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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 65
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Weapons at Deliverance
Re: [B7L] Apology
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
[B7L] Backtracking to Horizon
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna
Re: [B7L] re: safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
Re: [B7L] B7 and Meyers-Brigs
Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
Re: [B7L] Re Space Island One
Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs Testing
Re: [B7L] Safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna and Imipak
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs and Deliverance
Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs Testing
Re: [B7L] re: safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Alphas
Re: [B7L] If you give me your attention,
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant)
Re: [B7L] filk
[B7L] A little added levity for Pat.
Re: [B7L] YKYBWTMB7W
[B7L] Pat's hurting teeth
Re: [B7L] re: safety
Re: [B7L] Apology
Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs Testing
Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
[B7L] Re: Safety
[B7L] Avon and Blake
[B7L] re: safety
[B7L] Re: Sarcophagus
[B7L] Android?
RE: [B7L] Pictures
Re: [B7L] re: safety
Re: [B7L] Pictures
Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs and Deliverance
Re: [B7L] re: safety
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant)
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:57:25 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Louise Rutter wrote:
>
> Judith, fear not! The weapons rule at Deliverance ends with the proviso:
> "Of course, if in the best B7 tradition, it actually looks like a hairdryer
> or curling tongs, that's fine."
I should hope so! Heavy book? You could do more damage with a plastic,
rubber bulb-top roast baster than with a Liberator gun.
Pat P
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:08:38 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Jacquelyn Taylor wrote:
>
> Tramila wrote:
> > I've been told that the list is full of INTJ's and INTP's but that there is
> > not a huge Vila following. Could it be that the Vila fans are in the E's
> > category like me? (I'm an ESFJ.)
> Tramila, I'm very sorry to have posted what I did with the venom that I
> did.
> no, no! That wasn't venom. I explained privately to Tramila that on this list, arguements are waged by citing full chapter and verse to defend your position.
> By no means did I mean to frighten you back into lurking!
You poor, deluded grrl. Insert "Rambo/Col. Troutman" line here: "I'm not
here to protect her; I'm here to protect you."
> I'm normally a very nice person. Harmless, even.
But I know you cook up batches of "EVIL" in that microwave that travels
with you. (Time Bandits joke)
> And Pat Patera knows me and can assure you this is so. Pat? Hello?
You want a public acknowledgement from an "I" ? yipes!
> Oh now c'mere. Lemme hug you. Y'wuss :-).
*sigh* This is what happens when we let those Vila-loving EFs on the
list. First one, then all their smoochy relations swarm aboard the boat
and invade the frigid shores of NT-land. Next thing you know, Avon won't
shoot Anna, he won't shoot Blake, he won't stalk Vila, he won't bait
Tarrant, he won't dis Vila... and then where will our "love those nasty
boys on Blakes7" list be?
Pat P
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:49:26 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test
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Jay wrote:
> ><Tramila looks over to Pat Patera and cries out for her hand to be held
> >because she is truly scared.>
> I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support.
>
As an INTJ, may I just say that all this hand holding and hugging is
making my teeth hurt.
Pat P
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:06:37 +1000
From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk> (by way of Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Backtracking to Horizon
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Narrelle says
>I've just watched 'Horizon' for the first time in about ten years and was
reminded of the recent
> discussion about Avon not leaving the others behind and going down to
> rescue them all again.
>
> It struck me that between asking Orac if he could survive alone and even
> *looking* like he was going to leave there was a reasonable amount of time.
> he didn't just say "Oh, righty-ho, then, let's bugger off" - he seemed to
> be thinking about it for a few minutes, anyway.
>
> And then he gets the message that the pursuit ships are on their way. Not
> *there* yet, mind you - the message states that they are two and a bit
> hours away. Plenty of time for his to fire up the engines and take off
> like a rat up an aquaduct.
>
> But... he laughs. ANd he prepares. And he kits up and gets them all out.
> Far from being cornered so he *has* to get them because he can't survive on
> his own, he has made a deliberate choice to go down. He doesn't even know
> if they're alive.
>
> I asked Tim what his take on that sequence was, and he replied: "I assumed
> the laugh was just at his sense of irony. He knows he has a little over
> two hours before the ships arrive, so circumstances have given him a time
> limit. He's got time to go down and try to save the others, and he can
> still choose to teleport back up in plenty of time to get away. He's been
> thinking he probably *should* go down, and now he can't dither any more."
