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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 154
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: Warlord
[B7L] other than Avon
Re: [B7L] Warlord
Re: [B7L] Warlord
[B7L] The tape saga continueth...
[B7L] Help sought in selecting the Babylon XI for cricket match
[B7L] (Fwd) request for help (fwd)
Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth
Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth
[B7L] Lost in Space
Re: [B7L] UK Gold June
[B7L] New zines
[B7L] 'Games'
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:45:15 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Warlord
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At 00:14 1/06/98 Deborah wrote:
>5) The more I watch this episode, the better I like it. Servalan at her most
>cunning, Zukan with his regrets and what-if -I'd thrown-in-with-Avon, the
>Betafarl chase scene, the overall plotline was well done. Just took a bit to
>get past the hairdos...
>
except that the Betaphal scenes proved without a doubt that Federation
soldiers are required to have an IQ in the single digits -- trying to stake
a man down into sand?? Hadn't they read their megalomaniac's handbook --
if you're going to shoot the prisoner just shoot him, don't tie him up and
then turn your back for a moment to see if he kills you first...
But Soolin's quick betrayal of Avon was wonderful!
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(occasionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:57:02 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] other than Avon
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Question for the day...
What do you think would have been the outcome if anyone other than Avon had
taken over the Liberator after Star One?
Vila...
Find a smallish out-of-the way planet with a vicous government, overthrow
it and live the rest of life as a benign dictator
Tarrant...
piracy
Dayna
everyone gets killed in a mass attack on Servalan's headquarters
Soolin
Would probably have tried to get rid of Servalan, but only so she could
have her job.
Cally
would probably have tried to continue the revolution without Blake, but
more passively. Probably the most likely to do anything meaningful.
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The Loch Mess Monster
(occasionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:29:36 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Warlord
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On Sun 31 May, Ophelia wrote:
> I have another Warlord question - *why* the zombies on the escalator? Why
> were they being killed? And why drugged first? It may be the equivalent of
> of handing them soap and a towel and telling them they're going to be
> de-loused - thus proving that sci fi can only equal the horrors humans are
> capable of, not exceeding them - but it seems an inefficient use of resources.
> Why program people two seconds away from being corpses? Especially in
> comparison to the efficiency the Federation showed in, say, Countdown.
I've several possible takes on this.
If I recall correctly, Pylene 50 was often introduced via the water supply, so
whole populations would be drugged at a go. Let's assume that the entire planet
was drugged.
The question then is why these particular people were being shot.
1. (and watching the troopers, I half believe it.) They were bored and just
did it for fun. These drugged zombies simply didn't mean anything to them.
2. There had been a grain failure or similar and famine threatened, The
simplest solution was to remove some excess workers.
3. They were members of some religious or political minority and somebody in
power took the chance to remove them while nobody was capable of intervening.
Judith
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:10:34 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Ophelia" <ophelia@picknowl.com.au>, "B7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Warlord
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Ophelia wrote:
> I thought that Avon was suggesting that
> Zeeona felt it was her responsibility to take on any
> *danger* in repairing the damage her father had
> done, and that Tarrant would insist on the same in
> her position. When I think of it like that, her act in
> removing the glove seems illogical.
It looks to me very much like the writer suddenly realised that he'd
forgotten to write her out, and did it in a hurry...
> I have another Warlord question - *why*
> the zombies on the escalator? Why
> were they being killed?
Bad writing pure and simple - the most simplistic possible attempt to show
that the Federation is "evil".
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:20:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] The tape saga continueth...
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Well, this is where we are with the damn releases at the moment.
Last week my pay cheque hit my account running, so I sped out to get the
latest release. Lo and be-bloody-hold, if it isn't now *totally*
impossible to buy the non-shiny covers. I asked the nice woman in Heffers
to find out whether this was going to be the case from hereon, and she
offered to call the distributors and call me back.
Message next day: the distributors haven't heard anything about non-shiny,
shiny, collectors' or non-collectors' editions. I ring Heffers again. The
not-even slightly helpful man suggests that I call Fabulous Films direct
and find out what's happening.
Rang Fabulous this morning. The nicer man was helpful. The shiny covers
are for *season 1* only, and they will be stopping them after the next 2
releases. From then on it's non-shiny all the way. He helpfully offers to
send me non-shiny covers for any shiny ones I'm forced to buy.
Moral: never give up, even at the risk of being thought *completely*
retentive. I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want...
