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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 68
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Precious moments
Re: [B7L] re: safety
[B7L] Avon and Blake
[B7L] errata
[B7L] NZ
[B7L] costumes
[B7L] Re: naming servers
Re: [B7L] Apology
Re: [B7L] YKYBWFFTMB7W...
Re: [B7L] Re: Alphas
Re: [B7L] costumes
Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
[B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
[B7L] Re: B7 and Meyers-Brigs
Vila (was Re: [B7L] Apology)
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] Apology
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
Re: [B7L] Orbit
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
[B7L] Groupie names
Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
Re: [B7L] Naming clans
Re: [B7L] Avon and Blake
Re: [B7L] re: safety
Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit
[B7L] Re: b7spin: Space Opera
Re: [B7L]Precious moments (Was Avon and Blake)
Re: [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna
Re: [B7L] If you give me your attention,
Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
[B7L] Trying for converts
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:21:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Susan.Moore@uni.edu
To: BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Precious moments
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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 Susan.Moore@uni.edu wrote:
> Don't worry. I'm sure if this comes to pass others and I will conteract with
> Tragic Moments figurines(tm).* Yes, who wouldn't thrill to own their very
> own version of the classic figurine "Togetherness" which depicts that final,
> touching moment in the episode "Blake". Or "Hide and Seek" showing what it's
> like to play this age-old game with Avon in a crashing shuttle.
To which Sue responded:
> Susan, you read my min. Tragic Moments was my favorite ever host
>segment on MST3K. "I'll Get It" still collapses me into giggles and
>snorts. And "Dad's Liquid Breakfast" was excellent as well. What
>was the one with the dog?
"Sparky's Last Romp" which showed the results of teasing a bull once too often.
>> (Tragic Moments figurines are a registered trademark of Deep 13, Gismonics
>> Institute. No infringement is meant.)
> I still miss my Clayton, but the 8th season plot with Pearl, Bobo,
>and Brain Guy was pretty good.
Yes, I miss Clayton and TV's Frank as well. And the invention exchange and
there seem to be fewer songs. But at least MST3K is still going.
Susan M.
"Nobody gets me. I'm the wind, baby!"
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:33:31 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety
Message-ID: <199802271533.KAA06653@yfn.ysu.edu>
Jay wrote:
>Well, I wouldn't put it past Avon, but I doubt if Cally would agree to
>space him. Tarrant's still "the new guy on the block" (right?), Vila
>didn't know him well enough to realise Tarrant is just trying to throw his
>weight around and takes him seriously, like he would Avon. I very much
>doubt Tarrant would have followed through on his threat if Vila continued
>to refuse.
Thank you for recognizing that Tarrant wouldn't have followed through
on his threat. Many of us get frustrated to the point where we make
threats we would never carry out; this was one of those moments for
Tarrant.
Nor do I believe that any of them--Avon, Cally, Tarrant--would have
spaced Vila, but I feel badly that Vila apparently believed it could
happen.
>I'm not sure about nice people. They are a group who get along pretty well
>together, despite all the petty bickering. They appreciate each others
>talents and accept (to a certain extent) each others falabilities.
Well said. That's a great overview of crew dynamics.
>Here I am defending Tarrant, one day I may even get to
>quite like the fellow. Now if only I didn't have to put on sunglasses when
>he smiled.<g>
:) Thanks for the much appreciated comments.
Carol McCoy
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:25:22 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
To: B7 <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon and Blake
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Helen sez: > Avon-haters say he has no morals, no ability to care for
anyone, enjoys> killing Blake and planning to space Vila.
Except for the enjoying killing Blake bit, us Avon Adorers say the same.
Helen also sez: I think Avon likes Blake way better than he'd like
another Avon!
My reading of the character is that he actually likes Blake a lot more
than he likes himself.
Fran M
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:25:39 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
To: B7 <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] errata
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Alison sez:
> I must say people on both lists are> always very kind to me about my infelicities with naming and remembering> details,
On the other hand, your spelling is delightful - Malodour is a perfect
name for a planet with a methane atmosphere!
Fran M
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:26:42 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
To: B7 <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] NZ
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> I'm a proud New Zealander - possibly the only person on the
> list who doesn't automatically think NZ=Neutral Zone :)
C'mon, mate! There's several Aussies on this list! We even know that
you are a separate country to us!