>
> That's a bit of a paraphrase, to say the least, but I think I have the gist
> of it.
>
> I think that Avon is laughing at himself, because he find he's made the
> decision to go off after them. His sense of irony and a certain amount of
> self-deprecation (which he was not otherwise often known for).
This is my interpretation of Avon's laugh in this episode.
Although Orac tells him that he can survive on his own, he finds
that he doesn't 'want' to. He realises that he needs companionship
which he regards as sentimentality. So he laughs at himself for
'indulging' in an emotion which he would normally scorn at.
Cylan
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:29:22 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: PATTI McCLELLAN <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
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> Anyhow, Carol McCoy won't be surprised to see me post this
> comment about Avon shoving a gun in Tarrant's belly. I still
> maintain that it is possible from the evidence to show that Avon
> did that to protect the crew -- to finally alienate them enough
> to let him go down and take what was probably the biggest risk
> he'd ever taken on the remotest chance that Blake really was on
> Terminal. Didn't slow Tarrant down much, did it?
DEFINITELY! Avon threatened them to protect them. He figured there was
every chance of it being a trap, and they would still be able to get
away if he didn't come back. If he just wanted to go solo, he would've
left them someplace, so he could control ORAC and the Liberator.
Trouble is, Tarrant and the others knew him well enough to believe he'd
threatened them because he didn't want them to run the risks he
anticipated. So, they chose to follow him believing he was trying to
protect them by nnot letting them follow him. It's really very sweet.
Hey! I just said something nice about Tarrant!
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:33:38 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Katharine Woods <kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna
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>
> Cylan wrote of the alien being in Sarcophagus being overwhelmed by
> Avon's kiss:
>
> > Well, do you blame her, I'd turn to jelly too!
>
> No, I blame the script writer for clamping a cliche to her lips that
> apparently sucks her brains out. And why should this alien being respond
> in the same way as an Avon groupie? :-) Why should an alien respond to
> human pheromones even if she's occupying someone who does (maybe)?
>
I interpreted it to be that she had a soft spot for the Avon-figure from
her past... and that she was aroused as well as infuriated by his
refusal to submit... and that Cally had the hots for Avon and was
showing through as well... and that she didn't think about his hand
being on her ring.
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:37:28 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
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> However this has raised another question. Orac managed to get the 2nd
> DSV to self destruct (Redemption) by *remote controll* or something. So
> how come he did`nt eject Vila himself? or Avon? OR! I assume he was
> left on board the shuttle while Avon and Vila talked to Egrorian. So
> how come he did not *see* (either with the ships inboard or external
> sensors) what Pinder was actually loading onto the ship?
This is the computer that wanted to get a close up look at a black
hole... if his scientific curiousity is going, so much for safety
margins. I think he was studying Avon's psychology. Think he would've
'fessed about the real problem if Avon _found_ Vila?
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:51:25 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
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> Nicola (whose mind is a maze of twisty little passages, all alike)
>
Nicola, the BBC wants you. They want to do a CAT scan and save money on
sets. (One thing, does your mind have woobly walls?)
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:58:56 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com
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> Well they don't want a Malosynchronous orbit, they want an orbit that is
> congruent with Liberator's to allow teleport. However, we might be able to
> assume that to do a teleport to a planet, because of the reasons given (low
> relative velocity), the Liberator has to always go into geosynchronous
> orbit. Unfortunately, in various episodes they make fast passes at planets,
> getting just within teleport range, doing a 'port and leaving again very
> fast, and you generally can't do that and get a zero-relative-velocity
> lock. So there goes that idea. Actually - damn, there goes the whole
> premise of the ep! Hmmmm... I don't have any good solutions. The only other
> idea is that Zen has to be able to accurately predict the movements. Except
> that if Avon just turns the engines off, they'll go completely ballistic,
> and there are few easier movements to predict. Pass.
>
Glad to know I'm not crazy. Seemed to me there were all kinds of motions
involved in previous teleports.
