From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #96 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume98/96 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE [B7L] Deliverance [B7L] TELL ME ABOUT THE MELON!!! Re: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs! (fwd) Re: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs! RE: [B7L] TELL ME ABOUT THE MELON!!! Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE [B7L] con report from non B7 fan [B7L] costume for sale [B7L] Deliverance [B7L]: Time Line Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation Re: [B7L] Deliverance 98 - Con Report Part 1 - god this is long!!!!! Re: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs! (fwd) Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE deliverance Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE [B7L] Deliverance - a 1st timer's view [B7L] Deliverance photos [B7L] Re: Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation Re: [B7L] Re: Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE [B7L] Afterlife and PGP. Re: [B7L] Afterlife and PGP. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:16 EST From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Message-ID: <31d2e7a5.3520e46e@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-30 23:00:09 EST, you write: << >In a message dated 98-03-30 12:50:53 EST, you write: > ><< Just curious, does anyone know where I could obtain a copy of this book? > > Thanks >> > >Trust me when I say.... you don't want a copy of this book!!!!! > > >Gwynn why not? >> It wasn't very good. I won't spoil any of it for you, but Avon acts out of character for much of the book, and the continuation of the story is just boring and unimaginative. The fanfic I've read is far more interesting. JMHO. Gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:43:59 +0100 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com> To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Deliverance Message-ID: <F5717FE0AD18D1118F4200805FFECEB993C7D5@exips0002.itops.ldn.bzwint.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Con reports.... Thursday: Arrived at about 4pm, started chatting to some (con crew) friends who had also arrived by then, and then unloaded the computer stuff from the van. The rooms weren't immediately available, so I had to wait until about 6pm to get the room set up. In the meantime I set my own computer & printer up in Ops so they could print signs, look up stuff on the database, and work with the ops logs. I'd had to borrow some old machines for the computer room from someone, and then spent most of the evening until about 2am trying to build one with Windows 95 and get all the drivers going correctly. Next day, got up at about 8am and started working on the computers again. Went to PC world to buy some networking kit (cables and an 8 port hub - one day I'll use this stuff at home probably) so people would be able to play network games, as well as some internal cables for the PC's, which were missing. Spent the rest of the morning building the other 3 machines, which involved downloading yet more drivers, and finally had everything ready to go by about 3pm. Opened the computer room, and stayed there until someone took over from me, at which point I started doing rounds of the hotel taking some photos. It was at this point I got to talk to Jackie Pearce. We had about a five minute conversation in the corridor, talking about plays we'd recently seen. This was the only time I spoke to any of the guests. Spent the rest of the time in ops, working on getting the pictures to the web site, or just generally helping out in ops, apart from when the opening ceremony was on, when I was taking photos for the web site (although they didn't come out to well). Finally got to bed at about 2pm. Saturday, up at 8 again, and after a (tasty) breakfast in the hotel restaurant, got back onto the computer to put up a couple more photos. Hosted the 'Avon and Servalan' panel with Dave Walsh, and then back doing the rounds with the camera. Got some good shots at the photo shoot, including a nice one of Stephen Greif on his own (it was really hard to catch him whilst he was looking up). Back to the computer again for a short while, then opened the computer room at 2pm. Stayed there until about 4pm, when again someone took over from me. Back to the computer to finish off what I'd been doing earlier, then off to have a shower and change, before going to the main hall to get photos of the fancy dress (which ran late). Got some photos, then after spending some time looking for my partner (who wasn't really attending the con, but instead was seeing the sights in Stoke) so we could have dinner - we hadn't really seen each other (conscious, anyway) since the day before. Gave the camera to someone else to get photos of the guest cabaret, and returned just in time to hear about melons. After the guest cabaret, was supposed to be hosting another panel (Love & Lust on the Liberator) but it was decided to cancel this due to lack of interest as there were 4 people outside the door when it was supposed to start (10pm rather than 9pm - it had already been put back because of the Cabaret) and because the other person who was supposed to be hosting was unavailable. Apparently, a whole load of people turned up at about 