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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 163
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
Re: [B7L] The Keeper and controlling Star One
[B7L]Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
[B7L] (no subject)
[B7L] B7 (sort of) Costumes for Sale
[B7L] Neutral Zone
Re: [B7L] Q-study/Four-fold way
[B7L] Off-opic : Computer security warning
[B7L] Re: Re:message from Christine
Re: [B7L] Off-opic : Computer security warning
[B7L] OOPS!
Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
Re: [B7L] Re: Re:message from Christine
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:30:44 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: AdamWho@aol.com, Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
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From May, 12:
><< After all B7 contains some of the most dire fight scenes in TV
> history! Is there a good scene? >>
>
>Those Jenna\Guardian fight scenes in Time Squad aren't bad. Not completely
>believable, but not completely ludricous ...
About these scenes, particulary, my sister uses to say, that 'Jenna kills
him with one single kick in his knee...'
Most convincible to *me* was the battle scenes from 'Redemption', whenever
Blake fighted 'System'-guards. And those from 'Aftermath', whenever Avon
fighted the Sarrans. Even Dayna mentioned his skills.
Hellen
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 04:47:09 PDT
From: "Hellen Paskaleva" <hellen_pas@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Keeper and controlling Star One
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>Tor writed:
>
>>Judith writed:
>>I think that's why I see it as a test, because Avon knows that power
>>corrupts
>>and doesn't know if Blake realises it or not. Blake passes the test by
>>rejecting the power.
>
>Avon passes the test when Servalen makes the same offer in Aftermath.
Not, actually. He said 'I'll be dead in a week!' as an answer to Servalan's
offer. It seems the decision he took, was for saving his own skin, not for
rejecting her attempt for 'temptation'.
I do not mean, that otherwise, feeling himself secure, Avon would have
accepted Servalan's offer, but 'Aftermath' wasn't exact tame and place to
prove it.
Hellen
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:50:31 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
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Hellen said:
>>Those Jenna\Guardian fight scenes in Time Squad aren't bad. Not
completely
>>believable, but not completely ludricous ...
>About these scenes, particulary, my sister uses to say, that 'Jenna
kills
>him with one single kick in his knee...'
Many years ago (when I was younger and fitter) I did an evening class in
self-defence. I remember the instructor telling us that a well-aimed
kick to
the knee can cause a great deal of damage, apparently it takes only 14
pounds of pressure to shatter the knee cap. It is also much easier for
a short woman to kick an attacker on the knee than to aim for other
vulnerable
areas which you might have considered.
So, perhaps she didn't kill him but seriously disable quite possibly.
Julie Horner
Software Engineer
Lincoln Software
Tel: +44 (0) 1625 616722
Fax: +44(0) 1625 616780
E-mail: julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com
Web: http://www.lincolnsoftware.com
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:46:53 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Great news, everyone! Southern Comfort 10.5 and Southern Comfort 11.5, Blakes
7 adult zines, are now available from Linda Knights. Linda has the masters
and I anticipate she will be offering the zines via mail within a few weeks.
Contributors, please note that your copies will not be available from Linda
but will be coming directly from me. If you'll be at MediaWest, you may pick
them up there or have your designated agent pick them up there. If you will
not be at MediaWest and you have not responded to my note to you asking for
your mailing address, please respond as soon as possible. I can't mail you
your copy without it! The mail copies will be sent out the week *after*
MediaWest.
Southern Comfort 10.5 features stories by Riley Cannon, Willa Shakespeare,
Paula, Vanessa Mullen, Andrea, Jenner, Lexa Reiss, Susan Cutter, Catocala,
T.Z. Trouper, Ada L., Pat Jacquerie, and Erika Bloom. Artwork by Leah
Rosenthal and Val Westall. Stories run the gamut from T/A, J/B/A, Ca/A, A/V,
B/A and lots more.