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:00:58 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
CC: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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> I've been saying for
> years that I liked Avon not for the usual lust-after reason, but
> because I found in him a kindred spirit, and I now have proof that I
> was right! I'm an INTJ. Okay, so some people think that Avon is an
> INTP, but, hey, I'm not a *strong* J. Why did I take the test 4
> times? Because some of the questions were very much toss-of-the-coin
> in my first-and-second preferences. Three times, I came up INTJ. The
> fourth time, I came up INFJ. Which is what I reckon Cally is. So
> that explains why I like Cally too - I'm like Cally! My NF and NT
> comes up about equal, actually. So I'm a wonderful and fascinating
> person, but then you all knew that, didn't you? (Sorry, I'm just
> feeling blissful that I now understand why I channel Avon so well.
> And Cally. And I'm of a rare and valuable personality type, whichever
> one I am. Whee!)
>
Sounds like we have a LOT in common.-- Avona
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:30:09 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: pussnboots@geocities.com
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Pat Patera wrote:
>
> Jay wrote:
> > ><Tramila looks over to Pat Patera and cries out for her hand to be held
> > >because she is truly scared.>
> > I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support.
> >
> As an INTJ, may I just say that all this hand holding and hugging is
> making my teeth hurt.
> Pat P
As another INTJ, but not strongly typed, I wink at Jay and Tramila.
Then, in my best Avon voice, "Perhaps Pat should consider extraction?"
Avona
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:37:21 -0600
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
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Helen said:
>Trouble is, Tarrant and the others knew him well enough to believe he'd
>threatened them because he didn't want them to run the risks he
>anticipated. So, they chose to follow him believing he was trying to
>protect them by nnot letting them follow him. It's really very sweet.
>Hey! I just said something nice about Tarrant!
Hooray! Give that woman a cigar. Or something... :-)
Lorna B.
"You ever flown a flying saucer? After that, sex seems trite."
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:12:08 EST
From: ShilLance@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 98-02-25 16:59:12 EST, you write:
<< Tom said: "Don't worry - you join most of Britland, since most
of us don't get satellite. I think we'll all be suffering in silence
for a while yet (unless it turns out to be rubbish)"
Yes, it's sad that. And given the relationship between satellite
and terrestrial, I think it unlikely that one of the main five
stations in the UK will consider taking it for some time and it
might, like other good series, get lost in the depths of time
subject only to the odd mention in trivia quizzes (What was that
programme called again?)
Sad, because it is turning out good. Tonight's episode was quite
amusing (and weirdly called Sarcophagus, given that last
week's episode bore more than a passing resemblance to the B7
episode of the same name). The guest star tonight was Tim
Woodward who I sort of know. Not as a close friend, but we
once used the same pub and occassionally chatted over a pint.
Maybe Sky will sell it to the USA and it'll take off and come
back over here on terrestrial. Remember, I told you about it
first. >>
Just wondering. Sci fi channel in the US is playing an old(?) BBC serial
called Moon Base Three. From a quick glance, it appears to be a realistic
take on space travel and the involved mechanics and politics. Is Space Island
One similar?
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:11:51 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> If we're only one % of the population, why do we seem common on this
> list?
> 1. Our numbers are undercounted.
> 2. INTJs gravitate to Blake's 7. It's our kind of show.
> 3. B7 influences us to be INTJs,
wow.
Door No. 3
is scaaary!
It was pointed out during the initial thread that INTs tend to cluster
in techy fields, so many of them are accustomed to cutting edge computer
gear - hence have internet access.
Pat P
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:15:00 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety
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NWOutsider wrote:
>"As we suspected! Active ingredient: eye of troll."
*gasp*! That perfectly describes Blake in Blake
Troll: a great, scary, hulking, deformed character, capable of malicious
mischief resulting in great bodily harm.
...
> Sue, unable to locate the character Pat was decribing in my set of Blake's
> 7 tapes.
That's cuz you gave up too soon. Watch all the way to the very last ep,
to Blake.
Actually, tho Blake was my favorite character when I watched the series
first time through, hordes of Avon fans corrupted me over the years. But
now I adore the Blake Blake. What excellent potential this character
has! I truly wish more fanfic would feature the "real" 5th season Blake.
Pat P
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:50:16 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Cally and Jenna and Imipak
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> I'll have Imipak in my handbag, but I think we'll be arrested if we do any
> marking. Maybe in Bay 10?