10:30pm wondering why it had turned into a filk session (which is what was supposed to be in the room at that time). This was the only slash panel at the con - ah well, maybe next time. Tried to spend some time on the computer to put more photos on the website, but kept getting roped into ops stuff, so went to bed. Got up late the next morning, partially due to clocks going forward, and made it to breakfast at 9:45, 15 minutes before it ended - not so tasty today! Went and did all the stuff I was supposed to have done for the website the night before, which took some time, due to ops being particularly hectic. Had about 30 minutes to get a look at the art room, exhibition (poor Orac!) and dealer's room before having to go and pack up the computer room & load up the car - had to be away by 4pm to get back in time to drop the borrowed computer equipment off. Saw the last 5 minutes of the JP/SK/JC panel, as I had to collect a music keyboard from the main hall (that was me in the yellow shirt) after which I packed up the computer & printer from ops and left. Got home at about 9pm, back at work by 8:30am yesterday. I look forward to other con reports so I can actually find out what happened :-| I have over 100 digital photos of the con, taken by several people, which will all be on the post-convention site by Monday (hopefully). Video and audio clips will follow as soon as I can get the tapes from Diane. Peter. --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:54:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] TELL ME ABOUT THE MELON!!! Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.96.980331145341.2503H-100000@umm-pc.jims.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dreadful people!! Una ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:53:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk> To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs! (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.96.980331145303.2503G-100000@umm-pc.jims.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Forwarded from Rob. Una --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 Cambridge CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:46:51 +0100 (BST) From: Rob Clother <rob@amsta.leeds.ac.uk> To: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs! So, for the uninitiated among us, are there ways and means to get hold of such a DIY test? Incidentally, I did show up at Deliverance in the end, but work pressure meant that I could only go for half a day or so. Didn't really meet anyone, but went to quite a cool panel on "mythic heroes" -- reminded me of going to a job interview, despite being very good fun -- AND (I fully expect to get mailbombed by scores of furious blokes for this) went away with a photo of Jackie and me hugging each other!!! Well if you don't ask, you don't get. Cheers, Rob > Trying out a DIY MB test, I came up as an INFJ and it spookily describes > my personality. I repeated it this morning and came up with the same > result. > > This is extraordinarily galling. > > Una ;) > > > > PS I stand by my guns and claim that I see my personality in descriptions > of Capricorns as well ;) > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy > enough people to make it worth the effort. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 > Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 > Cambridge > CB2 1AG http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una > United Kingdom http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:10:42 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> To: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk> CC: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs! Message-ID: <35210773.176D@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una McCormack wrote: > > Trying out a DIY MB test, I came up as an INFJ and it spookily describes > my personality. I repeated it this morning and came up with the same > result. > > This is extraordinarily galling. > > Una ;) > > PS I stand by my guns and claim that I see my personality in descriptions > of Capricorns as well ;) Zodiac descriptions are usually based on traits people will see themselves in. I mean, who doesn't want to be described as "proud and creative" or whatever the particular one is? The Meyers-Briggs gives info that is rarer. As an INTJ, my behavior in a group project was described very well, though I don't look at _anything_ as chess, 'cause I'm bad at the game. My husband, as a healer, had his formative family environment described. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:01:08 +0100 From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com> To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: RE: [B7L] TELL ME ABOUT THE MELON!!! Message-ID: <F5717FE0AD18D1118F4200805FFECEB993C7D7@exips0002.itops.ldn.bzwint.