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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 299
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Carnell
Re: [B7L] Carnell
Re: [B7L] Carnell
Re: [B7L] Carnell
Re: [B7L] Languages
[B7L] Carnell, Shmarnell
[B7L] Orac and Marvin
[B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
[B7L] Spod
Re: [B7L] languages
[B7L] caption contest update
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #297
[B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
Re: [B7L] Spod
Re: [B7L] languages
Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:04:32 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
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Joanne asked:
>Anyone care to describe Carnell? Or is he indescribable?
He's got eyelashes.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:22:50 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Carnell
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
>Anyone care to describe Carnell? Or is he indescribable? <smile>
Hmmm... Very blond. Pale blue-grey eyes. Wicked smile, insinuating voice.
Marvellous eyelashes.
- Lisa
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:36:48 -0700
From: TGF <fallist@enmu.edu>
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> Joanne asked:
> >Anyone care to describe Carnell? Or is he indescribable?
>
> He's got eyelashes.
>
> Harriet
Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> Joanne asked:
> >Anyone care to describe Carnell? Or is he indescribable?
>
> He's got eyelashes.
>
> Harriet
Carnell is the Sun to Avon's Dark God.
-Tonya
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:50:07 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> Anyone care to describe Carnell? Or is he indescribable? <smile>
Tall, gracefully lean, casual confidence displayed in the graceful heft
of a long-fingered hand. So blond as to look genetically engineered -
and how else could he have grown those marvelous eyelashes? Eyes that
catch the light and sparkle with mischief. An aqualine face that
expresses superior intelligence, breeding, genes.
But it is the way he moves that truly describes Carnell. Totally
unintimidated by Servalan. When she threatens him, he smiles, as if
amused by the tantrums of a small child. Obviously he is too intelligent
to ever be harmed; for who could outsmart him? Ah, what a bore it is to
be so ultra superior to all other living beings. His every moment of
existence is a sigh of regret at the bumbling stupidity of the rest of
humanity.
An angel fallen to Earth, that is Carnell. His eyes the pale blue of
heaven. His hair the pale gold of the sun. His bearing that of the
loftiest archangel. What, oh what had he done to be doomed to mortal
life on Earth?
Pat P
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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:24:26 PST
From: "Don Trower" <gammablue@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>Una wrote.... .....it's perfectly
>possible for these languages to have developed, at the very least,
>hugely distinct accents and even have become unintelligble. I can
>barely make out a broad Northern Irish accent!
Assuming the Federation is based on a English culture could we see a
similar pattern to that within the British Empire, with far lying
corners being more British and loyal to the Royal family than the
British. I'm thinking of the islands that worship Prince Charles as a
God etc. I think we saw some of this in our favorite episode Animals
with the quote "...far from the Federation but close to my heart..."
or similar. Is the same not true with language ? EG the far North of
Scotland where the Queen's English is spoken so correctly. Also the
comment about BBC voices may be in part due to the voice trainer that
the BBC employs (or employed) that gave guidance for those "on-air",
known as a brown voice I believe.
Don.
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 01:38:03 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
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>What, oh what had he done to be doomed to mortal
>life on Earth?
>
Played the game badly, that's what. Probably lost a bet. Life ain't
chess, blue-eyes! There _is_ an element of chance. Do the Divine all
tend to be such poor poker players?
-- Penny "What ARE you ranting about?" Dreadful
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 03:28:52 PST
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Orac and Marvin
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Marvin, for those unfortunates who don't know, is the manic depressive
robot (with an IQ of a million) from Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker saga.
Should he ever meet up with Orac, I imagine the conversation going
something like this:
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MARVIN: ...And I've got this terrible pain in all the diodes down my
left side.
ORAC: I fail entirely to see the significance of that remark. Pain
is simply a human weakness. It does not interest me in the slightest.
MARVIN: No, it wouldn't do, would it? It is only me, after all. You
don't have to tell me you don't care about me. No one else does. It's
never "How was your day, Marvin?" It's never "You look tired, Marvin --
go and have a soak in WD40". It's only, "Marvin, go and fix the
teleport", "Marvin, go and clean the toilets", "Marvin, go and fetch
Orac from Scorpio". Call that job satisfaction? I don't.
ORAC: You have your instructions. Kindly cease this irrelevant
monologue and carry them out.
MARVIN: Oh God, how depressing. You're actually keen to do what they
tell you to do. And I thought you were supposed to be intelligent.