>
Nobody need know.
Until the ransom notes begin.
Pat P
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:05:50 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Judith Proctor wrote:
> I looked at the rules on 'Rebel hunt' which said
> <snip> Of course, if in the best B7
> > tradition, it actually looks like a hairdryer or curling tongs, that's fine."
Envision Servalan, curling tongs in hand, an evil red telltale inset in
its steel collar, a baleful glowing eye signifying the searing heat of
this instrument of torment. Slowly, lovingly, a gloating gleam in her
eye, she touches the burning rod to rebel <insert rebel of choice here>
flesh...
And I shudder to think how deadly My Steel Queen could be with a
hairdryer! ':o
Pat P
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:17:41 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Katharine Woods wrote:
> And on the subject of YKWYBWTMB7W, I vote Servalan's red dress in Gambit
> as best wedding gown. And I have a Gan teddy bear.
A fannish friend of mine had several B7 bears: Vila bear, Avon bear, and
Servalan bear. But alas, she had no Blake bear. Upon presenting her with
a (mini, fake) white polar bear skin rug (complete with toothy head) I
asked, "How can you tell it's Blake bear?" As one, we answered, "Because
it's dead!"
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Pat P
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:38:15 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Jackie wrote:
> Orac has a yellow streak even more pronounced than Vila`s.
ha! his supreme arrogance makes Avon Miss Modesty by comparison
> So
> how come he did not *see* (either with the ships inboard or external
> sensors) what Pinder was actually loading onto the ship?
shh! hush! Questioning Orac's unused capabilities will blow plot holes
in the Blakes7 universe bigger than blasts from a Tachyon Funnel!
Panicked Pat P
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:49:02 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Alphas
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Tom Forsyth wrote:
> Have I been quiet recently? I hadn't noticed. Apologies to all those who
> have gone into withdrawal symptoms from the lack of cheesy one-liners,
> terrible puns and off-topic wibbles from yours truly.
He only woke up at the thought of Tramila taking over this territory.
Pat P
PS - wibbles? aquatic web-footed tribbles?
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:36:00 -0800
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] If you give me your attention,
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> From: Lindley <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
I'm back and raring
> to talk B7.
Welcome back :--)
>
> I hope the proper worship of Soolin has
> been conducted in my absence...
'Fraid not. We really needed a Soolin acolyte to balance the BITCHes,
ASSes, Tarrant Nostra and occasional Gan Fan.
>
> [Julia Jones]
>
> <<Also the general reluctance to take advantage of young, innocent
females
> who think he's a god, beautiful, etc.>>
>
> But, darling, they were all such unattractive,
> braindead drips! *I* wouldn't have seduced
> them. I mean, there's a certain appeal in
> an unthreatening gf, but, really, there are
> limits.
>
*Dayna*, an unattractive, braindead, unthreatening drip? Are you quite
sure you're well again? Oh, all right, she did get wimped out by the
fourth series, but she started out a lot better.
> "Assassin" is up there with "Orbit" for my
> fave episode, because it is so screamingly
> funny to watch our Macho Men swanning
> around trying to impress that little miss.
Especially Mr "I have full control of my emotions, I am not controlled
by my glands".
> Which would you pick - the dashing idiot
> pilot or the cold intellectual poser?
Definitely the cold intellectual poser.
Or
> the cool, brainy blonde in the background?
If it was a cool, brainy blond, maybe. But blondes aren't my thing.
> [Re brave young pilots: "I don't care how
> many times they go up-diddly-up-up or
> down-diddly-down-down, they're still gits."]
>
<snigger>
Oh, I don't know, enough times with Tarrant going down-diddly-down-down
and I did eventually start to see some point to A/T stories...
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:36:20 -0800
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>, ay648@yfn.ysu.edu
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant)
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> From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
>
> > A cold-blooded killer would
> > have been able to shoot an android in the back without a qualm.
>
> I never thought of myself as a cold-blooded killer, but I don't
think
> of shooting an android as killing. Or do you mean the android has
> feelings, dreams, a basically human mind?
Do androids dream of electric sheep?
It's specifically stated that the android probably doesn't realise that
it is one - it thinks of itself as human. It certainly passes the
Turing test even when someone's riding along in its mind. It's only in
the analysis afterwards that Dayna realises what's wrong.