Fran M
Fran M
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:26:00 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
To: B7 <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] costumes
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Did Jenna and Cally fight over the clothes on the Liberator?
I don't know, but the lack of the Liberator clothes room explains a lot
about what Soolin and Dayna wore...
(Sorry, Lindley! Mind you the Goddess did look great in grey catsuits)
Fran M
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:12:54 -0600
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: naming servers
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>>>> Hmm, I suppose this would be a bad time to admit I named our primary
>>>> server Orac?
>>>>
>> Other names used (aside from the dreaded NT_EDI, etc...) Rasputin and
>> Pertwee. Tee-Hee
>> The great thing is that no one gets it (aside from Rasputin).
>>
>> Reuben
>
> But do they know that Tom Baker played Rasputin? (And having
>compared a picture of him in the part with the real Rasputin, the
>similarity in appearance was unnerving.)
>
LOL
When I was in college I worked as the lead computer tech in a large national
retail chain. Our monitors always faced out to the floor so everyone could
see them, and it was directly across from security. I created a swirl
background (kinda a futuristic take on Tom's opening credits) and pasted a
cut out of his face as Rasputin (the one with the really buggy eyes) into it
and used it as the wall paper. Security made me take it down after a week
because they couldn't shake the notion it was staring at them. So I
replaced it with a cutout of Jon Pertwee from some comedy where he had buggy
eyes and a real long beard. This didn't make them much happier but they let
me keep it.
Just as a total off topic side note, has anyone else noticed that all the
actors that played Doctors at one time or another have done some outrageous
characters that look, well, just silly?
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:08:20 GMT
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, ay648@yfn.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: [B7L] Apology
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> From ay648@yfn.ysu.edu Fri Feb 27 15:29:25 1998
> Moving right along to moments in the Vila-Tarrant relationship that
> show Vila held no grudges/had no hard feelings...
This, I think, is the key point: Vila doesn't hold grudges. It makes sense -
he's been pushed around constantly ("All my life there've been people like
you"), and growing up like that he had to learn to just let it wash over him or
he'd have become a bitter, nasty misanthrope.
> For instance, Vila seems to have made it a habit of saving Tarrant's
> life in fourth season. He gets Tarrant out of the underground base
> in "Rescue." He takes a tire iron to the android in "Headhunter,"
> when it is attempting to squeeze the life out of Tarrant. And one
> that is often overlooked is in "Power." After Pella dashes into
> the Scorpio silo and the door is closing behind her, Tarrant races
> to the door (to maybe try to pry it open again?). Vila--lock expert
> that he is--apparently realizes that a charge is going to burst
> from the door. He dashes after Tarrant, grabs him, and holds him
> back, preventing a crisping. (I personally think Vila was partially
> motivated by an opportunity to get his arms around Tarrant's slim
> waist, but that's diverting into topics that are better saved for
> another day. <g>) And we have to note that Vila is the only one
> who asks Avon about Tarrant in "Blake." It's as if Vila has
> decided that Tarrant's welfare has become his personal reponsibility.
I'm not sure Vila is really so much more concerned for Tarrant than he is for
the others. It's just that the others are better at self-preservation, whereas
Tarrant really needs help to mitigate his heroic/suicidal impulses.
As for "Blake": I always took that to be a flashback to "Orbit". Vila notices
Tarrant is missing, recalls the last time Avon was stuck with someone else on a
crashing spacecraft and imagines the worst.
Iain
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:44:16 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] YKYBWFFTMB7W...
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At 02:14 AM 2/28/98 +1100, you wrote:
>You start posing significantly after every movement.
>You prefer computers to people.
>You spin around and shoot if someone speaks behind you.
>You use unnatural pauses in your sentences to show off your beautiful
>voice.
>You start to hate handsome, toothy, curlytops who are young.
>
>Guess who I identify with?
Ummmmmm........No, you're going to have to tell me. <vbg>
>
>Fran
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:45:18 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Alphas
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>BTW, anyone think that Avon may be from the Blackadder line? They seemed
>to grow more competent with each century, while staying selfish.
Yes, but the futuristic Blackadder descendant resembled Travis a whole lot
more than he did Avon.
--
- Lisa
work: <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com> home: <lcw@dallas.net>
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:03:35 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] costumes
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At 03:26 AM 2/28/98 +1100, you wrote:
>Did Jenna and Cally fight over the clothes on the Liberator?
