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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 93
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90
[B7L] pics of con
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90
[B7L] RE: Tarrant
[B7L] Re: time line
Re: [B7L]: Time Line an answer!
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:14:56 -0500 (EST)
From: adering@ziplink.net (Alex Dering)
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I think Penny wrote this:
>
> > Blake _likes_ Avon. He is often annoyed by him, often tired of having to
> > argue with him constantly, and having his authority undermined-- (seems
> > familiar; oh yeah, my frequent conflicts with authority figures unless I
> > learn to trust them)-- but he likes him. Because he respects him.
> > Actually, I can't imgaine seeing someone the way you say you see Avon
> > (respect, recognizing strong points, trusting) and not liking them as
> > part of the package.
> >
To respond:
The debate on Avon and Blake has gone on for some time, lots of theories,
so here's mine:
Blake and Avon, as far as the human crew goes, are the only two who are
adamant. Blake ran a revolution. He failed, but still, he ran the damned
thing. Avon, as well, tried to swindle the Federation out of billions, and
failed too. The others failed as well, but in a much smaller scale.
Only Blake and Avon ever really had a great big bloody mess fall apart in
their hands. Consider it a baptism of sorts. They had a, um, paradigm
shift. Each sees the other and recognizes that the other has been through
the same fire, that the other has "earned" the right to be an equal.
But neither can accept how the other arrived at the final point they
arrived at. Avon can't believe Blake is such a goody two-shoes. Blake can't
believe how callous Avon is.
And that's my two cents.
And to all of you at the convention: I'm dying of envy here in America.
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:05:07 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #90
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Rebecca wrote:
>Finally, something to do with Blake! I should probably say that, while no
>newcomer to B7, I've only recently gone on-line, and this is the first time
>at joining in here. So please bear with me.
Lovely to have you here, Rebecca.
>If there are any of the Tarrant Nostra hanging around, I had a thought
>about him the other day and would be interested in what you think. When
>Tarrant boards the Liberator, do you think there's any chance he sought it
>out particularly, that he meant to join up with Blake?
Let me start by saying that I'd be happy to read a fan story with
that premise, particularly if *you* are going to write it. :) I
think it would be an interesting possibility to explore.
But I don't really see it as my most canonical interpretation of
how/why Tarrant got on Liberator. Based on what he says in "Power-
play" and "Volcano," I think he ended up on Liberator by an
accident of fate. The ship he'd been on had been destroyed and
his life capsule homed in on Liberator. He says something to
himself after a conversation with Klegg in "Powerplay" that
supports that theory: "I'm not really sure of anything." If he
had boarded Liberator with an intent to join Blake, I don't
think he would have been quite that lost and bewildered. There's
also something he tells Dayna in "Volcano": that he doesn't trust
anyone except himself. My general interpretation is that he's
felt betrayed (possibly on a personal basis, possibly by the
system) and that he's not yet up to trusting any individual
or group. In other words, he wouldn't have sought out a group
of allies at that point in his life. He was thrown into the
Liberator crew and is taking that one day at a time. But with
Tarrant's natural tendency to trust quickly overcoming whatever
caused him to be wary, he's committed to his shipmates and
showing far too much trust in strangers (Norl) in short order.
Which isn't to say that I don't think Tarrant was sympathetic
to Blake or Blake's Cause. He knew about Blake (told Avon as much
in "Powerplay") and must have given some thought to what Blake
was up to. In "Volcano" it is Tarrant (with Dayna) who goes
down to Obsidian to search for Blake and to try to negotiate
for a base from which they can fight the Federation. He's
showing pro-Blake and anti-Federation tendencies right from the
beginning. Further evidence that Tarrant appeared to approve
of Blake's rebel activities comes in "Blake," where he expresses
disillusionment in the question "What on Earth happened to you?"
At the very least, he thought Blake (until Gauda Prime) was one
of the "good guys."
I have to think that Tarrant was in a very precarious position
around the time of Star One. He was on the Federation's wanted
list, so they were his enemies. But as an ex-Space Command
officer it's not likely that many rebel groups would welcome
him with open arms. They might regard him as a potential
double agent/spy or simply might want to exact revenge for
any "crimes" he committed while in space service. I can see
why he'd want to avoid contact with both the Federation and
the organized rebellion. But the Andromedan threat was
enough to convince him to set aside worries about his personal
safety and join the battle to defend mankind, putting him
in contact with both the Federation and rebels. He was rather
lucky to come out of that as well as he did.
Carol McCoy
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:09:48 +0100 (MET)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list)
Subject: [B7L] pics of con
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Just to let you know ,...
I have some problems with my bracelet so I will be a little late! :)
In the mean time I watch the pictures on horizons website
Jeroen
PS: Boehoe
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 07:57:04 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Alex Dering <adering@ziplink.net>
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Alex Dering wrote:
>
> I think Penny wrote this:
No, I did.
> >
> > > Blake _likes_ Avon. He is often annoyed by him, often tired of having to
> > > argue with him constantly, and having his authority undermined-- (seems
> > > familiar; oh yeah, my frequent conflicts with authority figures unless I
> > > learn to trust them)-- but he likes him. Because he respects him.
