac=20 being on board, especially as Orac could override Zen easily!  = Certainly in=20 the first series there was a definite feeling that Zen was working to = his own=20 agenda, or even might have had some external contral, as in the first = episode of=20 the second series.  Perhaps there was a background link to the = System which=20 Orac destroyed.  Who knows.
 
Debbie.
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BEB2AA.52239280-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:22:37 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Star Cops Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 08 Jun, Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > Judith wrote: > >Kenzie has a lot in common with Avon in spite of being female > > Yes, when I first saw her I thought "Jenna, allowed to stay that way". > Then, a few episodes later, I thought "no, hang on, she's Avon turned into > a rather talkative blonde!" Cast a new light on her relations with > Spring... I found that a really fascinating relationship, developing from total dislike/mistrust to mutual professional respect to the beginnings of something more. > >The good news is that Chris says I can publish his second Star Cops novel > > HURRAH!!!!!!!!!!! I got the disc from him this morning. The episodes are Conversations 'With the Dead', 'Intelligent Listening for Beginners', 'Travial Games and Paranoid Pursuits', and 'Little Green Men and Other Martians'. It's probably be a couple of months before I can get everything done, but that's what you have to look forwards to. If anyone has any good Star Cops photos that I can use for reference material for artists, please get in touch. > > And then can we talk him into writing the Lost Four Episodes? Que? Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:46:52 -0600 From: Penny Dreadful To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990609134652.00834e80@mail.geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:42 PM 6/8/99 -0600, Arkaroo wrote: >1) Tarrant -> Trotsky [disciplinarian when in charge of the army, and >later becomes advocate of internal criticism, eventually turfed by the >party and forced to go solo] And comes to a sticky end. >2) Travis -> Stalin [relatively uneducated, willingness to kill >wholesale for the cause] A snappier dresser, though. >3) Servalan -> Lenin [clever, pragmatic, leadership qualities up the >wazoo, snappy dresser, motivational speaker] Can't dispute any of that. >4) Blake -> Benito Mussolini! So, does that make Avon Hitler? >"Death to The Seven Traitors!" cried Travis. "Let the Glorious Cherry >Blossoms of the Eternal Federation eliminate those Despised Enemies of >the People!" I'm getting right inspired, Comrade! Okay, People's Poet, I wanna see ten thousand words by next week: the entire 20th century rewritten as a single Blakes 7 episode. --Penny "The People" Dreadful ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 99 23:35:00 GMT From: s.thompson8@genie.com To: space-city@world.std.com Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Zine rescue; new zine Message-Id: <199906092345.XAA27016@rock103.genie.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Two announcements based on flyers I picked up at MediaWest: A) Many of the fanzines that were in the custody of Peg Kennedy (former zine agent who went bankrupt) have now been recovered, and will be returned to their owners for the cost of shipping alone. These include zines from B7 and many other fandoms. For details, see the web page of Operation Zine Rescue at: http://www.fanzines.com (which also has interesting information on fanzines in general, and ads and reviews for new and used zines), or e- mail: rescue@fanzines.com . B) New gen zine (suitable for all ages) seeking submissions: Half-Blaked, editor Angela Reese. Stories, poems, filks, and art are wanted. Website: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/1963/ e-mail: areese@earthling.net Hope some list members will send Angela material. Also, remember K. Rae Travers is interested in gen material for the next issue of her long-running zine =The Seven Live On=. And although Annie hasn't made any announcements yet, I know that there is more of Hellhound in the works, and I'm hoping that maybe by this time next year there will be enough gen submissions for a new issue of =Southern Seven=. Neil, hope you are getting plenty of material for your new zine. Sarah T. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #186 **************************************