From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #313 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se> archive/volume98/313 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 313 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Re: [B7L] worst cast [B7L] B7: Another most incompatible cast Re: [B7L] UNCUT [B7L] Re: worst cast [B7L] Re:uncut [B7L] B7L UK TV Monday Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... [B7L] Watching the detectives [B7L] Over the Moon Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:06:38 -0000 From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk> To: "cj" <rollingthunder@net.ntl.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Message-Id: <199812200113.BAA28955@gnasher.sol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the > videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me > exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly > has been removed from them? AFAIK the only cut of the 26-tape set was of Avon clapping his hands over the guard's ears in the fight in the computer room in Space Fall. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:32:50 -0000 From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] worst cast Message-ID: <000201be2bc3$1add9960$8918ac3e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Music by - Devo I do hope, 'Psycho', <g> that you are implying that the sound of the mighty Devo is merely inappropriate for a B7 movie, because some people out here happen to like them rather a lot. (And while I'm at it, Reuben, the B52s might be crap now but Rock Lobster was and still is the proverbial biz.) Anyway, wouldn't a real B7 movie have to have music by the Fun Lovin' Criminals? Hey, who needs religion and politics when there's music? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:02:47 +0800 From: "Fleur A Johnstone" <fleur@p086.aone.net.au> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] B7: Another most incompatible cast Message-Id: <199812200815.TAA29240@mail.mel.aone.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I wish all a very merry christmas. While in the UK, you'll be having a cold one, for us here in Oz it will be warm. The w/bureau are predicting around 33 degrees. There has been interesting input on casts for for a B7 movie, specially Neil's idea of having Rick Moranis for Blake (would you have him wear glasses or contacts?) and Pat's Gan being Sly Stallone (would he do anything other than grunt and/or shoot?)! Here is another alterative: B7 The Motion Picture - Back to Horizon The Cast most likely to be incompatible are: Blake - Antonio Banderas - for that exotic touch - he would have an eye for Jenna and Cally if they were interested! Avon - Kevin Spacey (plays the classic deadpan and/or psycho roles brilliantly. Does everyone remember his part in "Seven"?) Gan - Andre the Giant (remember him in his "Giant" role in The Princess Bride?)He would be the classic gentle giant. Villa - Jerry Seinfeld (to throw the cat amongst the pigeons) Cally - Cher (Beauty, brains and the psychic look. This could mark her current comeback) Jenna - Kate Winslett (the young beauty interest) Servalan - Melanie Griffith (but she'd have to change her hair colour and style to something drastic - like a green mohawk!) Zen - Brian Ferry or David Essex - for a soothing voice with intellect. Travis - Stephen Tompkinson (from Drop the Dead Donkey where he is well known for his ruthlessness, lack of regard for other's safety etc - watch out Gerry!) With the above cast how long do you think it would take for each to get on the others nerves?? Not very long....... There would be some rather amusing and entertaining moments though. Regards, Fleur. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:06:38 +0000 From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] UNCUT Message-ID: <JqKViBAuwMf2Ewbx@jajones.demon.co.uk> In message <199812200113.BAA28955@gnasher.sol.co.uk>, Dangermouse <master@sol.co.uk> writes >> Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the >> videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me >> exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly >> has been removed from them? > >AFAIK the only cut of the 26-tape set was of Avon clapping his hands over >the guard's ears in the fight in the computer room in Space Fall. > The tape of Rescue is allegedly uncut, but in fact is different to the broadcast version. It's missing a second or two at the end of the scene where Vila trips over the gun while drinking from the bottle - and it's that second or two that make it quite clear that Vila has to decide between rescuing his friends, and crawling into the bottle, and seriously considers crawling into the bottle... The final scene after the monster is killed is quite different to the broadcast version, and is obviously a different take, not just minor differences in editing. Broadcast has a continuous pan around from Dayna bending over the young man to the group by the stairs, and Soolin, standing at the back of the group, looks around at them before sneaking up the stairs. The tape has a cut from Dayna to the group, with no sign of Soolin. This doesn't make it clear that Soolin doesn't trust the existing group and has sneaked off to hide somewhere. -- Julia Jones ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:37:09 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: worst cast Message-ID: <367CE162.C0370FD@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat said: > Roj Blake.........................William Shatner The trouble is, if they did make a B7 movie, that could well be the case. Reuben suggested: > Cally - Claudia Christian What's wrong with that, it could work. > Written by - Terrance Dicks Arrgh! No. Get thee behind me Satan -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:55:35 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re:uncut Message-ID: <367CE5B4.4A293C09@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris asked: "Looking at mt collection of Blakes 7 vidos, I see that a most of the videos say "Contains 2 complete unedited episodes". Can anyone tell me exactly which episodes in the series have been edited and what exactly has been removed from them?" The strangest one comes from Space Fall. In the computer room scene where Avon attacks the guy, the final punch is edited out. It is strange, because in the video The Beginning, which is a heavily edited version of the early episodes, that scene is complete. -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:59:54 -0000 From: "Debra Collard" <Debra@whisson1.freeserve.co.uk> To: "B7L" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] B7L UK TV Monday Message-ID: <000401be2c1f$b5673200$6b12883e@whisson1globalnet.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harriet Monkhouse mentions that Clive James is taking a wry view of tv = sci fi on Monday night on the UK ITV at 10pm. According to my tv schedule pages Clive will be taking a special look at = his favourite sci fi- Blakes 7, but doesn't mention guests. As I usually = (well always) miss anything interesting on the tv it's great to have = advance warning. Thank you. Debra Collard ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Harriet Monkhouse mentions that = Clive James is=20 taking a wry view of tv sci fi on Monday night on the UK ITV at=20 10pm.