>
LOL. I was just wondering this myself. I can imagine a good old catfight,
all the guys cheering them on, maybe Vila running a book, and Blake and
Avon as their respective seconds.<g>
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:26:37 EST
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 98-02-27 09:40:11 EST, you write:
<< Women on top. Most definately. >>
I always admired the way the Romans did things...... D. Rose
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:50:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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Actually, I did hesitate between MPD and schizophrenia in
describing the difference between what the Snarly One says and
what he does. However, if he has multiple personality disorder,
there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between/among his
personalities as far as I can tell. On the other hand, my
brother is a schizophrenic, and he definitely reminds me of Avon.
Inappropriate affect, inappropriate behavior, all an overlay for
an enormous amount of pain. I am not saying MPD's don't suffer
pain. Just saying I can't see Avon as one. Actually, though,
Avon acts as if he's monopolar clinically depressed. That barely
controlled rage he displays is very familar to me (that was my
own genetic prize). And someone suggested autism. Interesting
idea. Avon having to "imitate" what "normal" people do and say.
Servalan with a box of puppies -- are you trying to make me
run away screaming? We'll call it "When Spot Howls?" It doesn't bear
thinking about. Patti
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:27:21 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 and Meyers-Brigs
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On Thu, Feb 26, 1998 at 11:24:05PM -0000, Alison Page wrote:
> I like Katharine's analysis of Avon and Cally, which seem spot on to me. I
> would say Avon is defintely INTJ - wants to be certain, happy with answers.
For a moment there, I was wondering what Katharine Woods had said
about Avon and Cally - and then I realized, reading further down, that
Alison was talking about *me*! Please, I'm *Kathryn*, not Katharine!
Um, thanks for your appreciation, despite getting my name wrong.
> > Blake, I think, is ENFP. Extroverted, understands people and is
> > motivated by his feelings. Just because he is *intelligent* enough
> > to carry on analytical conversations with Avon, doesn't mean he's a T.
>
> I would say ENFJ because he too has answers rather than questions. He has
> inner certainty, misplaced or otherwise. ENFJ is the 'guru' figure (IMHO)
> which is Blake down to the ground. ENFP is the court jester.. I don't mean
> jester like Vila, out for a laugh, but jester like in King Lear, or like
> ....uh.. Lenny Bruce or Ben Elton.
>
> > I put him as a P because he isn't as much of a planner as Avon. Not a
> > *strong* P, but he tends not to think in the long-term, tends to
> > improvise more and so on. (Pressure Point is a classic case).
>
> A good point but I think when it comes to ideals Blake isn't winging it,
> he's the Man With The Plan. OK it's a crap plan, but he hasn't realised
> that yet.
But he isn't really so much the Man With The Plan, because he hasn't
thought about what he would do Afterwards. If he *is* a J, he isn't a
strong J. If he is a P, he isn't a strong P.
> BTW I like what Katharine says about people maturing into compensating for
> their own faults. I think that was Jung's belief, and after all he invented
> the underlying theory. However I was absolutely delighted to discover
> the ENTP faults listed all over the web. Brilliant! At last the perfect
> excuse for being lazy, feckless, aggressive, easily discouraged, bored with
> details.. It's the best news I've had this year. My advice to those
> finding their type is forget the strengths - you know those anyway - just
> enjoy the weaknesses.
I assume you are joking?
That, of course, is just the danger that I was talking about - putting
yourself in a box and not moving out of it.
Kathryn Andersen
(19 days to takeoff!)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"The trouble with these international affairs is that they attract foreigners."
-- Lord Raunsley
(Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines)
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:37:14 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Vila (was Re: [B7L] Apology)
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On Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 04:08:20PM +0000, Iain Coleman wrote:
> > From ay648@yfn.ysu.edu Fri Feb 27 15:29:25 1998
>
> > Moving right along to moments in the Vila-Tarrant relationship that
> > show Vila held no grudges/had no hard feelings...
> This, I think, is the key point: Vila doesn't hold grudges. It makes
> sense - he's been pushed around constantly ("All my life there've been
> people like you"), and growing up like that he had to learn to just
> let it wash over him or he'd have become a bitter, nasty misanthrope.
Brilliant point! Never thought about this before, but you're right.
There is no way he could afford, in his life, to hold grudges. It's
resignation to his lot in life, not resentment. (I used to say,
regarding running races at school, "Well, somebody's gotta come last,
so it might as well be me, because I'm used to it, so I can cope with
that better than other people...")
