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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 162
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
Re: [B7L] Q-study/Four-fold way
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
[B7L] Re: B7 pub meetings
[B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
RE: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
[B7L] B7 zines for sale
[B7L] Re: Pick your own cover photos
Re: [B7L] Curious things in Star One (potential spoilers)
Re: [B7L] Re: Curious things in Star One
[B7L] Fwd:TSE
[B7L] Fwd: bullying
[B7L] Fwd: telemovie
[B7L] Anna's husband
Re: [B7l]: Food aboard the Liberator
Re: [B7L] Psychopaths!
Re: [B7L] The Keeper and controlling Star One
[B7L] Fwd:
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
[B7L] Soldiers of Love
[B7L] some more zines for sale
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
Re: [B7L] Re: Pick your own cover photos
Re: [B7L] Psychopaths!
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:33:15 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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In message <000c01be9bbf$534a7540$f6498cd4@default>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>Forget Darrow.
>
>JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
>
Forget both of them. Gareth Thomas is the man for the job.
The only problem with that, of course, is that Gareth's Gorillas would
suddenly find they had to share him with others at cons.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:21 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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Neil said:
+AD4- Forget Darrow.
+AD4-
+AD4- JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
+ADw-confused+AD4- But the Doctor's had all 13 regenerations now...+ACE-
Una
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:50:59 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Q-study/Four-fold way
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Neil said:
+AD4- Una wrote:
+AD4- +AD4-Hehehe... Actually, I figured you'd appear in account 4. Honest. It's on
the
+AD4- +AD4-Space City list.
+AD4-
+AD4- Very kind of you to put it up on a list I don't subscribe to. Not.
Hey - less of the strop +ADw-wallop+AD4-
Sorry about that, Neil - I thought it was cc-ed, didn't find out it wasn't
until the Lyst digest arrived - and then my e-mail package had munched the
original message. That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it. (If anyone is
able to forward it to the Lyst or to Neil, I'd be very grateful.)
+AD4- Leaving aside the Kiwi Separatism for the moment, the four main accounts
+AD4- remind me of the 'four-fold way' of role-playing games. Briefly put,this
+AD4- theorises that gamers follow four different approaches to gaming -
+AD4-
+AD4- 1) The Power Gamer - seeking to maximise wealth and lethality for his (or
+AD4- sometimes her) character.
+AD4- 2) The Wargamer - prefers the combat, but primarily as a tactical
exercise.
+AD4- 3) The Narrative Gamer - the story's the thing.
+AD4- 4) The Role-Player - into deep characterisation and vicarious living above
+AD4- all else.
+AD4-
+AD4- As I see it, Power Gamers and Wargamers are more focused on their own
characters,
+AD4- whereas Narrativists and Role-Players are more outward-looking -
characters (whether
+AD4- it's what they do or who they are) can only make sense when viewed as part
+AD4- of a coherent fantasy world.
Do you think that is the case? The Role-Player you describe seems to be
+ACo-extremely+ACo- concerned with character. Or are you characterizing this as the
+ACo-psychological+ACo- plausibility of the world which the characters inhabit?
I actually think that all of the first four accounts in the Q study are
located in the same spectrum as the final two role-playing 'types' which you
describe, and I would suggest a different classification to yours: one which
differentiates between 'the game' and 'the scenario'. Types 1 and 2 are
concerned with playing and winning the game. Types 3 and 4 are concerned
with the validity of the scenario in which the game operates. This
'scenario' encompasses aspects of character and plot (the two essentials+ACE-).
The 'scenario' is where the first four accounts from the Q-study operate:
they are concerned, respectively, with character, with character
interaction, with the narrative (plot), and with the broader validity of the
overall narrative (good plot+ACE-).
What, in fandom, could be located where 'the game' is in role-playing?
Perhaps this is where account 5 is located. If 'the scenario' (or accounts
1-4) is concerned predominantly with aspects +ACo-internal+ACo- to the show, then
'the game' is concerned with +ACo-external+ACo- criteria: for role-players, winning
the game+ADs- for B7 fans, viewing the series as entertainment (in a variety of
forms).
