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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 70
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit
Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
Re: [B7L] OT: B5 (oblique plot refs) (was OT: Jingo)
Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
[B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines
[B7L] RE: blakes7-d Digest V98 #69
[B7L] NZ
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
[B7L] Blakes7 / Xena CU
Re: [B7L] Blakes7 / Xena CU
Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines
Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines
[B7L] ssmmmoooking
[B7L] Fan Q possibilities
[B7L] Visions
[B7L] Re: Fan Q possibilities
Re: [B7L] NZ
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs and Deliverance
[B7L] Jingo (Back on-topic, eventually))
Re: [B7L] Groupie names
Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
[B7L] New Zealanders
Re: [B7L] Visions
Re: [B7L] New Zealanders
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:07:23 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit
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> Mary W O'Connor wrote:
> > INTP - took the test, but not convinced. I will need to study the
> > concept more. Perhaps I will try the other site and do the other test.
> > If I don't have the time (reading all this mail keeps me busy)
> > I'll just buy the book.
> :D Mary, you are either a fantastically funny subtle humorist, or...
> ...a *CLASSIC* INTP!
> I am ROFLing reading this golden nugget of prose, succinctly summarizing
> the heart and soul and raison d'etre of an INTJ.
oops! I meant : of an INTP
Pat
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:11:01 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mary W O'Connor" <zvs225@freenet.mb.ca>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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> Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> >Repeat after me.
> >Avon is not insane.
>
Lisa Williams wrote:
> I agree; I don't think Avon comes anywhere *near* qualifying for any major
> psychotic or mood disorder. Some minor stuff maybe, like cyclothymia or a
> personality disorder or two, but a good chunk of the population can rack up
> a couple of those. Mostly he's just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the
> way his life is going.
>
I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long
holiday.
Mary O'Connor
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:41:25 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: "Mary W O'Connor" <zvs225@freenet.mb.ca>
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Mary W O'Connor wrote:
>
> > Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> >
> > >Repeat after me.
> > >Avon is not insane.
> >
> Lisa Williams wrote:
> > I agree; I don't think Avon comes anywhere *near* qualifying for any major
> > psychotic or mood disorder. Some minor stuff maybe, like cyclothymia or a
> > personality disorder or two, but a good chunk of the population can rack up
> > a couple of those. Mostly he's just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the
> > way his life is going.
> >
> I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long
> holiday.
Avon> "Get that damn pill out of my face!"
Vila> "The lady mentioned a holiday."
Avon> "Holiday? hmmm... Orac, a list of pleasure planets within a 12
parsec radius... and if Servalan's on any of them, disqualify it."
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:03:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mary W O'Connor" <zvs225@freenet.mb.ca>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit
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On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Pat Patera wrote:
> > Mary W O'Connor wrote:
> > > INTP - took the test, but not convinced. I will need to study the
> > > concept more. Perhaps I will try the other site and do the other test.
> > > If I don't have the time (reading all this mail keeps me busy)
> > > I'll just buy the book.
> > :D Mary, you are either a fantastically funny subtle humorist, or...
> > ...a *CLASSIC* INTP!
Both actually :) Someone's comments about how INT's (or was it even INTP's)
always buy books because of the information they represent; had me ROFL
because I have shelves and shelves of non-fiction reference books that
I have never had the time to read. I just want to have their information
at my fingertips :) while I pursue some other line of thought.
> > I am ROFLing reading this golden nugget of prose, succinctly summarizing
> > the heart and soul and raison d'etre of an INTJ.
> oops! I meant : of an INTP
> Pat
>
Pat, you must be email psychic. I am a borderline P, a little bit J
Mary O'Connor
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:27:31 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
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Helen:
>> >Because the Blake's 7 universe depicts a pretty sexist future? The men
>> >in good jobs severely outnumber the women. The gals on the ships never
>> >seem to question that the men are the leaders.
me:
>> And every time someone (male) referred to a (patently adult!) woman as a
>> "girl", I cringe. Even Dayna's "the girl who killed Bayban" grates, and
>> she's talking about herself. Are all the Mutoids women?
Helen:
>Dayna wanted to say a different line than Cally, I think. And Dayna grew
>up with only a sister and father for company... in many ways, she may
>feel she still has so much to learn about other people, and so many ways
>to mature, she is still a "girl".
