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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 95
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Re: Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
[B7L] Deliverance..home at last!
Re: [B7L] Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
[B7L] Deliverance
[B7L] speeds and time scales (a bit more)
[B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
[B7L] Re Deliverance
Re: [B7L] PGP Avon as villain
[B7L] Deliverance PS
Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE
Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE
Re: [B7L] Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
[B7L] re: All Gone?
[B7L] re: All Gone?
Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
[B7L] Deliverance
Re: [B7L] a loud and empty room
Re: [B7L] speeds and time scales (a bit more)
[B7L] Deliverance 98 - Con Report Part 1 - god this is long!!!!!
[B7L] Re: speeds and time scales (a bit more)
Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
Re: [B7L] a loud and empty room
[B7L] Deliverance
Re: [B7L] Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
Re: [B7L] Re: speeds and time scales (a bit more)
[B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs!
Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:32:00 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
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At 22:23 29/03/98 +0100, Ian wrote:
>If Standard by 1 equals TD4 then STD 2 would equal TD5, yes? So why does
>STD 7 equal TD 11. Shouldn't it be TD 10? Or am I not thinking straight?
If Time Distort is a multiple of Standard, then Standard by 1 equals TD4,
STD 2 equals TD8, STD 3 equals TD12 and so on... STD 7 would be TD28. The
Programme Guide has got it completely wrong by *adding* 4 instead of
multiplying, with no mathematical sense whatsoever! With errors like that,
I wouldn't use the Guide as an authority on anything much. :-)
Tim Richards
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:55:13 +0000
From: "Wendy Duffield <Wendy@eurobell.co.uk>" <wendy@eurobell.co.uk>
To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance..home at last!
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Con report to follow later today or tommorow,
I did at least this time manage to write notes as i was going in a
vague attempt to try and remember things!
The fun stareted on Friday with Gareth getting stuck in the lift and
ended today with me joining Gareth's lift as he was leaving the
hotel, he looked exhauseted but said he had a wonderful weekend.
I'm suprised he was still risking the lifts !
Hope everyone else had as good a weekend as i did, for those of you
that didn't attend you missed something special but hopefully
everyones con reports will try and make up for it.
Also if my photo's come out i should have some good ones of all the
guests
Byee for now
Wendy
**********************************************************
'Above all , watch with glittering eyes the whole world
around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden
in the most unlikely places.
Those who don't believe in magic will never find it
-Roald Dahl
***************************************************
Wendy@eurobell.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:06:07 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
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Just back from Deliverance.. but that's another story.
Interesting discussion going on in the meantime..
Jeroen:
> >The thing that struck has struck me as odd ever since this debate
started
> >was how on earth Zen calculated what 'standard' was. I mean... a car
> >doesn't have a standard speed, does it? Except that dictated by the
road
> >rules, and I don't recall seeing the speed signs up in the inner or
outer
> >galaxies anywhere. I suppose it might be 'optimum cruising speed',
where
> >you get best speed for least output.
> >
> >Well, there you go, I've just answered my own question. I'll go quietly
> >now, officer...
Hmm I seem to remember that Slartibartfast's car in the Hitchiker series
had a computer which worked out the best speed to go at any time,
considering the conditions, circumstances and urgency of the journey - and
then went at twenty times that speed. So the actual speed of the car varied
at any given time, but was always much, much too fast.
Hmm.. reminds me of my brother going down the M40
Alison
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:50:03 +0100
From: "Borg, Peter: IEG" <peter.borg@barclayscapital.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance
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Well, Deliverance for me was very tiring, and I wish I'd seen more of it
than I did.
I did get lots of digital photos, however, over 100 at least, and these will
be on the
net somewhere within the next week or so. More would have been on the
Deliverance
site had I had the chance to do as much as I had intended, along with some
audio
and video. However, due to con policies the only audio/video at the con was
in a format
I couldn't use.
Ho hum.
Later,
Peter.
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:12:01 +0100
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] speeds and time scales (a bit more)
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Tim wrote:
>If Time Distort is a multiple of Standard, then Standard by 1 equals TD4,
>STD 2 equals TD8, STD 3 equals TD12 and so on... STD 7 would be TD28. The
>Programme Guide has got it completely wrong by *adding* 4 instead of
>multiplying, with no mathematical sense whatsoever! With errors like that,
>I wouldn't use the Guide as an authority on anything much. :-)
I agree it isn't very reliable. The whole problem is with speed in the
programme is that there is no true answer.
