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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 75
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Radio play
[B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests
Re: [B7L] Radio play
Re: [B7L] Radio play
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests
[B7L] Is a Pattern Developing Here?
[B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
Re: [B7L] Radio play
[B7L] re: Radio Play
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
[B7L] Re: Machiavelli
[B7L] New videos
[B7L] Avon's modern day persona
Re: [B7L] Radio play
[B7L] Miss you all
[B7L] video tapes
Re: [B7L] video tapes
Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli
Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
[B7L] worst first lines
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways
Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
Re: [B7L] Smoking
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 07:18:07 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Graham Howard wrote:
>
> Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul
> Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played
> their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main
> parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play.
>
> Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list.
>
> Graham.
More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us
Yanks need to do to get copies?
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:47:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: B7 Spin <b7spin@metva.com.au>
cc: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests
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Hi everyone,
Just responding to people's posts from Lysator about the above topics (I
get the digest, so haven't been answering straight away).
Iain said:
>What makes a measurement scientific is its predictive power.
To what extent do you think many psychological theories prove good
predictors of human behaviour? (Especially when compared to theories from
the physical sciences?)
Alison said:
>I notice Una is some kind of management consultant.
Nothing so grand. Just a lowly researcher. ;)
Fran said:
>Remember how IQ tests were used to "prove" that black children were less
>intelligent that white children? It was then demonstrated that language
>and cultural differences were responsible for the lower scores, not lack
>of intelligence.
You may be interested in:
Kamin, L.J. (1974) The Science and Politics of IQ.
An excellent discussion of the agendas and dynamics behind IQ testing.
Una
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:22:06 +0100 (MET)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list)
Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play
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>
> Graham Howard wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul
> > Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played
> > their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main
> > parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play.
> >
> > Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list.
> >
> > Graham.
> More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us
> Yanks need to do to get copies?
>
Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!!
Like me.
SO Include the Dutch people
Jeroen
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 98 15:39:00 PST
From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play
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->> > Graham.
->> More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us
->> Yanks need to do to get copies?
->>
->
->Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!!
->
->Like me.
->
->
->SO Include the Dutch people
->
->
->Jeroen
->
I have no direct information but other peole on the list have said that
Horison are selling copies of the tape. As are, I believe, the BBC?
SteveT
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:10:14 GMT
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression and IQ tests
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Una wrote:
> Just responding to people's posts from Lysator about the above topics (I
> get the digest, so haven't been answering straight away).
>
> Iain said:
> >What makes a measurement scientific is its predictive power.
>
> To what extent do you think many psychological theories prove good
> predictors of human behaviour? (Especially when compared to theories from
> the physical sciences?)
>
Ooh, now that's a hard one. My understanding of psychological theories is
strictly limited.
I'm not aware of any grand psychological theory that is good at predicting
behaviour. The most effective predictors seem to be empirical rules-of-thumb
(at the very basic level, everyone yelps when burnt). There's absolutely nothing
wrong with this: science has to start off with a motley collection of apparently
unrelated observations, and gradually find the underlying structures. Some
people in the social sciences seem to suffer from "physics envy": they don't
appreciate that the grand unifying principles of physics emerged very gradually
from a lot of smaller-scale work.
Mind you, this isn't quite what I was on about. By "predictive power", I really
just meant that the corellation between the measurements and some other
observable would be the same for all populations (or a sufficiently large subset
at least), so that one could then use the measurements to make some statistical
prediction of the other observable. IQ and academic performance, for example.
This might seem a limited ambition, but it really is the cornerstone of science.
> Alison said:
> >I notice Una is some kind of management consultant.
>
> Nothing so grand. Just a lowly researcher. ;)
>
>
> Fran said:
> >Remember how IQ tests were used to "prove" that black children were less
> >intelligent that white children? It was then demonstrated that language
> >and cultural differences were responsible for the lower scores, not lack
> >of intelligence.
>
> You may be interested in:
> Kamin, L.J. (1974) The Science and Politics of IQ.
> An excellent discussion of the agendas and dynamics behind IQ testing.
A book I would recommend that _everybody_ read is "How to lie with statistics"
by Darrell Huff. It's short, it's cheap, it's fun and it's essential reading.
Iain
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:38:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Is a Pattern Developing Here?
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Let me see . . . Vila grabbing hold of "something" to help
Avon move the cube;
Vila nipping the Boss Dog on the behind...
Not only sounds kinky, sounds like the thread of an idea for
a story on the Other List.
