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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 161
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Pick your own cover photos
[B7L] B7 pub meetings
Re: [B7L] Cally and Auron
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #160
Request for 2nd season tapes in Canada
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #160
[B7L] [Rebecca Handcock <handcock@eratos.erin.utoronto.ca>] Request for 2nd season tapes in Canada
[B7L]Cally and Auron
Re: [B7L] Q-study/Four-fold way
Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
Re: [B7L] The Mummy and Vila
[B7L] Orac would probably do something if someone dared him do...
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:57:15 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Pick your own cover photos
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Harriet said:
> Bother, I picked the worst possible moment to start talking about this on
> Space City - when it's having a roll call. Anyone here likelier to
> respond? And apologies to those who thought it was too boring the first
> time they got it.
Not at all - just a deliberator, digestor and cogitator.
> While delivering the latest two re-released B7 videos to Stockholm, I
> started pondering yet again how Fab Films chose the cover photos. The
> latest baffling selection was a picture of Avon and Tarrant looking
> exceptionally dopey and Dayna looking OK, all standing in front of a plain
> green background (I think it's the Replication Plant on Auron) doing
> nothing in particular. So Calle and I started discussing what pictures we
> would use in the improbable event that we ever got control of the video
> distribution rights... and as a sideline we drew up a list of the silliest
> photos as well.
These were all great, Harriet, especially the silly list.
> *Children of Auron/Rumours of Death
> Avon and Shrinker in the cave.
My own preference would be the shot of Avon and Anna with the light bulb
between them. So evocative. It all comes down to a badly-lit cellar. Typical
of Anna's seedy little life.
I was very hacked off today as WH Smiths had already sold out of the CoA/RoD
tape :( I've ordered one, tho'.
Are these tapes coming out at regular dates now that I've failed to pick up?
Una
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:35:02 +0100
From: "kevin mahoney" <kevinpatrickmahoney@msn.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7 pub meetings
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:19:48 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally and Auron
Message-ID: <19980315.031951.10262.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Sun, 9 May 1999 16:45:47 +0100 "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
writes:
>Ellynne wrote:
><Even if you throw out the Thaarn myth in "Dawn",
[big snip]
Apologies to both Neil and Meredith. This part was written by Meredith.
I didn't mean to steal her credit.
Neil wrote
>
>I've come across this before, people rooting Auron culture in concepts
>of
>honour and success and stuff. I suppose it's as valid as any other,
>but as
>far as I'm concerned it's utter junk.
>
My opinion on this is mixed. Cally came from a culture that took ideas
about honesty and decency much more seriously than most of the Liberator
crew. She also seems to be the product of a fairly free society with
high standards of ethical behavior.
But was she from a culture that put a high value on personal honor and
keeping face? Some statements strongly suggest it. "Bounty" in
particular seems to push the idea of Cally coming from an honor oriented,
Asian style culture (the Auron ambassador even has a Chinese name). But,
other than her acceptance of exile and a limitless supply of Auron wise
sayings (comparable to the western image of Confucianisms), Cally's
overall behavior doesn't support it. We never see her react as if she's
lost face in a conflict, nor does she ever seem to think others have
(except possibly Leehan). The same can be said for other Aurons in
"Children."
Clearly, she has what seems to be a culturally rooted sense of honor and
ethics. She may have a sense of loss of face but, if so, it worked in a
complex cultural framework where it only applied in some situations and
with some people for her to be able to disregard it as easily as she does
with the crew and others.
>I think the discrepancies between the various accounts of Cally's
>reasons
>for leaving Auron show, more than all, the pitfalls of not having
>everything
>worked out beforehand.
This would explain it. I admit, any attempt to reconcile the
contradictions is going to take a lot of mental duct tape to hold the
pieces together. But half the fun is trying.
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:43:35 PDT
From: "Todd Girdler" <toddgirdler@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #160
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Although I've enjoyed being on the list for the past year or so, I have to
sign off. I know that I've been a bit of a lurker, and I apologise, but Uni
committments have kept me all but completely silent. Can anyone tell me how
to unsubscribe? (I accidentally deleted the message about 9 months ago)
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:55:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rebecca Handcock <handcock@eratos.erin.utoronto.ca>
To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Request for 2nd season tapes in Canada
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Hi,
A friend and I have been watching the series from season one, but we have
unfortunately found that the tape with the 2nd season episodes has become
corrupted. Is there anyone living in Canada willing and able to make a
copy for us? I would pay for all postage and tapes. If it is not possible
to copy it but it IS possible to lend it then I could borrow it to watch
and then return it. I have tried to borrow these here in Toronto but the
only place that used to rent the videos no longer does.
Thanks!
Rebecca
Rebecca Handcock ________________________________________________________
Dept. Geography, University of Toronto handcock@geog.utoronto.ca
100 St. George St. Toronto, ON, M5S 3G3, CANADA Fax:+1(416)946-3886
________________________________ http://eratos.erin.utoronto.ca/handcock/
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Date: 11 May 1999 08:00:13 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Todd Girdler" <toddgirdler@hotmail.com>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #160
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"Todd Girdler" <toddgirdler@hotmail.com> writes:
> Can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe?
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Date: 11 May 1999 11:22:02 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] [Rebecca Handcock <handcock@eratos.erin.utoronto.ca>] Request for 2nd season tapes in Canada
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Hi,
A friend and I have been watching the series from season one, but we have
unfortunately found that the tape with the 2nd season episodes has become
corrupted. Is there anyone living in Canada willing and able to make a
copy for us? I would pay for all postage and tapes. If it is not possible
to copy it but it IS possible to lend it then I could borrow it to watch
and then return it. I have tried to borrow these here in Toronto but the
only place that used to rent the videos no longer does.