Points taken. That scene would have been pretty contrived if Dayna had said
the same thing as Cally. And there needed to be a third "... who killed
Bayban" to round out the dialogue. Reminds me of the "rule of three" used
by political speech writers - repeat a key point (or variations thereof)
three times for maximum emphasis. (I think I heard that from Alan Pease,
body language expert.)
>As far as Servalan goes, yes, she had to be ruthless to get there. But
>Avon is ruthless, too, and he doesn't commit genocide in order to
>reproduce (Children of Aruon). I mean to say, the lady has style-- as
>far as being unfeminine goes, she isn't-- but she is evil, without a
>doubt.
Oh, yes, by any standards of behaviour Servalan's actions are
reprehensible. Stylish, ruthless, evil. Not my first vote for President of
the Galaxy by any stretch.
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:02:14 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: B5 (oblique plot refs) (was OT: Jingo)
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Gwynn:
>> Apparently you haven't seen much of Voyager or DS9. Both feature women in
>> great roles. TNG and TOS (original Trek) didn't fo well in this area.
>>
Helen:
>Actually, I prefer the women of B5. Susan Ivanova is God, after all
>(from the Babylon 5 mantra). Delenn looks delicate, but those Minbari
>are stronger than human and behind her soft spokenness, we have seen a
>will of iron. And Leeta... gotta love a telepath who puts her hands on a
>guy and fells him just by saying "Pain!" Not to mention the icy-looking
>but tres hot leader of the Mars resistance.
Were we separated at birth? ;) Ivanova has to be my favourite character
from B5, closely followed by Marcus, Lyta, Garibaldi, Steven and Talia. I
was _so_ torn as the closing eps of the most recent season unfolded (was it
3 or 4? Senility looms...), and so angry at Marcus. Selfish, that's me.
Digression: Garibaldi wrapped in pink Gladwrap, mmm.
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:21:29 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
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Pat?:
> > all hairy barbarians (none of whom compare to Ares, the
>God of War in > Xena, Warrior Princess. What a studmuffin *sigh*
*manic cackling* and he's mine, mine, miiiiine.
<shakes herself>
<harrumph>
Sorry, that gland gang again. What I meant to say was, Kevin Smith is one
of our sexier exports. I've seen him in lots of telly here, including a
spot on a stand-up comedy show (very funny in a blokish sort of way). And
at least once in theatre productions (unfortunately, the only part I can
remember is a bit-part as an Irish policeman in Lettice and Lovage at
Christchurch's Court Theatre). A hunt through the programme collection is
definitely on the list for next time I visit the parents.
Anyway, after going slowly green reading accounts of Steven Pacey on stage,
and thinking about Paul Darrow as Captain Vimes, I just had to chime in on
this one. :-)
More sexy Kiwi exports: Russell Crowe (Quick and the Dead, and others),
Temuera Morrison (Speed 2).
Sue:
> Ares is hot.
Yes. Is it that bad-boy thing again, d'ya think?
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:58:33 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
CC: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
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I suggest Kevin Smith (Ares) as Avon if they were to remake B7...
opinions?
(And Nicola, I think Garibaldi would give you a very funny look about
pick Saran wrap. He's more of a Daffy Duck boxers kind of guy.)
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:23:33 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
CC: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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>From "Children of Auron", Servalan's reaction to her clones dying-- "A
Mother's Love".
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Date: 1 Mar 1998 16:01:29 -0800
From: "Kinkade.Carol" <kinkade.carol@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] RE: blakes7-d Digest V98 #69
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>Reuben wrote:
>I'll get in a conversation about TV and how what's on today really stinks
>and how it's not worth watching, and then I'll start talking about this
>really amazing TV show that is gritty reality like nothing on TV today,
>then I will invariably drag out the tape and submit the poor party goers
>to The Way Back or the final moments of Blake, explaining the signifigance
>of it all as we go along. All this at 2 or 3 in the morning.
>
>IS this another one of those YKYBWTMB7W? Or is it just a sign that I'm
>losing it.
Sounds like the pefect date to me. <g>
Carol K
(AVON RULES!!!!)
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:58:06 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] NZ
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me:
>> I'm a proud New Zealander - possibly the only person on the
>> list who doesn't automatically think NZ=Neutral Zone :)
>
>Fran M
>C'mon, mate! There's several Aussies on this list! We even know that
>you are a separate country to us!
Crikey, sheila! Bloody pleased to know ya! (Struth, it's hard coming up
with Kiwi vernacular that doesn't sound more Strine....)
Yes, I had spotted a few .au addresses in the list, but no other .nz's :(.