Patti
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:44:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
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Okay, so let me understand this. Someone in management,
someone actually in business to make money, has been using
Myers-Briggs as a mangement tool? I don't know whether that's
horrifying or horrifyingly funny. In my office, we use the
Darwinian method. If you survive, you get paid on Friday. No
dead employees will be paid, not even if they have direct
deposit.
As for low self-esteem, that's what most of my therapists
believed of me most of my life. Hah! A year on Serzone and
Lithium, and no low self-esteem. Definitely a chemical
problem, thank All the Gods of Eisernon!
Patti
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:04:51 -0800
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: mailing list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play
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> From: Jeroen J. Kwast <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
> > Graham Howard wrote:
> > >
> > > Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7?
Paul
> > > Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played
> > > their respective characters, with other actors playing the other
main
> > > parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play.
> > >
> > > Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this
list.
> > >
> > > Graham.
> > More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us
> > Yanks need to do to get copies?
> >
>
> Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!!
>
> Like me.
>
>
> SO Include the Dutch people
The official audio tape should "be available at all good bookshops" in
the UK, and could be available in places like the ABC shop in
Australia, PBS shops in the US, etc.
Horizon are selling copies of the official BBC audio tape for eight
pounds, which includes UK P&P but is still cheaper than the official
price. They have arrangements for overseas fans, details on the website
which I don't have bookmarked on this computer, but the address for
which can be found on the links page on Judith Proctor's website. Since
I have no idea how to stick a clickable web address here, use the one
in the sig on Judith's posts.
Alternatively, if someone who has their copy of the tape near the
computer rather than on the other side of the Atlantic posts the ISBN,
you could try an online bookseller like Amazon, or order it through a
local bookshop.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:33:15 +0000
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Radio Play
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Taylor, Steve [MIS] wrote:
>
> ->> > Graham.
> ->> More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us
> ->> Yanks need to do to get copies?
> ->>
> ->
> ->Even more important: People who forgot to listen and tape it!!
> ->
> ->Like me.
> ->
> ->
> ->SO Include the Dutch people
> ->
> ->
> ->Jeroen
> ->
>
> I have no direct information but other peole on the list have said that
> Horison are selling copies of the tape. As are, I believe, the BBC?
>
> SteveT
I ordered my copy of the play from:
RT Blakes 7 offer
JEM House,
Little Mead
Cranleigh
Surry. GU6 8ND
or phone (01483) 804488
They accept credit cards. Whether they still have any left, I don`t
know, but they did a fortnight after the play was broadcast.
Other than that I suggest you phone the BBC mail order dept (number-
anyone?), and try and get the play from them.
You never know, Deliverance might have a supply, as Diane Gies is
Horizon.
Bye
Jackie
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:07:38 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
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PATTI McCLELLAN wrote:
> Okay, so let me understand this. Someone in management,
>someone actually in business to make money, has been using
>Myers-Briggs as a mangement tool?
If you've managed to miss that phenomenon, consider yourself lucky.
Pointy-haired managers all over the US have been trying to use it as a
recipe, assuming that if you combine X people of type A with Y people of
type B you will automatically have a Good Team, or that a particular person
must or must not be suited for a given position on the basis of his or her
type.
I haven't been subjected to this myself -- it must be the only management
fad in the last two decades my company hasn't crawled into bed with -- but
I know quite a few people who have.
And, to be fair, there are cases of M-B being used in a sensible way by
management, unlikely though that might seem. A friend of mine who's retired
from the USAF says that there it was used primarily to point out that
people do have legitimately different styles of handling tasks.
I use it primarily as a nice shorthand for discussing fictional characters.
If I see a character as one type and someone else sees him as another, the
differences between the types can give some interesting pointers to the
different ways we view the character.
- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:20:44 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli
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Narrelle said, re Orbit:
>But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was
>'the end justifies the means'.
Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you do it by
intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using your best
come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the
intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out and
get shot.
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:27:00 GMT
From: sweh@spuddy.mew.co.uk (Stephen Harris)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] New videos
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Sorry if this has been brought up on this list already... I've been busy
and not keeping up with my mail.
Anyway, I was in HMV (Oxford St, London) today and was gob-smacked to see
a new release of the videos. 2 episodes a tape. New covers, including
limited "glossy/shiney/whatever" edition of 7000. Cover has original
transmission date on the back.
HMV have tapes 1 and 2, and a special box with them both in one package.
--
Stephen Harris
sweh@spuddy.mew.co.uk http://www.spuddy.org/
The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what?