Southern Comfort 11.5 features stories by Willa Shakespeare, Catocala, Alicia
Ann Fox, Predatrix, Misha, Tessa Nolan, Cami O'Toole, Julia Stamford and
Nova. Artwork by Leah Rosenthal, Sarah S. and Val Westall. Stories include
Tarrant, Avon, Vila, Blake, Cally, Gan and much more.
I should have a website up with pictures of the covers and a more detailed
synopsis of the contents sometime this week. I'll make an announcement of the
URL when it's available.
Annie
http://members.aol.com/ashton7/ashton.htm
http://members.aol.com/ashton7/ashton.htm (Ashton Press)
http://members.aol.com/methosela/cass.htm (Donan Woods)
http://members.aol.com/pelkiepet/stories.htm (Fan Fiction)
Latest Updates & News From Ashton Press:
1) Two new fanzines have just gone into print: Southern Comfort 10.5 and
Southern Comfort 11.5. Both of these are Blakes 7 adult zines.
2) Revelations #2 (a HL adult zine) is now in the works and should be
available in the next month or so.
3) A new set of photo orders is going to be placed in the next few days. If
you are interested, please contact ASAP.
4) Submissions for So Speaks the Hero #2 (HL gen zine) will be closing soon.
Contact me if you're interested!
5) Touched by Magic is being actively worked on again and will hopefully be
finished soon!
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:38:18 -0500
From: Reuben Herfindahl <rherf@tursso.com>
To: "'space-city@world.std.com'" <space-city@world.std.com>
Cc: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7 (sort of) Costumes for Sale
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http://users.snip.net/~truebrit/forsale.htm
I noticed this site was selling both Paul Darrow's costume used in the Dr.
Who episode Timelash and Jacquline Pearce's costume used in The Two Doctors.
Note: I know nothing about the guy selling these, I just figured I'd pass on
the info.
Reuben
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:43:16 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Neutral Zone
Message-ID: <uy9cUoA0d0O3EwzV@jajones.demon.co.uk>
The Neutral Zone con in Newcastle is having a summer party on the
weekend of August 28/29/30 and a full con on the weekend of March 24-26
2000. Gareth Thomas usually invites himself, so the con's become popular
with the Brits on the mailing list. I've just phoned the conchair, Diana
Lawson, and she's checked with Gareth, and he said, quote "Wouldn't miss
it for the world" unquote. So yes, Gareth will be present at both
events, subject to the usual about getting paid work.
At the moment Judith, Val, Linda and I are planning on going to both
events. Anyone else coming along? For those into S:AAB, James Morrison
will be a guest at the March event.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:21:29 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Q-study/Four-fold way
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Una wrote:
+AD4APg- As I see it, Power Gamers and Wargamers are more focused on their own
+AD4-characters,
+AD4APg- whereas Narrativists and Role-Players are more outward-looking -
+AD4-characters (whether
+AD4APg- it's what they do or who they are) can only make sense when viewed as
part
+AD4APg- of a coherent fantasy world.
+AD4-
+AD4-Do you think that is the case? The Role-Player you describe seems to be
+AD4AKg-extremely+ACo- concerned with character. Or are you characterizing this as the
+AD4AKg-psychological+ACo- plausibility of the world which the characters inhabit?
Role-Players certainly are concerned with character, but locate character
within the game milieu. A roleplayer running an elf, for example, will be
thinking more of elven psychology rather than magic resistance and archery
bonuses. This line of thinking will spill out into elven history, society,
economics, art etc - the player has to know about the game world in order to
understand his/er character. A Powergamer needn't be interested in any of
that stuff.
+AD4-I actually think that all of the first four accounts in the Q study are
+AD4-located in the same spectrum as the final two role-playing 'types' which
you
+AD4-describe, and I would suggest a different classification to yours: one
which
+AD4-differentiates between 'the game' and 'the scenario'. Types 1 and 2 are
+AD4-concerned with playing and winning the game. Types 3 and 4 are concerned
+AD4-with the validity of the scenario in which the game operates. This
+AD4-'scenario' encompasses aspects of character and plot (the two essentials+ACE-).