Og BTW some people were asking about the length of time between The Way Back
and Blake. The book "Afterlife" does make reference to time scales. Early
in the book there is this passage:
"Vila did not miss the irony of the situation. How many times in the past
five years had he been in this sort of position, acting as look out on one
of Avon's schemes withouteven knowing what the scheme was - or even where
Avon was going? Did nothing ever change in this Galaxy?"
Also later.....
" 'Quiet,' said Avon still looking at his wrist. On it was a teleport
bracelet from the ship Avon and Blake had flown together - the Liberator.
It was useless since the ship had been destroyed two years previously
through the recklessness of one of Avon's attempts to find Blake"
These two quotes come from the time Avon and Vila are down on Gauda Prime
about 5 months after the shootout. Obviously these can't be taken as
gospel, but fits roughly into the timescale people were thinking about.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Ian "Temperatures of over 101 are NOT fun" Lay
///
:-)
\\\
Watford Internet Football Club
ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
wifc@wfc.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:17:41 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
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Well, I'm knackered.
This isn't a proper con report, just a wee thank-you note to the folks on
the list who encouraged me to attend all three days. My first con was
exhausting, but a lot of fun.
A few moments stick in my mind:
1) Despite spending the first quarter-century of my life in Scotland, and
having several dedicated pissheads as close friends, I have never seen
anyone drink as much as Gareth Thomas.
2) I was struck by a sensation of nameless dread when I realised, some
time on Sunday, that the cabaret had probably been video recorded.
3) I got to act with Gareth Thomas! Hah! (OK, it was only for a few
seconds, but I don't care.)
4) Speaking of Gareth, I bumped into him a few times in the Gents, but I
never did manage to verify the rumours about "Blake's Eight and a Half".
5) Why wasn't Chris Boucher's workshop packed out? He wrote half the damn
show, but everybody just wants to see the guys that recited his words.
6) Jaqueline Pierce flashed me That Smile! (Yes, of course she passed by
the other 749 fans with much the same smile, but I'm going to ignore such
mundane realities. I've got my fingers in my ears and I can't hear you,
naah naah naah.)
7) Isn't melon lovely?
8) "That, darling, is cannabis resin." Priceless.
9) Does Stephen Greif have a creature in his basement that suffers ageing
on his behalf?
10) One generally creates some kind of rough mental picture of people who
one encounters on the list. Needless to say, these were proved entirely
inaccurate (except Harriet Monkhouse for some reason - probably just
chance), but it was nice to meet you all anyway.
11) My God, that guy can drink.
cheers
Iain
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:22:20 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] Re Deliverance
Message-Id: <398402830MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Harriet wrote: "Just back from Deliverance.."
Humph! you beat me, and by a few hours. I'm too tired to do a
full con report yet, just like to say it was really nice seeing what
a lot of you really looked like.
Harriet said: "Other highlights: Jackie Pearce's Cinderella story"
Eating melon will never be the same again.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"The workers united will never be ignited"
Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:36:22 EST
From: DCsquared <DCsquared@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: avona@jps.net, whb@bha.oz.au
Subject: Re: [B7L] PGP Avon as villain
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In a message dated 98-03-25 21:21:32 EST, you write:
<< >
> But on a more serious note, what do you do with these pieces of fanfic?
> Should I post it here as I write it/ in one big lump at the end/ email it
> to someone with a fanfic site/ etc. ?
No posting in pieces-- I would enjoy seeing it on this list, but a large
email could slow loading a lot... would other people be willing to deal
with that (I would) as opposed to learning yet another site to check for
fiction? Whichever way, I know there was a mail on this list a while ago
asking for novice fanfic, so you can be sure of a place where it will be
welcome (well, I'm not sure what the host of the site will think of the
moose) ;)
>>
The host of the novice fanfic site (me) welcomes all comers, both serious and
silly. The site is now in a browsable condition, though (as always) it is
not finished. Send me anything you like - it will not be much of a site
without contributors/participants. I will shortly post the first writing
contest, and I am fiddling around with several ideas. Something humorous I
think, like the worst opening lines that were going here on the list, but not.
Perhaps the worst handle descriptors, since that has been discussed a lot
lately. Or maybe the most overused descriptions of Avon's eyes. Later, I
suspect I'll ask for the description of Avon most likely to provoke drooling
in the audience (without using anything but G rated language.) So put your
thinking caps on, and start dropping by the site. Forgive any unfinished
business, but I'd love to have any suggestions you have before it's too
finished to reorganize without major effort.
http://members.aol.com/DCsquared/mainframe.html
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:02:01 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Cc: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance PS
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I said:
>Other highlights
...