(Christ, I've set up another bloody dichotomy - +ACo-not+ACo- my intention+ACE-)
+AD4- Some people, of course, can juggle all four paths and pick and choose
+AD4- to suit as the occasion demands. (These would be the ones who come out as
+AD4- non-exemplifying sorts, yes?)
That's a fair analogy.
+AD4- As far as B7 goes, this kind of classification sounds a lot more useful
than all that Myers-+AD4-Briggs tosh :)
Sweet music to my ears... However, I am uneasy with applying classifications
to social phenomena. Q doesn't attempt to measure or classify 'types', it
tries to enable different 'stories' to emerge, i.e. it investigates what
means of expression are used by people (and are available to people) in
reference to a particular subject. So, the accounts which I describe are
ways in which people can +ACo-describe+ACo- their preferences rather than 'groups'
into which people slot (or half-slot). You'll notice that I avoid
descriptors of the type which you use and which MB uses: this involves a
shift in focus away from classifying people to attempting to describe the
discursive opportunities which people have available to them.
What's nice about this is that it allows Q a level of fluidity which typical
social classifications are incapable of matching. So, the sharing of
accounts is expected, since people have all number of discourses available
to them and make use of them. Also, this study may well not have captured
all the available accounts to emerge. If I had had more participants, I
would have expected more accounts. (In fact, there was another account, but
I couldn't interpret it, so I didn't write it up - don't worry, no-one
missed out.)
Thanks, Neil, for an extremely interesting and thought-provoking post.
Una
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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Julia wrote:
> <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
> >Forget Darrow.
> >JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
Are you sure she wasn't disguised as Paul McGann for
the telemovie?
> Forget both of them. Gareth Thomas is the man for
> the job.
Now there's a good suggestion.
> The only problem with that, of course, is that
> Gareth's Gorillas would suddenly find they had to >
share him with others at cons.
And how well would Judith take that?
Regards
Joanne
(contemplating the mortality of favourite relatives,
unfortunately)
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:58:04 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 pub meetings
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Kevin Mahoney asked: "Are there any B7 pub meetings in London?
(Preferably not en route to Cygnus Alpha, as I'm not prepared to travel
that far!)"
We have the three or four meetings a year at Pages Bar in Westminster,
which has sci-fi nights on Saturdays. We haven't got one planned at the
moment, but there is no reason we can't have one soon if there are
people willing. How does 12 June sound to people? If more than a couple
of people say yes, then let's go for it. Reply direct to me and I'll
compile the list. I'm copying this to Space City as well.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
"What is it with you and holes?"
Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:41:41 +1000
From: Sarah Berry <berrys@connexus.net.au>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
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Neil wrote:
>...gamers follow four different approaches to gaming -
>1) The Power Gamer - seeking to maximise wealth and lethality for
>his (or sometimes her) character.
>2) The Wargamer - prefers the combat, but primarily as a tactical
>exercise.
>3) The Narrative Gamer - the story's the thing.
>4) The Role-Player - into deep characterisation and vicarious living
>above all else.
>(1)s and (2)s tend to get along well with each other, as do (3)s
>and (4)s, but other combinations can generate inter-player tensions.
Thanks for this Neil, very interesting (esp as I hadn't followed the begining of
the survey thread and had no idea what people were talking about). I was very
much a 4/3 player and this explains why the first group I was part of was a
complete joy and everything else since was so disappointing and I couldn't stick
with it.
Hmm, can also extend this to work situations...all the 3/4s sticking together in
a commiserating bunch and all the 1/2s busily stabbing out left right and centre
getting all the attention.
And it's certainly how I enjoy B7, won't anyone who is 1 and/or 2 find B7 very
disappointing? After all B7 contains some of the most dire fight scenes in TV
history! Is there a good scene? On the other hand the idea of Avon doing
Buffy/Matrix/Jackie Chan type fighting brings tears to the eyes.
