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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 110
Today's Topics:
Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
Re: [B7L] worst openings
Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
[B7L] Re: Rookie fans
[B7L] Re: Trees
[B7L] Re: Vila song
[B7L] Re: Stardrive and Dawn (was re Assassin)
Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
Re: [B7L] Re: Trees
Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
[B7L] Intimacy etc.
Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL
Re: [B7L] Intimacy etc.
[B7L] Openings
Re: Re [B7L]: Pressure Point
Re: Re [B7L]: Pressure Point
[B7L] Kentish Express
Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans
Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL
Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL
Re: [B7L] worst openings
[B7L] Re: Paul Darrow
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:43:29 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
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Ellynne wrote:
>There were probably three main levels of Alpha society. There were
>Alphas who had privileges and important jobs but weren't actually part of
>the ruling class and didn't have contact with the corrupt elements. <snip>
>Then there was the ruling class. Some of them seem to have been born to
>important families who used connections, influence, and possible
>monopolies of important resources to maintain their positions. Others
>achieved it through the military or other routes allowing for the
>advancement of those without the family connections. <snip>
>Then there were those who had important positions and were aware of the
>corruption (and possibly involved in it directly) without being part of
>the ruling class. Avon seems to fall into this catagory.
The three different types are a useful classification, but I'm not sure they
should be regarded as 'levels' - that implies a rigid level of
stratification that probably wasn't the case. I'm more inclined to think
that whilst the Alphas (and all other grades) were substratified (Alpha-1,
Alpha-2 etc), the three types listed above could be found down through the
subgrades.
I'm not sure what you mean by Alphas being/not being the 'ruling class' - I
thought Alphas _were_ the ruling class. Or are you assuming that in the
Federation, legislative power is something you are born with? That's almost
monarchic. I'd be more inclined to think that politics was a career option
to which Alpas, especially high-ranking Alphas, had more access than others,
but it would not necessarily be their only option. Who's to say the
President has to be of the very highest subgrade? I suppose it depends on
how much class mobility you see possible within the Federation.
You mention a ruling class and the military, but no mention of the
business/corporate sector. States are founded on economies, and economies
on industrial activity (whether it's growing millet or selling windows).
The (admittedly very sketchy) evidence in the series itself suggests that
the Federation operated some type of free market economy. Perhaps this is
the 'other routes' by which individuals could advance themselves.
>
>My personal theory is that the Federation had various small groups, like
>the Clone Masters (who simply had a showier background accompaniment than
>most), who had monopolies on types of technology. This would explain how
>the Federation could be very advanced in some areas and quite backward in
>others.
Any complex economy is going to show this kind of differentiation. The Civil
Administration, for example, would be comprised of numerous bureaucratic
departments, all lobbying for their fair slice and a bit more of the pie. A
kind of bureaucratic Darwinism would inevitably favour some departments over
others. A President with a military background, for example, would probably
be good news for Space Command. This doesn't actually contradict what you're
saying, but I would expect something more complex than a disparate
scattering of 'small groups' - more a complex web of interrelated and
intercompetitive bodies where size and clout are not necessarily related.
>Blake grew up privileged but outside of most politics. He was also
>exposed at an early age to his rebel uncle.
Ushton's crime was never specified, but apparently not all that serious. A
criminal uncle, certainly, but not necessarily a politically criminal uncle.
Since Blake was an Alpha (the only member of the crew explicitly stated to
be Alpha, and only then by Vila), then in the Federation social structure I
envisage he was caught up in politics by default. A career in engineering
may have been his attempt to escape the whole messy business, but his
conscience wouldn't let him stay out.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:01:40 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
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Pat wrote:
>True, intoverts initially do well, even in a world of E's, for they can
>accurately execute the patterns of social civility. However, "we" are
>usually embarrassed at how quickly newly met people (extraverts) begin
>to spill forth the most intimate personal details of their lives!
>Introverts can feel embarassed by such an emotional outpouring of pain.
>(makes me want to flee)
I think Alison's half right when she points out that there are cultural
factors operating here as well. Some peoples (eg Brits, Germans) are
generally more restrained than others (eg Greeks and Italians). Not that I
think this is the whole story, since there are introverted Americans
(presumably also introverted Italians, though I've yet to meet one) and
extravert Brits. Introversion/extraversion is presumably relative. I see
the Federation as being very much a reserved society, like Britain, where
you have to know someone for about 400 years before you're allowed to speak
to them.
