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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 234
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Blake and Seldon
Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
RE: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
Re: [B7L] videos & books
Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
[B7L] Ahah! So that's what the teeth are for...
Re: [B7L] videos & books
[B7L] videos & books
Re: [B7L] videos & books
Re: [B7L] videos & books
[B7L] B7 offered by Columbia House
Re: [B7L] videos & books
Re: [B7L] videos & books
Re: [B7L] Ahah! So that's what the teeth are for...
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:18:01 +0100
From: "Taylor, Steve [CCS]" <S.Taylor@lmu.ac.uk>
To: "'B7'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Blake and Seldon
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Has anyone ever done a comparison between the Federation ans the Empire
in the Asimov Foundation novels.
It seems to me that there are quite a lot of similarities in the
totalitarian attitudes although I prefer Servalan to Cleon III!
SteveT
Back after a long lurk
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:20:56 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
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>In message <19980909120530.1647.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Clother
><whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> writes
>>Another idea before I leg it: did anyone
>>notice the sudden change that
>>came over Blake at the end of "Redemption"? The way he ordered >>Avon
back to his position showed a side of his personality we'd
>>only guessed at up until that point.
>It appears earlier than that, in Breakdown, with a threat to destroy
>a surgeon's hands.
And, I suppose, in Bounty, when he begins to destroy Sarkov's (sp?)
possessions piece by piece. However, I can't remember any incidents of
Blake being so openly autocratic with his own crew prior to Redemption.
I know -- we all know -- that his "You're free to leave whenever you
want" line was just hot air, intended simply to reinforce the opposite
meaning. But at least that was Mr Nice at work. Mr Nasty didn't show
himself to the crew until the second season -- unless I missed some
crucial sign in the first.
Any suggestions?
-- Rob
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:51:30 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
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Rob said:
While I can see a definite moggy side to Avon's personality, I can't
think of Blake having much in common with the canine species. He's too
complicated. Not even the smartest alpha wolf could lead his pack with
the same sardonic brilliance that Blake could command.
On the other hand, Tarrant seems like the perfect dog to Avon's cat.
All his positive qualities -- loyalty, persistence, sensitivity -- and
all his negative ones -- petulance, naivete, insensitivity -- are very
much what you'd associate with a dog struggling to establish his place
in a pack.
[Jacqueline Thijsen] Now here's an interesting question (I think): who on B7 are cat-people, and who are dog-people?
Cat people:
Servalan
Avon
Soolin
Vila
Orac
Dog people:
Blake (a very smart one)
Jenna
Cally
Travis
Gan
Zen
Anyone have different opinions?
Bye,
Jacqueline Thijsen
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:48:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
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On Wed 09 Sep, Julia Jones wrote:
> In message <19980909120530.1647.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Clother
> <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> writes
> >Another idea before I leg it: did anyone notice the sudden change that
> >came over Blake at the end of "Redemption"? The way he ordered Avon
> >back to his position showed a side of his personality we'd only guessed
> >at up until that point.
>
> It appears earlier than that, in Breakdown, with a threat to destroy a
> surgeon's hands.
Blake always had a ruthless streak, it merely required the right conditions to
bring it out.
On the London, he gave way to Raiker's threat to kill the prisoners. He knew
his friends had no choice and would be killed otherwise.
On Cygnus Alpha, he refused to back down before a very similar threat from
Vargas. Vargas threatened to kill one of the prisoners of Blake didn't hand
over the Liberaor. In this case, Blake refused. I think the difference here
fom Blake's point of view was that the prisoners had a chance to take control of
their own fate. Vargas didn't have guns. If the prisoners had the guts to make
a stand, then they had a high chance of survival. The stakes were also higher -
Liberator offered him a real chance of achieving something.
I've just been rewatching the first two episodes and it's incredible what
powerful pieces of drama they are in their own right. If the first episode had
to exist soley on its own merits, without the rest of the series, it would still
have a high impact.
Henry (my 11 year old) said he'd never seen the first episode and was watching
it last night on the edge of his seat. Tel Varon's death really hit him. "He
was the only man who could have proved Blake innocent."