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain During the caberet, JP told a joke along the lines of: Cinderella was going to the ball, and was told that if she did not return by midnight, her vagina would turn into a melon. So off she goes to the palace, which is stunningly beautiful, she meets the prince, they dance, and all thoughts of leaving are gone from her mind. The gong goes summoning the guests to dinner, and what should be serverd as the first course but melon! Cinderella instantly remembers that she must be home before midnight, and to ensure she will remember, repeats under her breath 'I must be home before midnight or my vagina will turn into a melon. In the meantime, the prince, seated opposite Cinderella, picks up his melon with his hands an voraciously starts eating it, licking the rind, and getting juice all over his face. Cinderella watches in amazement, and when the Prince puts his melon down and says 'What time do you need to be home?' she says 'Half past two!' The joke is a well known one with several variations, but JP's delivery, with all the actions, was something to behold - stunning! Peter. > ---------- > From: Una McCormack[SMTP:umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: 31 March 1998 15:54 > To: Lysator > Subject: [B7L] TELL ME ABOUT THE MELON!!! > > Dreadful people!! > > > Una ;) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy > enough people to make it worth the effort. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > The Judge Institute of Management Studies Tel: +44 (0)1223 766064 > Trumpington Street Fax: +44 (0)1223 339701 > Cambridge > CB2 1AG > http://www.sticklebrock.demon.co.uk/una > United Kingdom > http://www.jims.cam.ac.uk/research/ion/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > --MimeMultipartBoundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:16:25 +0100 From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> To: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Message-ID: <01bd5cb7$f8ae8780$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gwynn wrote: > why not? >> > >It wasn't very good. I won't spoil any of it for you, but Avon acts out of >character for much of the book, and the continuation of the story is just >boring and unimaginative. The fanfic I've read is far more interesting. >JMHO. He acts out of character for a very good reason. Which is explained in the story. I think some people don't like the book for one very good reason. And that is they don't like the reason for why Blake died. Tony Attwood covers this at the end of the book and I think upset many fans. Just my opinion of course. The continuation may have been not as exciting as it should have been, but it was logical. Particularly what happened at the end. Having said that I'm sure some of the fanfic is more interesting. I haven't had the priviledge of reading much of it. Do you know where I can get hold of some of the better fanfic? ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian "Temperatures of over 101 are NOT fun" Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:21:56 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net> To: "ShilLance" <ShilLance@aol.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Message-ID: <00b301bd5cc1$204554a0$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE >In a message dated 98-03-30 23:00:09 EST, you write: > ><< >In a message dated 98-03-30 12:50:53 EST, you write: > > > ><< Just curious, does anyone know where I could obtain a copy of this book? > > > > Thanks >> > > > >Trust me when I say.... you don't want a copy of this book!!!!! > > > > > >Gwynn > why not? >> > >It wasn't very good. I won't spoil any of it for you, but Avon acts out of >character for much of the book, and the continuation of the story is just >boring and unimaginative. The fanfic I've read is far more interesting. >JMHO. > >Gwynn I'd still very much like to get a copy. Against plenty of advice I did go ahead and buy a copy of the Sevenfold Crown and having only listened to it once (so far) did actually quite enjoy it (aside from the first 15 minutes). Any leads on obtaining a copy? Reuben reuben@reuben.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:09:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] con report from non B7 fan Message-ID: <Marcel-1.42-0331170940-ab5Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's a con report with a difference. Richard (my husband) decided to write up his own con report - Judith A Busy Few Days... The thoughts of a non fan at Deliverance. My wife is into fandom, and I sit at the side as a bemused bystander. I watch only a few TV programs and very little sci-fi (I have seen Star Wars and most of the Star Trek films) and have been instructed to watch one episode of B7 (Orac) but leave the rest to her. However, I quite like putting the web site together it is big enough and complex enough to interest me. At Who's 7 in 94 I dropped Judith at the door of the hotel and took the boys to my parents for the weekend. For Who's 7 in 96 I dropped Judith and Kelvin (and Kelvin's Vorlon costume which I had made the previous week) and about 5 or 6 boxes of zines at the Ashford Hotel and took Henry to my parents for the weekend (The Vorlon won - Yippee!). Sometime last year, Judith and both boys signed up for Deliverance. Zines had by then multiplied and occupied many parts of the house, and I realised that the only way she could get them to Deliverance was if I drove, so I volunteered to drive them all to Nottingham/ Gauda Prime/ Daventry/ Andromeda /Stoke on Trent. I also booked a trailer for the weekend. Judith books me into the con as "Dealers room only". At the beginning of the year I suggested we arranged for a large consignment of the zines she agents, to be sent over in time for