A fair point, but what struck me in making the comparison was the way
rolegamers and fans can both be grouped into two similar pairs. I wasn't
suggesting a direct analogy. Thinking about it, I would say the
Powergamer/Wargamer types are more concerned with the -rules- of the game,
the Narrativist/Roleplayer with the -setting-.
With the Q-study accounts, there is no direct B7 analogy with the rules of
the game, so yes, they do fall into the same spectrum as the second pair of
rolegaming types. But I think Accounts 1 and 2 still constitute a distinct
pair in themselves, closely related to each other and markedly different
from Accounts 3 and 4.
+AD4-The 'scenario' is where the first four accounts from the Q-study operate:
+AD4-they are concerned, respectively, with character, with character
+AD4-interaction, with the narrative (plot), and with the broader validity of
the
+AD4-overall narrative (good plot+ACE-).
You could say that Acc3 is scenario-oriented and Acc4 is campaign-oriented,
if you wanted to shift it into rolegame-speak.
+AD4-What, in fandom, could be located where 'the game' is in role-playing?
+AD4-Perhaps this is where account 5 is located. If 'the scenario' (or accounts
+AD4-1-4) is concerned predominantly with aspects +ACo-internal+ACo- to the show, then
+AD4-'the game' is concerned with +ACo-external+ACo- criteria: for role-players, winning
+AD4-the game+ADs- for B7 fans, viewing the series as entertainment (in a variety of
+AD4-forms).
Can't say I altogether go along with that, since Acc5 is right out on a limb
of its own. In rolegaming terms, Acc5 is not so much 'the game' as the
playing of it - the out-of-character banter between players, the dreadful
puns, consulting the rulebooks, hogging all the cheese and onion crisps etc.
+AD4-I am uneasy with applying classifications
+AD4-to social phenomena. Q doesn't attempt to measure or classify 'types', it
+AD4-tries to enable different 'stories' to emerge, i.e. it investigates what
+AD4-means of expression are used by people (and are available to people) in
+AD4-reference to a particular subject. So, the accounts which I describe are
+AD4-ways in which people can +ACo-describe+ACo- their preferences rather than 'groups'
+AD4-into which people slot (or half-slot). You'll notice that I avoid
+AD4-descriptors of the type which you use and which MB uses: this involves a
+AD4-shift in focus away from classifying people to attempting to describe the
+AD4-discursive opportunities which people have available to them.
Agreed. Both the four-fold way of rolegaming and the Q accounts should be
used to describe preferences and inclinations, not to pigeonhole people.
For example, you listed Judith Proctor as an exemplifying sort for Acc2, but
I also know that she's very concerned with background and its coherence
within the context of the series - very Acc4, if you ask me. And while I
would definitely call myself an Acc3/4, that doesn't mean I'm oblivious to
the appeal of the first two accounts, merely that I accord them less
significance.
I don't think any of the four main accounts are in any way mutually
exclusive, so favouring one doesn't preclude you from appreciating the
series from the perspective of any of the other three. But the different
accounts do indicate levels of preference and might be useful in that
regard. That doesn't mean they should be regarded as binding.
+AD4-Thanks, Neil, for an extremely interesting and thought-provoking post.
Thanking you for an equally thought-provoking response.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 00:19:42 +0100
From: "Jonathan" <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Off-opic : Computer security warning
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Look, this isn't nearly on topic (except I suppose a lot of B7 is concerned
with computer security.) But I picked this up the other day in comp.risks
and it seemed worth warning everyone about, on the grounds that (i)
generally I like you (ii) you probably use the Internet a lot, (iii) keeping
our computers usable is essential if the list is going to survive. And as
Avon might have said, survival can never be off-topic. I didn't put on the
spin list because I thought it was worth everyone seeing. My apologies to
those don't think it should be here.
I'm a programmer but security's not my field, so if the list is interested
and does think self-protection deserves a one-off mention for the benefit of
its members, perhaps someone with more specialized knowledge should speak
up. (Calle ?)