And I'm reassured that you realise we're a separate country ;). From past
experience, I'm lucky if non-Antipodeans realise we're even in the South
Pacific.
"Noo ZEE-land? Somewhere near Iceland, innit?"
Brrr!
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:33:56 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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>Lisa Williams wrote, re Avon:
>> Mostly he's just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the
>> way his life is going.
>>
Mary O'Connor:
>I agree, too. Avon just needed a stress formula multi-vitamin and a long
>holiday.
So that's why I identify so strongly with him right now! And I only had a
holiday two months ago...
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:43:10 +1300
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ares (was OT: Jingo)
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Helen:
>I suggest Kevin Smith (Ares) as Avon if they were to remake B7...
>opinions?
mmm, dunno. I've only ever seen him in blokish, muscleman type roles. Not
saying he couldn't do it, mind. Just can't see it.
>(And Nicola, I think Garibaldi would give you a very funny look about
>pick Saran wrap. He's more of a Daffy Duck boxers kind of guy.)
Yeah, well, he hadn't chosen said plastic clingfilm attire himself ;-). I'm
sure he'd much rather wear the boxers. Especially given the circumstances.
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated
technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain
style."
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:34:12 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Blakes7 / Xena CU
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> > Ares is hot.
It's not just the leather; it's "the look"
I frequently think of Avon when watching Ares.
it's "the attitude" the arrogance, the insolence, the sideburns! :D
(Avon plays Elvis joke)
> I am now wondering if a crossover fanfic would be a good thing or a bad
> thing. Xena teamed with Avon> "What do you mean, a man is always
> stronger? Benchpress Argo, then."
Naw, Xena would simply arm-wrestle Avon into submission
Of course, we are being silly, as Xena is fathered by a god (Ares). It
would be like pitting Gan against Hercules (also fathered by a god -
Zeus). Sure, Gan is strong, but only mortal, after all.
> Servalan and Ares, "Was the battle of Star One as good for you as it was
> for me?"
*snort* *sputter* LOL oh Helen, you are TOO wicked!
Ok, if we cast the B7 characters into the Xena Universe:
Servalan - Callisto
Avon - Ares
Or: Travis I - Ares
& Travis II - Ares' whiney nephew
Dayna - Gabrielle
Gan - Argo
Avalon - Queen of the Amazons
Kasabi - Queen Bodica
Soolin - Aphrodite (who's really quite malicious)
Dorian - Cupid
Carnell - The Oracle at Damocleus
Jenna - Hera (the *jealous* wife of Zeus)
Blake - Zeus
Jarvik - Hercules
Cally - Iosus (sp?)
Vila - Prince of Thieves (name?)
Tarrant - Joxer
(all together now...)
Joxer the Mighty
He's very tidy
Everyone admires him
He's so handsome it's a sin
He's every man's Trotsky
He's every woman's fantasy
If you're in jeopardy
Don't call the calvary
There's a better remedy
Altho he doesn't work for free
Joxer the Mighty
Roams thru the countryside
He never needs a place to hide
With Gabby as his sidekick
Fighting with her little stick
Righting wrongs and singing songs
Being Mighty all day long
It's Joxer! Joxer the Mighty!
It's Joxer! Joxer the MI-I-IGHTY!
(sung with the bombastic vigor of Monty Python's "I'm a Lumberjack and
I'm OK"
(Pat now enrolls in Secret Witness Protection Program with Tarrant
Nostra hot on her heels)
Gan? I ain't afraid of no goose.
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 17:32:50 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: pussnboots@geocities.com
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Pat Patera wrote:
>
> Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> > > Ares is hot.
> It's not just the leather; it's "the look"
> I frequently think of Avon when watching Ares.
> it's "the attitude" the arrogance, the insolence, the sideburns! :D
> (Avon plays Elvis joke)
And he can do that cool, plotting thing.
> > I am now wondering if a crossover fanfic would be a good thing or a bad
> > thing. Xena teamed with Avon> "What do you mean, a man is always
> > stronger? Benchpress Argo, then."
> Naw, Xena would simply arm-wrestle Avon into submission
And then what would she do with him?
>
> Of course, we are being silly, as Xena is fathered by a god (Ares). It
> would be like pitting Gan against Hercules (also fathered by a god -
> Zeus). Sure, Gan is strong, but only mortal, after all.