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>According to my tv schedule pages = Clive will be=20 taking a special look at his favourite sci fi- Blakes 7, but doesn't = mention=20 guests. As I usually (well always) miss anything interesting on the tv = it's=20 great to have advance warning. Thank you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Debra = Collard</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE2C18.A37A6FA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:15:28 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us... Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1220111528-bc8Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Fri 18 Dec, Penny Dreadful wrote: > Judith said: > > > Or to put it another way, he wanted human contact as much as sex. > > Okay. I assume sex is an undercurrent in any male/female interaction, > until proven otherwise. I don't, perhaps because I have many male friends whom I intereact with on a totally non-sexual level. There's an undercurrent there with a few friends, but they're in a minority. > >> I think he felt isolated from, and (psychologically) threatened by, > >> normal people even when he was physically "normal". I think he felt > more > >> empathy for the mental processes of mutoids than he did for those of > >> normal people. > > > >Possibly. But why? > > Because normal people's minds tend to be convoluted conglomerations of > wants and fears and dreams (of varying grandiosity levels) of wealth, > love, power, pleasure; not to mention maintenance of various > social/familial relationships. Travis doesn't appear to suffer from such > complications, and he can't understand people who do. For instance he > always seems surprised to see what's going on in Servalan's head, and he > does not like to be surprised. Mutoids, on the other hand, don't have > Ulterior Motives. Travis can predict their behaviour, more or less, they > probably won't surprise him. Interesting, I never thought Servalan surprised him that much. They recognised one another's ruthless streak. I did catch occasional undercurrents (especially early on) between Travis and Servalan, but then Servalan managed to introduce a sexual element to almost every since interaction. I think Travis lost his ability to read Servalan as time went by. He became more fanatic and inward looking and she respected him less. Judith PS. For anyone who hasn't already heard it, I highly recommend 'Travis The Final Act'. It's an audio tape containing interviews with both actors who played Travis and also the script editor and it's very interesting. It gives a balanced look at the character and his background and includes relevent clips from the series to illustrate points being discussed. It was written by Alan Stevens, produced by Alistair Locke and is available from Horizon. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:21:06 PST From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Watching the detectives Message-ID: <19981220222107.1971.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hello all, and Neil Faulkner in particular Neil, just in case you haven't been informed of this already, Luke Thanet is the name Dorothy Simpson gave to her police detective. He has a daughter who likes Blake's 7. We are given this information as an explanation for his mental description of a minor character in "Puppet for a corpse" as looking like a younger version of Servalan. <grin> There are some who may not care for this description - there can be only one Servalan, after all, and I strongly suspect that thou shalt have no other Servalans (along the lines of the Ten Commandments). Now that I think of it, that subject line sounds more like a reference to the late Trooper Par and his colleagues at Sun Hill. Julia Jones said: >Some of us quite enjoyed the none-too-subtle BUARA scene in that book... Oh. Something to look forward to, then (?!?!?). All I've done so far is flick through some pages rather quickly. Unfortunately, some of the minor characters' names that I saw brought strange images to mind. Dr David Zukan, for instance. He, of course, will be dressed in grey, and have a bright orange topknot for a hairdo. That should impress his clients no end <grin> There is another character called Jarvik, for whom no image whatsoever comes to mind but, if reading the list's archives gives any indication, he must be a very manly man indeed! Harriet said: >but all I can remember is that I couldn't get any >mushrooms. <smile> Ah, I forgot about those. Not that what David Jackson eats has a direct correlation to what Gan eats, of course. Time to do something else, lest I find myself draped with tinsel (and, therefore, at risk of looking like some piece of circuitry from "Timelash" <groan>). Regards Joanne The tree ferns in green gullies sway, the cool stream flows silently by The joy bells are greeting the day, and the chimes are adrift in the sky --second verse of the previously mentioned carol. (It isn't lovely weather for a sleigh ride, and I'm not dreaming of a White Christmas. Consistent sunshine, instead of consistent humidity and threat of rain, would do nicely right now.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:12:00 -0500 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se> Subject: [B7L] Over the Moon Message-ID: <199812201912_MC2-6442-5FD@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Una kindly offered: >I now have digital TV. Anyone offering bribes for the 'Over the Moon' video? Wow, you managed to find a decoder in a shop? Perhaps you could bring a video to Redemption? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:20:05 PST From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com> To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Duel'... Message-ID: <19981221032005.19287.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Prurient Penny penned: >>I assume sex is an undercurrent in any male/female interaction and Judith said: >I don't, perhaps because I have many male friends whom I intereact with on a >totally non-sexual level. *Totally*? Well - maybe I've inadvertently absorbed too much Freud. Or Desmond Morris. Sometimes a machete is just a machete, eh? >I never thought Servalan surprised him that much. They recognised >one another's ruthless streak. Yes, but his ruthlessness is generally of the neat-and-tidy kind, efficiency. Like (arguably) a machine (I swear I will at some future point construct a coherent and seamless argument vis a vis Travis's machineliness). Servalan's desires, and her schemes, are murkier, much more complex. So he identifies with her ruthlessness, but this doesn't mean he can predict her behaviour. >I did catch occasional undercurrents (especially >early on) between Travis and Servalan, but then Servalan managed to introduce a >sexual element to almost every since interaction. The tramp! >I think Travis lost his ability to read Servalan as time went by. He became >more fanatic and inward looking and she respected him less. She bent and bashed her toy until it broke, and then it wasn't fun to play with any more. How seasonally apropos. -- Penny "Don't blame me, Doc, you're the one who keeps drawing dirty pictures" Dreadful ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #313 **************************************