> > > Actually, I can't imgaine seeing someone the way you say you see Avon
> > > (respect, recognizing strong points, trusting) and not liking them as
> > > part of the package.
> > >
>
> To respond:
>
> The debate on Avon and Blake has gone on for some time, lots of theories,
> so here's mine:
>
> Blake and Avon, as far as the human crew goes, are the only two who are
> adamant. Blake ran a revolution. He failed, but still, he ran the damned
> thing. Avon, as well, tried to swindle the Federation out of billions, and
> failed too. The others failed as well, but in a much smaller scale.
>
> Only Blake and Avon ever really had a great big bloody mess fall apart in
> their hands. Consider it a baptism of sorts. They had a, um, paradigm
> shift. Each sees the other and recognizes that the other has been through
> the same fire, that the other has "earned" the right to be an equal.
>
> But neither can accept how the other arrived at the final point they
> arrived at. Avon can't believe Blake is such a goody two-shoes. Blake can't
> believe how callous Avon is.
>
> And that's my two cents.
I think Jenna was, while not as unique in her failure, closer to Blake
in her past. She ran her own ship, her own business, made connections,
figured deals... she was a leader (like Blake) where as Avon was a
loner. Jenna's fall from independent woman of business to the only woman
on a prison ship, struggling to maintain dignity is more of a
_meaningful_ fall than "the guy who got caught trying a scam". And this
arguement is coming from a fan of Avon.
I think they (Blake and Avon) more have both made a certain study of
politics but come to different conclusions. One is optomistic and
idealistic. The other focusses on the negative. They help balance each
other, and its possible Blake even recognizes a need for balance. At any
rate, they can talk to each other clearly. If you wanted to alk to Vila,
you'd have to give him a thousand years of history lessons before he'd
know why you thought your plan would fail or succeed... and at that,
you'd have to give him the structure of anaylsis, too.
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:12:53 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] RE: Tarrant
Message-ID: <19980328.090649.13543.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Helen quoted then commented:
>
> If there are any of the Tarrant Nostra hanging around, I had a thought
> about him the other day and would be interested in what you think.
When
> Tarrant boards the Liberator, do you think there's any chance he sought
it
> out particularly, that he meant to join up with Blake?
>
I'm not Tarrant Nostra-- although, listening to them, I've found my
views of him softening, but I will happily tell you that yes, I think he
was hoping to find Blake there and maybe join. After all, he didn't try
taking over from Avon to organize piracy or smuggling. More background
on tall and curly would have been interesting-- why did he break from
the Federation? Any rate, seemed to me he knew enough about Blake and
his ship that we could assume he had a strong interest, combined with
his subsequent behavior, it's not unreasonable to assume he was a
idealist looking for a cause to join.
<<<
I agree. I always thought Tarrant was a young mouthy fellow looking for
Blake and a good fight. Fortunate that his rescue ship found the
Liberator and that Zen's auto defense unit didn't waste them. I think he
made do with the situation quite well, though for a while I really
wondered if he was an operative for the Federation and was infiltrating
Avon's crew for information, possibly teleport technology. Of course, he
could have changed his mind at some point and decided that being in the
crew was more fun than being a loyal Fed. That would have proved for
some interesting excitement on board.
Peace,
Penny
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 20:31:41 GMT
From: pdbean@argonet.co.uk (Patrick Bean)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: time line
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My guess for time in the program is;
4 months up to comming across the Liberator, plus maybe a couple of weeks to
account for 'the way back'.
+ 4 more months to Cyngus Alpha
We get no more clues until 'Voice from the past' when Blake said "... we've
been on the run for 2 years now..." (so 2 years and 4 months and a bit)
Between 'voice' and 'star one' this we do not know.
In 'startdrive' we find out that Dr. Plaxton had been with the space Rats for 3
years, and she joined then just after the inter-galactic war.
>From 'Star Drive' to 'Blake' is a third un-known period.
So ?+4 months +2 Years +?+ 3 Years +? =5 years and 4 months. as to how long the
2 large un-known periods lasted, well between 'voice' and 'star one' finding
Docely traveling to start one (it was a long way out, as Jenna said) maybe 4
months?
Now the hard part, from 'star drive' to 'Blake'. A lot of un-seen work was done
between these episodes, finding people, making sure that they were not walking
into a trap etc. Take 'War Lord' setting up that meeting must have taken ages.
I think you are talking about one more year.
I would say the total total length from 'Way Back' to 'Blake' between 6 and 6
and a half years.
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:06:41 +0200
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]: Time Line an answer!
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> At 16:13 27/03/98 +1200, Gregory Graham wrote:
>
> >
> >Surely STD*12=TD4*12=TD48, and TD15=STD*3.25. That would would make
> the
> >Liberator normal speed (STD*6 I think) TD24
> >
>
> Doesn't it seem a little perverse that the Liberator's normal speed is
> "standard by 6" and not just "standard"?
Maybe Blake was just a leadfoot.
>
Standard speed was used because no one knew the right word for the speed
of the Liberator. "Standard" is interpreted by Zen as "normal" speed for
his ship! right? (standard, standard by 6)
How about that?!?! :)
Jeroen
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