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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 5
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
RE: Re[B7L] EMail Junkie
Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode
[B7L] X Post Christmas
Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode
Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
re:[B7L] Out of Death I was born
re:[B7L] re E Mail Junkie
[B7L] Og-Gan
[B7L] Terror
[B7L] Quiz Answers
Re: [B7L] Slash debate
[B7L] RE: Harvest of Kairos
Re: [B7L] Re Terminal, and an apology
[B7L] What happened to Auron after "Children of Auron" ?
[B7L] GUARDS! GUARDS! - The play
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:41:43 +0000
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
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In message <19980105192531.33400@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
even more about Gen and Simes.
What are you lot babbling about?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 23:13:13 UT
From: "Anne Lane" <Anne_and_Mike_Lane@classic.msn.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: RE: Re[B7L] EMail Junkie
Message-Id: <UPMAIL01.199801052313520852@classic.msn.com>
Jackie wrote:
>You can`t get "Friends & Family" on cable. Although I believe that if you
> have cable TV and phone, local phone calls are free. In light of my
> recent phone bill I will have to investigate that properly!!
I got a Videotron line for the PC because they have free local calls to other
Videotron numbers and supplied a list of ISP's on Videotron numbers. The line
rental was only £4 pcm after the discount for joint TV and phone customer.
I haven't got the e-mail working with the new ISP yet but free phone calls for
web access mean I can log in for hours at a time without worry. Especially
useful for connecting by telnet to the college where I'm doing a day-release
course, plus the college dialup service is on a Videotron number.
The snag? Videotron got taken over by Bell Cablemedia and is now called Cable
& Wireless. Cable & Wireless has scrapped the free local calls for all new
contracts. Changing your TV channels constitutes a new contract...Now they've
effectively doubled our line rental in an effort to force us to change
contracts - but we're holding out...
I don't think we'll get free local calls in the UK unless big business can be
convinced that free Internet calls for home users are commercially
advantageous.
Anne Lane
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:43:59 -0800
From: Ovina Maria Feldman <ofeldman@gte.net>
To: B7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
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Meredith Dixon wrote:
> Avon's a Sime, no question, and Tarrant and Cally and Vila are quick
> and graceful enough to be Simes too.
>
> Gan and Blake are definitely Gens,...
Have I missed something all together? What is a "SIME" and what is a
"GEN"?
--
C progamme run. C programme crash. C programmer quit.
Return to COBOL.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 07:44:19 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode
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On Mon, Jan 05, 1998 at 05:58:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.geis.com wrote:
> Actually, Iain, I find your feelings about the inappropriateness of
> slashing B7 (or at least Blake and Avon) perfectly understandable,
> because I feel that way myself about another, different fandom. I
> won't name it because I'm hoping against hope that the slash fans
> won't find it! The original product depicts an extremely intense
> friendship between two men that is, however, very clearly not
> sexual in nature. For me, adding sex would spoil the quality of
> that relationship as it is.
Now you've made me curious! Obviously it can't be "The Sentinal" because
the slash fans have already been there...
> Kathryn's argument against slash based on statistical probability
> is one that I've heard before in a somewhat different form. I once
> had a lengthy private e-mail discussion with a friend who said
> that, given that roughly about 10% of the general population is
> primarily homosexual (though I agree with Steve that it's really
> probably a bit more than that), she could accept =one= of the main
> series characters being gay or bi, but not two. So the only slash
> stories she found believable were the ones that involved some other
> minor or original character! She liked the treatment of Avon's
> bisexuality in the Hellhound stories for this very reason.
I've seen this "roughly 10%" figure bandied about, but I *don't*
think it's "probably a bit more than that". Thing is, gayness isn't
an on-off sort of thing, except in the question of whether it has been
expressed or not (that is, the question "Have you had sex with a member
of the same sex?" has a yes-or-no answer). As with zillions of things,
there's genetics and environment, and environment plays a greater role
in this than most people think. If you rate the "attractiveness of the
same sex" then that is not an on-off thing but a range. There would be
an extremely small number who would find the same sex 100% attractive,
and others who would find it 70% attractive, and others who would find
it 50% attractive and so on. That's the starting point, but you can't
call someone who's in the 70% category "70% gay" - they could be happily
married and love their wife, because they *choose* not to express that.