Judith
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:25:58 +0500
From: Jem Dixon <JemD@skyview.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] videos & books
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Deep breath as I de-lurk for the first time.
Until now, whenever I've been about to take the plunge and e-mail the list,
someone has got in before me with the same comment, only better put. This.
time, (I hope) I think I may have some useful information.
This afternoon I visited the BBC shop at Broadcasting House in London. It's
brand new, and has opened to coincide with the BBC Experience exhibition, but
you don't have to pay for the exhibition to get in the shop.
I have to admit, I went there to look at Dr. Who videos, but, whilst I was on
the lower floor I noticed that they are selling the new series of B7 videos.
They appeared to have all the titles so far released, so anyone having trouble
finding them elsewhere might try there. The prices in the shop didn't seem to
bad either, the Dr. Who tapes were cheaper then elsewhere.
NB. the only reason I'm not buying the new releases is because I managed to
obtain custody of the full set of original BBC releases in my divorce
settlement.
Also, having admitted to being a Whovian, a couple of things have come up in
Dr. Who magazine recently;
The first is that the eighth Doctors new companion in the BBC books is
supposed to be a Vila type character. The first book with him in it Doctor
Who: The Taint is due out in February next year.
Also, in the September issue news round up it says;
"Future plans for the 'old Doctors' range include a second novel from former
TV scripter Chris Boucher, this time a sequel to his popular 1977 serial 'The
Robots of Death'. This book, tentatively scheduled for a spring/summer 1999
release, will also serve as a first 'official' Blake's 7/Doctor Who
'crossover' adventure, featuring as it will an important character from one of
Boucher's Blake episodes.
It doesn't say which character, but if anyone's starting to take bets, I'd say
it'll be Bayban the Butcher.
--
Yours,
Jem.
(female, Vila type personality, to cover two discussions of recent times).
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:27:59 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant Nostra baiting/raining cats & dogs
Message-ID: <I2XV1GAfwA+1EweD@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <19980910122057.3014.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Clother
<whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> writes
>And, I suppose, in Bounty, when he begins to destroy Sarkov's (sp?)
>possessions piece by piece. However, I can't remember any incidents of
>Blake being so openly autocratic with his own crew prior to Redemption.
>I know -- we all know -- that his "You're free to leave whenever you
>want" line was just hot air, intended simply to reinforce the opposite
>meaning. But at least that was Mr Nice at work. Mr Nasty didn't show
>himself to the crew until the second season -- unless I missed some
>crucial sign in the first.
This is why I quoted Breakdown rather than Bounty - in Breakdown, the
crew witness it although it isn't directed at them.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:05:57 PDT
From: "Joanne MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Ahah! So that's what the teeth are for...
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Good morning, all. Friday again (whatever the date at the top tells
you).
Nicola sayeth:
>Well, it's either that or get maimed in the process of being torn
bodily off him ; )
Fair enough. Frightening picture, though - hordes of Meegatus Bournensis
stampeding after Nicola (sorry about that, just a reference to my
private classification system, as yet to be extended to fans of other B7
characters. Kathryn knows what I mean, even if no one else does),
wanting to tear her limb from limb for her presumption. Generosity seems
like the best course of action, if not the only course <smile>
>Us Leos do have our pride, you know.
I do know, as it's almost the only point where Leo characteristics and
mine meet. Maybe you ought to find your own nice little corner for a bit
- the hordes might be less likely to look for you there. Not my corner,
however, unless you want to be bothered by Tarrant Nostra looking for
converts (pity I don't know what Katrina, the Sydney agent of that
notorious group, looks like. Time for paranoia yet?)
Regards
Joanne
If we meet in Another Life, Please don't be Shirley MacLaine!
--Kaz Cooke, The Little Book of Crap.
PS: Rob, Sue Clerc will kill you whenever she reappears, and I imagine a
lot of Blake fans will help her. Even this less than dedicated Avon fan
has noticed who else was on the Liberator for the first two seasons!
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:18:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: "G. Robbins" <robbins@graceland.edu>
To: Jem Dixon <JemD@skyview.demon.co.uk>
cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] videos & books
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Phah! No better way to get the series but by divorce settlement!!