* Meeeeow ! Call Spud the Cat on > 01268 515441 < for free Usenet access *
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:52:54 -0800
From: "Adam L. Fuller" <adfuller@ix.netcom.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon's modern day persona
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A while back, Paul Darrow was asked who he thinks Avon's modern day persona
is, who in the modern world he can be most compared with. Darrow said Bill
Clinton and Peter Mandelson, as you all recall, and I think these are
completely ludicrous and without much basis. I don't quite understand how
he can make such a comparison. He has also been known to suggest Dirty
Harry as comparable to Avon, and I just don't know where he gets these
crazy ideas from. But comparing him to someone alive today is certainly
very interesting. I've been giving it a lot of thought, lately, and it
finally occurred to me who Avon's modern day persona is. I've figured it
out, and in hindsight I'm embarrassed that I couldn't think of it sooner
because it's so obvious - Bill Gates. They are both computer experts who
strive for power and domination but aren't terribly interested in politics
unless it suits their struggle for power. They treat people as utilities.
If someone is competant and brings forth good ideas and special talents,
they tolerate them. If not, they rip those subordinates apart by telling
them not to waste their time. They also have a soft side. I don't know if
Gates does, but it seems like he does, being a family man and all. But
still, I think they have a lot in common.
-Adam L. Fuller (ENTJ)
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:13:51 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Radio play
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On Thu 05 Mar, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> Graham Howard wrote:
> >
> > Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul
> > Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played
> > their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main
> > parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play.
> >
> > Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list.
> >
> > Graham.
> More importantly, did anyone _tape_ said radio play? And what do us
> Yanks need to do to get copies?
You can buy copies from Horizon and also from the BBC. See my web page
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 under 'merchandise' or Horizon's web page (which
is linked from mine)
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:48:21 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Miss you all
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I miss you all however between school and company visiting for the next 10
days, I won't be here to play and support my cuddly Vila. Be nice to him
while I'm gone. <g>
Also, in getting ready for the company, I have been cleaning house to the
tune of B7. He! He! I am currently listening to Aftermath. Be Afraid.
Be very Afraid. Bwhahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Hugs to all and see you after March 18th.
Tramila Farris ambrov Farris.
PS. Part of the company thing includes a Sime~Gen LARP. <g>
LARP=Live Action Roleplaying.
---------
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:42:10 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] video tapes
Message-Id: <39882694MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
I've now seen the first two B7 video tapes on sale in the new
release. The bastards. They've got great new covers. HMV are
selling them in a nice cardboard box cover. Woolworths is
giving away free collectors postcards with them. All of them
trying to tempt me in to owning two sets of B7 videos. I will
resist. I WILL RESIST!
I got my train tickets to Deliverance in the post today. Only
three weeks to go. Eeek!
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"The workers united will never be ignited"
Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett
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Date: 06 Mar 1998 13:21:11 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] video tapes
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STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk writes:
> I WILL RESIST!
I won't. Are they available by mail from anywhere?
> I got my train tickets to Deliverance in the post today. Only
> three weeks to go. Eeek!
I haven't gotten confirmation that my money has reached the
Deliverance people yet :-(
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:36:25 -0000
From: "Jenni-Alison" <jenni-alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli
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Harriet wrote:
>
> Narrelle said, re Orbit:
> >But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was
> >'the end justifies the means'.
>
> Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you
do it by
> intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using
your best
> come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the
> intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come
out and
> get shot.
>
> Harriet
And what is the intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your
crewmate to come out and get shot? Enquiring minds want to know!
Jenni
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:24:48 +1030
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
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<whisper> Phillipe is enjoying his
new bicycle. </whisper>
Got that? Good. We can proceed..
First, an update on the war:
"All the rebels want to do is shoot
Federation guards. This of course
makes the Federation guards very
cross, and they shoot Resistance
members. By the time the
Andromedans arrive, there will be
no one left..."
I did not pick 'Allo 'Allo entirely because
of the studs in black leather. There are
definite similarities. A daring band of
rebels (the two Resistance groups)
struggling against a rather interesting
colonial power (the Germans), while the
ordinary people, both the oppressed and
the military, really couldn't give a damn
and just want a peaceful life. ("Rene,
you have to stop meeting those naughty
Resistance people. Then I will try not to
arrest two many Frenchmen, and we can
all lead a quiet life.") There is the sharp
definition between the power-hungry
baddies (the Gestapo) and the ordinary,
nice military (the ordinary German soldiers.)
And there are some *very* interesting
methods of interrogation and torture.
("Helga, if you do not answer my questions,
you will have no pudding. And ve are
having jam roly-poly."