On the other hand, there could be someone who finds the same sex 50%
attractive, who chooses to be gay/lesb because they've had bad experiences
with the opposite sex and good experiences with the same sex. This is
a terribly permissive society, compared to the past, so the number of
lesbigay people is naturally greater, that is, the number who've actually
"done it". The number of people who would "do it" in this society is
greater, and the number of people who would admit to doing it is greater,
but that doesn't mean that the underlying inclinations are any greater at
all.
Secondly, a little note about Hellhound; I found the bi-ness of Avon there
to be reasonable *because* the story provided a good reason for it; Avon
had some horrible experiences with the same sex (Servalan) and was turned
off women as a result.
--
_--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
/ \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat
\_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h"
v |
------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:42:52 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] X Post Christmas
Message-ID: <19980105.213625.11295.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
X Post Christmas
Avon, Avon. What a guy!
Kissed the girls then made them die.
Hark ye! Heed my tale of woe...
Don't hang up your mistletoe.
Penny Kjelgaard
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 06:00:22 GMT
From: dixonm@access.mountain.net (Meredith Dixon)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
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On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:43:59 -0800, you wrote:
>Have I missed something all together? What is a "SIME" and what is a
>"GEN"?
This thread concerns a series of fantasy novels by Jacqueline
Lichtenberg and Jean Lorrah (some books only by Lichtenberg, who
created the series, at least one only by Lorrah, and several by both
of them). In this series, the human race has divided into two
separate metabolic types: Sime and Gen.
Gens produce selyn, life-energy, but are otherwise indistinguishable
from ordinary humans. (It's tempting to assume that ordinary humans
are Gens, but the two JLs are on record as saying that's not so.
Ordinary humans are extinct, and are known to Simes and Gens as "The
Ancients".)
Simes need selyn to live, and they don't produce any of it. However,
they can use selyn to do all sorts of things that Gens cannot; they
can sense energy fields, for instance. They also have tentacles on
each arm. Since animals don't produce selyn, and there's no synthetic
substitute, Simes must obtain selyn from Gens in order to survive.
How they do this changes over the course of the series. At first,
Simes prey on Gens, hunting "wild Gens" like animals and rearing
domesticated ones on Genfarms. Simes need to receive selyn at least
once a month, oftener in pregnancy or illness. An untrained Sime
kills an untrained Gen whenever he takes selyn from him/her, and most
Simes believe that this is the natural order of things.
Then some Simes ("channels") discover the ability to store selyn and
redistribute it to other Simes. Gens in turn discover the ability to
work with Simes, particularly channels, to be able to give their selyn
without being killed. Voluntary organizations of Simes who live
without killing and Gens who are their partners spring up; they're
called Householdings, and they're discriminated against by the Simes
who still kill.
Later still, a totalitarian, regimented society (the Tecton) evolves
in which Simes' selyn intake is strictly regulated by the government.
The channels now work for the government, and are required to do so
from the moment of first identification as a channel, and Simes are
required to take transfer only at approved times and from approved
people. An underground group springs up in opposition to this,
claiming that most if not all Gens can learn to give selyn without
being killed, and that Simes and Gens should be free to give and
receive transfer as they please. This group is called the Distect.
For obvious reasons, I was assuming our heroes would be Distect; they
can hardly stop by a government-sanctioned Sime Center and check in
for a transfer, after all.
I haven't mentioned one angle which adds a lot of angst to the series.
Children of both Simes and Gens are selyn-neutral and tentacleless.