People (real people or fictional characters) are as much a product of
society as they are of their genes. Both are complex. To me it seems that
reducing an individual to a string of four letters is far too simple - it
tacitly omits or at least downgrades the value of the ideological element.
It says 'This is what you are' instead of 'This is why you are what you
are.'
>And visa versa, perhaps the extraverts feel that introverts, being
>politely restrained when it comes to spilling all those personal details
>to "strangers" - are being secretive, snobbish, selfish, etc.
I don't know if it's an introvert thing or not, but what I find annoying
about personal detail is the way 99 per cent of it is irrelevant. If I'm
showing my friend my latest work injury I'll just point to the scab and say
'Did this the other night,' whereas if she tells me anything that happened
to her I get where, when, what she was doing and why - all peripheral to the
pertinent details. Very timewasting. I think Avon would agree with me on
that, at least.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:16:23 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
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Pat Patera wrote:
> Flip the stats and imagine if introverts (not extraverts) made up 75%
> percent of the population. Then those "kiss and tell" extraverts would
> be considered the ones making the social gaffes.
Oh my goodness, it sounds heavenly!
> Your remark about "performing on stage" brings to mind some of the
> speakers in my Toastmasters club. I want to writhe in my chair when some
> new member (extraverted no doubt!) stands before the room to give their
> introductory speech and "tells all" about an unhappy childhood, terrible
> lifelong disease, unhappy love affair, etc.
Lots of actors and musicians are actually introverts. The
edge of the stage acts like a wall between you and the
audience; and even when you're actually mingling with
the audience, you wear your stage persona; you only take
it off at home, or with other entertainers; some never
take off the stage persona at all. For some reason the NT
hatred of lying doesn't seem to preclude this kind of
'whole cloth' approach to an alternate reality, in the case
of INTxs. Maybe we make ourselves believe it for a while.
> Introverts are often labeled "shy" when in fact, they are merely
> politely discreet.
Yes, except online :-) <giggle>
> Vila would make a far more
> popular president than Avon.
All of which could lead to the questions: Was Avon
removing the geeky nerd disguise to reveal the space
pirate underneath, or assuming the guise of space
pirate in order to accomplish a goal; and was Vila really
an outgoing, social extrovert or actually a quiet,
thoughtful, mastermind pretending to be a cowardly
drunken buffoon in order to maintain his privacy.
Perhaps we've completely misinterpreted *all* the
characters; has there ever been a fanfic in which *all*
the characters were actually *completely* different
from what they purport to be? That's one I'd love
to read!
Grins,
Mistral
--
"It's the psychology that's difficult."--Justin
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:36:15 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
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> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
> I find it a little sad that everyone enjoys reading the old 'worst
openings' but
> nobody seems to be contributing new ones.
>
> Come on, have a go.
Travis: Bran Foster never told you what happened to your father, did he?
Blake: He told me enough; he told me you killed him.
Travis: No... I am your father!
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Avon: It's eleven sectors to Star One; we've got full charge in the energy
banks, half a moon-disc of Shadow, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses.
Blake: Hit it!
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Morden: What do you want?
Avon: Well, now...
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Travis: What shall we do tonight, Supremem Commander?
Servalan: Same thing we do every night, Travis; try to take over the
universe.
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Is it just me or does anybody else wish they'd get Gareth and Paul on (in
character) Space Ghost Coast To Coast?
--
"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each
other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do
we?"
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:51:46 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
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On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:43:29 -0000 "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
writes:
>The three different types are a useful classification, but I'm not
>sure they
>should be regarded as 'levels' - that implies a rigid level of
>stratification that probably wasn't the case.
You're right. I should have said three divisions or types. If there was
substratification (and I agree with you that there probably was) it would
have cut across these types.
>I'm not sure what you mean by Alphas being/not being the 'ruling
>class' - I
>thought Alphas _were_ the ruling class. Or are you assuming that in
>the
>Federation, legislative power is something you are born with?
Another bad choice of words. The Alphas were definitly at the top of the
heap and probably the only group politicians and such were likely to come
from. However, I think only a minority of them were actually involved in
running the government and so on. Engineers, doctors, scientists, etc.
would have still been Alphas, but they would have had a much smaller
involvement in how the Federation was run.
