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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 322
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest
Re: [B7L] Tarrant (that'll get Carol's attention <grin>)
Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest
Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest
Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
Re: [B7L] OT: ah been cut off from worl
Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
[B7L] fireworks
RE: [B7L] Post-War Politics
Re: [B7L] fireworks
Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest
Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:17:11 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
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Paul wrote:
> I watched Harvest Of Kairos last Sunday and in my opinion it is a good
> episode.
I agree. It's great fun. I especially like the background information
provided about Tarrant. And the crew dynamics can be quite interesting when
you start analyzing them. Avon is clearly trying to keep as distant from his
shipmates as possible. He's still stuck in limbo land, not wanting to be part
of the group while at the same time realizing that fate has decreed they are
better off as unit than as individuals.
> Has anyone figured out what Avon originally said when he calls Tarrant an
> "astute space commander." His lip movements do not tally with the word
> "astute".
I don't know what he said, but "astute" is the word used in the copy of the
rehearsal script I have. Both Tarrant's lines just before that and Avon's
reply have been cut from what is in the rehearsal script. So Paul might not
have had a lot of time to put the new exchange to memory.
> Also, I thought it was very unlike Avon not to realise that
> Kairos was the logical place for them to be transported to, being a planet
> with a breatheable atomosphere (especially as the Liberator was orbiting it
> at the time).
Well, it's not as if Avon is perfect. He made his share of mistakes. With his
mind focused on their immediate survival, it doesn't surprise me that he
overlooked the fact that Kairos was the nearest planet.
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:17:10 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant (that'll get Carol's attention <grin>)
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Yep, ring *that* bell and I'm here. :)
Jo Ann wrote:
> Oi! Godmother! <grin> remember that you're still waving your wand and
> sprinkling fairy dust so far as transforming me is concerned.
It must be those prevailing winds. It's hard to catch the right currents to
reach Australia. But I'll keep trying.
> Liking
> Avon is nature (for me); liking Tarrant is going to have to be nurture,
Do I even want to know how Snout and Snarl can be nature while adorable, sweet
Tarrant has to be nurture? Probably not. It could destroy my faith in the
human race. <g>
> and I'm sure you'll be quite happy to do that. <Mutter of "I've been
> threatened by experts...">
Yes, for sure. Where shall I start? Have you noticed that it is Tarrant who
comes to Avon's rescue when the Dark One is distracted? See "Rumours" and
"Terminal." And Avon is the one who points out that Tarrant is promising
material and also notes that he's young, brave, and handsome. So just follow
your Nature Fellow's lead. Or consider that Servalan also had the good taste
to find Tarrant tempting, not to mention decorative and resourceful.
> docu-drama "Aftershocks" last night, and some of the archival footage
> put me right back in 1989. Carol has provided the perfect distraction
> from unhappy memories.)
Sorry about the bad deja vu. You can call on me for distractions, perfect or
otherwise, anytime.
> Not that it worked. I haven't watched "Blake" for a while, but I seem to
> recall that he'd drunk Xenon base dry by that time.
Sadly true, the food cure failed.
> I don't
> think one needs to be in that much of a hurry to defend inconsistencies
> in "The Sevenfold Crown".
A person has to do something to keep busy in between drool production. Now be
good and catch some of that dust.
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:54:47 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
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From TigerM
>This raises a question. In the fourth season, was it the Federation that
was
>after the Scorpio crew or was it primarily Servalan/Sleer? She seemed to
be
>behind the attempts to capture or kill them, and in episodes such as
>"Assassin," I got the impression that it was a personal vendetta, perhaps
>because they could identify her as Servalan. She either wanted them dead
or
>under her control where they could don her no harm.
>
I think it was primarily Sleer who had it in for the crew. The way I see
it, the 4th Season is confined to a seedy galactic backwater where Sleer
*was* the Federation. It's all on far less grand a scale than the previous
three seasons.
Sleer ran across the crew in eight of the thirteen episodes. In four of
those her appearance was effectively coincidental: Traitor, Animals, Games,
Sand - she was doing her job as a good little Commissioner and this just
happened to bring her into contact with the crew.
In Gold and Orbit she was acting off her own back, and again ran into Avon
and co through chance rather than design.
Only in Assassin and Warlord was she actively seeking out the crew with an
eye to their elimination.
As for them revealing her secret identity - they could have done that no
problem any time after Traitor, but apparently didn't since Servalan's alter
ego remained very much intact.
