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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 127
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
Re: [B7L]OT:Last Train
[B7L] Various sunbeam stuff - deeply OT
Re: [B7L] Re: London fans interested in evening out
Re: [B7L] Re: London fans interested in evening out
Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
Re: [B7L] The Syndeton Experiment/Radio Times
Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
[B7L] Actor Query
A Year Dead (was Re: [B7L] The Syndeton Experiment/Radio Times)
[B7L] Re:piss christ
Re: Avon [B7L] the Sunbeam?
[B7L] Wow!
Re: [B7L] Wow!
[B7L] Re: How big are the Liberator and Scorpio?
re [B7L] Dark drama
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:23:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Art and the Desperate Editor
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Pat P wrote:
> A long thread raged before on whether online B7 content was killing
> fanzines. I doubt it. Firstly, not all fans are even online. Secondly,
> few people can bear to read entire 2 - 10,000 word stories online.
And Nina replied:
>Plus, it's difficult to read in bed...<eg>
Depends how important your PC is in your life.. ;)
Una
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:31:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: B7 Spin <b7spin@metva.com.au>
Subject: Re: [B7L]OT:Last Train
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Julie said:
>Sorry to be off-topic but this subject has already been
>raised on this list.
I've also sent this to the spin, so we might move it over there.
>Thanks to whoever it was who first mentioned this new series (Una?)
Credit goes to Steve.
>Pretty good IMO.
>
>What do others think?
I missed the second episode, unfortunately, but I thought the first one
was... OK. It felt a little garbled. I also thought that too much time was
spent focusing on the menace from the hunting packs (and I gather this was
quite a bit of part 2 as well) and not enough on pulling together the
chracters and the ramifications of the situation. But I really disliked
the first episode of 'Ultraviolet', and that went on to be just wonderful,
so I'm going to give this time.
And I must watch back the first episode of 'Survivors': see how they
compare...
Una
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:50:57 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Various sunbeam stuff - deeply OT
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Kathryn, I've really appreciated your spirited and good-humoured responses
to these threads. Although I really enjoyed Stephen's worst opening a lot,
I'm also glad that you took the time to respond to it from your POV: I
think the humour definitely lies in Avon the Sunbeam rather than any
broader comment about religiosity (for me, at any rate). I'm glad you made
the points about PC-ness as well.
You said:
>I think that Avon would find it very hard to believe that God loved
>him, and that that part of his nature would take a long time to
>change. God-the-Creator of order and beauty and systems would have
>more appeal to him IMHO.
This I could really go with!
>A thought, though: if Avon did convert to a religion, which one is the
>most likely to appeal to him?
I'm definitely with those who see a Jesuit in there!
Re: piss christ
>This is a wierd interpretation. Yes, the statement is true, but it
>calls one to say, "I am going to totally ignore the usual symbolism of
>urine, and declare that it doesn't mean what it usually means." When
>you "piss on" something, in the *non* literal sense, you are treating
>it with utter contempt. Even the title, "Piss Christ" sounds like
>a yell of hatred - "Piss Christ!"
Here I'd really have to go with Alison's interpretation: the title of the
piece isn't 'piss *on* christ' it's 'piss christ': OK, pedantic semantics,
but that makes a difference from my POV. It'd be different if it were
'f**k christ'. Much different.
I suppose that I just see these words as how they were originally used:
good old Anglo-Saxon everyday, earthy phrases. That leads me more towards
Alison's view of the piece, I suppose. I hope you all note that I edited the
second one because as an INFJ I'm remembering that somebody might be
offended and that I should take their opinions to heart - anyone who knows
me will be aware that I am a s*dding filthy-mouth*d b*st*rd g*bsh*ite.. ;)
>If that is the opposite of that the artist intended, well, he just
>failed as an artist.
I guess what irritates me most about this sort of thing is the deliberate
shock tactics. Any point worth making gets lost in the general kerfuffle
that ensues.
Una
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:19:55 -0700
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: London fans interested in evening out
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>Well I, and Steve Kilbane, are going to be at Pages Bar on Sunday night
>(11 April) for their vampire/Buffy night - it's actually called
>Nosferatu night. Let me know if you, or anyone else, is interested.
bummer
I gonna go too but I'm stuck in LA. I love!!! Buffy!
Tramila
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:27:29 -0700
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: London fans interested in evening out
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>>Well I, and Steve Kilbane, are going to be at Pages Bar on Sunday night
>>(11 April) for their vampire/Buffy night - it's actually called
>>Nosferatu night. Let me know if you, or anyone else, is interested.
>
>bummer
>I gonna go too but I'm stuck in LA. I love!!! Buffy!
Gesh! It's too early in the morning!!!!
I meant:
I wanna go!!!!
Twisted mind...bad typing...and too many late nights.
Tramila
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:06:04 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Worst Openings
Message-ID: <19980312.050606.10062.1.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:06:54 -0700 Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
writes:
>"Ellynne G." wrote:
>> When I was a missionary, I knew elders (that's the guy missionaries,
>> normally age 19 to 21. The women are sisters, in case anyone wanted
>to
>> know, and _infinitly_ more mature)
>
>erm... in true NT factual terminology specific style:
>if the women are more mature, why aren't *they* called the elders?
Linguistic tradition. Guy missionaries are elders. That's all
>and technically, how can a 19 year old teenager be an elder?
>then what are 80 year olds called? ancients? walking dead?
Brothers.
>if the gal teens are called sisters, shouldn't the guy teens be called
>brothers?
>
>This dichotomy looks sexist to me: rather like calling men men while
>calling women girls.
Trust me, it's not. Actually, I've always wondered about calling men
men. Men was originally a neuter noun. English discarded the word that
meant "adult male human being" centuries ago. The historians say it was
for male sexist pig kind of reasons, but I've never been able to get over
the suspicion there's a really big slam against guys at the root of it.