Sarah Berry.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:34:00 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 07:33:15PM +0100, Julia Jones wrote:
> In message <000c01be9bbf$534a7540$f6498cd4@default>, Neil Faulkner
> <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
> >Forget Darrow.
> >
> >JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
> >
> Forget both of them. Gareth Thomas is the man for the job.
Actually, this one makes sense. He'd make a good Doctor.
> The only problem with that, of course, is that Gareth's Gorillas would
> suddenly find they had to share him with others at cons.
Such is the price of fame... (-8
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:51:35 +1000
From: "David Henderson" <David.Henderson@jcu.edu.au>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
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From: Sarah Berry <berrys@connexus.net.au>
>disappointing? After all B7 contains some of the most dire fight scenes in
TV
>history! Is there a good scene? On the other hand the idea of Avon doing
>Buffy/Matrix/Jackie Chan type fighting brings tears to the eyes.
It would probably bring tears to Paul Darrow's eyes as well (not to mention
calls for oxygen)
Later
DavidH
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:40:53 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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> Neil said:
>
> > Forget Darrow.
> >
> > JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
>
And Una replied:
> <confused> But the Doctor's had all 13 regenerations now...!
>
If you can manage not to get confused by the inconsistencies in B7, this one
should be easy. For instance: the Doctor did something weird (ok, weirder
than usual) during one of his timehops, and now six of his regenerations
never happened.
By the way, I'd love to see Jan Chappel as the Doctor.
Jacqueline
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:01:16 -0700
From: "Paul E. Curtis" <pecurtis@teleport.com>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>"
> > Neil said:
> >
> > > Forget Darrow.
> > >
> > > JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
> >
> And Una replied:
>
> > <confused> But the Doctor's had all 13 regenerations now...!
> >
> If you can manage not to get confused by the inconsistencies in B7, this
one
> should be easy. For instance: the Doctor did something weird (ok, weirder
> than usual) during one of his timehops, and now six of his regenerations
> never happened.
Or, on the other hand...how 'bout keeping Joanna Lumley as the 13th Doctor,
with David McCallum and David Collings as companions? It'd be worth it,
just to see Steel and Silver competing for Sapph^H^H^H^H^H the Doctor's
affections. ;-)
(Let's just hope that Arlen doesn't turn up and shoot Silver, like she did
in "Blake"...the wench!)
--Paul Curtis
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 04:18:39 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Lysator List)
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Q-study/Four-fold way
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In a message dated 99-05-11 20:15:49 EDT, you write:
<< After all B7 contains some of the most dire fight scenes in TV
history! Is there a good scene? >>
Those Jenna\Guardian fight scenes in Time Squad aren't bad. Not completely
believable, but not completely ludricous (some of the early scenes in
Countdown fall in that category).
For humor, I'd suggest Breakdown. I thought those scenes were hilarious,
particularly Gan throwing down a woman (or mannequin) who obviously wasn't
sally Knyvette, and Cally running to tend to Jenna first, instead of a
dangerous and out of control Gan.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:02:13 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] B7 zines for sale
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A friend of mine asked me to pass along this list of B7 and DW
zines/merchandise that she's selling at bargain prices. The prices do not
include postage. Contact Linda at DRAGON6435@aol.com if you see anything
you'd like to purchase.