I don't see them as a monarchy or oligarchy (in the sense of a small,
semiheriditary aristocracy) per se. Rather, I think they were like
various third world countries where many positions and jobs aren't
hereditary but where families and influential groups use their resources
to maintain an edge in them (examples: public education may be poor to
nonexistant, so families who can afford private schools for their
children win out. In some countries, good public schools are available to
those who test into them, but the tests are held during the harvest
season when few poor families can afford to have their children absent
from the fields. Getting a good job may also depend more on how much
influence you have than on your qualifications [so long as you meet the
minimum]). It's the difference between nepotism being a vice and being a
lifestyle. Rising through the ranks was still possible, it just wasn't
nearly as easy.
>You mention a ruling class and the military, but no mention of the
>business/corporate sector.
The problem is I'm not sure where the business/corporate sector ranked,
outside groups (such as the Clone Masters) who were the only source for
whatever they supplied and took full advantage of it. Some of them could
have had as much power as anyone. Or not. There have been numerous
cultures where merchants were actually fairly low on the culture
hierarchy scale.
>Any complex economy is going to show this kind of differentiation.
Yes, I should have explained that I think the Federation carries it to a
further extreme. For example, most businesses have their trade secrets.
However, during the Middle Ages, an Italian glass makers guild sent hired
assasins to track down and kill two members who teaching trade secrets to
foriegners. Compare this to our times when the U.S. governement recently
found some spies were getting their big secrets from government
publications in public libraries.
In our time, there's a tendency to see information sharing as being more
beneficial to all concerned than not. Efforts to slow down that process,
in most cases, is met with hostility. And, even in those cases where
keeping secrets is recognized as valid, hiring assasins is not an
approved way of dealing with leaks.
The Federation probably felt otherwise. One of the problems with their
society would have been the efforts of the privileged few to maintain
their privilege. Again, not exactly unique. The Federation was simply
well designed to help such people.
Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:18:05 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
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In message <004101be739b$d09e1a20$43478cd4@default>, Neil Faulkner
<N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>I'm not sure what you mean by Alphas being/not being the 'ruling class' - I
>thought Alphas _were_ the ruling class.
Bear in mind that there exist societies where there is a clear caste
structure, but not all members of the top caste are members of the
ruling group, and sometimes not all members of the ruling group are
mebers of the top caste. Whites ruled apartheid era South Africa, and
might be referred to as the ruling class in the same way one might call
the Alphas the ruling class - but the whites had their own sub-
divisions, and would have seen a particular sub-division as the ruling
class.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:52:20 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
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From: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>I don't know if it's an introvert thing or not, but what I find annoying
>about personal detail is the way 99 per cent of it is irrelevant. If I'm
>showing my friend my latest work injury I'll just point to the scab and
>say 'Did this the other night,' whereas if she tells me anything that
>happened to her I get where, when, what she was doing and why - all
>peripheral to the pertinent details. Very timewasting. I think Avon
>would agree with me on that, at least.
>
Yes but the where, when and how might actually be interesting, even
entertaining, whereas a scab is just a scab - pretty dull stuff. And if
you say 'Did this the other night' would you expect your friend to then
*ask* you where, when and how you did it?
I agree that Avon probably wouldn't be interested in a full detailed
account, but OTOH I don't think he would bother showing the scab
off in the first place. I really can't see him strolling on to the flight
deck, rolling up his sleeve and saying 'Look at this jolly, nasty cut...'
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:59:29 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Rookie fans
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Vick wrote: "The question I raise is based on the assumption that there
are a lot
of highly enthusiastic even obsessive young fans, late teens, early
twenties out there, who though they know their subject, know nothing
of the tacit agreements known by the long term fans. It's rather like
there is a rule book, but no-one has seen it."
This hits me as very elitist. I'd be more worried about the state of
fandom if there wasn't a new stock of "highly enthusiastic even
obsessive young fans" out there. They are the next generation that are
going to keep fandom alive. Sure, they'll make mistakes, upset the odd
actor, create a bad impression. They're young, that's what young people
do and that's what we all did once if we are honest enought to admit it.