Just before puberty, they either "change over" and become Simes, or
else they "establish" and become Gens. One-third of the children born
to Sime parents establish; one-third of the children born to Gen
parents change over. Simes born to Gens typically kill their parents,
unless their parents kill them first, since Simes desperate for selyn
lose awareness of everything *but* energy fields, and a Sime right
after changeover is *really* desperate for selyn. Gens born to Simes
in the pre-Tecton days are considered animals, changelings who just
"looked like people as children.". If their parents need selyn badly
at the time it happens (i.e., "are in need") they may kill them
without realizing it; if not, then legally the youngsters must be sold
to a non-family member for eventual use in the kill. Some families do
try to evade this law, but there are stiff penalties (no adult Sime
wants to admit that he/she has to kill a human being every month to
survive). So the laws don't change till killing ceases to be the
norm.
As for how this all applies to Our Heroes, Simes are typically
slender and quick and on the small side, also rather aggressive.
Gens are typically large and slow and calm. Oh, and for those of you
who are into sex scenes, Simes usually want to mate right after
they've killed or received transfer.
Meredith Dixon
dixonm@access.mountain.net
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 06:11:59 GMT
From: dixonm@access.mountain.net (Meredith Dixon)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
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On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:25:31 +1100, you wrote:
>I don't really see why Vila couldn't be a Gen, though. Or are you saying
>that without Sime senses, there's no way he could be as excellent a thief
>as he is? Hmmm. He doesn't *feel* like a Sime, though.
Yes, I was assuming that in a Sime/Gen world a Gen thief would have
no chance. Sime senses would detect him, and there'd be tentacle-only
locks and the like. Besides, he's dextrous and small. I agree that
he doesn't have the typical Sime arrogance, though, or the predatory
instincts.
>Dayna doesn't need to be a Sime; just because she designs weapons doesn't
>mean she has to be Sime. I expect Hal Mellanby was Gen.
Dayna had better be a Sime, otherwise, at that point, she'll be the
only Gen among a group of Simes, which won't be conducive to peace.
>Servalan, of course, is Sime.
Naturally. *And* she kills regularly, rather than entrusting her selyn
supply to a channel.
Is Travis Sime or Gen?
Meredith Dixon
dixonm@access.mountain.net
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:56:51 EST
From: Ashton7 <Ashton7@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Sex-- slash mode
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In a message dated 98-01-05 21:22:53 EST, kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes:
<< This is
a terribly permissive society, compared to the past, so the number of
lesbigay people is naturally greater, that is, the number who've actually
"done it". The number of people who would "do it" in this society is
greater, and the number of people who would admit to doing it is greater,
but that doesn't mean that the underlying inclinations are any greater at
all. >>
*This* is a "terribly permissive society"???? I beg to differ and differ
strongly (although you're certainly entitled to feel anyway you please). In
fact, in ancient times, even in early Christian times, many, many societies
accepted bi-sexuality and homosexuality as the natural thing that it is. Among
ancient Celtic warriors, before they were Christianized, it was the accepted
thing that warriors slept together and it was, in fact, considered an insult
for one man to refuse another. Just as one example...
Annie
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:56:04 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Out of death was I born...."
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On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 06:11:59AM +0000, Meredith Dixon wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:25:31 +1100, you wrote:
>
> >I don't really see why Vila couldn't be a Gen, though. Or are you saying
> >that without Sime senses, there's no way he could be as excellent a thief
> >as he is? Hmmm. He doesn't *feel* like a Sime, though.
>
> Yes, I was assuming that in a Sime/Gen world a Gen thief would have
> no chance. Sime senses would detect him, and there'd be tentacle-only
> locks and the like. Besides, he's dextrous and small. I agree that
> he doesn't have the typical Sime arrogance, though, or the predatory
> instincts.
How about, he was born of Gen parents, (in a Gen conclave?) expected to
be a Gen, but he changed over instead, thus he doesn't have the Sime
arrogance, and doesn't wish to have the predatory instincts?
Blake would definitely be Distect in politics; yet another source of
conflict.