Assorted playbills of Paul's plays ($1 each)
Avon Club Newsletters ($2 each)
Making of Dr. Who ($2)
Dr. Who Program Guide Vol 1 & 2 ($2)
Guards, Guards ($2)
Avon a Terrible Aspect (hardback) ($6)
Blakes 7 Scorpio Attack (hardback) ($5)
Dark Fantasies 5 ($7) (slash)
Horizon 4, 5, 8 ($3 each)
Slave 1 ($3)
Liberator 9, 3 ($3 each)
Fire & Ice 3, 4 ($7 each) (slash)
Starburst #30, 32, 28, 38, Vol 1 #6 ($2 each)
Starlog 116 ($2)
Underworld (7th Sector 2) ($3)
Shadow #3, 4 ($2 each)
Blakes 7 1st Adventure - paperback ($2)
Blakes 7 Project Avalon - paperback ($2)
Liberator Fantasies ($10) (slash)
B7 Complex 12, 13, 14, 16 ($5 each)
Rebel Destinies #2 ($7)
Something Unfriendly #2 ($5)
Revenge of the Rabble ($3)
Tents of Goth ($3)
Forgotten Seven ($5)
Eleventh Sector #1, 2 ($4 each)
Fifth Season 2,3,5 ($5 each)
Southern Seven 1,2,4,11 ($5 each)
Southern Light Special 2.5,3.5 ($4 each) (adult)
Southern Lights Special 3.75 ($4) (adult)
Southern Comfort 4.75 ($6) (adult)
Southern Comfort 5.5 ($6) (adult)
Fire and Ice #2 ($5) (slash)
Avon Calling 1,2,3 ($5 each) (slash)
All Our Tomorrows ($1)
Rebel Destinies 1 ($4)
Liberator #6(photocopy) ($2)
Multiverse 20 ($2)
Edge Zine ($2)
Interface 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 10 ($4 each)
Raising Hell 1, 2, 3, 4 ($4 each)
Slave 6,8 ($3 each)
Liberator #8 ($3)
Standard by Seven 3,10,11 ($3 each)
Standard by Seven 3,6, 11 - copy & bound ($2 each)
Horizon 1,2,3 (bound and trimmed) ($2 each)
Alternative Seven #2 ($1) (het adult)
Alternative Seven 1,3,4,5,6,7 (bound and trimmed) ($1 each) (het adult)
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:00:10 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Pick your own cover photos
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Una gave her preference for the Rumours of Death cover photo:
> the shot of Avon and Anna with the light bulb between them.
I think we rejected Avon/Anna shots as likely to give away the plot twist
(though you may argue that's obvious from the moment Sula trots past).
Shrinker seemed safer as he's prominent early on.
cf Blake, where it's tempting to have Avon shooting him, or a shot of all
the bodies to echo the massacre of The Way Back - but it seemed safer to
have a close-up of Blake on his own instead.
A friend of mine who was an English teacher was once delighted to find her
class had no idea of the plot of Othello. This was going to be an
exciting, suspenseful experience, she thought - until she came to hand out
the books and noticed there was a large picture of (to avoid spoilers) the
climactic scene in which X kills Y on the cover.
>I was very hacked off today as WH Smiths had already
>sold out of the CoA/RoD tape
I rang Virgin in Manchester on the day they were released and was told they
had only ordered one copy of each tape as "they aren't very popular". I
asked if they could hold them for me as I didn't want to go into town for
no purpose. They said sure, then announced they couldn't find them now and
thought "we must have sold them already". Fortunately I found another shop
that had been more optimistic.
Harriet
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:55:17 BST
From: "Tor Avon" <tor_avon@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Curious things in Star One (potential spoilers)
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Nina wrote:
>A lot more people might be capable of it if they didn't have it squashed
>out
>of them early on by the conformist pressure of society. One of the things
>that offended me most as an adolescent was adults who would tell you to
>think
>for yourself, but then get outraged if you didn't act like the rest of the
>sheep.
I'm really glad that someone can see the truth in this. I was always an
outcast at school, always questioned authority, but before long the teachers
mutually agreed on a plan to 'take me down a peg'.
I was very often unfairly compared with other children, and at a time when
Madonna was seen as a hero, most of these were nasty little bitches which
deserved a good clip round the ear. I was bullied both verbally and
physically.
However, I was put out of school, and into a unit, where most of the
children were young offenders. I was taught to tolerate them.
No one in real life would be expected to tolerate people like them.
I has taken me a very long time to get back my confidence, and get back into
education, let alone higher education.