Vick aded: "The rookies, however, have no such obligations. They are
free to
write fanzines, run clubs, websites and even conventions without
really knowing that their arrogance and nievity is damaging to fandom
in general and annoying to the subjects of the fandom. ie. the actors
who are tired of being asked the same questions over and over about a
job they did 20 years ago, then being misquoted."
Good. I want to see more new blood having a bash at writing fanzines and
running conventions and websites. Take Xena fandom, for example. The
first symposium last year was run by a group of enthusiastic fans who
had never done it before and it just oozed fun and let's have a go.
Other new Xena fans are running the By The Gods nights at Pages, and
they are excellent evenings and a welcome addition to fandom. As to
actors, they are probably tired about answering the same questions, but
they know it goes with the job and they know the person asking hasn't
heard the answer before, which means this is a new fan and there's
nothing an actor likes more than a new fan.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:23:14 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Trees
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Penny signed off:
> --Penny "Currently Soliciting Funds To Come Over To England And Track
Down
> Paul Darrow And Corner Him And Ask Him If He Were A Tree What Kind Of
Tree
> He Would Be" Dreadful
You really are mad, aren't you?
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:55:07 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Vila song
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Alison suggested, as a possible Vila song:
>'The bartender and the thief are lovers'
Well, that was the life I had planned for him PGP.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:55:09 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Stardrive and Dawn (was re Assassin)
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Neil wrote, a long time ago but I've been away:
>Atlan drops a hint that he is not, in fact, a Space Rat
>at all, but quite what he is instead goes unmentioned -
>a serious omission (unless it was cut from the original
>script). To me this echoed the stock reactionary idea
>that people like me at that time were supposedly being
>funded from Moscow, and it made me a little bit angry.
Oh - I thought he was a capitalist trying to get control of the shipping
lanes?
and
>because Cally looks so utterly human, then the Auronar
>must ultimately be of Earth origin (a conviction I know I'm
>not alone in sharing). To suggest otherwise is to fly in the
>face of everything we know about the evolution of species.
I just assumed it was a totally bogus myth the Auronar had made up about a
rather more recent power struggle.
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:47:11 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [B7L] Alpha society
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Ellynne wrote...
... an awful lot that I don't really disagree with at all, actually.
This is worrying - people on my wavelength. Or me on someone else's - even
more worrying...
Neil
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:59:15 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
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Julie wrote:
>Yes but the where, when and how might actually be interesting, even
>entertaining, whereas a scab is just a scab - pretty dull stuff. And if
>you say 'Did this the other night' would you expect your friend to then
>*ask* you where, when and how you did it?
It's different ways of communicating. From my POV, I'm offering her the
chance to forgo the subject if she's genuinely disinterested. And her full
accounts are, from her POV, setting the event in context, whereas to me they
suggest an arrogant assumption of the right to bore me to tears with
extraneous detail. We once spent an entire night discussing this, knowing
full well that neither of us was going to change our ways one squit.
>
>I agree that Avon probably wouldn't be interested in a full detailed
>account, but OTOH I don't think he would bother showing the scab
>off in the first place. I really can't see him strolling on to the flight
>deck, rolling up his sleeve and saying 'Look at this jolly, nasty cut...'
>
Neither can I, actually - I was using a personal example off the top of my
head. But he does seem to restrict his discourse to a pertinent minimum of
information. He'll say 'It's not my field' rather than 'Well, I could have
done Robotics 101 at the Technical Academy but there were so many other
course options, and besides the robotics tutor and I didn't get on because I
accidentally - and this was in my first semester, by the way, just after I
had secured my scholarship at blah blah blah ad nauseam.'
This is of course because Avon's like that, and has nothing to do with the
demands of TV drama and the fact that there are only 50 minutes to each
episode.
Neil
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:01:59 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Trees
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Steve wrote:
>Penny signed off:
>
>> --Penny "Currently Soliciting Funds To Come Over To England And Track
>Down
>> Paul Darrow And Corner Him And Ask Him If He Were A Tree What Kind Of
>Tree
>> He Would Be" Dreadful
>
>You really are mad, aren't you?
No she isn't, she's just an ordinary poodle building killer robots in the
cellar. Nothing wrong with that.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:22:15 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Neil wrote:
> This is of course because Avon's like that, and has nothing to do with the
> demands of TV drama and the fact that there are only 50 minutes to each
> episode.
<squeal of delight>
Oooooohh! See, Neil, you =can= play the game when you try!