> >Dayna doesn't need to be a Sime; just because she designs weapons doesn't
> >mean she has to be Sime. I expect Hal Mellanby was Gen.
>
> Dayna had better be a Sime, otherwise, at that point, she'll be the
> only Gen among a group of Simes, which won't be conducive to peace.
And she doesn't have the charisma for it like Blake did?
> >Servalan, of course, is Sime.
>
> Naturally. *And* she kills regularly, rather than entrusting her selyn
> supply to a channel.
I don't think a Sime/Gen Federation would be like the Tecton; perhaps one
reason why the Federation is into conquering is the neverending search
for more Gens... (Yes, assumption that planets had been settled by Simes
and Gens, not by Ancients) Some planets could well be Gen enclaves,
but the Federation would be Sime-dominated.
There would obviously have to be a Channel distribution system in place,
or the Federation would have succumbed to Zelerod's Doom long ago,
but I expect that killing isn't illegal either. It's just really
really expensive. Choice kills. Ohnj Verlis probably didn't (just)
deal in slaves, but in Gens. Gen relatives of deserters would not be
sent to the slave pits, they would be sent to the Gen pits; not for
death, but to be milked by the government Channels until they died.
Gens would be second-class citizens, but I don't think they would be
classed as non-persons. All channels would be forced to work for the
government - but Cally, not being a Federation citizen, would have
received different Channel training, Distect-style training. Well,
Auron-style training, whatever that was.
> Is Travis Sime or Gen?
Travis I or Travis II? (-8
Because Travis I definitely feels like a Sime, but I'm not so sure about
Travis II.
Of course, if Travis was Sime, then losing his arm would probably have
killed him, since he wouldn't be able to take transfer very easily with
only one arm.
This is fun!
Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tak: What will Dr Bellfriar do with it, sir?
Tynus: He'll bring it back to his laboratories and analyse it.
Then he'll analyse what he's analysed. I could never
understand why a scientist of his eminence should choose
to bury himself here. (Blake's 7: Killer [B7])
--
_--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
/ \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat
\_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h"
v |
------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:22:33 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re:[B7L] Out of Death I was born
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Meredith Dixon wrote:
>
> On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:47:08 +1100, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> >A whole bag of Gens? Maybe they were Liliputian Gens.
> >And to think, Avon and Tarrant were secretly Simes all this time!
> >Hmmm, puts another slant on that "kiss of death" don't it?
>
> Avon's a Sime, no question, and Tarrant and Cally and Vila are quick
> and graceful enough to be Simes too.
>
> Gan and Blake are definitely Gens, and when Blake gets worked up about
> something he influences the ambient nager on the Liberator. This is
> why Avon keeps feeling that Blake is manipulating them...he is.
> Whether he's doing so consciously or unconsciously can be decided by
> your interpretation of Blake.
>
> I'm less sure about the others. I think Jenna must be Sime also,
> otherwise the Blake-Avon-Jenna dynamic of the first season wouldn't
> work out well at all. (I know I just said I don't care for explicit
> sex, but I can just see a story in which Avon and Jenna (nearly?)
> come to blows because they both want to take transfer from Blake.)
>
> Hm. There's a problem here, though. That gives us Avon, Jenna, Cally
> and Vila as Simes, and only Gan and Blake as Gens. And I can't see
> any of those four as a channel, can you? Cally's definitely a Sime.
> Avon's definitely a Sime. So either Jenna or Vila has to be Gen. I
> guess it's got to be Jenna after all; in a Sime-Gen world, I can't see
> a Gen succeeding as a thief.
>
> So, Avon, Cally, and Vila are Simes, Blake, Jenna and Gan are Gens.
> Orac doesn't affect the equation, but Gan's death certainly does.
> They probably raid off-ship while they're looking for Star One.