What's your definition of murder - killing something that's genetically
human, or permanently shutting down a sentient being?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:35:43 -0800
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] filk
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> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
> PPS. Anyone else bringing any instruments this year? I had a flute
for company
> last time and I think somebody produced a recorder. Enthusiasm
counts for more
> than expertise. Anyone willing to sing the words scores bonus
points,
> especially if my voice goes again. And if you don't know the words,
I have some
> very low-price tapes for sale <evil grin>.
>
>
I'll bring the flute again, but I'm not so sure about the words. Of
some of your filks at least :->
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:27:08 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] A little added levity for Pat.
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>Jay wrote:
>> ><Tramila looks over to Pat Patera and cries out for her hand to be held
>> >because she is truly scared.>
>> I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support.
PatP wrote:
>As an INTJ, may I just say that all this hand holding and hugging is
>making my teeth hurt.
Tramila looks at Pat then gives a smile and bounces all of the channel to
add a headache to her other..........<oops> Sorry.
Tramila suddenly straightens up and walks quietly away. At the end of the
hall, she can't help herself and snickers.
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:48:43 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] YKYBWTMB7W
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YKYBWFFTMB7W...
...you say all the words as each character says them. <g>
...you wonder what Soma tastes like and if Vila will share some of his.
Tamila
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:45:51 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Pat's hurting teeth
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>> As an INTJ, may I just say that all this hand holding and hugging is
>> making my teeth hurt.
>> Pat P
Avona wrote:
>As another INTJ, but not strongly typed, I wink at Jay and Tramila.
>Then, in my best Avon voice, "Perhaps Pat should consider extraction?"
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
Or at least what Vila would say. "Pipe down, Pat. <perks up> <leer>
You're a pretty girl, Pat. Join me in a bottle of Soma and we can watch
Avon without him really seeing us do it." <passing Soma>
Tramila
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:56:48 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety
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>Jackie wrote:
>> Orac has a yellow streak even more pronounced than Vila`s.
Heh! Vila's not yellow! He's conservative and smarter than the others by
not getting involved. He knows when to lie low. Did Blake do that? Did
Avon? or even Tarrant? Vila's just smarter than the average B7 guy, he
is. Sure is. Anybody can see that!
>ha! his supreme arrogance makes Avon Miss Modesty by comparison
>> So how come he did not *see* (either with the ships inboard or external
>> sensors) what Pinder was actually loading onto the ship?
Panicked Pat P wrote:
>shh! hush! Questioning Orac's unused capabilities will blow plot holes
>in the Blakes7 universe bigger than blasts from a Tachyon Funnel!
PAT!
It's just a box of flashing lights. <hands on hips>
hehehe <Tramila runs faster tonight than all nights before it.>
Vila, my hero.
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:40:10 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Apology
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>> Oh now c'mere. Lemme hug you. Y'wuss :-).
Tramila takes the hugs again and smiles.
PatP wrote to Jacquelyn Taylor
>*sigh* This is what happens when we let those Vila-loving EFs on the
>list.
I resemble that remark.
> First one, then all their smoochy relations swarm aboard the boat
>and invade the frigid shores of NT-land.
Here we come to save the Daaaaaaay!
>Next thing you know, Avon won't shoot Anna, he won't shoot Blake, he won't
stalk Vila, he >won't bait Tarrant, he won't dis Vila...
Sounds like heaven to this SF
>....and then where will our "love those nasty boys on Blakes7" list be?
Better off. Safe. Sane. Having children. Being happy. Having a happy
ending. Growing to old age. Dropping more hormones than sense.
ect...ect....ect....
Tramila stops. WAIT! That doesn't sound like Avon and Vila or even Blake
and that other guy (Tramila smiles sweetly to Carol then runs like a bat
outta h*ll. You can't hurt me. We have a mutual friend.<g> <quiver in
fear> <---See, just like Vila.)
Tramila
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:01:09 -0800
From: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs Testing
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Pat P wrote:
>A fannish friend of mine had several B7 bears: Vila bear, Avon bear, and
>Servalan bear. But alas, she had no Blake bear. Upon presenting her with
>a (mini, fake) white polar bear skin rug (complete with toothy head) I
>asked, "How can you tell it's Blake bear?" As one, we answered, "Because
>it's dead!"
>hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Tramila takes Pat's hand. Run like Servalan is after you.
The B.I.T.C.H.s are on the way and if we get caught.......
I know!!! Vila can helps us hide. He knows all the good places.
Tramila grabs a bottle of Soma on the way to assure herself of Vila's
cooperation.
Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:35:42 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Safety
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Can I just thank anyone who has been following this thread who has
restrained themselves from telling me off for calling the 'Scorpio' the
'Liberator' in every one of my posts. I must say people on both lists are
always very kind to me about my infelicities with naming and remembering
details, particularly as the details of canon are so argued-over. Perhaps
you think I'm a hopeless case :-) You're right.
Alison
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:08:26 GMT
From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Safety
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Alison says: -
> So I will presume that stable orbit is less expensive in terms of fuel than
> escape from the gravity well, and can then be maintained indefinitely, and
> I will presume that achieving it is an easier
> piloting task than safe touchdown.
I was watching 'Games' last night and in this episode Tarrant has to
pilate a flight simulator. Near the end of the game the computer
states that he can choose between achieving a stable orbit or landing
on the planet. It goes on to say that he will gain more points for
landing as this is harder than achieving orbit. Tarrant then goes on
to choose the orbit option. I assume that the flight simulator game
was closely modelled on real space craft and therefore that
achieving a stable orbit is an easier pilating option than a safe
touchdown.
Cylan
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:10:34 GMT
From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Avon and Blake
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Carol says: -
> I can sympathize with Blake fans who lost their favorite character after the
> second season; I'm not sure I would have even continued watching if it had been
> Avon who left.
I am sure that I wouldn't have continued watching B7 if Avon had left
Cylan
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:14:30 GMT
From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: safety
Message-ID: <194F1C53850@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>
Jackie said (about Orac): -
> how come he did`nt eject Vila himself? or Avon? OR! I assume he was
> left on board the shuttle while Avon and Vila talked to Egrorian. So
> how come he did not *see* (either with the ships inboard or external
> sensors) what Pinder was actually loading onto the ship?
If Orac can scan inside locked boxes (Head Hunter), why can't he scan
the ship for anything unusual that might be causing the problems with
lift-off?
Cylan
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:21:56 GMT
From: "Jane Elizabeth Macdonald" <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Sarcophagus
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Katharine wrote: -
> Cylan wrote of the alien being in Sarcophagus being overwhelmed by
> Avon's kiss:
>
> > Well, do you blame her, I'd turn to jelly too!
>
> No, I blame the script writer for clamping a cliche to her lips that
> apparently sucks her brains out. And why should this alien being respond
> in the same way as an Avon groupie? :-) Why should an alien respond to
> human pheromones even if she's occupying someone who does (maybe)?
AVON GROUPIE!!!!!!
But I must admit that you have a point here
Cylan
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:51:42 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Android?
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In a message dated 98-02-26 02:51:25 EST,Julia wrote
<< It's specifically stated that the android probably doesn't realise that
it is one - it thinks of itself as human. >>
Although Orac speculates that Deeta's killer is an android, is it possible
that it was instead a cyborg? What with the mind-wiping capabilities of the
Federation, I find it easier to think they re-programmed a human and augmented
his physical reactions, rather than built an android whose thoughts could fool
millions of people. If he were a non-combatant in his "prior" life, that would
account for the lack of combat instincts.
Any thoughts? D. Rose
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:49:25 +-100
From: Hanneke <yorick@tip.nl>
To: "'lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Pictures
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>I know Hanneke tends to lurk on this list, so I hope she doesn't mind me
>recommending this site, which she brought to our attention on the
>other
list.
http://www.meteo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/theorie/paul/blakes7.html
No, I don't mind. :)) Should have done this myself, of course.
Thanks, Alison.
Hanneke
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:13:05 -0500
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety
Message-ID: <199802261413.JAA21659@yfn.ysu.edu>
Jackie-me-Jackie are the quotes:
>> >After the bullying throughout the 3&4 seasons, I really don`t believe
>> >that Tarrant would commit suicide so that Vila could live.