<grin> <giggle> <snicker>
Mistral
--
"And for my next trick, I shall swallow my other foot."--Vila
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 99 03:26:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Intimacy etc.
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Just some miscellaneous comments--
Favorite B7 quote to use in real life, although you need a like-minded
friend to do it with:
"Avon [substitute appropriate name], this is stupid."
"When has that ever stopped us?"
Gail, as to what kind of cat Paul Darrow would be-- he's a dog man.
Dachshund. Charming pictures of the new puppy in the Avon club newsletter!
On emotional dumping-- I think it's not always a simple matter of E vs. I
types. Sometimes people will tell their intimate troubles to strangers or
near-strangers precisely because they don't dare, or are embarrassed, to
tell their close friends. And it's entirely possible for the same person to
be gushy on some occasions, and close-mouthed on others; or to be secretive
about some topics and not others (say, medical problems vs. sexual
activities, or vice versa).
Alison, I'd say the woman you encountered on the tube was just plain rude by
any standard. I can't imagine anyone behaving like that on the subway in
New York. If someone did, she'd be considered a bit of a nut, and people
would probably move pointedly away from her; she'd also be extremely
foolhardy, to pester strangers when one of them might just turn out to be a
Bernie Goetz with a gun and a short fuse.
The person you encountered may have been a Midwesterner who just wasn't used
to big city life in general. Or, more likely, one of those all too numerous
people (of various nationalities) who think that they can leave their
manners at home when they travel abroad.
Sarah T.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:56:35 +1000
From: "David Henderson" <David.Henderson@jcu.edu.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL
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>I also use Vila's quote so often ("I plan to live forever or die trying")
that
Guilty, I seem to use that one with alarming regularity...(maybe its the
remaining hair turning grey :)
>class was asked to describe themselves in ten or less words. I did my best
to
>paraphrase Servalan's wonderful speech-- "There are no others like me. I
am
>unique." <g>
Ohhhh! I gots ta remember that one!
>when my boss passed through Hong Kong vacation, she brought me a souvenir
gold
>charm of the Chinese character for "long life."
Lucky you. My boss just brings back more work.
David
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:26:21 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Intimacy etc.
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On Mon, 22 Mar 99 03:26:00 GMT s.thompson8@genie.com writes:
>Just some miscellaneous comments--
>Gail, as to what kind of cat Paul Darrow would be-- he's a dog man.
>Dachshund. Charming pictures of the new puppy in the Avon club
>newsletter!
Yes, but Avon would be a cat person.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:42:47 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Openings
Message-ID: <19981030.094249.9998.1.Rilliara@juno.com>
A dark shadow fell over Deanna Troi's
chocolate-fudge-brownie-extravaganza sundae. Waves of barely contained
fury came rolling off Commander Riker. She thought about telling him to
calm down so people could eat in peace but, after one look at his fury
reddened face, decided that would be a bad idea. Reluctantly pushing the
sundae away, she asked, "It didn't go well?"
"Simple psych exercise, you said. Use a standard space opera hologram to
help him socialize, you said. Piece of cake, you said.
"I put in the easiest program in the databanks. He had the most powerful
ship in the galaxy, a computer that could hack into anything--"
"Some people miss the objective the first time through." she temporized.
"Federation symbols on their sides, references to Atomic Wars, and he
can't figure out the objective is to go back in time and save our
Federation from becoming that one? It's obvious!"
"But he got all the easy stuff, didn't he? He overthrew the current
regime and started a new republic, didn't he?"
"No. In fact, he shot me. You got me to play his partner, his best
friend, the guy who's supposed to show him how to save the universe, and
he shot me. The next time Barkley wants to play Avon's 7, he can do it
without me."
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:50:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L]: Pressure Point
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On Sun 21 Mar, Neil Faulkner wrote:
> Soliciting a bit of market research here...
>
> As many of you will know, I'm putting together a zine called Pressure Point.
> So far I've got enough material for about two thirds of my intended size for
> the zine (about 40 pages), and I notice that virtually everything is for
> 1st/2nd Season. (The one exception is a Blake post-Star One, so Blake
> appears in +AF8-every+AF8- story).