the con rather than operate mail order. So we start collecting pre-orders. I then go to the US on business (a fairly frequent but unpredictable event). So the zines are mailed from Seattle (one of the better US cities) to LA (one of the others), I come back from LA with a two foot stack of zines in my luggage. A couple of weeks before the con, I am told Henry wants to be a Decima. What's a Decima? The only clue I have is some cartoons on the staircase. I get to watch a few minutes of Decimas, carefully making notes and asking for particular stills etc. Do some thinking and decide on roughly what to do. Get some glue (£3.50p), and go to a jumble sale and buy lots of green things and an old lampshade (total cost 50p). Start to construct decima from lampshade (head), egg boxes and cardboard (for spine), and green material. We get a visitation from the first two Aussies, who get volunteered into helping get 999 zines ready for printing. They also buy some of the US imports, which are now down to about 15 inches. They also take a couple of boxes of zines to the Neutral Zone for Judith. The Decima continues. The first two zines are back from the printers and Judith goes to the Neutral Zone. I am left with the boys and a half finished Decima. Half way through Sunday, I decide to do some tidying up of the offcuts, and think the offcuts look better than the real thing. The decimas have lots of frilly green bits, which I called lettuce after the cartoon on the stairs. I then think radically, give up on my carefully crafted individual bits of cloth, just chop up thousands of green bits, plaster the clothes with glue, sprinkle with lettuce, press on, wait and shake. All done, no stitching. To find a Decima follow the trail of green snow. Judith returns from Neutral Zone, with another Aussie. Packing, sorting, printing of flyers and song books, more sorting, more packing, the printing arrives and the bank account disappears into overdraft. More packing and more printing, and more flyers. We get to Friday; in the morning I work as normal, pick up the trailer at lunch time and come home. Load trailer with 18 boxes of zines, cases, costumes, junk, flyers, junk, bags, zines, more junk. Sit down for half an hour and wait for eldest son to return from School (The Decima's term finished at midday on Thursday). As soon as he is home we are off. The car's performance is definitely retarded. 8pm in Stoke, we arrive, unload boxes to dealers room, and junk to hotel rooms, Judith vanishes. Put Henry to bed, go to bar - no one I yet know there (OK I recognise some name badges from zine orders, but don't know). Chat to Peter Tuddenham's wife and someone else (don't know whom) and go to bed at a modest 11:30 (before eldest son). Saturday - up and breakfast, return to room wake boys, go to dealers room with Judith to setup, Henry appears and is sent off to have breakfast - don't see him again for many hours. Just finish setting up and people appear to buy - where is the price list? Where are the flyers for Judith's own zines? (We had lots for those we agent) Judith vanishes. Find one (only one!) price list and start selling - 300 pounds of zines in twenty minutes (Gasp), imports now down to 2 inches. Know the price of some zines without looking them up. Mid morning Judith appears for 39 seconds, I ask her to put some money in the safe. Kelvin appears about 10:30 - he has missed breakfast (He is not alone). Lunchtime, the last import is sold and Judith releaves me at 1 pm (at about 1:15) I collapse for forty minutes and then go back to the dealers table. Henry has found the games being played in the upstairs bar, and will be found there from now until the end of the con. Judith appears briefly for 23.7 seconds, and goes off to the fancy dress along with Henry. I continue selling zines (Where are the flyers for Judith's zines? though by now I know all the prices). The dealers room closes at 6pm (at 6:20), I close up and try to put the money in the safe. I have the key, and I want to put money in (not take it out), but I am not Judith and I am not allowed to without her signature... Eventually collapse in room for 15 minutes. Kelvin appears - starving. We go to eat in the restaurant, I adopt a horizontal queueing position. After the meal, find Henry has won the fancy dress. Yahoo! Boys disappear together, I collapse in bar chatting, The Decima is found and put to bed at 10:15. Wander through the reception area, stop briefly to chat with Harriet, get offered a drink by Jenni-Allison and stay until about 1:30, talking about web pages, hacking, networks, telephones, etc. with Calle, Pita, Jenni, Harriet, Crispin, Pat and several others, a mixed bunch, most of whom I only knew as names in Judith's address book and web addresses, but now had faces. At one point someone says "I wish all pages were as easy to use as Judith's" I chose that moment to say who I was... Sunday up and down to breakfast, later find Judith also having breakfast, in conversation she says did I know Harriet? Yes! She only went on Holiday with us on the canals last year! Go to the dealers room, sales are slow today as everyone is queuing for autographs, though sell some to the queue as reading matter. Try to sell Redemption membership as well, Redemption is only 11 months away and therefore sooner than getting to the head of the