Sorry, sorry, I always remember evenings better than mornings! Of course,
the most important thing to say was that in the raffle I won breakfast with
David Jackson (on which occasion I was also sitting near Stephen Greif and
David Maloney).
Mostly they told me a lot about music hall and repertory theatre.
Mr Jackson is a charming man of excellent taste who prefers brown bread to
white, and was very sympathetic when I was unable to get any fried
mushrooms that day. I think he was getting a bit bored of talking about
Gan, so I reluctantly abandoned pressing him.
I'd been in Birmingham much of Saturday so missed the panel in which he did
talk about Gan, but I have a vague notion from others who got there that,
pre-limiter, Gan was a Zen Buddhist farmer with a wife and two children,
and post-limiter he got on very well with Vila. Mr Jackson later mentioned
(in another panel) that he thought the limiter was a disaster which
prevented any interesting development of the character. Breakdown was
originally supposed to show Gan splitting into two distinct personalities
which would fight each other for control of his body, but this potentially
intriguing plotline was scrapped because it was too complicated.
Will stop this double posting to Space City and lee-SAH-tor soon.
Harriet
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Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:37:24 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
Message-ID: <usd8f4t6zv.fsf@sandra.lysator.liu.se>
Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk> writes:
> 7) Isn't melon lovely?
>
> 8) "That, darling, is cannabis resin." Priceless.
That woman is...extraordinary.
And I got to hear Orac complain about food! I bet none of you out
there have ever done that!
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
"I think quotes are very dangerous things." -- KaTe Bush
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:54:32 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE
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Just curious, does anyone know where I could obtain a copy of this book?
Thanks
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:03:00 EST
From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE
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In a message dated 98-03-30 12:50:53 EST, you write:
<< Just curious, does anyone know where I could obtain a copy of this book?
Thanks >>
Trust me when I say.... you don't want a copy of this book!!!!!
Gwynn
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:41:20 +0200
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
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Thanx Ian !!!
Now that you confused everyone we can start again!!!! :)
Jeroen
PS: If we wait a year we can discuss this topic again!
Ian Lay wrote:
>
> Narrelle wrote:
>
> >Jeroen said:
[snip a zillion lines]
That's what makes it interesting to
> debate.
>
> Take care,
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Ian "Temperatures of over 101 are NOT fun" Lay
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:53:55 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: All Gone?
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>
> Best wishes and have a lot of FUN without me!
> [echo] Me.
>
> ***PITIFUL SOBBING****
> [echo]***OBBING***
>
> Okay, okay, so I was just trying to be creative and to liven this place up
> a little. Was that wrong? Dumb approach, I know, when there is
> absolutely nobody here and there is no hope that anyone will even get this
> message anyway.
>
> --Grace
> "Kerr Avon Is Phat!"
Hello-ho? HEY!! HALLO! (tapping monitor screen to attract some
attention)
Convention`s all finished now, everybody should be logging back on in
the next few days. I got home a few hours ago, and had to take
offspring no. 3 straight to doctor`s, she`s been suffering from
tonsilitus all weekend. Don`t ever go sick in Stoke, the Doctors there
DO NOT want to know, the chemist was extremely helpful tho.
I cannot give a proper report of the convention as I spent most of it in
the dealers room (meeting people and putting names to faces - HI!). I`ve
never "done" a convention from the dealers room before. I did queue up
a few times for autographs, but the sessions finished before I managed
to get any except David Jackson`s in the bar just before the guests got
taken away for yet another photograph session. All guests looked
remarkably well (except for Peter Tuddenham who looked VERY frail I
thought), and very recognizable.
Brian Croucher did not turn up - he was involved in a car accident on
the way to the convention. He was not hurt, thank God!
Bye for now
I`m absolutely knackered (having spent a restless night with a poorly
nipper) I`m off for a good night`s sleep - if I can remember what sleep
is!!
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:55:46 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: All Gone?