But Ares denies being her daddy. And Xena would just love to teach Avon
not to be so arrogant. And Avon doesn't know she's supernatural. The
look on his face would be similiar to the moment Vila volunteered for
speed-chess.
>
> > Servalan and Ares, "Was the battle of Star One as good for you as it was
> > for me?"
> *snort* *sputter* LOL oh Helen, you are TOO wicked!
Thank you. Proudly DAMNed, bad-ASS, SEXed and full of VICE.
>
> Ok, if we cast the B7 characters into the Xena Universe:
> Servalan - Callisto
> Avon - Ares
> Or: Travis I - Ares
> & Travis II - Ares' whiney nephew
(note, the nephew's name is Strife)
> Dayna - Gabrielle
Dayna= Artemis, I think
> Gan - Argo
No... what about Typhon, the giant
> Avalon - Queen of the Amazons
> Kasabi - Queen Bodica
> Soolin - Aphrodite (who's really quite malicious)
> Dorian - Cupid
Pre-Psyche, maybe
> Carnell - The Oracle at Damocleus
> Jenna - Hera (the *jealous* wife of Zeus)
> Blake - Zeus
> Jarvik - Hercules
> Cally - Iosus (sp?)
> Vila - Prince of Thieves (name?)
"Autolycus," (groom mustache) "King of Thieves"
> Tarrant - Joxer
And the guy from Gold as Salmoneus
>
Snip
>
> (Pat now enrolls in Secret Witness Protection Program with Tarrant
> Nostra hot on her heels)
> Gan? I ain't afraid of no goose.
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:41:50 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> >From "Children of Auron", Servalan's reaction to her clones dying--
> "A Mother's Love".
*cackle snort* :D
More Precious Moments:
(aaw shucks, I can't top "Wishing Well")
Worst opening line for fanfic story - official contest entry:
It was a glorious spring day on Gauda Prime. Young Soolin skipped out of
her little rose covered cottage, yellow pigtails bouncing behind.
Perkily, she sang: "...Today's the day the TeddyBears have their
pic-nic."
Pat P
(puking)
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:22:33 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: pussnboots@geocities.com
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Tragic Moments Figurines
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Pat Patera wrote:
>
> Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> > >From "Children of Auron", Servalan's reaction to her clones dying--
> > "A Mother's Love".
> *cackle snort* :D
> More Precious Moments:
> (aaw shucks, I can't top "Wishing Well")
Thank you.
>
> Worst opening line for fanfic story - official contest entry:
>
> It was a glorious spring day on Gauda Prime. Young Soolin skipped out of
> her little rose covered cottage, yellow pigtails bouncing behind.
> Perkily, she sang: "...Today's the day the TeddyBears have their
> pic-nic."
>
> Pat P
> (puking)
Actually, I picture this as a real flashback story... seconds later, her
family is massacred, and little Soolin picks up an abandoned weapon,
dresses her dollies as the bad guys, and shoots each one to bits.
An contest entry from me:
Avon turned to the leader of the rebel band, "All right, Dave Lister,
we'll do it your way, but only because you got me killed boarding the
Liberator and as a hologram, I'm virtually immortal. God, I wish I'd
gone with Blake's plan for escape, but who would work for a child
molestor?"
(Is it okay for the worst line to incorporate a crossover?)
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:05:35 +1000
From: "Roger The Shrubber" <darrenro@ozonline.com.au>
To: "B7 Main List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] ssmmmoooking
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someone mentioned the possibility of Avon being a smoker
Here is my list of who would & wouldn't
Avon- chain smokes because he is a tough guy ! Also needs something to do
with his hands when he's not programming or rigging up hardware
Servalan - Smokes very expensive cigarettes that you can't get at the local
shops. Possibly uses a cigarette holder while smoking.
Vila - Cigar when he's winning, occasional cheap cigs when he's not.
Dayna - More interested in recreational drugs than cigs.
Soolin - 30 a day, 60 when socialising, sometimes rolls her own.
Gan - Social smoker, cheap brand.
Blake - Doesn't smoke, but is curious about who else does & why.
Cally - Used to smoke a safe herbal mix.
Jenna - Smokes plenty while doing illegal smuggling runs, otherwise just
socially.
Travis - Marlboros, what else.
___________________________________
from Darren r ..... Comments are welcome !
powerplay@cheerful.com
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their
home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment
Corp.,1977
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"The Administration is out to get me"
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"In the end, winning is the only safety"
_________________________________________
"If man is art, can I just go out of here and make an exhibition of myself
?"