>
> At the start of the third season, we still have Avon, Cally and Vila,
> and they're joined by Tarrant and Dayna. Tarrant's a Sime, and I'd
> assume that weapons-specialist Dayna is also. And naturally Soolin
> is, too. This in itself goes a long way toward explaining the
> difference between the first two seasons and the second two...first
> and second season, they're a balanced set of transfer partners; third
> and fourth seasons they're a hunting pack of Sime raiders.
>
> You know, this *works*. :)
>
> Meredith Dixon
Please forgive my ignorance, but what are *Sines* and *Gens*? as what you
are talking about sounds very interesting.
Sorry for being a pain. Ta
Jackie
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:06:46 -0800
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: re:[B7L] re E Mail Junkie
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Anne Lane wrote:
>
> Jackie wrote:
> >You can`t get "Friends & Family" on cable. Although I believe that if you
> > have cable TV and phone, local phone calls are free. In light of my
> > recent phone bill I will have to investigate that properly!!
>
> I got a Videotron line for the PC because they have free local calls to other
> Videotron numbers and supplied a list of ISP's on Videotron numbers. The line
> rental was only £4 pcm after the discount for joint TV and phone customer.
>
> I haven't got the e-mail working with the new ISP yet but free phone calls for
> web access mean I can log in for hours at a time without worry. Especially
> useful for connecting by telnet to the college where I'm doing a day-release
> course, plus the college dialup service is on a Videotron number.
>
> The snag? Videotron got taken over by Bell Cablemedia and is now called Cable
> & Wireless. Cable & Wireless has scrapped the free local calls for all new
> contracts. Changing your TV channels constitutes a new contract...Now they've
> effectively doubled our line rental in an effort to force us to change
> contracts - but we're holding out...
>
> I don't think we'll get free local calls in the UK unless big business can be
> convinced that free Internet calls for home users are commercially
> advantageous.
>
> Anne Lane
Cable and Wireless took over our local cable company as well - it used to
be NYNEX.
Bye for now
Jackie
PS does it make you an E-Mail junkie, if you log on on christmas day, and
ask "where is everyone?"
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:01:06 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Og-Gan
Message-Id: <19850505MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Pat P had said: "ohmagawd! For a story that *no one's* ever
written before, try: Og/Gan!"
To which I said: "Don't tempt me. I would if I could work out a
believable way Gan could still be alive when Og turned up. I'd
probably get flamed though if I posted it on this list."
Julia Jones suggested I revive the Black Round Robin on Space
City and put it there, but Heather Smith said: "Please! Write it!
Write it now! Getting thinking boyoh!"
Well I've written it. It's fairly short, but decided it would be
more suited to Space City than here, so I've posted it there.
However, if anybody wants a copy I'll send it to them.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:43:53 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Terror
Message-Id: <19853404MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Just before Christmas, new video label Satanica released in the
UK the 1978 horror movie Terror, which included Glynis
Barber in one of her early roles. As Glynis plays the killer's
first victim, she is only in the early part of the film. Yet her
pulling power and that of a certain TV show we all like
obvioulsy influenced Satanica, because the front cover of the
video, directly under the film's title, is the line "Starring Glynis
Barber from Blake's 7". No other actors are mentioned on the
front. This is despite Glynis not being the main star and B7 not
being her most famous role. They obviously consider B7 fans
to be major buyers of horror movies. I know I am, but I
wouldn't have thought it was true in general.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
Make your own tribble! Buy a hamster and cut off its legs
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:38:15 EST
From: AChevron <AChevron@aol.com>
To: space-city@world.std.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Quiz Answers
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Below is a repeat of the quotes from the quiz, followed by the answers.
1) " For a little man I'm a wonderful mover."
2) " there is no rational basis for the concept you call luck."
3) " There are so many unscrupulous fortune seekers at large."
4) " Difficult to reason with a bomb."
5) "That's one way to become a hunted man; trust the powerful."
6) "The Officer Corps will forgive anything it can understand, which makes
intellegence about the only sin."
7) " Hope is very dangerous."
8) " No true bid for peace was born from coersion."
9) "Counting yourself, that makes two people who think you are wonderful."