But, of all the people at school with me those years, I'm of the elite, most
of the children either became 'gymslip mothers', drug addicts, and there are
even a few suicides that I know of.
Needless to say, if I ever catch up with the teaching staff who expected me
to conform, I'm going to laugh in their faces, quite nastily and tell them
that I'm bloody glad that I didn't.
For my sake, and for the sake of the country.
>It took a lot longer, though, to recognize the peer pressure kids put
>on each other to get the same results. I expect that Avon was probably
>pretty much an outcast in his schooldays.
Peer pressure is one thing, and is a problem that will never be cured
amongst children influenced by the bogymen of the past generation.
But British schools (or any other schools as far as I know) do not encourage
individulisation, in any way, shape or form.
Free thought is as ripe for condemnation as free speech. We are breeding a
nation of sheep. Idealists discourage racism, sexism, intolerance, but real
life evades them. The school system is a part and parcel of the mediaspere,
which can only spread propagander, scare mongering and the re-inforcement of
the stereotypes seen every day, and which build upon our social expectations
and restrict us in fear.
Sorry, I'm starting to rant,
Tor.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:00:25 BST
From: "Tor Avon" <tor_avon@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Harriet wrote:
>Exactly - cf the passage of Conan Doyle where Watson lists the
>extraordinarily detailed knowledge Sherlock Holmes has of specific subjects
>he considers relevant, and the even more extraordinary gaps of knowlege in
>subjects he thinks irrelevant.
Or course, both Avon and Holmes are INTP's.
Tor
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Somebody wrote:
>>TVM, even if wasn't quite Dr Who, and could have used a more
coherent plot.
>>What's being described here would just be an incestuous fanwank mess
>>foisted upon us by talentless egos who think they know better than
>>everybody else, and who tell us we should be grateful for any old
>crap.
Exactly like TSE. I can't think of anything good to say about it at
all, I only wish they'd put it on for Comic Relief, as it was probably
less canonical than Doctor Who and the Case of the Fatal Death!
>The bit that worries me is that it is an independent production
outside of
>the BBC, so when people forward there concerns to the beeb, it'll be
pretty
>much worthless. (Although if they were producing this and got our
concerns
>they'd probably ignore it anyway.)
Hello?!!? Independant producers hey? With Paul Darrow as ass.
Producer, that only leaves Lighthill as the exec. I reckon they made
that stuff up spur of the moment, and I don't even believe the late
Terry Nation sequel even exists, anymore than that apocryphal Dalek
movie that Ian Levene confessed to writing.
>>Speaking as a professional who's done Dr Who, DS9 and Voyager, I say
they
>>should at least have the professional decency to look back at the
whole of
>>series, and at least try to work out what people liked about it. As
opposed
>>to just doing a one-dimensional caricature of the last couple of
episodes,
>>which seems to be all they can remember....
At least the last couple of episodes weren't a total pantomime.
>Speaking as someone who's enjoyed your work, I'd love to see them
recruit
>someone with your level of talent, appreciation and understanding of
the
>series into the script.
Why don't they just make the version suggested in SFX, with Jeri Ryan
as Travis? Not.
>Or at least get Chris Boucher in on this. I'd love to be optimistic,
but my
>mind keeps flashing back to Avon:A Terrible Aspect and cringing.
I'd love to know what Chris thinks of the radio plays. Had he been the
editor, I'm sure he would have rejected then both.
Tor
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>Judith Proctor wrote:
>
>> Then why dismiss the intent to protect people from verbal abuse as
PC rubbish?
>> (We'd better take this to private mail if we want to discuss it any
further)
I have lived a rotten life because of personal harrassment, most of it
being verbal. I have grown up in a houshold hearing my mother being
verbally abused by my father. And it hurts. Some of the most painful
things that have been said to me or about me have yet to lose thier
sting.
>Okay, yes. <smile> I wouldn't, however, like anyone on the list
>to be left with the impression that I think that it's okay to harrass
>anyone -- including children. I don't.