Just in case anyone feels concerned enough to want to know more : yes,
ActiveX has security flaws too; yes, these things do run on your machine
when you visit a website; a virus checker won't stop them; they could steal
your credit card number; and you can reset your browser options to give more
security; just because some could do these things doesn't mean they have, or
they will, you've just got to invest a little effort in self-protection.
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary McGraw <gem@rstcorp.com>
Subject: Security Hole in Java 2
Karsten Sohr <sohr@mathematik.uni-marburg.de> at the University of Marburg
in Germany has discovered a very serious security flaw in several current
versions of the Java Virtual Machine, including Sun's JDK 1.1 and Java 2
(a.k.a. JDK 1.2), and Netscape's Navigator 4.x. (Microsoft's latest JVM is
not vulnerable to this attack.) The flaw allows an attacker to create a
booby-trapped Web page, so that when a victim views the page, the attacker
seizes control of the victim's machine and can do whatever he wants,
including reading and deleting files, and snooping on any data and
activities on the victim's machine.
The flaw is in the "byte code verifier" component of the JVM. Under some
circumstances the verifier fails to check all of the code that is loaded
into the JVM. Exploiting the flaw allows the attacker to run code that has
not been verified. This code can set up a type confusion attack (see our
book "Securing Java" for details http://www.securingjava.com) which leads to
a full-blown security breach.
We have verified that the flaw exists and is serious. Attack code (in both
applet and application form) has been developed in the lab to exploit the
flaw. Sun and Netscape have been notified about the flaw and they are
working on a fix.
What?! RISKS in mobile code? We're happy to alert you to yet another lesson
regarding the classic tradeoff between security and functionality.
Dr. Gary McGraw Prof. Edward W. Felten
Reliable Software Technologies Secure Internet Programming Lab
gem@rstcorp.com Dept. of Computer Science
Princeton University
http://www.securingjava.com felten@cs.princeton.edu
[Reportedly fixed in 1.2.1. PGN]
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:22:05 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Re:message from Christine
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Hi Dave
Can't remember if I've met you or not - think it was probably Alan instead.
Anyway, thanks for passing on your mum's news. Glad to hear she got to see
the thing, alas I did not. I'll be keeping an eye on Birdnet and will let
her know if anything good turns up in Kent.
Thanks for passing the message on
Neil
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Date: 14 May 1999 05:27:56 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Off-opic : Computer security warning
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"Jonathan" <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
> But I picked this up the other day in comp.risks and it seemed worth
> warning everyone about
It's not. If something is bad enough that "everyone" needs to be
warned, you'll see it on CNN, not here.
*Don't* post that sort of thing here.
> ActiveX has security flaws too
Just in case this makes someone believe ActiveX is better
security-wise than Java, I'd like to point out that the reason that
there are very few security holes revealed for ActiveX is that there
is no security to have holes in. Further discussions to the spin list.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"I like darkness, because it shows us light" -- Victoria McManus
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:29:30 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] OOPS!
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Sorry guys - I sent a private message to the list by mistake. The 'thing'
in question being a Slender-billed Gull at Sandwich which I'm sure you all
wanted to know about.
Smack wristie. Makes a change from sending list postings to individuals, I
spose.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 04:13:03 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
To: hellen_pas@hotmail.com, Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
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In a message dated 99-05-13 07:30:46 EDT, hellen_pas@hotmail.com writes:
<< About these scenes, particulary, my sister uses to say, that 'Jenna kills
him with one single kick in his knee...' >>
Completely incorrect. Tell your sister 'Jenna kills him with a blast from her
curling iron.' <g>
The scenes were a little cheesy, but I was so happy to see Jenna kicking butt
as much as Blake and Avon could, the scenes are some of my favorites.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:20:04 EDT
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Re:message from Christine
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In a message dated 5/13/99 9:45:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
<< Thanks for passing the message on >>
Well, I don't know. She might have met Alan, but I'm sure she would have
rather met you! How fun to see a little of your personal life. Makes you
seem like more of a real person. Thanks for "passing the message on!"
Gail
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