Alternatively, they may have tried and failed to convince. Their efforts
may have been dismissed as crankmail ("Oi,guess what? We got some loony
saying he's Kerr Avon and he knows where Servalan is. I dunno, there ain't
half some stupid bastards...").
More likely, in my view, is that someone high up in the New Federation
hierarchy knew exactly who Sleer was, and was more than happy to leave her
there. She was doing a grand job of reacquiring lost territory, and she
could carry the can if any storm arose over her use of pylene-50. Since
Servalan's no dummy, she would be only too aware of it if she were being
used like this, but at the same time she could make contingency plans of her
own. Besides, as Commissioner Sleer she had greater freedom of action,
perhaps even more power in real terms, than she had ever had as President.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:19:42 -0600
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest
Message-Id: <199812310413.WAA05029@pemberton.magnolia.net>
Carol Mc said:
>Well, it's not as if Avon is perfect. He made his share of mistakes. With
his
>mind focused on their immediate survival, it doesn't surprise me that he
>overlooked the fact that Kairos was the nearest planet.
And one must admit that the look on his face when this blunder is pointed
out to him is absolutely *priceless*! Kind of the equivalent to finding
you've put your eyeglasses in the fridge.
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:22:37 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 12/30/98 10:35:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
<< As for them revealing her secret identity - they could have done that no
problem any time after Traitor, but apparently didn't since Servalan's alter
ego remained very much intact. >>
My own guess is that the crew elected to keep Servelan's secret so that
they wouldn't lose track of her. If her Sleer identity was blown, Servie would
have gone to ground, and no doubt pop back up and the most inconvienant times.
At least as long as she was Sleer, they could in some degree track her
movements.
As to higher placed officials knowing her identity, it seems probable. No
doubt at least a few of her supporters survived the purges, and even some of
her enemies might see some benefit in letting her run loose for a while. The
Sleer disguise doesn't seem to be designed to hide her for long; she makes no
effort to disguise herself when she does appear. Presumably once she's scored
some victories as Sleer, she planned to step out back into the limelight as
Servalan.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:57:50 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest
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On Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 07:31:17PM -0800, Joanne MacQueen wrote:
[re: Harvest of Kairos]
> <wide-eyed> Thank you, Neil. Would it be better if I avoided that
> episode if it ever came my way? Or does it have to be seen to be
> believed? <grin>
>
> Mind you, the same writer was responsible for "Power", wasn't he, and I
> haven't seen that either. Which episode is worse? (You are at liberty to
> point to other episodes as being truly bad, if you wish.)
"Power" was definitely worse. There he set up a whole society of
macho mysoginists, while in "Harvest of Kairos" there was only one of
them, and he was merely sexist and not a mysoginist. Jarvik can
easily be dismissed as an aberration. And the point about Federation
society relying too much on computers was a good one, IMHO. I liked
the line about computer predictions and reading tea leaves not being
that different. (-8 Also, IMHO, the idea of the sopron wasn't that
bad, either.
But, yes, anything with Ben Steed as the author is going to be below
par.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:31:43 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
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>Sleer disguise doesn't seem to be designed to hide her for long; she
makes no
>effort to disguise herself when she does appear.
Whaddya mean? Then, she always wore white. Now, she always wears black.
What more could you ask for in terms of disguise?
And yes, I *am* being serious. Well, I admit, it started out as a
sarcastic response, but on reflection it seems not entirely unfeasible.
We are, after all, talking about a future whose technological
sophistication is extremely erratic: in which, for instance,
sophisticated mind-manipulation is de rigeur, yet visual information
transfer is frequently limited to grainy monochrome.
And if I recall correctly someone in Freedom City drew a blank on the
name Servalan. And they, although not part of the Federation, probably
got a lot more news of the galaxy, with all the traffic coming and going
and a modicum of, well, *freedom*, than most Federation planets.
So maybe the vast majority of those who *had* heard of Servalan at the
peak of her infamy would never have seen her, or even pictures of her
(why so dramatically fry that telltale portrait if it's widely available
on the interplanetary internet?). They would visualize her *only* as A
Tough Broad Who Always Wears Highly Impractical White.