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Anxiety & Panic
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 98 03:43:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com
To: space-city%world.std.com%inet03#@genie.geis.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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OK, here are all the 1997 all-B7 gen zines (including het adult, which
counts as gen for Fan Q purposes) that I know of. Have I left anything out?
Nomination forms are available on the MediaWest web site, at
http://members.aol.com/MdiaWstCon/mwc.htm
If you're not a member of the convention, then you have to pay a $1 fee to
make nominations, but you can make as many as you like.
In Australia, Susan Smith-Clarke is collecting the forms. Otherwise, I
suppose everyone should use the U.S. address. Nominations must be received
by March 20.
To be on the final ballot, there must be three nominations for each item and
at least two items in the category. Everything must be designated either
"gen" (including adult) or "slash" (the single f/f story in =Deadlier Than
the Male= would presumably be considered slash). The categories are:
artist
poem or filk
story (any length, within a zine)
nonfiction "story" (article, essay, etc.)
nonfiction zine
standalone story (any length, published by itself)
zine (fiction, poems, etc.)
Here's what we have to choose from in the gen division. I notice one thing
already-- there are exactly two standalones, so we should nominate both if
we want one to win!
Kathryn, I understand there is also some B7 material in =Refractions= #3, if
you'd like to add any information about that.
AVON #12: Mercy's Bounty (novella by Donna Chlouber; S5)
Publisher: Avon, The Paul Darrow Society
Date: 1997
AVON #13 (two stories by Susan Barrett Riaz)
Publisher: Avon, The Paul Darrow Society
Date: 1997
Fiction:
Susan Barrett Riaz, "Considered Alternatives"
Susan Barrett Riaz, "Alone Is Not the Only Way"
DARK WINE (novel by Tashery Shannon; adult; AU A/ocf)
Editor: Tashery Shannon
Publisher: Maverick Press (Jo Ann McCoy; Pueblo, CO)
Date: May, 1997
DEADLIER THAN THE MALE (mixed gen, adult, and f/f)
Editor: Pat Jacquerie
Publisher: Maverick Press (Jo Ann McCoy, Pueblo, CO)
Date: 1997
Fiction:
Brooke Barker, "Career Counseling" (gen; S0; Se)
Misha, "Asphodel" (S5; J/Se)
P. R. Zvejnieks, "Beginnings" (gen; S3-4?; Veron Kasabi-
Bek)
P. R. Zvejnieks, "Proving Flight" (gen; sequel to
"Beginnings;" S3-4?; Veron Kasabi/Bek)
Susan Barrett Riaz, "Nobody Lives Forever" (gen; S3-4;
Se)
Pita Enriquez Harris, "Streetcorner Girl" (gen; S0; So)
Neil Faulkner, "A Candle in the Dark" (gen; S0; C)
Vega, "Reminiscences from the Pit" (gen; S1-S0; J)
Alicia Ann Fox, "Vi et Armis" (S3; A/D)
Susan Bennett, "Powerplay-- An Epilogue" (gen; S4; Se-C)
Judith Proctor, "A Scale of Violence" (gen; S5; So-G)
Marian Mendez, "Early Days" (gen; S1; A-C)
Twisted Sister, "Assessments" (S1?; G/So)
Lexa Reiss, "Psychotherapy" (gen; S3; A-Se)
Lorna Breshears, "In the Blood" (gen; S1, post-Duel; V -
Kie-eyre, the mutoid)
Poetry:
Barbara Teichert, "A Fourth Season Pilot's Song" (f,
Poisoning Pigeons in the Park, by Tom Lehrer)
Barbara Teichert, "Bayban's Mother Puts a Word On" (f,
The Ballad of Sweeney Todd, by Stephen Sondheim)
Susan Bennett, "Another Kind of Exile: Cally"
Judith Proctor, "Ladies from Hades" (f, Eileen O'Grady)
Barbara Teichert, "How to Kill Her" (f, I Don't Know How
to Love Him, by Andrew Lloyd Webber)
Barbara Teichert, "How to Kill Him" (f, I Don't Know How
to Love Him, by Andrew Lloyd Webber)
Barbara Teichert, "Days in White Satin" (f, Nights in
White Satin, by Justin Hayward)
Barbara Teichert, "Servalan Plays Favorites" (f, My
Favorite Things, by Richard Rogers)
Art:
Randym p. 62 Christmas cartoon
Val Westall p. 125 So
TENTS OF GOTH #1
Editorial staff:
Managing editor: David R. Sanderson
Senior editor: Ruth Hanson
Editor: Caroljean Hanson
Publisher: Egrorian Press
Date: April 1997
Fiction:
Lorna Breshears, "Digging in the Dirt" (S5; A)
David R. Sanderson, "CHR761" (S2)
Jeffrey D. Jonsson, "Doppelganger" (S3; B)
David R. Sanderson, "Blake, Less One" (alt S4-5, alt-
Blake)
Ruth Hanson, "Choices" (alt-S2, alt-post-Killer)
Anna Richmond, "Double Bluff" (S2)
Carol Hanson, "White Dwarf" (alt-S2; Se)
No art
WHAT ON EARTH HAPPENED TO YOU?
