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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 98 : Issue 201

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold 
	 RE: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold 
	 Re: [B7L] Re:  Flag waving-- LONG
	 [B7L] Fwd: b7 shorty
	 Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold 
	 [B7L] long flag waving-yikes!
	 RE: [B7L] long flag waving-yikes!

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:05:17 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold 
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> I also note that on Sunday 16th Aug at 9.05am, the Dr Who Omnibus
> is 'Silurians'. Isn't that the one with a certain young Mr Darrow in it?

Yep.

> I am not sure I have ever seen that story - or not since I was a kid,
> can anyone tell me is it any good?

Yes, much better than his later appearance in Lameshit

> Has PD got a significant role?

Middling

> Is it worth setting the video for?

Yes.
 

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:39:59 +0100
From: Anne Lane <aplane@tesco.net>
To: "'Blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold 
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On Friday, July 24, 1998 8:42 PM, Julie Horner [SMTP:jihorner@dial.pipex.com] 
wrote:
>
> The Cable and Wireless Guide for August agrees with that exactly and
> they are usually pretty accurate.
>
> I also note that on Sunday 16th Aug at 9.05am, the Dr Who Omnibus
> is 'Silurians'. Isn't that the one with a certain young Mr Darrow in it?
>
> I am not sure I have ever seen that story - or not since I was a kid,
> can anyone tell me is it any good? Has PD got a significant role?
> Is it worth setting the video for?
>

I believe The Silurians was the first Jon Pertwee story. As a confirmed 
Hartnell fan, I never liked Pertwee as the Doctor - very good in himself, but 
more Adam Adamant or John Steed than a time lord. But when I saw The Silurians 
last time it was on UK Gold I really enjoyed it - if Pertwee's interpretation 
had continued in that vein I would have liked him.

It also is quite a complex tale, good and bad on both sides. the Silurians are 
not evil monsters and the humans do some pretty despicable things. And PD looks 
good!

Anne

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:20:55 +0930
From: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>
To: <s.thompson8@genie.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:  Flag waving-- LONG
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I do apologise for this, Calle, and I will 
try to keep it brief; but I am so tired of this.
Sarah's obsessive, hateful and lying 
behaviour is ludicrous - she has come 
down to using this list to attack me
for bizarre reasons of her own.  However, 
since I have been lied about - and, yes, 
you did cause pain, are you happy you fulfilled 
your intentions? - I want to simply correct 
her statements.  Her hateful words themselves I 
will leave to stand as evidence on their own right, 
but I want to remind you thatm, for the second 
time, Sarah has used a discussion I am not 
even involved in to launch a personal attack on me.

>1)  South Australia was founded as a multicultural utopia.


Stupid.  I claimed that South Australia was
founded as a utopia which broke away from
the other models of English settlement,
encouraging settlers of all religion, taking on
a large German and Welsh immigrant force 
and declaring, in its founding Procalmation,
that the aborigines were to be given due
respect and reparation.  I also stated that
in practice we didn't live up to that.  And I said
we are multicultural *now.*  "White Australia" 
was repealed before I was born.

>The fact is that Australia banned immigration by nonwhites until
> 1973, as any basic reference book will show (for example, =The
> World Almanac=, 1997 edition, p. 741).  The only way this statement
> could be construed as true is if Lindley is a white supremacist who
> believes that it is reasonable to call a society "multicultural" if
> it includes various European nationalities, even though others are
> excluded.

Actually, that's true.  (not the white
supremacist business - I'm active in non-racist
causes.)  Multicultural - of more than one
culture.  You're thinking of mutiracial.  Different
concept.  But, of course, as any basic reference
would tell you, we had an Aboriginal (duh), Chinese,
Japanese and Islander population long before the
White Australia legislation was introduced.

>2)  No one in Australia would find it offensive to be described as
> a member of the Ku Klux Klan or other racist organization.
> (Specifically, Lindley said that none of the comments of her friend
> Fran Meyers would be considered offensive in Australia; and Fran,
> as Lindley well knew, had just made a group of Americans very angry
> by telling us we belonged to the Klan and claiming afterwards that
> it was intended to be a funny joke, and that we were mean and cruel
> and intolerant of Australian humor if we didn't like it.)

You are deliberately misinterpreting Fran's
remark, knowing she is no longer here to
stand up for herself, in order to put a
deliberately misleading construction on
myt defence of her.

Your writing about One Nation is, plainly, stupid.
Her support *peaked* at 10 percent - she stands
for a tiny minority of Australians.  And her presence
in the democratic system is a good thing, becuase
it has provoked the apathetic majority to stand up for
multiculturalism and against racism - at most of
her meetings, attendees have *far* been
outnumbered by protesters.


>3)  The incest taboo is "silly," because it's really just a cover-
> up for a deeper taboo against homosexuality.

I argued that the incest taboo and the taboo against
homosexuality are interlinked and support each other,
yes.  And the "silly" taboo I was talking about was not
parent-child incest but relationships between cousins,
specifically Blake and his pretty cousin in "Hostage."

>I also think that the attempt to associate homosexuality with
> pedophilia is appallingly homophobic in its implications.