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Lisa Darby wrote:
>
> At 05:57 AM 27/03/98 +0100, you wrote:
> >"G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu> writes:
> >
> >> there is absolutely nobody here
> >
> >I'm here -- for another hour and a half ;-)
> >--
> > Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
> > http://sf.www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
> >
> >That's right, rub it in. If I knew how to draw an emoticon with tears, this
> page would be covered in them. I want to go to the con too.Waaaaah! The
> question is what can we deprived folk left behind do to make the con goers
> jealous? We all know that Paul Darrow isn't going to the con, I wonder how
> they'd feel if he just happened to drop in and visit the con-less few. We
> leave it up to them to work out whether he did actually visit or not.
>
No he didn`t, cos some con attendees deserted the fun and disappeared
down to Hackney to watch the play (huge sulk as I would have gone if I`d
known!) There are bright red T-Shirts being sold at the theatres
stating "I`ve seen the Dragons of Ank Morpork" and I WANT ONE!!!!! They
were not available at Blackpool.
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:09:30 +0200
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>
> Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > 7) Isn't melon lovely?
> >
> > 8) "That, darling, is cannabis resin." Priceless.
>
> That woman is...extraordinary.
>
> And I got to hear Orac complain about food! I bet none of you out
> there have ever done that!
> --
HEEEE!!!!
What about this melon????? something to do with Jackie?
And what about Orac????? Peter?
It's not fair, we TBDNWSWMTC want to know.
Jeroen
PS: TBDNWSWMTC = Teleport Bracelet Did Not Work So We Missed The Con
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:25:47 +0000
From: Katharine Woods <kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance
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I did it! I did it! I went to a con and this time, I talked to people
and made loads of brilliant new friends and hugged more people of
different nationalities than I have ever done in my life.
Like the rest, I'm extremely knackered and will do a more detailed
report later. Put 3 films in to be developed this afternoon - darn it,
this means I'm going to have to do something with my web page.
The photo of us list people on the Liberator set had just better come
out well.
(Squick alert) Perhaps we should all be grateful that the melon wasn't
served with raspberry coulis.
Stephen Greif is utterly gorgeous (Vickie - I'm not sure I shall let you
have him when I'm done; you'll have to remain content with Michael in
ivory boxer shorts).
And as for those happy few who are returning to Newcastle with an
invitation to Paul's dressing room. Sniff. Reluctantly, I've got to
return to RL.
Katharine (Woods)
AKA Kat W.
kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:46:18 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] a loud and empty room
Message-ID: <CTjgVIA6h+H1EwUO@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <3.0.1.32.19980327153447.006a8d18@rabbit>, Bill Billingsley
<whb@bha.oz.au> writes
<snip tantrum>
>I am not
>
>going
>
>to
>
>go green with envy
>
>QUIETLY!!!
>
Last weekend - Neutral Zone
Just got back from - Deliverance
This Thursday - Guards, Guards
Is there a smiley for sticking one's tongue out in a "yah boo sucks"
manner" :-)
Sorry, shouldn't tease - I know what it's like, having now twice missed
out on the opportunity to go to Worldcon when it was within travellable
distance :-(
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:21:38 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] speeds and time scales (a bit more)
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>Tim wrote:
>
>
>>If Time Distort is a multiple of Standard, then Standard by 1 equals TD4,
>>STD 2 equals TD8, STD 3 equals TD12 and so on... STD 7 would be TD28. The
>>Programme Guide has got it completely wrong by *adding* 4 instead of
>>multiplying, with no mathematical sense whatsoever! With errors like that,
>>I wouldn't use the Guide as an authority on anything much. :-)
>
>
I wonder why everyone's assuming that a time distortion is a linear
relationship with speed?
If you assume it's a higher order function, then there's no problem (you
just bend the curve to fit the points!)
--------------------------------------------------------
The Loch Mess Monster
(occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:07:18 +0100
From: "Jenni-Alison" <jenni-alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Space City" <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance 98 - Con Report Part 1 - god this is long!!!!!
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I promised myself I wouldn't do one of these, as I'll only babble,
but it's irresitible - perhaps mine will be the first to hit the
lists....
Don't even bother to read this unless you deal well with rambling,
and have infinite patience.
Friday 29th March
3am: Stich and sew, stich and sew
Hand sewing costume and swearing copiously, as sewing machine broke
at 8pm on Thursday half way through a costume - curses! Can't leave
it, just keep trucking - I should be leaving at 8am but that's just
not going to happen! Bed a 4am - getting into practise for Con!
10am: Wake up sleepyhead
Woken up - aaaargh overslept. Run around packing, trying not to
stress myself out - fail miserable. Check costume fits my other half
(Colin) - Adjustment needed - damn, damn. Sew some more, and decide
to pack the cotton.
