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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 128
Today's Topics:
[B7L] The Syndeton Experiment
Re: [B7L] how big are the Liberator and scorpio?
[B7L] Syndeton Experiment
Re: re [B7L] Dark drama
re [B7L] Dark drama
[B7L] Songs and characters
Re: [B7L] Wow!
OT: Re: [B7L] Dark drama
[B7L] Re:dark drama
Re: [B7L] Wow!
Re: [B7L] Wow!
Re: re [B7L] Dark drama
Re: [B7L] Wow!
Re: [B7L] Songs and characters
Re: [B7L] Songs and characters
Re: [B7L] Syndeton Experiment
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #127 URGENT!!!!!!!!
Re: [B7L] Songs and characters
Re: OT: BACs (was Re: [B7L] Worst Openings)
Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
[B7L] Syndeton Experiment
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:16:28 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>,
Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
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Well, not as bad as the Sevenfold Crown, but is someone seriously expecting
me to believe that Avon spent his youth in clubs with names like the Purple
Nightingale?
And was that planet Capica or Brontidor?
Harriet
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 99 16:33:28
From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] how big are the Liberator and scorpio?
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On Sat 10 Apr 99 (16:40:23 +0200), blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se wrote:
> A friend recently lent me 'SFX' No. 49 (March 1999), which has, on
> page 29, entitled 'My rocket's bigger than yours!' a comparison of the
> sizes of famous sci-fi spaceships, using diagrams. The Liberator, I
> saw,
> was about 450 metres (1350 feet) long, roughly two thirds the length of
> an
> Imperial Star Destroyer. Scorpio was about 42 metres (126 feet) long.
There is a problem with the size of the Liberator, in "Space Fall" the long
range cargo ship, London was tiny compaired to the Libarator. but by "Dule" the
star-burst persute ships were about 1/3 the size of the liberator. This just
seams wrong, to me.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:43:15 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Syndeton Experiment
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Having just listened the The Syndeton Experiment, I've concluded that it's
better then The Sevenfold Crown.
It still has flaws, but the really obvious errors have been fixed.
Slave only calls Avon 'master' now. Both Dayna and Soolin were better written.
There was one moment that I felt was slightly off, but the 'Dr Who helpless
companion' syndrome has largely been avoided and they came across as stronger
characters than in the previous play. Vila now drinks as he should instead of
overeating.
The bit that really had me worried was when Avon said to Dr Rossum that he liked
inflicting pain and from the context in which he said it, there was the
implication that it was true. That isn't Avon. Avon may be a cynical bastard,
but he isn't a psycopath (he was having a joke at his own expense in 'Blake').
This simply doesn't fit any aspect of Avon that I've encountered before. He'll
kill without remorse when necessary, but he doesn't hurt people for pleasure.
Tarrant came off better than before. His voice sounded more on the mark and I'm
sure his fans will be delighted at the way he was described by another female
character. However, I was a little worried about his characterisation at a
couple of points. I tend to see 4th season Tarrant as fairly gentlemanly. He
actually comments here that his word isn't important to him (or something like
that) and although it is arguable that he was under Servalan's influence at the
time, I'm still uneasy.
The plot was the almost inevitable 4th season, mega-device that will make the
holder really powerful, with both Avon and Servalan struggling to get it first.
It wasn't too bad, but I did find one point really unconvincing. Dr Rostrum
manages to do something to an entire planet and you inevitably wonder why one or
two of the two million population didn't object... (I got the impression that
his mind control device had to be implanted in the brain first.)
I also wonder at Avon's certainty that a robot can't be truely self-aware - I
would define Orac as alive.
The hyperspace stuff contradicts the series, but at least it's self-consistent
and the series was never terribly clear about how such things operated.
Overall, I guess this can rate alongside the poorer 4th season episodes, whereas
The Sevenfold Crown was pretty much beyond the pale.