autograph queue. Lunchtime, time to get Kelvin on a train. He and Judith go away to sort out some of the auction stuff, and then pack his stuff. Judith reappears eventually and I go to find Kelvin. Where is he! In the next two minutes I search the room, the dealers room, the main hall, the room, both bars, all event rooms, the dealers again, the room again to find him pushing the dalek in the bar again. Scream blue murder and get him into the car along with his bags. Rush him down to the station, put him on a train and send him home so that he can get to school in the morning. Return to the dealers room, Judith is there dealing with a customer. I tell her the prices... The afternoon gets quieter as the closing ceremony starts, dealers start packing - I stay open. After half an hour or so Sally Knyvette appears Very VERY cross about people selling photos of her and gets a trader to tear up some photos in front of her, (I accidentally have my hand over the only photo on our stand) she then storms off down to the Horizon shop - I wonder what happened there? Eventually I am told the dealers room is shut. (This was about 5pm, the program said 8pm, and many others thought it was 6pm). Pack everything up. Just finished and somebody wants to buy a zine, unpack, sell a zine, repack. Get the zines back to the room, via a not working lift, go to bar, collapse. Start nattering, drinking, and join a multinational group going out for a meal. On the way there Vickie rescues several worms from being trodden on, by carefully picking them up from the path and putting them at the side. Conversations cover the operations of Australian customs and telephones, Australian worms, old computers, meeting other halves at universities, what an American thinks of a pseudo American restaurant, what English think of American "English Pubs", oh and some B7, then return rescuing more worms and a snail. Collapse in bar, and a decima appears - this is 11:15pm - I eventually get him to bed around 11:30! (his bedtime is officially 8:30). Continue in bar, watch Judith's hijack of Gareth to hear a filk. Natter, Natter, Natter. Finally giving up around 2am. Goodnight to Neil, Andrew, Steve, Vickies, Stephen, Robert & Ellie, Jenni, Harriet & Calle, and everybody else I forgot. Monday, get up have breakfast, pack, load the trailer with 7 boxes of zines, load the car with a decima and the Vorlon (not used at all for the entire con - Grrr). And eventually prise Judith away (difficult). Drive home, unpack, collapse for 20 seconds, phone rings, go and collect Kelvin from school, COLLAPSE. Well, I may not be into B7, but cons can be fun. Before hand I knew only about 6 people there (Harriet, Chris, Gareth and 3 Aussies), afterwards dozens. See you at Redemption. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:30:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] costume for sale Message-ID: <Marcel-1.42-0331093008-bc8Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII I was talking to Steve Roots at Deliverance, and he has an original Servalan costume for sale. It's the jacket and skirt from 'Pressure Point'. The outfit is original, though the collar on the jacket has been restored. He does not have the hat that Servalan wore with it. His price is 600 pounds (But he will consider offers a little below that) If interested, write to him at 1 Dawson Drive, Rainham, Esex, RM13 7ED, England, or phone 01708 554399 I saw the outfit at Who's 7. I think it may have been on display at Deliverance, but I had to go round the costume exhibition very quickly due to shortage of time and didn't notice it. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:48:25 GMT From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Deliverance Message-ID: <738A6E7B5B@sdk1.derby.ac.uk> Hi! Am I the 1st one back from the Con? Cylan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:02:20 GMT From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L]: Time Line Message-ID: <73C58475C3@sdk1.derby.ac.uk> > Graham, Gregory wrote: > > > > Perhaps the problem with this debate is Einstein's wonderful > > time-distortion. Perhaps the time experienced onboard liberator and > > london is only a few hours but the time taken is actually several > > months. Rather depends on how the FTL drives work in B7. and Pat P says: - > *Every* space show conveniently ignores the Theory of Relativity. Cuz no > one could ever go back to visit Earth, cuz it would be thousands of > years in the future. Orson Scott Card dealt with this fact splendidly in > his "Ender" trilogy. I read a good book on this theme by Robert Heinlein but I can't remember the name. In it they used twins to communicate telepathically between Earth and a space ship. As the ship gets faster and as time goes by, the Earth-bound twin is aging faster then the one on the ship. By the end of the book the ship twin has only been gone a few months of his life but the twin on earth is now an old man. Cylan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:24:44 EST From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Message-ID: <14559713.352134ed@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-31 10:30:28 EST, you write: << > why not? >> > >It wasn't very good. I won't spoil any of it for you, but Avon acts out of >character for much of the book, and the continuation