1pm Late, Late for a very important date
Oh god, I meant to be there by now! Oh well, setting off en route in
the car, should only take 3 hours.
2.30pm: The Road to Hell
Traffic jams everywhere - at one point it is stationary. Give up
worrying about arriving anytime before dealer room closes - this
relives stress somewhat. Listen to Sevenfold Crown to pass time -
yell at tape occasionally.
5pm: Lost in Stoke
Directions from Horizon dismally bad - tried to use their helpfull
tip from M1 - the junction they refer you to is closed! End up
getting the hotel to talk me in on the mobile (thank god for mobile
phones) Colin has to change gear for me while we're doing this
(naughty, naughty!) Arrive about 6pm
Yippeee Con time!
Change into Silver Alpha top, attach Horizon badge, open up my con
information pack, scratch head in confusion and go for the bar. Hotel
is just so like Leisure Suit Larry 6 - seriously consider looking for
clues and directions in bins and under cushions. Get totally lost,
but find exit, so head out to finish loading car, and find familiar
faces (Hi Robert, Hi Ellie). Go with them to supermarket to stock up
on food/drink for the party (Buy everything in sight - never had a
trolley so full in my life!). Down to the bar and meet up with some
of the peeps from Space City - pass around my room number to all
comers, set up the food and drink in the room then trot on up for the
9pm first timers meeting. I am loud (what's new) then we head back to
the bar for my first 'event' of the con - the pub quiz .
The Pub Quiz - *really* hard.
Anyone else out there able to name the crew of the Ortega, and who
dies in what order? or remember the location of Star One (I think I
got the last 3 digits right..) 25 questions on non B7 sci-fi, so I'm
right out of it. Dave Walsh, Servalan impersonator extraordinaire (in
the fabulous white off the shoulder number with chiffon thingy on one
shoulder) takes over the questions in the quiz. Insulted at least 2
members of our SC lot, including asking poor Ross why he dyed his
roots black (Ross is blond, without any black roots - I reckon Dave
was jealous!) 2 Space City teams, and Neil's lot anhialated the
competition. Well done, guys!
Space City Slash Room Party time, about 11.30 ish.
We got about 25 people in that room and the windows wouldn't open!
Bath full of cold water, to chill the alcohol, and it doubled as a
great heat sink if you wanted to sit with your hand in it. Opened the
door, and spilled out into the corridor, but got a complaint about
noise (from the end of the hall, too!) so squeezed back into the
sauna/room. Lots of great fun looking at Val Westalls naughtier
pictures, and some seriously strong male bondage photos from the
States - mixed reactions from the guys, including a lot of laughter.
Colin passed out during the party (about 2am) but none of us noticed!
broke up about 3.30 - I managed to tidy and clear away everything in
about 45minutes, then woke Colin. His first words were "What
happened? Where did all the people go?" Apparently this ranks as one
of the strangest experiences of his life! Unbelievable amount of food
and drink left...
Saturday
Overslept (9.30am) (damn, missed stick the Stud on Avon) so I didn't
get downstairs until 9.57 (dressed in my homemade "Jenna's blue
dress" outfit - got some very nice compliments on it) - a choice,
breakfast or the opening ceremony? No contest! Opening ceremony was a
few clips from B7, then each of the guests came on and said a few
words. Gareth was last on, and carried a pint! I would tell you all
what they all said, but I'm afraid I wasn't taking notes. News about
Brian Croucher - minor car accident has left him shaken, so he's
staying at home - poor Brian. Next panel was to have been Travis 1 &
2, but is changed to
The Federation - Jaqueline Pierce and Steven Greif.
Steven looks incredible - dress him up in the old uniform and the
only difference would be the lack of paunch (which he was careful to
demonstrate in a later panel). Jaqueline is already on a high, and
in full flow. Anecdote about her arrest at an airport for possision
of Canabis - "that, Darling, is Canabis Resin". Who else would ask
the officer who bought her coffee in her cell for a joint? A favorite
episode for Jaqueline was Sand, because she got to have fun with
Steven Pacey, who is seriously pretty (her words, not mine!). Steven
Greif and Jaqueline make a great pair - panel is wonderful.
Break for Lunch (girls gotta eat sometime) - finaly saw the Bloopers
reel, ROFL
The Liberator Crew - panel with Gareth, David Jackson, and Peter
Tuddenham.