I really would like to hear a first or second season episode, not just because
of Blake, but also because I'd like to hear Avon in the days before every
sentence sounded like a snarl. He tended to rely more on wit and cutting
sarcasm to make his point, rather than on dominating everyone.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:10:47 -0700
From: "Ann Basart" <abasart@dnai.com>
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
Cc: "Blake's7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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> From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
> To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Subject: re [B7L] Dark drama
> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 11:52 PM
>
> I've just a read a piece on the BBC online news that British TV drama has
> been slated for being 'too dark, too slow, too gritty or too
> socio-political' to sell to a worldwide audience. The report by the
> Department of Culture points to sunny upbeat Australian shows like Home
and
> Away as the kind of thing British TV companies ought to be making.
>
> Rather kills off any last hopes of a fifth season of B7, dunnit?
>
> Neil
It rather kills off any hopes for good TV altogether. I enjoy "dark, slow,
gritty, and/or socio-political" very much (does that make me "unAmerican?),
and I _really_ object to someone out there in TV-land assuming to know what
I like. (Another complaint: American remakes of things that were better in
the original, such as "Cracker." Bab 5 was pretty good sometimes; perhaps
that's why it was more or less ignored. My other favorites -- "The
Sandbaggers," "Sapphire & Steel," of course B7 -- all stemmed from the UK.
Now I read that someone in the U.S. is planning to do a takeoff on "Fawlty
Towers." Help!!) And "Masterpiece Theatre" has diminished from wonderful
program(me)s like Henry James's "Golden Bowl" years ago to trifling stories
that are hardly masterpieces.
Pardon unfocussed complaint, but I needed to get this off my chest. This
"looking at the bottom line" mentality has gotten even worse in the past
few years. Among other things, it underestimates or demeans the audience.
If British TV drama goes down the drain, there won't be anything much left
that I or many of my friends want to watch.
Ann
abasart@dnai.com
PS - But I have to put in a good word for the sit-com "As Time Goes By" --
mainly because Judy Dench is in it.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:37:43 +0100 (BST)
From: "U.M. Mccormack" <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re [B7L] Dark drama
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Neil said:
>I've just a read a piece on the BBC online news that British TV drama has
>been slated for being 'too dark, too slow, too gritty or too
>socio-political' to sell to a worldwide audience. The report by the
>Department of Culture points to sunny upbeat Australian shows like Home
>and Away as the kind of thing British TV companies ought to be making.
NO-O-O-O-O-O!!!!! <and there was weeping and grinding of teeth...>
>Rather kills off any last hopes of a fifth season of B7, dunnit?
I dunno...
'G'day, Bliyke!'
'G'day, Ivon!'
'Beaut day furra barbie!'
Hmmm... doesn't have that edge quite... Still, it's about the same level
as 'The Syndeton Experiment'...
(*Sincere* apologies to all antipodeans who can now shriek deserved
abuse.)
Una
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:53:21 EDT
From: TVFan87656@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Songs and characters
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When listening to a song on the radio\CD player\cassette tape, do you ever
think to yourself, "this would be perfect for a B7 character?"
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:34:10 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com>
To: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Wow!
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At 04:18 AM 4/10/99 -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>Is that a good wow, or a bad wow?
It's a "Finally, I can check *that* off my to-do list" wow. Mind you I
can't say the ending came as a big surprise. But I actually saw it! With my
own eyes! Hahahahaha!!!
--Penny "Wow" Dreadful
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:37:31 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: OT: Re: [B7L] Dark drama
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On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 07:37:43PM +0100, U.M. Mccormack wrote:
> Neil said:
>
> >I've just a read a piece on the BBC online news that British TV drama has
> >been slated for being 'too dark, too slow, too gritty or too
> >socio-political' to sell to a worldwide audience. The report by the
> >Department of Culture points to sunny upbeat Australian shows like Home
> >and Away as the kind of thing British TV companies ought to be making.
>
> NO-O-O-O-O-O!!!!! <and there was weeping and grinding of teeth...>
>
> >Rather kills off any last hopes of a fifth season of B7, dunnit?
>
> I dunno...
>
> 'G'day, Bliyke!'
> 'G'day, Ivon!'
> 'Beaut day furra barbie!'