Editors: Nicole Petty and Bonnie Key
Publisher: Delta Dome Press (Marietta, GA)
Date: 1997
Format: letter size, 154 text pp. + [6] pp. zine ads, white
card covers, black comb binding
Fiction (all dealing with Blake post-Star One):
Susan Riaz, "Alone Is Not the Only Way" (prequel to AVON
#10: The Sum of the Parts; S3; B)
Patricia Blasi, "Portside" (S3; B-J)
Jean B. Hubb, "What Do You Want of Me?" (S3; B)
Vega, "Diversion" (S3; B)
Marian Mendez, "Mistaken" (S3; B-J)
Marian Mendez, "Jenna's Addenda" (sequel to "Mistaken;"
S3, J)
Patricia Blasi, "Blake's Battalions" (S3; B-J; humor)
Paul Ragis, "Debts to Pay" (S3; B; two alternate endings)
Pat Fenech, "An Unacceptable Risk" (S3-S4; B)
Pita Enriquez-Harris, "Griffin, Blake" (same universe as
"I'm Not Blake" in STAR THREE; S3; B)
Susan Riaz, "To the Death" (S5)
Marian Mendez, "Fallen Star" (S3-4-5; B-J)
Judith Proctor, "What If Earth Be But the Shadow of
Heaven?" (S5; B-G)
Nonfiction:
"Behind the Scenes" (acknowledgments)
Nicole Petty, "Ol Proverbial Editorial"
Zine ads
Poetry:
Judith Proctor, "The Writer's Lament" (f, I Will Go, I
Will Go When the Fighting Is Over)
Judith Proctor, "Seeking Gauda Prime"
Susan Bennett, "The Killing Moon"
Judith Proctor, "Freedom's Call" (f, Going Nowhere, by
Artisan)
Judith Proctor, "I Can't Remember" (f, My Song Is Love
Unknown)
Art:
Bonnie Key front c. B, A, Liberator
Sabrina Stone p. 5 B
p. 110 B
p. 154 B, A, V
Mary O'Connor p. 9 B
p. 15 J-B
p. 18 B-Se on Terminal
p. 23 B-J; illo for "Portside"
p. 66 J
p. 71 GP B
p. 77 B-J; illo for "Blake's"
p. 151 B-G; illo for "Heaven"
Val Westall p. 27 B
p. 113 GP B, Liberator
p. 119 A
p. 122 A-B
p. 125 B-A
p. 133 J
p. 142 GP B
p. 147 A-B on GP
Fliss Davies p. 35 B, J; illo for "Diversion"
p. 47 B; illo for "Diversion"
p. 59 B-ocm; illo for "Diversion"
back c. B, Liberator
Maria de le Luz Ragis p. 84 spaceships
Marisa Fenech p. 93 B
p. 104 A-B
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:33:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Visions
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Gareth Thomas and Sheelagh Wells are confirmed guests at Visions. The date is
27-29 November '98 and it is at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare in Chicago.
I've temporarily forgotten the web page address, but I've linked it from my
page. Try 'news' or 'conventions'.
I expect I'll probabaly go to this one, although it's not one of my favourite
conventions. (I don't care much for the con hotel)
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 98 06:44:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8%genie.com%inet01#@genie.geis.com
To: space-city%world.std.com%inet01#@genie.geis.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Fan Q possibilities
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Oops-- here's something I forgot. Since by the Fan Q rules,
heterosexual adult stories count as gen, the following stories from
=Forbidden Star= #2 are also in the gen group, even though the zine
itself presumably counts as slash.
(Note: the first two are very short, humorous pieces, and
"Portrait" is a two-page vignette; the other four stories are
longer and have substantial plots as well as sex. All are very
good, IMO.)