>Even Dayna did that: calling herself "the girl who killed Bayban"
>Dayna was at least 18, so she was surely an adult, a woman.
>(note: that was the required relevant B7 reference)
And much appreciated.
>Precise, Persnickity Pat P
>P.S. (and what do the teen gals do for 3 years while the guys are out
>ringing the doorbells of hapless folks during dinner? ah ha! They are
>sensibly pursuing their advanced degrees at University. very good!
Naturally. Actually, it wasn't until college that I met women who
thought there was anything unusual in women getting higher education. At
least, I had one class where all the women got talking one day about how
they were the first generation in their families to go to college. I
finally had to confess to being the third. That was also when I realized
my mom's parents insisting she not get married till she finished her
degree (this was after she got engaged) did not reflect a common attitude
that time period. By the way, missions are for two years.
Hmm. Maybe one of the real reasons I like Blakes 7 is Servalan. I
actually grew up around women like that (only in a positive way, force of
personality, leadership ability, deep rooted conviction they can take on
the whole world and win as the natural order of things). Come to think
of it, I know some women who would have her for lunch if she was dumb
enough to go up against them.
The
>guys can then go on to become experienced door to door vacumn cleaner
>salesmen.)
Come on, now, be nice. We know how to take no for an answer (although
politeness is appreciated on the part of door slammers). Why, some of
the guys even become science fiction fans.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:00:25 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Syndeton Experiment/Radio Times
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>> ohmawgauwd, imagine that! the entire Scorpio crew gone totally
>> telepathic. they'll *all* be dead in a week!
><grin> Didn't the Hitchhiker's Guide describe telepathy as a dreaded >social disease?
>Nina
So, we send them to a rock concert. What was the name of Hotblack Desiato's mob? Oh, yes. Disaster Area.
The question I have to ask now: which of the crew would people like to see spend a year dead for whatever reasons?
Regards
Joanne
(feeling abnormally chatty today - very strange)
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:55:31 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Avon the Sunbeam? (was Re: [B7L] Born again brouhaha)
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Iain said:
>On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
>> A thought, though: if Avon did convert to a religion, which one is the
>> most likely to appeal to him?
>>
>
>It's strictly no contest: Avon would _have_ to be a Jesuit.
>
Yes, I too am firmly in the Avon as a Jesuit camp.
Aren't they the order who subject themselves to an ascetic lifestyle
and have very scholarly leanings?
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:59:30 -0600
From: kmwilcox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (K. Michael Wilcox)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Actor Query
Message-Id: <199904091856.UAA22858@samantha.lysator.liu.se>
I've made a list of actors who've been in both B7 and Who for Sub-43
( http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~kmwilcox/Blake ) by using the "B7 Programme
Guide" and a pair of Who books, and I found something I wanted to ask
about here.
In "Voice from the Past" there was an actor named Martin Read. In
"Silver Nemesis" there was one named Martyn Read. I presume they're
different people, but I wanted to make sure (and don't have SN on
tape). Could someone verify this one way or the other?
K. M. Wilcox
In any case, I have 115 actors already, which is a bit more than I'd
anticipated.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:11:22 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: A Year Dead (was Re: [B7L] The Syndeton Experiment/Radio Times)
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On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 04:00:25PM -0700, Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> The question I have to ask now: which of the crew would people like
> to see spend a year dead for whatever reasons?
Blake spends a year dead for political purposes. Or maybe he already
has.
Avon spends a year dead because he can't stand people anyway.
Orac doesn't count, he isn't, strictly speaking, alive.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:34:29 +1000
From: Sarah Berry <berrys@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:piss christ
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Alison and Kathyrn gave different interpretations of Piss Christ.
And Kathyrn also said:
> If that is the opposite of that the artist intended, well, he just
> failed as an artist.
Isn't part of 'success' that one inspires discussion and varied viewpoints?
Sarah Berry
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:38:16 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Avon [B7L] the Sunbeam?
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Kathryn wrote:
<I find it much easier to concieve of Avon converting to an
old-fashioned fire-and-brimstone grim version of Christianity than the
"Yes Jesus loves me" sunbeam variety.>
To which Joanne replied:
<I thought of the Spanish Inquisition at this point...>
Yes, (as usual, immediately grasping the all-important issues here)
wouldn't he look *wonderful* in the red robes???
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:20:15 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Wow!
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I just -- after a 7+ year buildup -- watched 'Blake' for the very first
time. And all I can say is...wow. Wow. Wow.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:18:56 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Penny Dreadful wrote:
> I just -- after a 7+ year buildup -- watched 'Blake' for the very first
> time. And all I can say is...wow. Wow. Wow.
<Mistral uses her Glinda voice:>
Is that a good wow, or a bad wow?
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"I plan to live forever -- or die trying."--Vila
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:20:04 +0100
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: How big are the Liberator and Scorpio?
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A friend recently lent me 'SFX' No. 49 (March 1999), which has, on
page 29, entitled 'My rocket's bigger than yours!' a comparison of the
sizes of famous sci-fi spaceships, using diagrams. The Liberator, I saw,
was about 450 metres (1350 feet) long, roughly two thirds the length of an
Imperial Star Destroyer. Scorpio was about 42 metres (126 feet) long.
Murray
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:52:30 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: re [B7L] Dark drama
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I've just a read a piece on the BBC online news that British TV drama has
been slated for being 'too dark, too slow, too gritty or too
socio-political' to sell to a worldwide audience. The report by the
Department of Culture points to sunny upbeat Australian shows like Home and
Away as the kind of thing British TV companies ought to be making.
Rather kills off any last hopes of a fifth season of B7, dunnit?
Neil
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