Isn't that, "Chuck anotha shrimp on th' barbie"? (-8
> Hmmm... doesn't have that edge quite... Still, it's about the same level
> as 'The Syndeton Experiment'...
>
> (*Sincere* apologies to all antipodeans who can now shriek deserved
> abuse.)
Not at all. I never watch soap trash. Even apparently superior soap
trash like Neighbours. I have a suspicion that Neighbours and the
like are *more* popular in the UK than they are here. Probably
because it is a change from the usual fare of dark, slow, gritty and
socio-political. Now, if you were denigrating *good* Aussie shows
like... like... like Police Rescue, then it would be another matter.
My video collection is mostly US and UK stuff. For the TV series, the
exceptions are:
Aussie children's SF (Finder's Keepers, Girl From Tomorrow, Ocean
Girl, Spellbinder)
Aussie action drama (Halifax f.p., Police Rescue, Murder Call, Spyforce)
(of which only Halifax and Police Rescue are really good, IMHO)
New Zealand children's SF series (Night of the Red Hunter)
Japanese anime (Bubblegum Crisis, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Robotech)
Canadian+ SF (Forever Knight, Highlander, LEXX, Matrix)
I count myself fortunate in at least this: that even if we don't
produce any non-Children's SF, we get to see the best from both the US
and the UK. Most of the time. They never showed Sapphire & Steel
over here (boo hiss) I had to find out about that from fannish word of
mouth. Highlander had a truncated run, only to turn up later on
cable, and VR.5 was shown at midnight.
The best Aussie drama gets produced by the ABC (the Aussie equivalent
of the BBC) - naturally.
Down with pandering to the lowest common denominator!
Down with pandering to the US market!
Up with quality drama! Up with dark and gritty!
(+) Canadian sometimes plus other country like France or Germany.
Mind you, Spellbinder was an Australian plus
some-european-country-I've-forgotten production. Means you get nifty
accents for half your cast.
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:52:11 +1000
From: Sarah Berry <berrys@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:dark drama
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> From: "Neil Faulkner"
> I've just a read a piece on the BBC online news that British TV drama has
> been slated for being 'too dark, too slow, too gritty or too
> socio-political' to sell to a worldwide audience. The report by the
> Department of Culture points to sunny upbeat Australian shows like Home and
> Away as the kind of thing British TV companies ought to be making.
No no no, no aaaaahhh! Just another example of cocacola-ism. Why does TV have
to be the same the world over? Why does it have to be about money so very
often? I don't know anything about programs from anywhere except the US, UK and
OZ (maybe a bit of Candian and NZ and a few European/Chinese/Indian films), but
it's the darkness and grittiness that's so different and wonderful and should be
preserved! From where else in one weekend would you get two major female
characters killed off (Ballykissangel and Heartbeat)? And I loved Ultraviolet
and Between the Lines/Sheets and Cracker....
Sarah Berry.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:44:20 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Penny, re finally seeing *that* episode:
<Mind you I can't say the ending came as a big surprise. But I
actually saw it! With my own eyes! Hahahahaha!!!>
You're lucky.I saw it in its original run - with absolutely no warning
from the local media that it was the last one of the *season* let
alone the last one all told, let alone how they were going to *make
sure* it was the last one...it took me twenty years to forgive anyone
and everyone concerned.
PS - yes, I know it wasn't meant to be the absolute end, but actually,
I'm rather glad it was, since (a) we wouldn't be at liberty to
resurrect anyone we liked if the BBC had made the decisions for us and
(b) it WAS a hell of a way to go...5th season would have to be an
anti-climax no matter what they did.
>
>--Penny "Wow" Dreadful
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:42:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tegan Brandi <tegan@goddess.coe.missouri.edu>
To: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Wow!
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> You're lucky.I saw it in its original run - with absolutely no warning
> from the local media that it was the last one of the *season* let
> alone the last one all told, let alone how they were going to *make
> sure* it was the last one...it took me twenty years to forgive anyone
> and everyone concerned.
so you're going to forgive them in about 2 years?