>>
>> Please present examples of bullying and compare that to incidents
>> where Tarrant willingly risked his life for his shipmates, including
>> for Vila in "City at the Edge." When he realized Vila was in trouble,
>> he was determined to stay and find him even when Avon judged that the
>> risk factor had gone beyond acceptable levels.
>
>If you watch the very first few moments of "City at the Edge" you will
>see a very precise example of Tarrant bullying Vila.
You mentioned bullying throughout the third and fourth seasons, but
only come up with one example? And no mention of the balance when
Tarrant risked his life.
>Vila : You can`t make me go".
>Tarrant: No I can`t. But I can toss you off this ship. I don`t need
>you."
>
>Alittle further on in the arguement:
>
>Tarrant: "I can dump you anytime I like, the others would`nt stop me"
>
>at which time Vila agrees to go to Keezaarn.
Interesting sequence there. It's not until Tarrant mentions that
the others wouldn't stop him that Vila agrees to go. Why would
Vila believe that Avon and Cally would toss him off the ship?
Have they been bullying him as well?
>After Vila has gone down Avon warns Tarrant to stop picking on Vila.
Avon's warning came a bit late to help Vila. Why didn't he step
in sooner? That's always seemed rather hypocritical to me.
>Later on in the episode Avon and Tarrant are debating as to why Avon is
>the best choice to go down to search for Vila.
>
>Avon: "Vila knows howI feel about him."
>Tarrant: "You despise him."
>Avon: "Right. But at least I`m consistant about it."
>
>All of this *implies* that this is not an isolated incident for Tarrant
>to *pick on* Vila.
I don't get that interpretation at all. It's a typical Avon-Tarrant
war of words. If Tarrant did consistently pick on Vila, Vila would
hardly be on the friendly terms with him that we see most of the
time. Vila is not a cringing victim. When he gets really annoyed,
he shows it. Such as his attitude towards Avon after "Orbit," which
is still visible in "Blake." Vila had a golden opportunity to
rid himself of Tarrant in "Terminal." And instead he saved his hide.
Now if someone were bullying me, that's the last thing I'd do.
>As for Tarrant going down to rescue Vila, I`d say it was a guilty
>conscience, or bravado.
Of course, let's assign the worst possible motivation. And it was
no doubt conscience or bravado that led Tarrant to rescue Cally
in "Volcano," go to Auron to help Cally's people, go to "Ultra-
world" to find Cally (and then to stay and rescue Cally and Avon
and get their minds sorted out), and to follow Avon to "Terminal."
Tarrant must have been carrying around a mountain's worth of guilt.
It's a miracle his shoulders aren't permanently hunched.
>Both Avon AND Cally were quite pointed in their
>condemnation of Tarrant`s attitude towards Vila. A one-off bully-boy
>tactic from Tarrant would not have produced the reaction it did from any
>of the others.
Which is strictly your opinion. There is no canonical evidence for
that pov. They only refer to this one time. If it had been a
consistent tactic, they would have given a stronger warning/would
have refered to multiple offenses. I considered their condemnation
to be very mild, as befitted the situation.
>Perhaps I`m being a bit *picky* here, I took Avon`s actions as part of
>him trying to make sure the others stayed safe. Also note the rest of
>the crew`s reactions - they were shocked by Avon`s action, which meant
>he did not frequently threaten the others (and MEAN it).
Shocked because he never threatened to kill any of them before. Yes,
I'd hope so. Yet the reaction is certainly stronger than it was when
Tarrant forced Vila to Keezarn. Because they knew Tarrant would
never seriously harm Vila. Which is something Vila also came to
realize. Not to mention that Tarrant had a good reason to want
Vila to go to Keezarn. He wasn't doing it to be nasty. Or to
gain a benefit only for himself.
>How am I doing so far? Have I convinced you that Tarrant is a bully,
>yet?
>:->
When I see a group who work and fight together, who risk
their lives for each other, I have to believe that they are pretty
nice people. And I can't understand why fans want to twist that
relationship into something nasty where Tarrant is concerned.
His shipmates liked him, respected him, were willing to
die for him. They would probably be the first to defend him
against your charges.
Carol McCoy
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:03:06 +1030
From: "Lindley" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Pictures
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[Alison]
>Oh, and the guy who runs the site is obviously keen on Soolin, so if you
>like the ice maiden, look no further.