I sincerely hope you don't.
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Mistral wrote:
>I vote for wigs, corsets, lots of makeup and computer
>manipulation.... and Barry Letts.
Produced by John Nathan-Turner.
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From: "Tor Avon" <tor_avon@hotmail.com>
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Has anyone else considered that Anna Grant was very unlikely to be Del's
sister, and was more likely her husband?
This would be reinforced by the line when Avon asks her where she ran and
she answers 'to my husband'. This would have given Del ample oppurtunity to
cook up the story he fed to Avon, Del would have known that Anna wasn't
dead, and Del would have also known that Anna wasn't Anna. We do know that
Del was a mercenary, so he would have worked for anyone who paid him. I
think the same would go for Anna, though she turned true rebel. Del in
Countdown would have known about all of this, and this might explain why
Rumours looks like one hell of a coincedence.
Another thought, I'm convinced of which has nothing to do with Anna at all,
is that Avon, though intelligent and appearing well educated was born a
Delta grade, but managed to claw his way up the ladder.
I think this would explain his attitude to a certain extent, and his
treatment of Gan and Vila.
Tor
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From: "Tor Avon" <tor_avon@hotmail.com>
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Susan M wrote:
>Sure they did. Nanobots. There are specially programmed nanobots in every
>food they eat. The bots programming kicks in when they are damped with
>saliva.
>They then go through the mouth, cleaning up everything that isn't human
>tissue
>or tooth enamel
By the look of Avon's teeth, they obviously didn't work. Either that or he
never ate, just smoked a lot.
Tor
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Julia wrote:
> >P.S. I notice from my borrowed copy of the programme guide that the
> >People's Choice as script writer for the telemovie describes our Avon
> >as "basically a psychopath". Oh dear!
Boucher is covering himself becausse he knows that we've got it wrong.
It's supposed that PD defined Avon. He didn't. Avon is not PD, any more than
he is Dirty Harry.
Avon *is* Chris Boucher.
Chris Boucher knows psychology, and he set it up from the start, that's why
MBTI works so well, and Boucher openly acknowledges it in Blake with the
Idealism quote.
Tor.
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Judith wrote:
>
>To me it's a bit like the devil taking Jesus upto a high mountain and
>showing
>him the world and saying 'all this will be yours if you worship me.'
>I think that's why I see it as a test, because Avon knows that power
>corrupts
>and doesn't know if Blake realises it or not. Blake passes the test by
>rejecting the power.
Avon passes the test when Servalen makes the same offer in Aftermath.
Tor
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Somebody wrote:
>>TVM, even if wasn't quite Dr Who, and could have used a more
coherent plot.
>>What's being described here would just be an incestuous fanwank mess
>>foisted upon us by talentless egos who think they know better than
>>everybody else, and who tell us we should be grateful for any old
>crap.
Exactly like TSE. I can't think of anything good to say about it at
all, I only wish they'd put it on for Comic Relief, as it was probably
less canonical than Doctor Who and the Case of the Fatal Death!
>The bit that worries me is that it is an independent production
outside of
>the BBC, so when people forward there concerns to the beeb, it'll be
pretty
>much worthless. (Although if they were producing this and got our
concerns
>they'd probably ignore it anyway.)
Hello?!!? Independant producers hey? With Paul Darrow as ass.
Producer, that only leaves Lighthill as the exec. I reckon they made
that stuff up spur of the moment, and I don't even believe the late
Terry Nation sequel even exists, anymore than that apocryphal Dalek
movie that Ian Levene confessed to writing.
>>Speaking as a professional who's done Dr Who, DS9 and Voyager, I say
they
>>should at least have the professional decency to look back at the
whole of
>>series, and at least try to work out what people liked about it. As
opposed
>>to just doing a one-dimensional caricature of the last couple of
episodes,
>>which seems to be all they can remember....
At least the last couple of episodes weren't a total pantomime.
>Speaking as someone who's enjoyed your work, I'd love to see them
recruit
>someone with your level of talent, appreciation and understanding of
the
>series into the script.