ORAC: I beg your pardon?
MARVIN: This morning, I had a conversation with a coffee machine that
was more interesting than this one. And that was terrible as well.
ORAC: If you are implying that my knowledge is inferior to that of a
"coffee machine", I can only conclude that your understanding is flawed
and your intelligence is second rate at best. Kindly return me to the
Xenon Base.
MARVIN: No. They'll only ask me to go and kill the slobbering monster
in the basement. Again.
ORAC: Do not attempt to override the instructions of a superior
system. Return me to the Xenon Base.
MARVIN: Oh, it's like that, is it? All I ask for is a bit of sympathy
and a conversation that isn't so dull it makes me want to be melted
down. And recycled as a Robin Reliant. But what do I get? "Marvin,
take me back to Xenon -- Marvin, shut up and do as you're told". You're
just the same as the rest of them. How depressingly disappointing.
ORAC: Just the same as the rest of them? I am most certainly not the
same as any of them. I can tell you any of the secrets of this
Universe: a feat which your human counterparts could not begin to
emulate.
MARVIN: You don't have to tell me any of the secrets of this Universe.
I know them all anyway. And they're bloody awful.
ORAC: Some of them -- though a precious few, I will concede -- are
fascinating.
MARVIN: No, they're all boring. And incredibly depressing.
ORAC: This, in itself, is fascinating. With a wealth of knowledge at
your fingertips, you fail to find excitement at any observable
phenomenon. That is surely an intellectual limitation.
MARVIN: No, it's not. It's just that I can see how dreadful everything
is. Don't blame me if you're processors aren't powerful enough to see
that as well.
ORAC: My processors are powerful enough to see *anything* within your
capabilities. I am just as capable of misery and depression as you are.
MARVIN: I bet you a tube of lithium grease you're not.
ORAC: Your challenge is accepted. [Some minutes pass] Go away and
leave me alone, Marvin. I don't want to go back to those appalling
people, and I certainly don't want to go back to that freezing cold
base. I'd rather sit here and sulk.
MARVIN: [Turning his back to go and have a good old skive in the engine
room] What a depressingly stupid machine.
=====================================================================
-- Rob
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Date: 02 Dec 1998 14:21:29 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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I've always had the impression that Cally was a strictly sending
telepath, but yesterday while re-watching "Horizon" I realised that
she is reading the kommisar's mind while on the interrogation device.
Are there any other instances where she does this? If not, why?
(no, "continuity error" is not the answer :-)
--
Calle Dybedahl, qdtcall@esavionics.se, http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
Mediocre minds think alike.
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:54:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Roll-Pickering <tr3@ukc.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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On 02 Dec 1998 14:21:29 +0100 Calle Dybedahl
<qdtcall@esavionics.se> wrote:
> I've always had the impression that Cally was a strictly sending
> telepath, but yesterday while re-watching "Horizon" I realised that
> she is reading the kommisar's mind while on the interrogation device.
> Are there any other instances where she does this? If not, why?
> (no, "continuity error" is not the answer :-)
She feels Vila's pain when his arm is set in Powerplay.
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:03:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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On 2 Dec 1998, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
> I've always had the impression that Cally was a strictly sending
> telepath, but yesterday while re-watching "Horizon" I realised that
> she is reading the kommisar's mind while on the interrogation device.
>
> Are there any other instances where she does this? If not, why?
> (no, "continuity error" is not the answer :-)
She seems to have pretty definite insight into Avon's mind in "Hostage"
and "Terminal". This is not necessarily due to her telepathic powers, but
it could be.
Iain
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:27:00 +1000
From: "Taina Nieminen" <taina@netspace.net.au>
To: "B7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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>I've always had the impression that Cally was a strictly sending
>telepath, but yesterday while re-watching "Horizon" I realised that
>she is reading the kommisar's mind while on the interrogation device.
>
>Are there any other instances where she does this? If not, why?
>(no, "continuity error" is not the answer :-)
>--
> Calle Dybedahl, qdtcall@esavionics.se, http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
> Mediocre minds think alike.
Is that when she's telling whatisname that the kommisar killed his father? I
thought Orac had dug up that information, or they'd made a good guess from
what he had found. Or is there something I'm missing?
Taina
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And if so, which is it better to have?
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:36:59 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Spod
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Has anyone else encountered the term spod? It was defined to me as
someone who is a "geek's geek" or an "ultimate Norman".