Gareth is in fine fettle, and takes the mickey out of everything he
can. David is very earnest, and tells us how the limiter restricted
Gan's role to such an extent that he was unable to develop the
character at all. The result of any attempt by Gan to take aggressive
action (according to David) would result in an epileptic fit. David's
view is that the Gan character was superfluous, since all the
physical feats he perfomed could have been done by lazer cutters etc.
Peter seems frail, but in good spirits, and does enjoy give us
tasters of Orac lines. David Jackson seems to be a serious Sci-Fi
literature fan, and also doesn't seem to remember all that much about
the individual episodes.
The Sevenfold Crown - Brian Lighthill sits up on the stage and
prepares to get slaughtered!
In fact, he'd already been through one panel on this subject already,
and seems well aware of what went wrong. Seems very keen to change it
for the next B7 radio play (Yes! he has budget for another one!).
Suggestions such as using 1st/2nd season setting, using a script
editor for continuity and dialogue, and making the script more
computer/science based and less fantastic/mythic are well takes. I
think he's going to do a much better job second time round. I thanked
him for making a B7 radio play possible, regardless of the bobbles
that came alone - well, it was great to hear B7 live again! He seemed
pleased about that.
5pm panel is whoever is available - that is David Jackson, Peter
Tuddenham, Chris Boucher, and David Maloney. David seems to
monopolise this panel rather heavily, and while amusing, takes some
time to tell fairly simple jokes. Not the best panel of the day.
Hang out in the bar until it's obvious fancy dress will be late
starting - head to supermarket for emergency supplies (toothpaste),
back just as they open the doors to the main hall. Fancy dress
standards were great, Kathryn and Judith Proctor did two great
sketches. A young Procter Decima runs around stabbing people with his
spear, David Walsh does a "Big Spender" dance routine - puts his
feather boa around Gareth Thomas' neck causing much hilarity. David
seems to like Long haired men, and gets two of our list compatriots
to dance with him - Iain Coleman appeared to be having entirely too
much fun dancing with David for my peace of mind.....The Clone
masters have superb costumes, with excellent make-up - Colin (my SO)
wants them to win, because of the loving glance of the Camera on the
cleavage of the leading clone master. They do win. David Walsh wins
best Servalan (could anyone compete?) and our little Decima gets the
best young entry prize.
End of Part one (because I need more sleep zzzzzzzzz)
Still to come....The Guest Cabaret (including Jaqueline and the
Melon) Corkage and eviction in the hotel lobby, the men of B7, the
women of B7, Sex, Drugs and Rock 'n' Roll.
Jenni
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:32:54 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: speeds and time scales (a bit more)
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At 15:12 30/03/98 +0100, you wrote:
I wrote:
>>If Time Distort is a multiple of Standard, then Standard by 1 equals TD4,
>>STD 2 equals TD8, STD 3 equals TD12 and so on... STD 7 would be TD28. The
>>Programme Guide has got it completely wrong by *adding* 4 instead of
>>multiplying, with no mathematical sense whatsoever! With errors like that,
>>I wouldn't use the Guide as an authority on anything much. :-)
Then Ian wrote:
>I agree it isn't very reliable. The whole problem is with speed in the
>programme is that there is no true answer.
I certainly agree on the unreliability of whatever source material we have.
I was actually thinking more of the mathematical logic behind it... unless
STD speed and TD speed have units of exactly the same value with a
different zero point, there is no way you'd *add* something to one to get
the other. Much more likely is that one is a multiple of the other, eg STD
1 = TD4 as has been suggested. Presumably it wouldn't be exactly 4, but
something close... multiplying STD by 4 would give you a rough estimate of TD.
Tim.
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:38:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
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On Mon 30 Mar, Iain Coleman wrote:
> A few moments stick in my mind:
>
> 1) Despite spending the first quarter-century of my life in Scotland, and
> having several dedicated pissheads as close friends, I have never seen
> anyone drink as much as Gareth Thomas.
> 11) My God, that guy can drink.
<smile> don't forget to add 'without falling over or even acting particularly
drunk'. Gareth when he's had a lot to drink is more polite and courteous than
most people are when stone cold sober.
Judith
PS. Don't ask me how he does it. I tend to stay teetotal at conventions with
good reason.
--
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26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
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Date: 31 Mar 1998 09:06:13 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Heavy drinking and sleep deprivation - the key to a great weekend.