The poems all seem to be non-slash as well.
FORBIDDEN STAR #2
Editor: Judith Proctor
Publisher: Waveney (Wimborne, Dorset)
Date: December 1997
Non-slash stories:
Arachne, "Girl's Night Out" (C-J, implied B/J; humor)
Arachne, "Dressing for Dinner" (Tr; humor)
Arachne, "A Brief Revival of Saffron" (S1, A/Se)
Nicky Barnard, "Passing Through Fire" (S3, Moloch; V-Se,
Se/ocms)
Alicia Ann Fox, "In the Cold with You" (alt-S4, alt-
Rescue; A/C)
Twisted Sister, "Portrait" (S3; A/C)
Loulou Harris, "Cold Revolution" (S4; A/So)
Non-slash poetry:
Ebony, "Insomnia" (A)
Ebony, "Masquerade" (uc A/C)
Ebony, "Rebel" (A? or B?)
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:09:00 +1030
From: "Lindley" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <algemy@ozemail.com.au>, "B7" <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] NZ
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[Fran M.]:
>> I'm a proud New Zealander - possibly the only person on the
>> list who doesn't automatically think NZ=Neutral Zone :)
>
>C'mon, mate! There's several Aussies on this list! We even know that
>you are a separate country to us!
I was reading this Xena story, trying
desperately to figure out why Xena had
been miraculously transported to Australia,
when it finally hit me... <grin>
OK, so that's off-topic. But I could see
Gan, as a Kiwi, honest.
love & hugs,
Lindley.
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:07:03 +1030
From: "Lindley" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs and Deliverance
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{Helen K]: yeah, again. Dunno why I keep
answering the same two people...
>Pat Patera wrote:
>>
>> Judith Proctor wrote:
>> > I looked at the rules on 'Rebel hunt' which said
>> > <snip> Of course, if in the best B7
>> > > tradition, it actually looks like a hairdryer or curling tongs,
that's fine."
>>
>> Envision Servalan, curling tongs in hand, an evil red telltale inset in
>> its steel collar, a baleful glowing eye signifying the searing heat of
>> this instrument of torment. Slowly, lovingly, a gloating gleam in her
>> eye, she touches the burning rod to rebel <insert rebel of choice here>
>> flesh...
I'm not sure whether to crack up laughing or
to take an anti-aphrodisiac.
>Avon glowers, "Even if you give me Tarrant's hairstyle, I _still_ won't
>talk!"
Yeah, but threaten my Soolin with split ends,
and she just might crumble.
>>
>> And I shudder to think how deadly My Steel Queen could be with a
>> hairdryer! ':o
<smile> <leer>
XXX Lindley.
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:36:16 +1030
From: "Lindley" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Helen Krummenacker" <avona@jps.net>,
"Nicola Collie" <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
Cc: "B7-list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Jingo (Back on-topic, eventually))
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[Helen Krummaker}:
>> "I've only been a woman for tem minutes but I hate you male bastards
>> >already" - Corporal Nobbs
>>
>> *chuckle* I loved this aspect of Jingo's plot! and somehow it seems
>> appropriate for B7 discussion. Can't think why, though.
>> ttfn, Nicola
I loved this too! Altho I couldn't help being
disappointed that the ref to a "very camp
follower" on teh blurb wasn't in reference to
the, ah, gentleman's club that has already
been mentioned. I guess queer issues will
still be dealt with obliquely, thru the Undead
and the toothfairies, in the Discworld.
I shouldn't complain - Susan going to Biers
in "Hogswatch" captured the *feeling* of
being bisexual in a dichotomized world
*perfectly,* bringing tears of empathy to
my eyes. I'm of the camp that believes
Pterry writes true literature, not mere
comic fantasy.
>Because the Blake's 7 universe depicts a pretty sexist future? The men
>in good jobs severely outnumber the women. The gals on the ships never
>seem to question that the men are the leaders.
>
>One thing I like about Servalan is she's managed to make it as a woman
>in a male-dominated culture. On the other hand, her uses of power
>::shiver::.
Servalan reminds me so much of the
Marquise in Les Liaisons Dangereuse.
Faced with the lack of power of most
wimmin, she over-compensated and was
utterly cruel and ruthless. Servalan and
the Marquise are alike in other ways, too -
beautiful, refined, lusty and brilliant.
- sticking forks into her hand under the table,
Lindley.
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:58:36 +1030
From: "Lindley" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Groupie names
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[Helen Krummenaker]:
>More "club names" ideas came to mind today.