Why don't they just make the version suggested in SFX, with Jeri Ryan
as Travis? Not.
>Or at least get Chris Boucher in on this. I'd love to be optimistic,
but my
>mind keeps flashing back to Avon:A Terrible Aspect and cringing.
I'd love to know what Chris thinks of the radio plays. Had he been the
editor, I'm sure he would have rejected then both.
Tor
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:58:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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On Tue 11 May, Julia Jones wrote:
> >Forget Darrow.
> >
> >JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
> >
> Forget both of them. Gareth Thomas is the man for the job.
Partiality aside, I actually think he would be a very good choice as one of the
things that gives Dr Who fresh blood is the contrast between the different
doctors. I think Gareth would bring some new elements to the Doctor's
personality. (Not that I wouldn't be happy to see Paul McGann continue if he
was given a decent script.)
> The only problem with that, of course, is that Gareth's Gorillas would
> suddenly find they had to share him with others at cons.
It's a drawback <grin>, but I could learn to live with it. Seeing Gareth in a
good part always takes priority.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:58:49 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Soldiers of Love
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There is an ad on the back page of the current Dr Who mag for a CD
containing Soldiers of Love, "a new sci-fi comedy drama series". Story
one is called Genesis and among the actors is Michael Keating playing
ex-game show host Mydas Mydason. Other names people might recognise are
Colin Baker, Nicholas Courtney and Norman Lovett. The CD costs Pound8.99
inc postage from MJTV, PO Box 5397, South Woodham Ferrers, Chelmsford
CM3 5ED, UK. Overseas add one pound. Cheques payable to MJTV. If anyone
has got it, can they tell us what it is like?
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:11:26 +0200
From: Chris <cporsch@cityweb.de>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] some more zines for sale
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Hi Hi
I have some B7 zines for sale too, so if you are interested in anything,
please drop me a line!
Postage is NOT included. ( I live in Germany )
Here we go..
New Horizon 4-6 and 10-12 $ 6 each
The Web 3 $ 3
Star One $ 3
Rebel 6, 7, 8, 14 $ 2 each
Slave 7 $ 2
Lunatic Heroes ( adult ) $ 6
Memory Play ( adult ) $ 6
Strategies ( adult/ slash ) $ 6
Southern Lights Special 3.5 and 3.75 $ 6 each
Deadlier Than The Male ( adult/gen ) $ 7
The Measure of Affection $ 10
Survivor $ 5
Revelations $ 5
Different Destinies 1 $ 8
All the best
Chris
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:28:40 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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In message <19990512083400.D877@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
>> Forget both of them. Gareth Thomas is the man for the job.
>
>Actually, this one makes sense. He'd make a good Doctor.
I wasn't suggesting him *just* because I think he's wonderful:-) I do
think he'd make an excellent Doctor.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:50:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Pick your own cover photos
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On Wed 12 May, Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> >I was very hacked off today as WH Smiths had already
> >sold out of the CoA/RoD tape
>
> I rang Virgin in Manchester on the day they were released and was told they
> had only ordered one copy of each tape as "they aren't very popular". I
> asked if they could hold them for me as I didn't want to go into town for
> no purpose. They said sure, then announced they couldn't find them now and
> thought "we must have sold them already". Fortunately I found another shop
> that had been more optimistic.
The tapes can be ordered from Horizon or CD Paradise (link from video section of
my site - please tell me if links are broken as CD Paradise keep swopping things
around on their page) We also link to Amazon for PAL tapes for Americans and
as soon as we get round to it, we'll add a link to Blackstar as they were the
cheapest source for Australians last time I looked (their prices include postage
anywhere in the world). It pays to check around as prices do fluctuate a bit.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Psychopaths!
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Tor wrote:
> Chris Boucher knows psychology, and he set it up
> from the start, that's why
<puzzled frown> So Avon should've shot the script
editor in the final episode, instead of Blake?
Regards
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