"Oh, Herr Flick, you are a ruthless man!)
And, of course, all wimmin under forty
are referred to as girls...
[Jackie]:
>Lizzen verree carefullee, I shall zay zis only vonce. WHERE IS AVON?!!
Oops! How could forget him?
The primary role of stud in black
leather has been given to Servalan
already. I guess Avon could be
Bobby Cedric "Englebert"
Von Smallhausen. Black leather,
icy demeanour and wooden acting
all accounting for...
M. Alfonse? They both tend towards
funereal black..
But, really, Avon should be Rene (I
wasn't happy with casting Gan in
the role. Gan would be better as Hans.)
After all, Rene was conscripted into
the Resistance against his will, when all
he really wanted to do was make lots of
money from the German oppressors...
And, he's irresistable to wimmin and some
men, (altho why he would prefer Yvette
over both Maria and Gruber is beyond me.)
So the Avon droolers will be happy.
>Who are you having as the Italian officer (Wotta mistaka to maka!!) (I
>suggest Carnell)
<g> Carnell as Bertrolli is an excellent
idea. But wouldn't that make Servalan
Edith?
>What about the German officer "wiz my little tank"?
Not guilty! The incredibly camp and
sweet-natured Lt. Hubert Gruber was
one of my suggestions for Vila (along)
with Hans - because they both tend to
apologize after shooting people. Also,
Gruber is a somewhat neutral party who
just wants to have his cognac, get along
with people, and maybe have some wild
sex with Rene. (Yeah, so I'm an A/V
fan. Didn't influence my casting in the
least. <big grin>
And we who harbour desires for our
thief can take heart - it was actually
a rather large tank.
I used to wish Gruber would forget Rene
and settle down with one of those nice
German boys who used to gaze into his
eyes when he sang. I didn't expect him
to marry Helga, as he did... Any good
Vila/Soolin stories around?
>And you forgot `er indoors - You stupid woman! :->
Which one? Edith or Fanny?
Edith's portrayal always bothered me,
it was highly misogynous, and I can't think
of an equivalent. And Fanny is a goddess
in her own right and does not need
recasting. :)
>Guud moaning!
Aaargh! Travis, of course.
>Even the British airmen were not recast! (I suggest Egrorian and Pinder)
Brilliant casting! Egorian, being the
eldest, would be Fairfax, with Pinder
as Carstairs.
Maybe you could help me with a few more
spare characters... Edith, Maria, Yvette,
Lisa, the other LeClerc brother...
'Allo 'Allo had an incredibly large regular
cast. And what represents the Fallen
Madonna with the Big Boobies?
>Jackie
>I just loved this show, - every one had their own catch-phrase.
"I see flashing knobs!"
>"the pill is in the till, and the gateaux is at the chateaux!"
To which I reply:
"So, somebody must have substituted
ze forged painting in the Gestapo
sausage for ze real painting in the Gestapo
sausage when ze sausage was in ze cafe.
Or, ze Resistance substituted ze forged
painting for ze real painting in ze Gestapo
sausage when they stole ze sausage. Or
you, Herr Gruber, wiz your vell known leaning
towards art, have substituted ze forged
painting for ze real painting when your leetle
dog returned the sausage to your quarters,
cleverly mincing ze sausage to remove all
traces of mein little swastika which I had
placed on the side of it, so now I vill never
know if it was ze Gestapo sausage or just
any old sausage!"
It was a *very* complicated show.
- XXX Lindley
"Yes! I will sacrifice my knickers for France!"
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:17:50 +1000
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] worst first lines
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loved Judith's collection of worst first lines.
Reminded me of a scenario someone contributed to the old Marvel B7
magazine.
Blake & Vila teleport down to a planet.
Vila says "I don't like the look of this place"
Blake agrees. "Yes, let's get out of here"
And they teleport back up.
End of story.
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home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment
Corp.,1977
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:04:33 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
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Lisa said -
> And, to be fair, there are cases of M-B being used in a sensible way by
> management, unlikely though that might seem. A friend of mine who's
retired
> from the USAF says that there it was used primarily to point out that
> people do have legitimately different styles of handling tasks.
My mum, who is a vicar, went on a training course where they use
Myers-briggs to study different styles of praying <rolls eyes>
Alison
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:28:45 +1100 (EST)
From: werry@netspace.net.au (John Werry)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways
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>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways
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>
>At 07:25 PM 3/3/98 +1000, you wrote:
>>Jay said:
>>>Some things I find too hard to forgive. I don't think I would have ever
>>>forgived Avon if he ever tried to space me, although I wouldn't have stayed
>>>mad at him for long. My trust would have been broken and I probably would
>>>have asked for a lift to the nearest pleasure planet.