I think, now that I think about it, that one reason why Vila loves to
boast about his lock-cracking ability is that it's one of the few
things that he has confidence in himself about, so he has to make the
most of it. A thief isn't what he is, it's who he is - partly because
he choses to make that self-identification because it's his best path
to self-esteem.
Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Any very talented person could have done it."
-- Vila Restal (Blake's 7: Seek - Locate - Destroy [A6])
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:19:18 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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On Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 03:50:00PM -0800, PATTI McCLELLAN wrote:
> Actually, I did hesitate between MPD and schizophrenia in
> describing the difference between what the Snarly One says and
> what he does. However, if he has multiple personality disorder,
> there isn't a hell of a lot of difference between/among his
> personalities as far as I can tell. On the other hand, my
> brother is a schizophrenic, and he definitely reminds me of Avon.
> Inappropriate affect, inappropriate behavior, all an overlay for
> an enormous amount of pain. I am not saying MPD's don't suffer
> pain. Just saying I can't see Avon as one. Actually, though,
> Avon acts as if he's monopolar clinically depressed. That barely
> controlled rage he displays is very familar to me (that was my
> own genetic prize). And someone suggested autism. Interesting
> idea. Avon having to "imitate" what "normal" people do and say.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
<Kathryn runs away screaming>
<No, actually, Kathryn doesn't run away, she just yells.>
Repeat after me.
Avon is not insane.
Avon is not insane.
Avon is not insane.
Avon is not insane.
Yes, I know a schizophrenic too. He was under medication, and he's a
*lot* better than he used to be, but when I first met him, he was a
scary person to be with, because you didn't know what he would
do next, or what he would say next. I mean, he'd carry on a normal
conversation for a while, then he would talk about something
completely unrelated, or get angry at you or someone else for no
fathomable reason. Avon isn't like that. Avon's just an INTJ under
stress.
Yes, he did some really stupid and really bad things. And he was
completely responsible for all of them.
Kathryn Andersen
(dreading the huge collation job in front of her...)
(still only 19 days to go!)
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"Tell him I've just worked out a completely new strategy -
it's called running away."
-- Vila Restal (Blake's 7: Seek - Locate - Destroy [A6])
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:07:50 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Reuben Herfindahl <reuben@reuben.net>
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Reuben Herfindahl wrote:
>
> Sorry to be so late on a follow up to this thread, but I just re-watched the
> episode last night. I started wondering that with the assumption that
> Orac's assessment that they must lose 70 Kilos would be obsolete rather
> quickly how much the cube actually weighed. Avon obviously had an enormous
> difficulty moving the cube by pushing it along a perfectly flat surface.
> When one also takes into account all that they had thrown off the ship
> already, it must of weighed a heck of a lot. Any guesses on it's weight,
> remembering that Avon could only push X Kilos.
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Reuben
> reuben@reuben.net
> http://www.reuben.net
One point, bet he pushed a lot more than we think he can. He's got a
small-medium physique, _but_ probably had the same kind of adreniline
levels that allow grannies to lift Volkswagons, and you know that his
willpower is incredible.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:12:26 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu
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Carol McCoy brought up many instances in which Vila has saved Tarrant,
which brings an interesting question to my mind-- is Vila codependant?
He seems deeply attatched to those who give him no respect.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:21:00 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: PATTI McCLELLAN <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
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> Just saying I can't see Avon as one. Actually, though,
> Avon acts as if he's monopolar clinically depressed.
Definitely what I would have picked. And sometimes, maybe, bipolar
swings? You know, when he gets worked up and makes big speeches in the
4th season?
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:02:05 EST
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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In a message dated 98-02-27 20:51:10 EST, you write:
<< One point, bet he pushed a lot more than we think he can. He's got a
small-medium physique, _but_ probably had the same kind of adreniline
levels that allow grannies to lift Volkswagons, and you know that his
willpower is incredible. >>
I would think there would be a weight limit to the cube due to the
friction factor. Out of perverseness, I've slid some lifting weights across
the floor, and 50 pounds is reasonabley easy. However, the cube being smaller
gives less surface area to push against, and has added friction. My best
guestiment would be in the neighborhood of 120-140 kilos maximum. Any
mathmaticians? D. Rose
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:39:16 -0600
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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Patti said:
>> Servalan with a box of puppies -- are you trying to make me
run away screaming? We'll call it "When Spot Howls?" It doesn't bear
thinking about.<<
But they've already *done* 101 Dalmatians...