of the story is just >boring and unimaginative. The fanfic I've read is far more interesting. >JMHO. He acts out of character for a very good reason. Which is explained in the story. I think some people don't like the book for one very good reason. And that is they don't like the reason for why Blake died. Tony Attwood covers this at the end of the book and I think upset many fans. Just my opinion of course. The continuation may have been not as exciting as it should have been, but it was logical. Particularly what happened at the end. Having said that I'm sure some of the fanfic is more interesting. I haven't had the priviledge of reading much of it. Do you know where I can get hold of some of the better fanfic? >> The end of the book was the big problem that I had with it. Totally unrealistic in light of what we've seen up to the end of the series. Gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:31:44 EST From: "Letitia A. Casebourn" <lacasebourn@stew-01.cea.purdue.edu> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se CC: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation Message-ID: <1C3D7B528C7@stew-01.cea.purdue.edu> RE: "Blake's Eight and a Half" Since my NET access is at work, imagine how difficult it was to explain my sudden burst of laughter and red face! tisha@purdue.edu (lurking quietly, until now) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:21:34 +0200 From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Deliverance 98 - Con Report Part 1 - god this is long!!!!! Message-ID: <3521423E.1183@gns.getronics.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jenni-Alison wrote: > snipp pppp ppp > Break for Lunch (girls gotta eat sometime) - finaly saw the Bloopers > reel, ROFL > snip! > Jenni AGAIN everybody seen the bloopers reel! I can live with the fact that you all going to torture me with your con reports but you shouldn't have mentioned the blooper reel!!!! Please someone release the bloopers on tape !!! (Sheelagh!) Jeroen PS: What I wouldn't give for sitting next to Peter and listen to his voice, Calle! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:02:32 -0600 From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs! (fwd) Message-Id: <199803312007.OAA00393@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rob Clother wrote: >So, for the uninitiated among us, are there ways and means to get hold of >such a DIY test? For anyone who didn't see it last time around: <http://keirsey.com/> has a couple of versions of Keirsey's M-B test. His Temperament Sorter test is also on numerous other locations around the web, but this one is the only authorized posting of it. Note that these are *not* the actual Myers-Briggs test (which is considerably longer and not readily available to the public), but are quick and reasonably accurate tests to determine your type. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:07:40 -0600 From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Message-Id: <199803312007.OAA00399@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ian Lay wrote: >I think some people don't like the book for one very good reason. And that >is they don't like the reason for why Blake died. Speaking personally, that has little or nothing to do with why I didn't like the book. >Do you know where I can get hold of some of the better fanfic? See Judith Proctor's website at <http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/>. It has quite an awe-inspiring index to B7 fanfic. - Lisa _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:41:06 +0100 From: "Amanda Robertson" <amanda-robertson@lineone.net> To: "blakes7" <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> Subject: deliverance Message-ID: <01bd5ce5$54695fa0$LocalHost@james-robertsonlineone.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008E_01BD5CED.B62DC7A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01BD5CED.B62DC7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I normally just lurk about reading these posting but I just wanted to = say how great Deliverance was, =20 The guests were great the very nice and very friendly this is the first = con other than a star trek con I have=20 =20 ever been to and was very surpassed how relaxed the guests were and = freely they mixed with the people=20 =20 And Travis will never seem the same again:-) =20 Amanda Robertson =20 PS was worth the all the seven hours it took to get there =20 ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01BD5CED.B62DC7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I normally just lurk about reading = these=20 posting but I just wanted to say how great Deliverance was,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The guests were great the very nice = and very=20 <FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial size=3D2>friendly </FONT>this is the = first con=20 other than a star trek con I have </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">ever been to and was very <FONT = color=3D#000000=20 face=3DArial size=3D2>surpassed </FONT>how relaxed the guests were and = freely they=20 mixed with the people </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">And Travis will never seem the same=20 again:-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Amanda Robertson</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">PS