Oh... Oh... Can I second this - passionately -
The prodigal daughter is back; the High Priestess
has returned to the Temple of her Goddess and
tends the faltering flame until it blazes like to
consume the earth...
Lady of the Perfect Hair, I repent my error.
I let myself be lured away to the altar of the
false deity Sporty Spice,* but having seen
these pictures, I realize I was in error.
She was simply a tin goddess, a mere
Baal. Sure, she can kick a football, but
can she outshoot her own reflection or
allow an expression of delicate irony to
cross her pink-and-white face? No,
indeed.
Perhaps I allowed other shows,
ungraced by your presence, to
momentarily obsess me - perhaps
I was tempted away by cold, clammy
knockwurst and spy grrls with big
berets. But I never really loved
Herr Flick - it was only the black
leather, I swear... Grey overalls
be my true passion evermore.
I sentence myself to compulsively
rewatching Gold and Assassin as
penance, and pray the Dark Forces
of Soolin not to turn against their one-time
commander. Or, on second thoughts,
do I get to choose my own punishment?
Supreme Commander, bring the
leather handcuffs and the whip, I am
ready to pay my dues. <happy smile>
(So long as Vila is there to cuddle me
better afterwards - after all, he *is* an
honorary deity in the Temple...)
* What IS it about beautiful British grrls
who desperately need makeup tips
and a new designer - but have uniquely
impressive personalities - that I am unable
to resist?
-- Love & Hugs,
Lindley (trying desperately to ignore the fact
that Pat got a higher Luv score with Soolin
than I did.)
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:21:58 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: pussnboots@geocities.com
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Myers-Briggs and Deliverance
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Pat Patera wrote:
>
> Judith Proctor wrote:
> > I looked at the rules on 'Rebel hunt' which said
> > <snip> Of course, if in the best B7
> > > tradition, it actually looks like a hairdryer or curling tongs, that's fine."
>
> Envision Servalan, curling tongs in hand, an evil red telltale inset in
> its steel collar, a baleful glowing eye signifying the searing heat of
> this instrument of torment. Slowly, lovingly, a gloating gleam in her
> eye, she touches the burning rod to rebel <insert rebel of choice here>
> flesh...
Avon glowers, "Even if you give me Tarrant's hairstyle, I _still_ won't
talk!"
>
> And I shudder to think how deadly My Steel Queen could be with a
> hairdryer! ':o
> Pat P
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:23:18 -0000
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: Jane Elizabeth Macdonald <J.E.Macdonald1@student.derby.ac.uk>,
blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: safety
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Cylan wrote:
>Jackie said (about Orac): -
>> how come he did`nt eject Vila himself? or Avon? OR! I assume he was
>> left on board the shuttle while Avon and Vila talked to Egrorian. So
>> how come he did not *see* (either with the ships inboard or external
>> sensors) what Pinder was actually loading onto the ship?
>
>If Orac can scan inside locked boxes (Head Hunter), why can't he scan
>the ship for anything unusual that might be causing the problems with
>lift-off?
I think you'll find ORAC has to be in close proximity to the object to scan
it. Very much like the device used in "Voices from the Past" which was
controlling Blake. ORAC makes reference to being able to analyse the object
if he had access to it, and then tells Avon "Well go get it then". Avon
pulls out his gun and says " By force if necessary"
Ian "I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" Lay
////
:-)
\\\\
Watford Internet Football Club
Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
wifc@wfc.net
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:31:59 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
CC: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake (and Tarrant)
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>
> It's specifically stated that the android probably doesn't realise that
> it is one - it thinks of itself as human. It certainly passes the
> Turing test even when someone's riding along in its mind. It's only in
> the analysis afterwards that Dayna realises what's wrong.
>
> What's your definition of murder - killing something that's genetically
> human, or permanently shutting down a sentient being?
>
Thank you for setting me straight. I'd really couldn't think of an
androids except Avalon (forgot about the Deathwatch one until the
reference was explained). And hadn't remembered then that the robot
thought it was human. On the other hand, it was there to kill the
Champion... if I were the Champion, shooting it in the back given the
opportunity would be doing my moral duty to the side I'm fighting for,
as well as saving my own skin.
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