Lorna B.
"You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite."
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:03:36 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
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Lorna B. wrote:
>
> Patti said:
> >> Servalan with a box of puppies -- are you trying to make me
> run away screaming? We'll call it "When Spot Howls?" It doesn't bear
> thinking about.<<
>
> But they've already *done* 101 Dalmatians...
>
> Lorna B.
> "You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite."
Hee, hee, you're stealing my idea. I have a Klingon character named
Dracqueline Fierce (no stretch to figure out where that name comes from)
with a much more evolved fashion sense than the avergae Klingon. I've
been working on a "Cruella DeVille" style outfit for her complete with
Dalmation robes, and whole stuffed tribble accessories.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:06:49 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
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Subject: [B7L] Groupie names
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More "club names" ideas came to mind today.
For Soolin: "Soolin's Lovably Unique Team" S.L.U.T. (my husband's idea,
actually)
For ORAC: "Orac's Representatives Greatly Advocating Superior Minds"
O.R.G.A.S.M.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:29:24 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re: Cally and Jenna)
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D. Rose wrote:
> << Because the Blake's 7 universe depicts a pretty sexist future? >>
> this is one of the more interesting ascpects of the series. On the one
> hand, the series under-utilizes the potentially powerful characters like
> Jenna,Cally, and Dayna. On the ohter hand, there are the likes of Servalan(a
> poster-child for natural selection), Avalon, Soolin, even Scorpio.
Is Scorpio a girl? How can you tell? Sure, Liberator had 3 phallic
appendages, but...
> This is a
> universe where the men think they are in charge, but where the women usually
> are the ones really on top.
Oh! You mean Cancer!
Is Cancer a girl? Or perhaps the android of Vinnie's dreams?
What a splendid villian! A thing of venom and wiles; vile. When
gloating, a voice to cut glass. Was her demise not the most satisfying
moment of your day? I can watch her die time and again, ROFL. That final
shriek is a moment to make a Diva green. Give Cancer the prize for
overacting. Surely she beats out even the Goddess of Understatement,
Soolin - for her shining death scene - overacted to the max - as shot,
she slowly falls, twisting downward, twirling, twirling, twirling...
:D Who else has favorite "ham it up" moments?
Pat P
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:43:00 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Sue C/NWOutsider wrote:
> Well, it also _reflects_ a pretty sexist culture. 8-) In some
> ways, B7 is better than average for its time (and, regrettably for the 90s
> as well), but in other ways hopelessly stuck in unfortunate stereotypes.
And always will be until fem get aggressive, which is unlikely, looking
back at thousands of years of history. Look at who led the civil rights
marches - black men. Look at who led the anti-war rallys - peacenik men.
I don't mean to start arguements over *why* women are the underdogs of
human society. But continuing the status quo does seem more likely than
assuming that longtime human behavior will change soon. The women in
this series are as hard or as soft as their past and present lives make
them.
> My impression of it is this: in the first two seasons, Jenna and Cally
> start off strong, then get wimped out, but there are frequently strong
> women in major roles elsewhere in the story (Fen, Kasabi, Avalon, and
> so on). In the third and fourth season, the crew women fare a little
> better (although Dayna declines quite a bit once she gets on Liberator)
dang! couldn't we just go back and visit with her on Sarran? Perhaps a
charming afternoon out bowhunting hairy barbarians?
> but there's a serious weakness of other women in the stories. Not only
> are there fewer of them, but the roles are more restricted and less
> complex (most are evil and shortly dead, most are sexualized).
>
In all fairness, most of the men are sexualized, too. For males, this is
portrayed a hunkliness.
Hunksters: Jarvik, Travis I, er... and all Studs in Black Leather. Plus
all hairy barbarians (none of whom compare to Ares, the God of War in
Xena, Warrior Princess. What a studmuffin *sigh*
B7 Boy Toys: Ray, the consort in Gambit.
B7 Grl Toys: Soolin (ouch! suffers lightning zap from the Goddess)- I
mean, at first, with the geritol-man.
Pat P
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:49:16 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, space-city@europe.std.com
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NWOutsider wrote:
Everyone's in top form this week, but Sue, you have outdone yourself
this time.