:)
tegan (*)
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http://offcenter.org/~tegan
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do. At least it's accurate twice a day, which is more than you ever
are. - Tegan, The Visitation
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:20:40 +1000
From: Joanne <calliste@bigpond.com>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: re [B7L] Dark drama
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>I've just a read a piece on the BBC online news that British TV drama has
>been slated for being 'too dark, too slow, too gritty or too
>socio-political' to sell to a worldwide audience. The report by the
>Department of Culture points to sunny upbeat Australian shows like Home and
>Away as the kind of thing British TV companies ought to be making.
>
>Rather kills off any last hopes of a fifth season of B7, dunnit?
>
>Neil
I hope to God that the BBC don't ever turn to making shows like 'Home and
Away'!!
Here in Australia I very rarely find anything worthwhile on television
apart BBC drama and occasional shows produced by the ABC (Australian
Broadcasting Corporation) and SBS (a multi-cultural station).
Joanne and Sue
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Streams like the thunder-storm against the wind.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:00:55 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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<so you're going to forgive them in about 2 years? :)
tegan (*)>
Maybe. If I'm feeling very very very generous. (Stop being so damned
literal, woman!!!<g>)
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:26:02 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
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In a message dated 99-04-10 14:54:47 EDT, TVFan87656@aol.com writes:
<< When listening to a song on the radio\CD player\cassette tape, do you ever
think to yourself, "this would be perfect for a B7 character?" >>
For no explainable reason, if I listen to "Dreaming" (by Blondie), it reminds
me of Jenna. "When I met you in a resturant.....you knew I was no debutante",
is easily changed to "When I met you in a jail cell....knew you were no
normal Alpha male".
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:00:25 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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TVFan87656@aol.com wrote:
> When listening to a song on the radio\CD player\cassette tape, do you ever
> think to yourself, "this would be perfect for a B7 character?"
Actually, from almost the first time I heard it, Depeche Mode's 'The Love
Thieves' has reminded me of Avon; or perhaps it's really more that it brings
to mind Paul Darrow playing Avon for a bunch of adoring fen? It's a
combination of the song's moodiness and the lyrics, I think, particularly the
line 'You're holding court with your lips and your smile'.
An old song, 'Allies', by Heart, would make a perfect Blake-Avon video, IMHO.
Also, there's a very obscure 70's song about a political prisoner called
'Oregon (I Can't Go Home)' by a band called Monkey Zoo which would be quite
easy to turn into a song for Cally with *extremely* minor changes: 'I'm from
the Auronar, Auron is my home; I love the trees, the hills, the places I have
roamed. I long to be there; I long to be there with my own kind.' It's really
perfect for her; a pity my record is warped too badly to be listenable -- and
it may be the last remaining copy, I'm not sure the album was even available
outside of Oregon. <sigh> Now I'm sad. This would be such a beautiful Cally
song.
Ah, well. Every silver lining has a cloud.
--
"Next to a battle lost, there's nothing half so melancholy as a battle won" --
Jarvik
"Unless it's a record album warped" -- Mistral
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:28:55 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Judith Proctor wrote:
> I also wonder at Avon's certainty that a robot can't be truely self-aware - I
> would define Orac as alive.
Of course, I didn't get to hear the play, but I really wouldn't worry about this,
Judith, Avon was always insisting to everybody else that Orac was just a computer,
and then treating Orac like a person when no one else was looking. Without wishing
to start the 'Is Orac alive' thread again, I believe that under *some* definitions
Orac could certainly be said to be alive. Our bodies are essentially organic
computers, and Orac is certainly self-aware, has a personality, and has desires,
even if his personality and desires are programmed (I suspect our personality and
desires are mostly hard-wired into our genetics); and Orac could certainly program a
manufacturing machine to reproduce himself. When Cally was talking about the
dimension that the alien was from in 'Shadow', she said 'Orac has no consciousness
in that dimension', implying that he has consciousness in our dimension. So if Avon
was asserting that a robot can't be self-aware, I suspect it was just hyperbole on
his part (he does do that from time to time).
> I really would like to hear a first or second season episode, not just because
> of Blake, but also because I'd like to hear Avon in the days before every
> sentence sounded like a snarl. He tended to rely more on wit and cutting
> sarcasm to make his point, rather than on dominating everyone.