>>
>>Well, I suppose I was being a bit facetious. Only people you really care
>>about can hurt you enough that you can't forgive. A stranger doesn't know
>>the vulnerable points the way your best friends do. But still... I never
>>saw those two as the very very best of friends
(snip)
>I think that Vila would have learned to trust Avon again (as much as he
>ever did, anyway!), and work with him again, but deep down he would still
>have a part of him that would never forgive Avon for the shuttle incident.
>I know I couldn't fully forgive anyone.
One of the more persistant rumours that I have encountered about the B7
series was that of the alleged cut in Orbit. I have had from 4 unconnected
sources that Vila's face was supposed to be tear streaked when the action
tracked to his hidey hole in the upstairs cupboard. This was meant to show
his feelings re the betrayal from someone he put his allegence & trust into.
I have been told that this scene was cut to maintain a PG rating - the
inclusion of this scene would have boosted the rating to an M rating.
Is this true or have I been fed a lot of nonsense?
Regards.
John - who has has a Travis of a Day.
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:05:51 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Machiavelli
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> Narrelle said, re Orbit:
> >But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was
> >'the end justifies the means'.
Harriet
> Yes, of course, but you're more likely to achieve your end if you do it
by
> intelligent and statesmanlike means, not by prowling round using your
best
> come-out-so-I-can-shoot-you voice. Machiavelli would explain the
> intelligent and statesmanlike way to persuade your crewmate to come out
and
> get shot.
Yes, I was thinking that Machiavelli would try to persuade Vila that he was
doing him the favour of allowing himself to be sacrificed for the greater
good.
Hey - it's not impossible- people buy this line of reasoning all the time.
In fact I was reminded of an old Pete and Dud sketch something as follows:
'Ah, Perkins, what the war needs now is a futile gesture'
'Sah!'
'Go over to no-man's land, take a bit of a look round. And Perkins..'
'Sah?'
'..don't come back.'
Alison
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:36:14 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
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Alison Page wrote:
>My mum, who is a vicar, went on a training course where they use
>Myers-briggs to study different styles of praying <rolls eyes>
Well, there's always the infamous M-B Types Prayers list, though it's
probably not quite what your mother's course had in mind. (Can be found at
<http://www.mmcom.com/demos/MBIPrayer.html>, among other places.)
- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:39:57 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs, Depression, Low Self Esteem
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Okay, so let me understand this. Someone in management,
someone actually in business to make money, has been using
Myers-Briggs as a mangement tool? I don't know whether that's
horrifying or horrifyingly funny. In my office, we use the
Darwinian method. If you survive, you get paid on Friday. No
dead employees will be paid, not even if they have direct
deposit.
Well, I worked as an independent contractor for a while, and I assure you
this is not an uncommon practice. Luckily (maybe) I was not usually a
permanent employee, so I never had to spend a day and a half taking the test
at a snail's pace and finding out in detail all the delightfully mundane
details of how the ditzy receptionist's results matched, "like so close to
my life". Well I did have to endure hearing about it somewhat, management
used this to justify alot of personality conflicts, and paired them up
anyway.
Reuben
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 98 14:29:00 PST
From: "Taylor, Steve [MIS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
Message-ID: <350079F9@courier.lmu.ac.uk>
Lost track of the names
->>Lizzen verree carefullee, I shall zay zis only vonce. WHERE IS AVON?!!
->
->Oops! How could forget him?
->
->The primary role of stud in black
->leather has been given to Servalan
->already. I guess Avon could be
->Bobby Cedric "Englebert"
->Von Smallhausen. Black leather,
->icy demeanour and wooden acting
->all accounting for...
->
No - Avon is Yvette (actually its more the thought of her in black
leather....) - cunning, manipulative, always gets what she wants:-)
Steve T
PS anyone want to start a Dad's Army cross-over! - I would but I'm not that
good at this sort of thing!
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:21:20 +1030
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Smoking
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Patti's message answered fully off list and on
the spin list. I am sorry if anyone thought I was
mocking addiction, but I can't truthfully revise my
opinion that smoking is a nasty, self-destructive,
futile and above all smelly habit. And that a
Goddess like Soolin would never, ever...
I also want to point out that Darren and I were
just fooling around!
Oh, and all the above was In My Honest
Opinion. I'm not even sure if it's possible to
*have* a dishonest opinion...
- XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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