And as I said some time ago with regards to Blake's failure to note
Travis' abrupt and drastic change in appearance, maybe it's wise in this
time to pay more attention to the personality than to the physique that
harbours it, if you really want to identify someone. So Servalan's
rather eccentric fashion aesthetic might well have been a deliberate
affectation. Sleer's too, for that matter. Heck, the majority of the men
she encountered probably never even looked at her face. Such an OTT look
had two advantages: first, it could be shucked like Gene Simmons' makeup
at a moment's botice; and second, it would *drown out* any subtler, more
*innate* personal quirks.
-- Penny "That's Why I Always Wear The Batman Mask" Dreadful
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Date: 31 Dec 1998 11:08:47 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (Blake's 7 list)
Subject: Re: [B7L] OT: ah been cut off from worl
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kat@welkin.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen) writes:
> what is a Tarriel Cell really?
Whatever it is, I guess it has something to do with faster-than-light
communication. Orac is based on the principles of Tarriel Cells in
some way, and communicating instantaneously with other machines is
just about all he does. Not to mention that having microscopic-scale
FTL devices could make a computer *much* faster than the ones we have
now (if you really pay attention to General Relativity, you could get
machines where you got the result before you asked the question!).
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
Hello? Brain? What do we want for breakfast?
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:35:23 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
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In a message dated 12/31/98 3:33:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pdreadful@hotmail.com writes:
<< Whaddya mean? Then, she always wore white. Now, she always wears black.
What more could you ask for in terms of disguise? >>
It's an interesting theory, and just plausable enough to have me scratching
my head. The key would be as to how low a profile Servalan kept once she
became president. As Supreme Commander, she met with the more powerful members
of the civilian government, but that number could be low enough to be safely
purged once she gained power. As President, though, I suspect she was much
more widely exposed to public view than before. The intimation of Supreme
Empress also seems to indicate more public exposure. In those cases, a simple
change of clothing wouldn't be enough to keep her secret.
But. If Servalan maintained an air of mystery, and didn't allow her image to
be widely disseminated, then I could see that the Sleer disguise would work.
As Sleer, she seems to have been a civilian employee of the Federation, and
moved in different circles than before. And her taste in clothing wouldn't
seem so strange to the people she worked for.
One wonders what her plans were, though, if the Sleer disguise were
penetrated before she was ready to discard it. Any ideas? D. Rose
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:43:30 +-100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] fireworks
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Hi all,
It is now half an hour into the new year here, and I have just been =
watching the fireworks. Can it be called obsessive if even that makes me =
think of our favourite characters? In this case, I was wondering how =
they would react to fireworks.
Avon: would probably think it a complete waste of money, time and =
effort.
Blake: would see it as a form of self-expression.
Jenna: would think it was pretty.
Vila: would have been too drunk to notice(what with all that champagne =
just standing there).
Gan: would be happy because everyone was having a good time.
Cally: would be looking for a deeper meaning to it all.
Orac: would complain about that completely frivolous way of using its =
time and demand to be deactivated.
Servalan: would be very annoyed at being disturbed. She would =
immediately try to find a way to stop it. Permanently.
Travis: would try to execute whatever plan Servalan came up with to stop =
the fireworks, only to be foiled once again by the Liberator crew.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:46:26 +-100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "'AChevron@aol.com'" <AChevron@aol.com>,
"Blakes7@lysator.liu.se"
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D. Rose wrote:
>One wonders what her plans were, though, if the Sleer disguise were
>penetrated before she was ready to discard it. Any ideas?
This is Servalan we're talking about. Any of her contingency plans would naturally include a liberal use of murder, mayhem, generally manhandling the populations of several planets and other things with an M.
Jacqueline
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:21:07 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Jacqueline wrote:
> Avon: would probably think it a complete waste of money, time and effort.
But he'd also wonder about fireworks as potential weapons.
> Blake: would see it as a form of self-expression.
And wonder how he could use it against the Federation.
> Jenna: would think it was pretty.
And would hope it would give Blake romantic notions.
> Vila: would have been too drunk to notice(what with all that champagne just
> standing there).
Or think he was having a mega hangover.
> Gan: would be happy because everyone was having a good time.
Until two little kids set off a firecracker that landed on his leg.
> Cally: would be looking for a deeper meaning to it all.
And produce no less than six Auron sayings on the subject.
> Orac: would complain about that completely frivolous way of using its time
> and demand to be deactivated.
Then pout when someone actually deactived him and he missed the grand finale.
> Servalan: would be very annoyed at being disturbed. She would immediately
> try to find a way to stop it. Permanently.
Thus setting off all the remaining fireworks at once and destroying the entire
planet.