Thanks!
Rebecca
Rebecca Handcock ________________________________________________________
Dept. Geography, University of Toronto handcock@geog.utoronto.ca
100 St. George St. Toronto, ON, M5S 3G3, CANADA Fax:+1(416)946-3886
________________________________ http://eratos.erin.utoronto.ca/handcock/
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:52:34 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]Cally and Auron
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Neil said:
>Lehan likewise was sent by the opposition, but unlike Cally with
government
>approval. His failure to return is then cited by the government as
proof of
>its own policy. So the 'we' in Cally's 'So did we' does not refer to
the
>Auron government, but to the dissident underground, and resisting the
>Federation is not the only item on the agenda. Likewise, when Cally
says
>that Lehan can go home, government approval of his return is not
uppermost
>in her mind
Another subtle difference between Cally's mission and Lehan's is that
Lehan was
going to form an alliance whereas Cally was going to take direct action
against
the Federation. Therefore while Cally was compromising Auron
neutrality,
Lehan might simply have been on a diplomatic mission. Hence, Lehan's
mission not only gets government approval it might even be on behalf of
the
government while Cally 's definitely is not.
Cally can't go home because they won't let her.
From the snippet of dialogue you quoted it may be that Lehan could
return
home but chooses not to because he feels he still has work to do.
Julie Horner
Software Engineer
Lincoln Software
Tel: +44 (0) 1625 616722
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:43:44 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Q-study/Four-fold way
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Una wrote:
+AD4-Hehehe... Actually, I figured you'd appear in account 4. Honest. It's on
the
+AD4-Space City list.
Very kind of you to put it up on a list I don't subscribe to. Not.
Leaving aside the Kiwi Separatism for the moment, the four main accounts
remind me of the 'four-fold way' of role-playing games. Briefly put,this
theorises that gamers follow four different approaches to gaming -
1) The Power Gamer - seeking to maximise wealth and lethality for his (or
sometimes her) character.
2) The Wargamer - prefers the combat, but primarily as a tactical exercise.
3) The Narrative Gamer - the story's the thing.
4) The Role-Player - into deep characterisation and vicarious living above
all else.
(1)s and (2)s tend to get along well with each other, as do (3)s and (4)s,
but other combinations can generate inter-player tensions. As I see it,
Power Gamers and Wargamers are more focused on their own characters, whereas
Narrativists and Role-Players are more outward-looking - characters (whether
it's what they do or who they are) can only make sense when viewed as part
of a coherent fantasy world.
In tthe Q-study, we have a parallel, I think. Acc1s and 2s focus primarily
on the main characters, and not necessarily all of them, while Acc3s and 4s
accord the background equal importance. What you might call the difference
between seeing the figures in the landscape and seeing them as part of the
landscape.
In practice, of course, individuals follow several paths at once. Many
Powergamers enjoy a bit of Wargaming too, for example. Likewise I would
expect Acc1s and 2s to share a coincidence of interests, and also Acc3s and
4s. Some people, of course, can juggle all four paths and pick and choose
to suit as the occasion demands. (These would be the ones who come out as
non-exemplifying sorts, yes?)
As a rolegamer I'm primarily a Narrativist with a bit of Roleplayer thrown
in. Powergaming has never interested me much, and I enjoy combat for the
adrenaline rush and the tactical stuff can go fry itself. So I guess it's
no surprise that I come out as an Acc3/4.
I would further expect extreme 1s/2s and 3s/4s to have some trouble
communicating with each other, because they see the series in radically
different ways (while a 1 and a 2, or a 3 and 4, would have a much easier
time talking to each other). As far as B7 goes, this kind of classification
sounds a lot more useful than all that Myers-Briggs tosh:)
Neil
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Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:18:05 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Forget the telemovie... PD for Dr Who
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Forget Darrow.
JAN CHAPPELL FOR DOCTOR WHO.
Neil
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:23:56 EDT
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Mummy and Vila
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Leah said:
<< We went to see debut of THE MUMMY yesterday, and I have to say I enjoyed
it
very much; apart from the spectacular special effects and action, it boasts
terrific characters and great dialogue and overall writing.> <snip>
< What struck both of us was the tremendous similarity of one of the main
characters to Vila. >>
I saw THE MUMMY also and loved it! I found it very Indiana Jonish. Everyone
in the audience had a great time with it, laughing and even clapping. The
scary moments (I was jumping out of my seat about every 10 minutes!) was
nicely balanced by the humor. And yes, Leah is right, the brother is a lot
like Vila, even doing something very clever at one point (this is where they
clapped) to avoid being caught. Go see it if you can!!
Gail
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:22:03 -0700
From: "Otewalt, Andrew" <Andrew.Otewalt@kla-tencor.com>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Orac would probably do something if someone dared him do...
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> Orac would probably do something if someone dared him do...
>
there's a story in here somewhere.
orac makes a *snide* remark, and avon tell's orac to go to hell.
and vila taunts orac, saying he can't.
and orac say's +fine, teleporing now+ , and with the usual sound and visual
effects = orac is gone !
and then the rest have to figure out where in blazes orac went.
( i just can't skip a pun ).
- andrew "good idea, lacks artistic ability to write, however " otewalt
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