<shrug> I made no such implication.  I am perfectly 
aware that most sexual abuse, towards children
*or* adults, is heterosexual.  And I am also perfectly 
aware that in many cultures, inculding some Aboriginal
ones, adult-child sex is a normal part of maturing
and causes no ill effects.  That's not the same
as condoning rich white men using starving Asian
child prostitutes.

>4)  Compulsory voting tends to support progressive legislation.
> Actually, Lindley put this the other way around, slamming the U.S.
> for our freedom not to vote if we don't want to. 

Rubbish.  Teh US is hardly teh only stytem with
non-complusary voting.  And there is no such thing
as truly complusary voting - as I stated repeatedly,
the only complusion is to bother to turn up.


> it is acceptable to use lies instead.  I'm referring specifically
> to her claim that I share Kathryn Andersen's beliefs on slash, and
> on homosexuality in general.

I said you were homophobic.  I know you are
a slash writer, but I don't think one thing
necessariuly connects with teh other.

Kathryn I care for and respect, because she is
forthright and honest in her beliefs about homosexuality.
She doesn't sneer, insert "buts," or indulge in hypocritical
self-justifications.  In fact, she is not homophobic
at all, simply copmmitted to a religion which forbids
same-sex behaviour.  So we are able to agree to 
disagree.

 - XXX Lindley
Ophelia - ophelia@picknowl.com.au 
"The girl has beauty, virtue, wit,
Grace, humour, wisdom, charity and pluck."
LONDON CALLING - a list to discuss Britcoms and knockwurst.
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/2511/knockwurst.html

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:20:46 PDT
From: "Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Fwd: b7 shorty
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   I was planning on using this as an opening for a somewhat gen story 
involving the pov of Avon, Cally and Vila. It is basicly the same story, 
but with the different viewpoints...is it truly the same story? Anyway, 
how about this as an opening?

>
>   The Leader
>       There was an ancient myth on Earth, Pre Atomic era, that had as 
it's
>center a woman so ugly one was turned to stone. Ugly, but so compelling 
one had
>to look.Too ugly to bear. Or too beautiful to bear. The point was, the 
woman had
>commit a grave sin against a goddess- she dare make love in the temple, 
and so
>was punished,so that none who saw her could live and touch her.
>        Avon looked at Blake. He had touched him already.
>


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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:27:43 +0100
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 on UK Gold 
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Anne wrote:

>I believe The Silurians was the first Jon Pertwee story


Actually, his second, the Auton Invasion was his first.

>It also is quite a complex tale, good and bad on both sides. the Silurians
are
>not evil monsters and the humans do some pretty despicable things. And PD
looks >good!


Seconded!  Despite the ridiculous obviously-fake-upper-class-accent.

Heather.

'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:36:28 PDT
From: "Edith Spencer" <sueno45@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] long flag waving-yikes!
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                  To all, and particalurly Sarah T.-
          Darn! I feel as if i am at one of my dysfunctional family get 
togethers, where all sorts of meanness, misunderstandings and casual 
cruelty is aired out. I got on this quite some time after the comments 
in Sarah T.'s posting was said, but please allow me to make a few 
comments:
           1. I went to school with a lot people who just did their 
assignments, reinforced what their parents taught them, and got married 
without truly challenging their mindview about the world. As member of a 
"ethnic minority" group ( as you may have guessed, I am half 
Afro-hispanic, half Canadian) I was amazed that the people that I went 
to school, otherwise smart people, believed some astonishingly weird 
shit about world and never took the time or energy to see if that stuff 
was true. So, dear Sarah, it is possible for people to be at university 
and still pick up/retain bizarre or untrue theories about the world.
          2. Like my departed Dad said, never scream at anyone whose 
religious or personal beliefs are different from your own. Disaggre 
strongly, but never be nasty. The world is nasty enough. Actually, 
because my parents took part in varouis marches and civil rights stuff 
in the sixties and seventies, that was how they went about spreading 
their message. And if they could that in trying to make the USA a better 
place, surely we can do that on an online comunnity. :)
        3. Yes, dear sarah, I do agree- the USA is quite imperfect, but 
we are willing sometimes to admit to it and try in own individual and 
collective ways to make it better. The history of the USA is woven with 
equal measures of heroism, hatred, shame, love and redemption. I suspect 
that if we dont f*ck it up, too badly, there might be hope for us yet. 
Which leads me to...
        4. The reason I joined this list. I wanted to discuss the show, 
the actors, and so on, but was also curious about what other people from 
other parts of the globe thought. I think all of you have something 
worthwhile to say, and it should be said with respect, humor and 
clarity.

                                    Enough gush for now.
                                        Edith(not Piaf)
         

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 13:01:21 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] long flag waving-yikes!
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I like Edith's subject line better, but other than that I think Calle had the best answer. Sarah's incredible acid spewing (I deleted it after reading just a few lines, because I was afraid it would melt my screen) deserves no more.
Like Edith, I joined this list in hopes of finding people I could talk to about a show I loved, even though I hadn't seen it for more than ten years. What I found was a warm and funfilled community that I would stay with even if there were no postings about B7 anymore. Let's not allow this nastiness to spoil it. As far as I'm concerned, that's why they put that delete button on my keyboard.

Be nice, please?

Jacqueline

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