10) "yes, I'm impressed."
" WOnderful. That makes it all worthwhile."
11) "Natural leaders are rarely encumbered with intellegence."
12) " A pro keeps it simple."
13) "Then it's dead stupid of us to go there, right? Dead being the operative
word."
14) "If you don't want the answer, you shouldn''t ask the question."
15) "I'm going to be a big handicap."
" I'm used to that."
16) "It always feels personal when someone tries to kill me."
17) "The art of leadership is delegation."
18) "Reality is a dangerous concept."
19) "I'm in Hell and it's full of Avons."
20) " Responcibility is something I have never avoided."
21) "There's no law for the rich..."
22) " Incidental? That'll look good on my gravestone."
23) "It's the kind of natural stupidity that no amount of training could ever
hope to match."
24) "you can't afford to be choosy now."
" Why else would I be talking to you?"
25) "A strategic withdrawal is running away, but with dignity."
26) "I should hate to be eaten by anything stupid."
27) "Attack is the best method of defense."
28) " Assasination has always been a legitimate tool of statecraft."
29) " "I make one false move, I'll be so crisped up what's left of me won't
fit into a sandwhich."
" I'm a vegetarian. Thanks for the offer though."
30) "No hand is a winning hand until it's played."
And the answers...
1) Vila, to Kerril, City on the Edge...
2) Orac, to Blake, Weapon
3) Servalan, to Auron Pilot, Children of Auron
4) Vila, to Crew on Deck, Star One
5) Jenna, to Blake, Duel
6) Carnell, to messenger Officer, Weapon
7) Servalan, to Travis, Project Avalon
8) LeGrand, to Nagu. Voices from...
9) Vila, to Avon, Deliverance
10) Avon, Vila, City on the Edge...
11) Egrorian, to Avon, Orbit
12) Largo, to Jenna,Avon,Blake, Shadow
13) Vila, to Scorpio crew, Animals
14) Avon, to Pella, Power
15) Vila, Avon, Pressure Point
16) Vila, answering Avon, Redemption
17) Orac, to Avon, Traitor
18) Dr. Havant, to Blake, The Way Back
19) VIla, to Avon, Dawn of...
20) Servalan, to Rontaine, Seek, Locate, Destroy
21) Grenlee, to Forres, Rumours...
22) Vila, to Dayna, Sarcophogus
23) Avon, about Gan, directed to crew on deck, Shadow
24) Vila, Jenna, Spacefall
25) Tarrant, to Vila and crew, Blake
26) Vila, to Blake and Avon, Time Squad
27) Belkov, to Gambit, Games
28) Sarkoff, to Blake, Bounty
29) Avon, Vila, Killer
30) Servalan, to Belkov, Games
Hope you enjoyed it:)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:24:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Slash debate
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980106170653.16642A-100000@bsauasc>
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On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Russ Massey wrote:
> I think the key phrase in Neil's article was his musing on men being
> emotionally 'mis-humanised' in slash in a similar way that women are
> physically and mentally dehumanised in male-written porn. It might be less
> offensive to the men being distorted, but it still makes me raise an eyebrow in
> the same way I do when someone writes about a 40lb broadsword.
>
I remember reading that, and thinking the parallels were if anything
closer than Neil was making out. After all, in male-written porn the
female characters are generally acting of their own free will, just in a
way which is, shall we say, atypical. (Or maybe I just don't get invited
to those sorts of parties.) A common pattern ("storyline" is perhaps too
strong a word) is a monogamous woman realising that deep down she wants to
be shamelessly promiscuous, acting on these feelings and being much
happier for it.
>
> <snipped Iain's end piece>
>
Ouch.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:09:55 -0600 (CST)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] RE: Harvest of Kairos
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.980106114516.28504A-100000@inet-ux.graceland.edu>
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I myself just watched the episode last Friday and I truly loved it. My
favorite points were the whole mystery with the sopron, and Tarrant's
annoyance with it. I like how Avon gets completely absorbed in it, and
doesn't really seem to care about what the others are doing.