I'll second that. Although he wasn't *always* snarly in the third season, either.
Still, be thankful to hear anything at all. I shall have to wait until there's money
for the CD-- and I've practically spent my year's media budget on zines already.
Grins,
Mistral
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"Let's forget your ego for a moment." -- Avon, to Orac, 'Gold'
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:38:36 +0100
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:56:39 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
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There are literally dozens and dozens of fan-produced B7 music videos of
every sort that have been inspired almost entirely by the lyrics of one
popular song or another. We've got many in our collection.
I regard the best one ever made to arguably be the Avon video done to the
tune of OPPORTUNITIES (Pet Shop Boys) by a professional film editor out in
the Southwest. It was shown on the big screen at STARCON in Denver about 10
years back (Darrow was among the audience) and it drew an extended standing
ovation.
Leah
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:37:01 EDT
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
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In a message dated 4/8/99 4:17:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes:
<< As an INTJ who *is* a Christian, I do feel that the facts speak for
themselves, and that Christianity is self-evident, and that anyone who
doesn't believe it doesn't have all the facts. <grin> >>
I really liked your post. You have explained the idea that Christians can
have a solid understanding of the "facts" as explained by science and still
believe in a more complete universe that contains the spiritual element as
well! In other words, we are not all complete crazies just because we
believe that there is more to the world than we can see. And yes, in America
it is fair game, or PC, to say what you like about Christians, as it is in
Australia.
By the way, what kind of Christian would Blake be? I suspect he would be one
of those obnoxious "I-won't-take-no-for-an-answer" missionaries that so many
are complaining about. After all, that's what he does with the fight against
the Federation.
Gail
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:58:38 EDT
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
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In a message dated 4/7/99 4:37:00 PM Central Daylight Time,
bengreen@primex.co.uk writes:
<< It is the opening credits of the Prisoner, cult brit thing, the actual
catchphrase was I am not a number I am a free man, any other fans of the
prisoner on here ? My fave episode has gotta be Schizoid Man.
>>
Yes, I love the Prisoner, too. I think Patrick McGoohan (sp?) is a wonderful
actor.
How about VR5, a very short-lived, wonderful computer sci-fi American show.
Any fans out there?
Gail
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:49:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Syndeton Experiment
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It just struck me that Barry Letts has obviously never watched Ultraworld.
Avon's reaction at the end of The Syndeton Experiment should have been *very*
different. He *knows* that people can be reduced to an empty husk because it's
happened to him personally. He also knows that the process is reversible as
long as the memory tube or whatever is preserved.
I've had to mark the play down as a result. Minor violation of canon is one
thing, but I count this a major violation as it affects the character
portrayal.
Imagine Avon's reaction in The Syndeton Experiment if he was playing it with the
memory of Ultraworld suddenly fresh in his mind. His reaction to Vila's fate
would surely have been very different.
There's also an interesting continuity point brought up by the play. Is there
any way in which a single molecule of syndeton can be removed from Tarrant's
brain? If not, the implications for future episodes are rather extreme. I
suspect, however, that it will simply be forgotten.
For an example of the subtlety of good continuity, look at one of Terry Nation's
episodes - 'Duel' which I watched last night.
JENNA: That's one way to become a hunted man: trust the powerful.
BLAKE: True. What's your excuse?
JENNA: Oh, I wasn't clever enough, we none of us were. The
Federation has beaten us all at least once.
BLAKE: At least.
Watch the expression on Blake's face when he says 'at least'. He's referring to
himself and having watched the first epsiode, we know what he's talking about.
If you haven't seen the first episode, then you aren't left confused as the
reference can be taken as a general one, but if you have seen it, then the
moment gains enormous emotional impact from the knowledge of Blake's two trials.
Actually, I don't think Barry Letts has watched the first episode either. The
background he is creating for Avon (nightclubs and casual affairs) does not feel
like dome society. I'm sure clubs existed, but their nature would have been
different.
I don't see Avon as a man who was into casual sex either. His relationship with
Anna was far more than that.
Judith
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