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"Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl> writes:
> What about this melon????? something to do with Jackie?
There was a cabaret, where the guests performed different
entertainments. Jackie's contribution was a somewhat original version
of Cinderella.
> And what about Orac????? Peter?
I sat next to Peter Tuddenham at the banquet :-) He seems to quite
enjoy doing Orac, actually.
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:15:00 +0100
From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, Julia Jones
<Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [B7L] a loud and empty room
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Julia Jones said
->Is there a smiley for sticking one's tongue out in a "yah boo sucks"
->manner" :-)
Yes - it is something like 8-P
Glad you all enjoyed it
SteveT
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:41:47 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "space city" <space-city@world.std.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Deliverance
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... and Michael Keating was vey gorgeous indeed. All those Vila things I
love because I lack, kindness and understatement and a quick ear for a
one-liner. Smashing. My favourite moment.. Diane whatever-her-name-is
coming up on stage at the end. Michael quietly getting up and giving her
his seat while attention was elsewhere, and sitting down next to Gareth on
the edge of the stage in companionable silence.. obviously very keen not to
attract attention to the action... No I can't summon the language well
enough to explain.
Just a shame I don't resemble Kate Winslett in any respect.. that's who he
seems to have a yen for at the moment.
But leaving such fruitless yearnings aside for the moment. Just wanted to
say that B7 fans are both very diverse and exceptionally interesting
people. I started so many conversations with people which were never
properly finished, promising myself 'I'll follow that up later, I want to
hear more about (whatever it is).' Then it was all over, and it was time to
go home, and one had only skimmed the surface. Not to mention the people I
said 'hello' to, never to see again (sob).
Themes of space and darkness.. coming up over and over again.
One final question. Do we like B7 because we are ..umm.. unusual types, or
does it drive us to it? Or like Avon, are we neither mad nor bad, just ..
uhhh.. stressed out?
Alison
PS :-) (phew, nearly forgot)
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:48:46 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Standard Speeds (an answer.. kind of)
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Jereon wrote:
>Thanx Ian !!!
>
>Now that you confused everyone we can start again!!!! :)
>
>
>Jeroen
>
>PS: If we wait a year we can discuss this topic again!
Ooohh.. I don't see why not!! ;-)
What goes around, comes around. Well definately on mailing lists.
Take care,
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Ian "Temperatures of over 101 are NOT fun" Lay
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:-)
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:08:09 +0100
From: "Ian Lay" <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris" <parallax@wire.net.au>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: speeds and time scales (a bit more)
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Tim wrote:
>I certainly agree on the unreliability of whatever source material we have.
> I was actually thinking more of the mathematical logic behind it... unless
>STD speed and TD speed have units of exactly the same value with a
>different zero point, there is no way you'd *add* something to one to get
>the other. Much more likely is that one is a multiple of the other, eg STD
>1 = TD4 as has been suggested. Presumably it wouldn't be exactly 4, but
>something close... multiplying STD by 4 would give you a rough estimate of
TD.
To put it in a nutshell..... yep you're right.
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Ian "Temperatures of over 101 are NOT fun" Lay
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:-)
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:40:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
cc: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Bl?@!!Dy Myers-Briggs!
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Trying out a DIY MB test, I came up as an INFJ and it spookily describes
my personality. I repeated it this morning and came up with the same
result.
This is extraordinarily galling.
Una ;)
PS I stand by my guns and claim that I see my personality in descriptions
of Capricorns as well ;)
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:45:46 EST
From: ShilLance <ShilLance@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] AFTERLIFE
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In a message dated 98-03-31 04:58:17 EST, you write:
<< Gwynn
>In a message dated 98-03-30 12:50:53 EST, you write:
>
><< Just curious, does anyone know where I could obtain a copy of this book?
>
> Thanks >>
>
>Trust me when I say.... you don't want a copy of this book!!!!!
I disagree I'm afraid. Having watched Blake's 7 since it first came out
(though I was quite young) and having got all the videos which I watch
reasonabley often, I find Afterlife a nice little read. Okey it's not the
best continuation ever written. I have read the book probably about 20
times and still get enjoyment out of it. I am currently reading at the
moment.
Afterlife isn't the best book I have ever ready, but it certainly isn't the
worst. But am I right in saying that it is the only officailly released
sequel to the series. There wasn't any other books written other than fan
fiction was there? >>
And the fanfic is so much better. They should have allowed a real fan to
write the continuation........
Gwynn
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