>
> My question is this: do I try and get some 3rd/4th season stuff to balance
> things out+ADs- or do I concentrate on early series material and tout the zine
> as such (ie+ADs- not for Tarrant/Dayna/Soolin buffs)+ADs- or do people really not
> care so long as it's worth reading?
Concentrate on the early seasons <grin>. I like my Blake.
>
> My eternal gratitude to all those who have contributed so far. But I still
> need +AF8-more+AF8-, dammit...
If I only had the *time* <sigh>.
Judith
PS. I assume +AF8- is meant to be italics? The normal e-mail convention is to
use * to indicate italics as this avoids the problem.
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:41:48 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
<I notice that virtually everything is for 1st/2nd Season. (The one
exception is a Blake post-Star One, so Blake appears in +AF8-every+AF8-
story).>
Judith's advice.
<Concentrate on the early seasons <grin>. I like my Blake.>
As 2nd season is my favourite by a mile, how can I disagree?
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:47:43 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, Space City <space-city@world.std.com>,
Redemption <redemption@smof.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [B7L] Kentish Express
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I've now got hold of a copy of the Kentish Express with their Redemption
report in. They've done a picture spread covering one and three quarter
pages. The pix are:
1. Richard Allen and Matthew Fieldhouse dressed as Klingons
2. Jamie Inglis with Data's head
3. Brian Croucher with son Sean
4. David Walsh as Servalan
5. Fiona Scarlett making costumes
The text has the normal journalistic jokey puns and brief interviews
with Brian Croucher and David Walsh.
You can order copies of this issue by ringing 01622 717880. It costs
Pound1.23 including postage. It is the 4 March issue and specify you
want the Ashford edition.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
"Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell"
Star Wars
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:16:40 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rookie Fans
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On Sun, Mar 21, 1999 at 12:40:46AM -0500, NetSurfCK@aol.com wrote:
> Oh, dear! Avon would probably have thrown me off the ship for displaying such
> gross sensitivity. Or worse, he would have shot me!
Not at all. He would have just *looked* at you. Or made a cutting
remark so sharp that you wouldn't notice you were bleeding until your
fingers fell off - figuratively, of course. <grin>
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:02:21 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL
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On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 07:05:57AM -0800, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> Una and I have discovered that we both use the quote
> 'Some days are better than others, Section Leader'
Definitely.
> frequently IRL. Also, 'All knowledge is valuable' pops
> up a lot. Does anyone else use any particular B7 quotes
> on a regular basis IRL (with people who aren't B7 fen?)
"Regret is part of being alive - but make it a small part."
"The Himalayas are quite tall this time of year."
"Dignity, at all costs, dignity."
But not a lot. I'm more likely to say "Very nice weather we're having
for this time of year." or "I love it when a plan comes together."
Even though I like Blake's 7 more than Cinderella or the A-Team.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:40:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon & intimacy (was Tarrant / Assassin)
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On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>
> This is of course because Avon's like that, and has nothing to do with the
> demands of TV drama and the fact that there are only 50 minutes to each
> episode.
...so a few rambling extraverted outbursts would have come in pretty handy
in late 1st season.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:41:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quotes IRL
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I quoted
VILA: Avon, this is stupid!
AVON: When did that ever stop us?
at the top of the central chapter of my PhD thesis.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:58:32 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
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Opening of Aftermath, the Original Version
Jenna blinked back the tears filling her eyes, convincing herself it was
only the smoke that made her eyes water.
"Go," she said, grabbing the panel as another alien bolt struck the
Liberator.
" Go", she repeated. "I know, I've always known, that it was you he wanted,
not me. Just, just..get him to safety. And tell him...tell him goodbye for
me." The Liberator shook again, and the light on the Flight Deck dimmed.
Avon nodded wordlessly. He turned quickly, heading to Blake's quarters.
He'd have to hurry, to get the injured Rebel to a life-pod in time. But Jenna
would see to it that he had that time. And then, he and Blake would be
together, their fate in the hands of the whims of the galactic currents.
Together, in that tight little space...
He picked up his pace, the sweat breaking out on his face having nothing to
do with the Liberator's temputure.
I'll try to make the next one worse.
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:53:47 -0000
From: "Deborah Day" <d.day@ukgateway.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Paul Darrow
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I have just been reading an old Horizon newsletter, and saw that Paul Darrow
states that it is not his real name. Does anybody know what he really is
called?
D.Day@ukgateway.net
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