One thing I'd like to point out, though, is that I never really bought the
Cally/Avon fling before watching the third season. After I saw "Volcano"
I kind of put my head in my hands and said "Hmm, now what is that look
about? It can't really mean that Avon is so concerned about Cally's
welfare, can it? There has to be a deeper meaning in that look." I'm
talking about the scene where Vila is helping himself to some adrenalin
and soma after Commander Mori has left by teleport taking Orac and Cally
with him.
Avon: What's happening?
Vila: All gone.
Avon: Orac?
Vila: Gone as well. Cheers.
Avon: The battle fleet?
Vila: Ran away. Expect they'll be back.
Avon: Cally? (At this point an extremely concerned look crosses his face,
one I didn't think he'd be capable of)
Vila: They took her when the took Orac.
Avon: A mess.
Then, in The Harvest of Kairos, when Avon wants Cally to examine the
sopron, he's sitting a little closer than necessary (don't you think? why
doesn't he sit in the chair instead of on the arm rest...maybe he wants
to make sure Cally stays there, or is there another reason?) Then, when
Cally tries to run away, Avon grabs her, then Tarrant comes in and yells,
"Is this the time or the place?" In my mind indicating that he thinks they
are engaging in something romantic (possibly) and is angry because they
are under attack.
Maybe it's just my overjeolous nature where Avon is concerned; who knows?
Grace Robbins
robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu
www.graceland.edu/~robbins
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 21:14 GMT0
From: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gary Marden)
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re Terminal, and an apology
Message-Id: <memo.952626@cix.compulink.co.uk>
In-Reply-To: <v03110706b0d6823369ff@[202.12.90.67]>
> The two episodes are in contradiction here. It doesn't
> foillow that Ensor immediately went into hiding but gee,
> to take twenty years to get around to something! Also,
> his son looks older than 24 but maybe Hovell's Radiation..
Perhaps Avon was being deliberately inaccurate, to find out whether Dorian
really had known Ensor by tripping him up over a detail like that?
Gary
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 21:14 GMT0
From: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gary Marden)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: majikthise@cix.compulink.co.uk
Subject: [B7L] What happened to Auron after "Children of Auron" ?
Message-Id: <memo.952625@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Once Servalan's pathogen had killed off virtually all of the Auronar what
happened to the planet?
Servalan makes some comments early on about "changed imperatives" but
doesn't really go into any further details about her plans for the planet.
She does say that her primary objective in infecting the planet is to
sieze the Liberator and that the cloning facilities were just a bonus but
surely even Servalan wouldn't go to these extremes?
So, what happened afterwards? Did the Federation colonise or plunder Auron
once the pathogen had dissipated or was it just left to rot?
Incidentally, isn't that Genka a blood-thirsty sadistic little bastard?
Gary
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:50:57 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@nospam.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] GUARDS! GUARDS! - The play
Message-ID: <x2S8MUARVrs0Ewdn@jajones.demon.co.uk>
This turned up in alt.fan.pratchett this evening, much to my amusement
since I posted the same information plus details of the Newcastle venue
three weeks ago. However, it does have a website address which may be
useful - I haven't been to look.
In article <34B310C0.C6E@paston.co.uk>, Mike <dreammakers@paston.co.uk>
writes
>The long(?) awaited stage version of GUARDS! GUARDS! (sorry for
>shouting), adapted by Geoffrey Cush, starring Paul Darrow (from Blake's
>Seven) will (may) be hitting a Theatre near you (if you live in the UK,
>that is.....) from April onwards....
>
>If you live near Blackpool, Hackney, Newcastle, Norwich, Hull,
>Stevenage or Eastbourne (more to follow later) then you will have less
>to travel than if you don't... or just harrass your local theatre
>manager to get it!
>
>More details will be posted here, or on the soon to be updated site at
>
> uktw.co.uk/info/guards.htm
--
Julia Jones
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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