> Some suggestions for fan clans in search of names:
> Vilans
> Daynuts
> Jentiles
> Travisties
> Ganders
> Servalan's Elite Xterminators
>
I especially like the Ganders, because it creates a marvelous mental
image of these rotund, portly geese flying across vast airspace, doing
their feathered best to survive in a tough world with tools of only tiny
brains...
*sniff* gotta luv 'em
Pat P
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:57:03 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Blake
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sjk3@cornell.edu wrote:
> Does anyone remember the time a while ago when we had a "contest"
> for worst first line/story premise (whatever) and some of the winners
> involved a misty-eyed Avon surveying his friends in a field of gamboling
> unicorns and bunnies, or Servalan with a box of puppies? :-)
>
oh! oh! can we do it again?
who will be contest commissioner?
(not I, said the ratcat to Little Red Hen)
Pat P
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:50:46 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety
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Tramila wrote:
re:
> >shh! hush! Questioning Orac's unused capabilities will blow plot holes
> >in the Blakes7 universe bigger than blasts from a Tachyon Funnel!
> PAT!
> It's just a box of flashing lights. <hands on hips>
':o
But... but... at least *surely* the Easter Bunny is more than chocolate
glaze and marshmallow goo!
Pat P, proudly D.A.M.N.ed, bad-A.S.S., S.E.X.ed, full of V.I.C.E. and a
B.I.T.C.H. to boot.
also Acolyte at the Temple of the Golden Goddess Soolin (whose glory I
dare not cheapen with tawdry acronyms)
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:03:01 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety in Orbit
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Mary W O'Connor wrote:
> I have always agreed with the suggestion that a studded leather outfit
> weighs a hell of a lot and Avon should have removed it to reduce weight.
This needs to be pursued on the other list <drool>
> INTP - took the test, but not convinced. I will need to study the
> concept more. Perhaps I will try the other site and do the other test.
> If I don't have the time (reading all this mail keeps me busy)
> I'll just buy the book.
>
:D Mary, you are either a fantastically funny subtle humorist, or...
...a *CLASSIC* INTP!
I am ROFLing reading this golden nugget of prose, succinctly summarizing
the heart and soul and raison d'etre of an INTJ.
Pat P
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:31:02 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: b7spin: Space Opera
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Jenni-Alison wrote:
>
> I'm hoping that some of you Sci-Fi fans can enlighten me. I've seen
> various Science Fiction stories and TV shows described as Space
> Opera.
and all these years, I'd thought the term unique to B7 fandom.
> Now I took it as a derogatory term meaning sort of Soaps in
> Space.
I always interpreted it as "Drama in Space" (as opposed to "hardware
wars" scifi)
> ...and that too is described on the back cover by a reviewer as Space Opera.
See? Got a good thing, and every sleazy paperback rips it off.
> So my question is, what is Space Opera, is it a good or a bad thing
> to be described as such, and is there more than one type?
great question. I look forward to reading the consensus.
Pat p
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:13:37 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]Precious moments (Was Avon and Blake)
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> Sue wrote:
> > <snip> It's only a
> >matter of time before con art shows are overrun with Precious Moments
> >figurines of the characters. Oh, the humanity.
>
> Don't worry. I'm sure if this comes to pass others and I will conteract with
> Tragic Moments figurines(tm).* Yes, who wouldn't thrill to own they're very
> own version of the classic figurine "Togetherness" which depicts that final,
> touching moment in the episode "Blake". Or "Hide and Seek" showing what it's
> like to play this age-old game with Avon in a crashing shuttle.
>
I've already collected "Cuddle" showing the huddle in Dorian's deep &
cozy cellar.
And "True Love" depicting Avon's tender last moments with darling Anna.
How about "Sentinel" imortalizing Avon's brotherly stance over dying
buddy Blake.
And my favorite: "Wallflower" featuring the lovely Servalan in silver
bracelets.
> (Tragic Moments figurines are a registered trademark of Deep 13, Gismonics
> Institute. No infringement is meant.)
>
Pat P, proudly D.A.M.N.ed, bad-A.S.S., S.E.X.ed, full of V.I.C.E. and a
B.I.T.C.H. to boot.
also Acolyte at the Temple of the Golden Goddess Soolin (whose glory I
dare not cheapen with tawdry acronyms)
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:15:58 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna
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Katharine Woods wrote:
> No, I blame the script writer for clamping a cliche to her lips that
> apparently sucks her brains out. And why should this alien being respond
> in the same way as an Avon groupie? :-) Why should an alien respond to
> human pheromones even if she's occupying someone who does (maybe)?