was worth the all the seven = hours it=20 took to get there</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New = Roman"> </FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01BD5CED.B62DC7A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:26:17 +0100 From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> To: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com>, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Message-ID: <01bd5ce3$4269bf40$f2dadec2@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gwynn wrote: >The end of the book was the big problem that I had with it. Totally >unrealistic in light of what we've seen up to the end of the series. > Unrealistic??!! Isn't most science fiction unrealistic? :-) Yes it did diverse from the series in many ways, but then again most of the time novels about a series normally do. BTW I know Tony Attwood did have another sequal planned, but as far as I know never got round to writing it. Does anyone if there is to be any more books written. ------------------------------------------------------------- Ian "Temperatures of over 101 are NOT fun" Lay /// :-) \\\ Watford Internet Football Club ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or wifc@wfc.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:52:51 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Deliverance - a 1st timer's view Message-Id: <199803312051.WAA23973@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Mon 30 Mar, Iain Coleman wrote: > > 11) My God, that guy can drink. > > <smile> don't forget to add 'without falling over or even acting particularly > drunk'. Gareth when he's had a lot to drink is more polite and courteous than > most people are when stone cold sober. > > Judith That is what is so amazing, I don't think I have ever seen a more heroic drinker (certainly a pint by the opening ceremomy at 10am and then about two an hour during the panels) but he never seemed to be the worse for wear. This was my first con and I enjoyed it very much. As a con-virgin my highlights were : 1) Stuart Fell's children's show - yes I was able to sneak into this as I had Rachel with me and there were only about 8 of us there so I got to be the magician's assistant. 2) Pub Quiz - because I plucked up the courage to get to know some othet first-timers but found the questions amazingly hard - incidentally our team got 48 - was that any good or what? 3) Blooper's Reel 4) Fancy Dress and Cabaret - well how could it not be THE highlight? Dave Walsh is a superstar, Rachel said she had never seen a man in such a pretty dress. And melon will never be the same again. 5) Women of B7 panel. I thought this the most entertaining panel of the weekend because I had not heard any of the stories before, whereas one tends to find after listening to the tapes etc., that many of the men's stopires are a tad familiar. Sally Knyvette, Jan Chappel and Jackie Pearce were very fresh and entertaining I thought. Incidentally, after the women's panel I was standing outside the Main Hall ( my turn to mind Rachel while Mike listened to the men) David Jackson and Peter Tuddenham were waiting to go on when the women came out with there arms around each other. After they were out of earshot, David commented that they reminded him of the three witches at the beginning of Macbeth. 6) The soft play area - bet most of you didn't even know it existed (next to the bar where the pub quiz was) but no I didn't make it into the ball pool. Lowlights : Nothing major except : 1) Being very naive I did not realize how long I would have to queue for autographs and in the end after two and a half hours I was one of the last three or four to make it. Though I did get an autograph from the Paul Darrow clone. 2) Mike lost the car keys and we had to search the hotel for an hour before we could leave - so if you saw anybody acting suspiciously on the bar floor on Sunday it would be me searching under all the tables. 3) My teleport bracelet (thanks for the last minute advice Kathryn) stained my arm black and I still haven't got it all off - I think the glue must have reacted with the foam rubber. Would I got to another? : Quite probably, but without a young child, you end up missing too much and you get woken at 6am after a heavy night on the booze. Thanks to everyone concerned. Julie Horner P.S. Great costumes Jenni - what happened to the soldering iron? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:05:17 +0000 From: Katharine Woods <kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com Subject: [B7L] Deliverance photos Message-ID: <35215A8D.3A1DB3D6@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen and I have got our Deliverance photos back which are mostly of list members and very few of guests. We want to put the photos on our web site but I wanted to ask if anyone doesn't want a photo of them to appear on the Web. If so, please email me to let me know and we will xxxx you out if it's a group one or not put it on there at all if it's a solo one. Katharine (Woods) AKA Kat W. kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk PS For anyone that remembers Stephen's Death/Dream Sandman T-shirt, Stephen says he's quite happy to liaise between you and the guy who did it if you want an airbrushed T-shirt done. Email Stephen at: steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk. If you want a quicker response from him, then email him at work: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk PPS Con report coming as soon as RL calms down again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:42:44 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Re: Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation Message-ID: <199803311743_MC2-3887-4444@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Iain said: >2) I was struck by a sensation of nameless dread >when I realised, some time on Sunday, that the >cabaret had probably been video recorded. If I were ever to buy the con video, it would be for the sole reason that Iain's performance with David Walsh would probably be on it... >5) Why wasn't Chris Boucher's workshop packed out? >He wrote half the damn show, but everybody just wants >to see the guys that recited his words. Cos I was still trying to get back from the cricket statisticians' AGM in Birmingham. >10) One generally creates some kind of rough >mental picture of people who one encounters >on the list. Needless to say, these were proved >entirely inaccurate (except Harriet Monkhouse >for some reason - probably just chance) You mean I got to sound more Scottish as the weekend passed? (Iain's first comment to me was that on his version of the list we all have Scottish accents.) Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:19:41 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> To: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> CC: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation Message-ID: <3521A43D.51D4@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet Monkhouse wrote: > > Iain said: > > >2) I was struck by a sensation of nameless dread > >when I realised, some time on Sunday, that the > >cabaret had probably been video recorded. > > If I were ever to buy the con video, it would be for the sole reason that > Iain's performance with David Walsh would probably be on it... And how can us Yankees purchase a copy? Heh, heh. > > >5) Why wasn't Chris Boucher's workshop packed out? > >He wrote half the damn show, but everybody just wants > >to see the guys that recited his words. > > Cos I was still trying to get back from the cricket statisticians' AGM in > Birmingham. And I wasn't there at all. But I love Chris's stories. A lot of us a writers, by hobby or profession. I wonder if the scheduling was poorly done? I've often found that the case at American cons... a would-be popular panel is practically killed by being put at lunchtime, and across from an even-more popular panel, and was originally printed as being at a different time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:40:57 EST From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE Message-ID: <53f420fd.3521b74b@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-31 15:44:00 EST, you write: << >The end of the book was the big problem that I had with it. Totally >unrealistic in light of what we've seen up to the end of the series. > << Unrealistic??!! Isn't most science fiction unrealistic? :-)>> Sure, but even scifi series have to play by their own rules, lest the illusion be broken........ << Yes it did diverse from the series in many ways, but then again most of the time novels about a series normally do. >> But after life was just plain ridiculous in its "diversion" from the series. After a while, i didin't even feel I was reading about Avon anymore. Gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 14:01:00 +1000 From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Afterlife and PGP. Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401140100.006af6e4@rabbit> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suppose I've got this on the brain now, but... You wonder if it'd be an idea for BBC Books to do a series of PGP novels, all happening immediately after Blake, but each giving a different possible continuation. That way they wouldn't even get the problem the Dr Who New Adventures sometimes do of having to read the previous books to know where you're starting from... -------------------------------------------------------- The Loch Mess Monster (occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:33:41 -0800 From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> To: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au> CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Afterlife and PGP. Message-ID: <3521C3A5.4E25@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Billingsley wrote: > > I suppose I've got this on the brain now, but... > > You wonder if it'd be an idea for BBC Books to do a series of PGP novels, > all happening immediately after Blake, but each giving a different possible > continuation. > > That way they wouldn't even get the problem the Dr Who New Adventures > sometimes do of having to read the previous books to know where you're > starting from... > And no upset feelings over whether its "right", because they are all possibilities. I love the idea. And you could have a sort of forward that not only gives the reader an idea of the series, but also, the notion of divirging universes, to explain why it's being done that way. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #96 *************************************