> Travis: would try to execute whatever plan Servalan came up with to stop
the
> fireworks, only to be foiled once again by the Liberator crew.
Not realizing that Servalan was just using him as a diversion. She'd executed
the plan herself.
Meanwhile, Tarrant and Dayna ended up with minor burns because they just had
to try lighting fireworks for themselves. And Soolin used the distraction to
hunt down two more of the group who murdered her family.
Carol Mc
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:20:41 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
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> But. If Servalan maintained an air of mystery, and didn't allow her image
to
>be widely disseminated, then I could see that the Sleer disguise would
work.
>As Sleer, she seems to have been a civilian employee of the Federation, and
>moved in different circles than before. And her taste in clothing wouldn't
>seem so strange to the people she worked for.
We all know what Stalin looked like, but how many people would recognise
Krushchev, let alone Malenkov? Servalan was a short-lived president with a
limited sphere of influence in a time of considerable volatility. If she
wanted to stay unpublicised, she could probably have done so.
> One wonders what her plans were, though, if the Sleer disguise were
>penetrated before she was ready to discard it. Any ideas? D. Rose
Perhaps she knew that her cover would be blown sooner or later, and so
didn't go as far as she might to conceal it. (Cosmetic surgery might have
been ruled out through a triumph of sheer pride over common sense.)
Officially she was dead anyway. Anyone with enough resources who thought
she might be still alive would eventually find her.
So I think she was using the Sleer identity to consolidate her position as
fast as possible before the whistle was finally blown. Sooner or later (and
probably sooner) she would have to declare herself and make a bid for power.
(Presumably she still had ambitions. Otherwise she could have taken up
chicken farming and gone into hiding for ever.)
Neil
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:33:24 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Kairopan harvest
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>> Mind you, the same writer was responsible for "Power", wasn't he, and I
>> haven't seen that either. Which episode is worse? (You are at liberty to
>> point to other episodes as being truly bad, if you wish.)
>
>"Power" was definitely worse. There he set up a whole society of
>macho mysoginists, while in "Harvest of Kairos" there was only one of
>them, and he was merely sexist and not a mysoginist.
At least Power (and Moloch) had a bit of humour written in (I especially
liked Lector and Grose's 'Ron-and-Ron' double act, "Yeah, it was a bad time
for accidents" etc). And Gunn Sar is hardly presented as a paragon of
virtue. There is sexism and misogyny in all three Ben Steed episodes, but
Harvest is the most flawed conceptually.
If I had to name an all-time worst ever episode, it would have to be Dawn of
the Gods.
>And the point about Federation
>society relying too much on computers was a good one, IMHO. I liked
>the line about computer predictions and reading tea leaves not being
>that different.
I know which I'd sooner go by. Not that I'd place absolute trust in either.
I sometimes think the main reason people like Steed embark on their luddite
tirades is because they feel cheated by technology. It doesn't live up to
the expectations they've been duped into giving it. More fool them.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:55:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Post-War Politics
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On Thu 31 Dec, AChevron@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/31/98 3:33:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> pdreadful@hotmail.com writes:
>
> << Whaddya mean? Then, she always wore white. Now, she always wears black.
> What more could you ask for in terms of disguise? >>
>
> It's an interesting theory, and just plausable enough to have me scratching
> my head. The key would be as to how low a profile Servalan kept once she
> became president. As Supreme Commander, she met with the more powerful members
> of the civilian government, but that number could be low enough to be safely
> purged once she gained power. As President, though, I suspect she was much
> more widely exposed to public view than before. The intimation of Supreme
> Empress also seems to indicate more public exposure. In those cases, a simple
> change of clothing wouldn't be enough to keep her secret.
> But. If Servalan maintained an air of mystery, and didn't allow her image to
> be widely disseminated, then I could see that the Sleer disguise would work.
> As Sleer, she seems to have been a civilian employee of the Federation, and
> moved in different circles than before. And her taste in clothing wouldn't
> seem so strange to the people she worked for.
> One wonders what her plans were, though, if the Sleer disguise were
> penetrated before she was ready to discard it. Any ideas?
Actually, she changed her clothing in the late third season. I think you'll
find she's wearing black in Moloch, Deathwatch and Terminal and her dress in
Rumours of Death is half black, half white.
Jackie Pearce once said Servalan wore black as a form of mourning the loss of
her 'children' in 'Children of Auron'. Adding that as an actress she'd
discovered that she looked better in black in any case.
Judith
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