>
not maybe; surely! The Alien "spirit" inhabited Cally's fully alive
body. Riding it like a horse, if you will. But suddenly that horse is
grabbed and seduced with something it loves: sweet apples. The rider is
thrown; temporarily at least overpowered or rendered powerless.
If Cally loved Avon (as many fen propose) then this turn of events would
send her hormones into overdrive. That could well distract the alien
from her intent.
Remember, too, that this being had been locked in an egg for a looooong
time. Recall her speech about the horror of lying alone, sentinent,
bodiless, *yet aware* for so long. Now, she is awash in sensuality again
after having those pleasures so long denied. Sight, sound, smell,
hormonal surges - all of them precious to experience.
Ever spend a long time in the blackness of a cave? When you emerge and
your eyes fall upon the bright splendour of the natural world and all
its richness, the emotional response to the beauty is astounding.
Pat P
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:40:06 +1030
From: "Lindley" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Julia Jones" <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] If you give me your attention,
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{Julia Jones}:
>> I hope the proper worship of Soolin has
>> been conducted in my absence...
>
>'Fraid not. We really needed a Soolin acolyte to balance the BITCHes,
>ASSes, Tarrant Nostra and occasional Gan Fan.
What? Have the Dark Forces truly been
inactive during my absence? Let me declare
that teh Temple of the Gunfighting Goddess Soolin,
her Amazonian Acolyte Dayna, and her Holy
Hairstylist Vila is not so easily destroyed.
>*Dayna*, an unattractive, braindead, unthreatening drip? Are you quite
>sure you're well again? Oh, all right, she did get wimped out by the
>fourth series, but she started out a lot better.
Mea culpa.
I forgot it was my charmingly naive
and bloodthirsty Amazon who first suffered
a remarkable visual disturbance in regard
to the sexy nerdy one. But, surely, not
taking advance of a raving loony with
sheer killing power when you're suffering
from concussion is hardly evidence of
morality, chivalry or anything else but
feeling nauseous?
>> funny to watch our Macho Men swanning
>> around trying to impress that little miss.
>
>Especially Mr "I have full control of my emotions, I am not controlled
>by my glands".
<giggle> Of course, being all intellectual
and repressed is another sign of male
superioority - especially when the object
of desire is swooning and sobbing all over
the place.
>> Which would you pick - the dashing idiot
>> pilot or the cold intellectual poser?
>
>Definitely the cold intellectual poser.
Mm. Out of a field of two, me too.
> Or
>> the cool, brainy blonde in the background?
>
>If it was a cool, brainy blond, maybe. But blondes aren't my thing.
Limiting. <smile>
>Oh, I don't know, enough times with Tarrant going down-diddly-down-down
>and I did eventually start to see some point to A/T stories...
<spurt of laughter> I'm not sure if that was
what Blackadder had in mind... Or maybe
he did.
XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:28:55 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schizophrenic
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>Repeat after me.
>Avon is not insane.
I agree; I don't think Avon comes anywhere *near* qualifying for any major
psychotic or mood disorder. Some minor stuff maybe, like cyclothymia or a
personality disorder or two, but a good chunk of the population can rack up
a couple of those. Mostly he's just a crabby guy who doesn't much like the
way his life is going.
--
- Lisa
home: <lcw@dallas.net> work: <lwilliams@mcopn1.dseg.ti.com>
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:12:37 -0600
From: Reuben Herfindahl <reuben@reuben.net>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Trying for converts
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I have a confession to make. Like many people when I drink too much I
do silly things. My latest bout is only mildly regrettable, but quite
sad or silly depending on how you look at it. I guess I've done it
about twice now. I'll get in a conversation about TV and how what's on
today really stinks and how it's not worth watching, and then I'll start
talking about this really amazing TV show that is gritty reality like
nothing on TV today, then I will invariably drag out the tape and submit
the poor party goers to The Way Back or the final moments of Blake,
explaining the signifigance of it all as we go along. All this at 2 or
3 in the morning.
IS this another one of those YKYBWTMB7W? Or is it just a sign that I'm
losing it.
Reuben
reuben@reuben.net
http://www.reuben.net
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