:)
I wish I was in Great Britain so I could get copies of the
videocassettes...it is so hard to find any here on retail in the US.
However, I was told once that videotape format in the UK is different than
the States, so that wouldn't help me anyway. ARGH!
--Grace
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:51:25 EDT
From: SuzanThoms@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] videos & books
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>>Grace wrote:
>>I wish I was in Great Britain so I could get copies of the
>>videocassettes...it is so hard to find any here on retail in
>>the US. However, I was told once that videotape format in
>>the UK is different than the States, so that wouldn't help me
>>anyway. ARGH! <<
If anyone is interested, you can special order them in the states from
Suncoast Video. I was missing eight vols and put an order in for them. I
just picked them up today. It only took three days.
They don't have the new releases. Just the old ones, but I've never found any
fault with them. The picture and sound is excellent.
Suzanne
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:34:07 EDT
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] videos & books
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Jem wrote "Future plans for the 'old Doctors' range include a second novel
from former TV scripter Chris Boucher....This book will also serve as a first
'official' Blake's 7/Doctor Who 'crossover' adventure, featuring as it will an
important character from one of Boucher's Blake episodes."
Thanks for the information, Jem! A B7/Dr. Who crossover book sounds very
exciting and is definitely worth looking for.
By the way, for those of you in the US, Columbia House Video Library is
offering both B7 and Dr. Who tapes through the mail. Since I already have all
of the B7 ones, I'm getting the Dr. Who tapes, and it definitely brightens my
day to go out to my mailbox and see the Doctor waiting for me!
Gail
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:54:13 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] videos & books
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Grace said:
>However, I was told once that videotape format in the UK is different than
>the States, so that wouldn't help me anyway. ARGH!
That's right, UK VCRs (and those from New Zealand and Australia and a
bunch of other places) use the PAL system, while US VCRs use the NTSC
system. However, you can now get VCRs which can play tapes made in either
format. We have one which is several years old now that can do this. Just
another feature to shop for if you're after a new VCR.
ttfn, Nicola
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"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV."
54 sleeps!
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:13:35 EDT
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com (Penny Kjelgaard)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B7 offered by Columbia House
Message-ID: <19980910.200409.14367.4.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
Columbia House is now offering B7 in its collecions. The first video,
The Way Back/Spacefall is $4.95 + shipping of $3.79 and tax. The
subsequent videos are $19.95 + $3.79 and tax, which will work out to
25-26 bucks. It may be an option if the videos can't be purchased
elsewhere, but I believe you could find them at a lower price elsewhere.
http://www.columbiahouse.com/vl
Peace,
Penny
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Date: 11 Sep 1998 08:33:58 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] videos & books
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Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz> writes:
> However, you can now get VCRs which can play tapes made in either
> format.
Reports from friends who have moved to the US indicates that while
such VCRs are trivial to find here (if it's a good enough VCR to have
stereo sound, it'll grok NTSC as well), they're almost unheard of
over there. Seemed to be "The US are the whole world"-syndrome.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
Mediocre minds think alike.
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 03:09:42 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] videos & books
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
>Reports from friends who have moved to the US indicates that while
>such VCRs are trivial to find here (if it's a good enough VCR to have
>stereo sound, it'll grok NTSC as well), they're almost unheard of
>over there.
True. I had to call all over the place before I finally found someone who
could order one for me. The people at most of the video and electronics
stores had no idea what I was talking about. There are only one or two
consumer-grade models available (Aiwa has one, and possibly Panasonic --
don't know if the latter's version is still on the market), and they're
significantly more expensive than a standard VCR, besides being very
difficult to find.
- Lisa
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:50:23 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Ahah! So that's what the teeth are for...
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>PS: Rob, Sue Clerc will kill you whenever she reappears, and I
>imagine a
>lot of Blake fans will help her.
Let's see. I'm due to get my legs broken by the TN, my arms broken by
Avon's fans (silly buggers that they are), and now the Blake fraternity
are after me as well.
I've got to go -- I promised to go and have a beer with my mate
Salman...
Cheerio,
Lord Lucan XXXX
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