>
>For Soolin: "Soolin's Lovably Unique Team" S.L.U.T. (my husband's idea,
>actually)
Yes! At last I can say it - I am a
proud SLUT!
-- yours in sluttiness,
Lindley.
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:34:09 +1030
From: "Lindley" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "B7-list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
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[Nicola]:
>And every time someone (male) referred to a (patently adult!) woman as a
>"girl", I cringe. Even Dayna's "the girl who killed Bayban" grates, and
>she's talking about herself.
Never mind, dear. I agree it''s infantalising
and sexist, but just ignore the negative
connotations and reclaim it. Listening
to Wannabe several times running helps.
Now, everybody together,
one, two three:
GIRL POWER!!!!!!
>Are all the Mutoids women?
At least most. 'Tis interesting, that,
to say the least.
>But to make it to the top, against all the usual obstacles _and_ being a
>woman, would take a particularly ruthless person. I was just telling the
>spinlist about our woman PM - she's regarded as being rather tough and
>unfeminine, perhaps due to the personality characteristics that got her to
>the top in the first place. I guess Thatcher may be regarded in the same
>way, yesno?
>Anyway, yes, Servalan's made it to a position of power, yes, she ruthlessly
>uses anything she can to maintain and advance her position. I think there
>may be a connection. :)
Of course, Servalan managed to retain her
femininity, which is both difficult and admirable.
<bitterness>
Female achievement is allowed to a certain
degree, as long as you're ready to become a
token male - and then, of course, you get
ridiculed for being masculine. It's a no-win
situation, especially if you have brains and
ambition but are also a girly girl - or if you're
a warm person, but also a tomboy.
</bitterness>
Pratchett has a few words to say on that, as
well - check out "Feet of Clay":
" 'Look, there's planty of women around here
that'd love to do it the dwarf way. I mean, what
are the choice's they've got? Barmaid, seamstress,*
or someone's wife. While *you* can do anything the
men do...'
'Provided we only do what the men do,' said Cheery.
Angua paused. "Oh,' she said. 'I *see.* Hah. Yes,
I know *that* tune.' "
* Pterry fen know, of course, that seamstresses
don't necessarily know how to sew. <g>
My favourite [serious] Pterry quote is also from FOC.
Somehow it, too, reminds me very strongly of B7:
"Anyway, Angua seemed to have taken this
case personally. She always had a soft spot
for the underdog.
So did Vimes. You had to. Not because they
were pure or noble, because they weren't. You
had to be on the side of the underdogs because
they weren't overdogs."
-- thoughtfully,
the feminine feminist,
Lindley.
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:32:57 +1300
From: "Lucas Young" <lyoung@bitworks.co.nz>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] New Zealanders
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Hi!
I'm another Kiwi, from Taranaki. I've been lurking on this group for =
ages...
I LOVED B7, Sapphire and Steel, Doctor Who as a child... Loved the =
drama, nevr thought about the wobbly sets and endless chalk quarries,
LOVED the Liberator - I'm actually a 3D animator and have been looking =
for any decent 3D models of the Liberator, the most innovative ship =
design ever, with the Enterprise a close second.. and PAul Darrow, the =
ACTING!!
The final ep wrecked me. How could they DIE? and Avon SHOT Blake?? =
Aaargh
etc etc you knowthe drill.
Anyway, hi, and I'll probably post again if I don't get flamed off the =
list for some political discrepancy... hehe
Lucas Young
http://www.digitalus.co.nz/
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:53:40 EST
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Visions
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In a message dated 98-03-02 02:33:36 EST, you write:
<< Gareth Thomas and Sheelagh Wells are confirmed guests at Visions. The date
is
27-29 November '98 and it is at the Hyatt Regency O'Hare in Chicago. >>
Drats! Just when I thought I'd save some money around Christmas time!
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 07:02:22 EST
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] New Zealanders
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In a message dated 98-03-02 06:21:44 EST, you write:
<< Anyway, hi, and I'll probably post again if I don't get flamed off the list
for some political discrepancy... hehe >>
Flamed? Here? Wrong list. Intellegent, witty responces, which may require
you to re-consider your position before rejecting the counter-arguements, but
no flaming. Not all that expericanced with lists, but what experiance I do
have shows the B7 crowd to have unusually good taste, manners, and
decorum(mostly:) ). Welcome in, and look forward to your future posts!
D. Rose
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