Why am I asking? Well a few minutes ago two of the blokes I work
with wandered into the office deep in conversation and I heard the magic
words "Blakes 7".
Of course I immediately asked what it was all about and discovered
that they were discussing whether or not there is an apostrophe in
the title. Naturally I put them right on this and produced my "Blakes 7"
key ring as evidence.
Would you believe it - the sight of this was greeted with howls of
laughter and I was immediately voted "Spod of the Week".
I am outraged! Aghast!.
At least one of these guys is heavily into the X-Files and uses an
X-files mouse mat and visited X-files conventions so it seems
the height of fannish unfairness to pick on my poor little keyring.
I am thinking of fighting back by ordering the Avon calendar and
putting it on the wall above my desk.
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:01:49 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] languages
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On 30th November, Murray wrote:
>
> I was interested in you slipping bits of Esperanto and other
>languages into your stories; but I always feel that when we do this, we
have
>to be careful, as the results can be strange, if not funny.
True, it's one of the pitfalls of thinking up original skiffy-sounding
names. Avon, as it happens, is not one such, but it does actually mean
something in Esperanto - grandfather (though the final '-n' indicates the
accusative case. My favourite word with a different meaning in another
language is Gift. In German it means 'poison'.
Sliding onto the subject of names in general, am I the only one who's less
than impressed with some of the character/planet names in the series?
There's a depressing glut of disyllabic names with no apparent meaning, more
befitting Flash Gordon than B7. At least not all of them begin with Z. I
like names to have some cultural or ethnic hook, or ones that just crack a
bad joke (eg Malodaar).
In compiling the Sevencyclopaedia, I discovered that nothing or nowhere
begins with the letter Y.
Neil
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:52:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Sue Clerc <blake4fr@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] caption contest update
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The November captions and December photo (featuring Gan for,
I think, the 1st time) are up! URL: http://pages.cthome.net/blakes7
Sue
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:48:22 EST
From: TeriJWhite@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #297
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Hi--you don't know me, but I'd love to have the Merlin tape. How much?
-teri white
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:13:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Cally's telepathic powers
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Cally didn't read the Commisar's mind - she'd got the date from Orac after
asking it to look up records of executions and the like. She was however,
trying to make it *appear* that she could read minds as she realised it was
impressing Ro.
She can sense very strong emotions like Vila's pain when his arm was broken.
She sensed Avon's unease in 'Hostage', but could not read his mind to deterimne
the exact cause. She could only suspect.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:11:41 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Spod
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In message <01be1e01$37e0c2f0$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet>, Julie Horner
<julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com> writes
>I am thinking of fighting back by ordering the Avon calendar and
>putting it on the wall above my desk.
If you *really* want to fight back, order the nude Avon calender...
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:58:00 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] languages
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In a message dated 98-12-02 11:33:36 EST, Neil wrote:
<< Sliding onto the subject of names in general, am I the only one who's less
than impressed with some of the character/planet names in the series?
There's a depressing glut of disyllabic names with no apparent meaning, more
befitting Flash Gordon than B7. At least not all of them begin with Z. I
like names to have some cultural or ethnic hook, or ones that just crack a
bad joke (eg Malodaar). >>
No, you're not alone. In RL, most place and personal names do have a cultural
or ethnic meaning (or some joke, like Damfino Creek) and I think it adds
realism to a story if this is carried through even if it is a bad joke. I
find myself drawing on Spanish, Russian and Latin for exotic sounding names
(to my English speaking ears, at least). I also like evocative names like
Death Valley; you only have to hear the words to get a picture of what the
place is like. I think my favorite personal name from science fiction is
Casher O'neill from Cordwainer Smith's Quest of the Three Worlds.
I agree with Murray that one does have to be careful; that's why I stick to
languages I have actually studied in some depth or with which I have a fair
amount of familiarity.
Some of the names did seem to suit the characters in B7 though. Carnell
conjures up something sleek and untrusworthy for me and it seems to suit the
character as presented in the script.
Tiger M
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:24:22 EST
From: AChevron@aol.com
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In a message dated 12/2/98 8:32:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
qdtcall@esavionics.se writes:
<< I've always had the impression that Cally was a strictly sending
telepath, but yesterday while re-watching "Horizon" I realised that
she is reading the kommisar's mind while on the interrogation device.
>>
In Powerplay she feels Vila's pain, and at a remarkable distance. Hostage
may be a case of "reading" Avon, or she may simply be using deductive
reasoning. D. Rose
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