Una
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:17:13 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Help sought in selecting the Babylon XI for cricket match
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Some of those present will remember that in September-October 1996, with
the help and advice of this list, I set up the Blake's XI to play the
Federation in a private cricket match (well, Owzthat actually) during Who's
7. The resulting game, which the Federation won by three wickets, was
written up by Chris Blenkarn and can now be read in... remind me which
zine, Chris, I keep meaning to buy it...
Judith has suggested that the team should reassemble at Redemption, but
that, as it's a joint con, they should play the Babylon XI. Which is
probably right but, as I'm not a Babylon 5 expert, I would like to consult
those who are on the best roles for the Babylon team members. Indeed, we
have to narrow them down to a First XI (and 12th man). I think they must
include Sinclair, Sheridan, Delenn, Mollari, G'Kar, Kosh, Ivanova and
Garibaldi. Plus three out of Talia and/or Lyta, Marcus (well, he must have
played cricket, mustn't he?), Lennier, Stephen (or could he be the
physio?), Lochley, Vir, anyone else terribly obvious whom I've forgotten
(given that there are so many more regulars than in B7, I think we must
keep to residents of the station, not invite guests like Bester). Remember
the 12th man. Is Sinclair captain and Sheridan vice-captain? We could have
one umpire from B7 and one from B5, or pick them from a different universe
(also the referee).
Not very clear so far about who does what, though I have a vague notion
Kosh is the wicket-keeper. Something to do with the protective clothing, I
think. G'Kar is a hard-hitting batsman, possibly at No. 4, possibly
opening with Mollari. Ivanova probably bowls quite fast. But I haven't
got much more in mind yet, so I'd be grateful for suggestions. OK, it's
not until February, but there's no time like the present...
Blake's XI, whose composition is no longer open to negotiation, as they
have already proved themselves (apart from the unfortunate accident of
losing) in one match, is as follows:
1: Tarrant (RHB, occ RM) (batted a bit like Jayasuriya at Who's 7 - three
sixes in the opening over)
2: Jenna (RHB, occ OB) (made a very classy century)
3: Zen (LHB) (the only one calm enough to tackle the problem spot of No. 3)
4: Blake (captain) (RHB, RM) (a first-ball duck, but picked up three
wickets in three overs with his military medium)
5: Gan (RHB, RM) (batted very steadily)
6: Avon (LHB, RFM) (had Bartolomew stumped, but incredulous when he
was given out lbw to her)
7: Orac ( RHB, WK) (sledged the opposing batsmen and made an unorthodox but
brilliant hundred)
8: Soolin (RHB, LF) (bowled very fast)
9: Dayna (RHB, RFM) (her new-ball partner, who was especially pleased to
dismiss Servalan)
10: Cally (LHB, LBG) (leg-spin savaged by Servalan, but had Jarvik caught
in the deep trying to slog)
11: Vila (RHB, SLA) (whose many-times-great-grandmother once met Phil
Tufnell in a bar)
12th man: Slave (don't remember him being called upon, but someone
suggested he was Steve Barwick)
Harriet
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:35:51 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: James Anderson <94jha@eng.cam.ac.uk>, Dave Green <daveg02@globalnet.co.uk>,
Donal McCormack <113130.2615@compuserve.com>,
Ian Griffiths <iang@redbox.net>,
Kevin and Fliss Davies <113300.754@compuserve.com>,
Mark Pryor <mark@smug.demon.co.uk>, Matthew Adams <ma@lsr.co.uk>,
Niall McCormack <niallmc@es.co.nz>,
Nuala McCormack <113112.2071@compuserve.com>,
Rachel Smellie <res1@frypo.ird.govt.nz>,
Simon Watts <S.D.Watts@uel.ac.uk>
cc: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] (Fwd) request for help (fwd)
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I hope that you can help.
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:17:13 +0000
From: Jane Milburn <sjm1013@cam.ac.uk>
To: umm10@cam.ac.uk, eld23@eng.cam.ac.uk, jgg@eng.cam.ac.uk, ahw20@cam.ac.uk,
nmc21@cam.ac.uk
Subject: (Fwd) request for help
Emma is one of my friends from college. Please help if you can spare the
time. Thank you.
Jane
>
>Dear all,
>
>As some of you know, two weeks ago my brother was jailed for
>five years in Burma. He was convicted for illegally entering Burma,
>but the real reason he was given the harshest sentence possible was
>that he was (peacefully) protesting for human rights when he was
>arrested. Since being arrested he has been very badly mistreated, and
>is now being held in truly horrendous prison conditions.The British
>High Commission in Rangoon have been quite good, but we think
>more can be done for him. He has about two and a half months to
>appeal, and we want to persuade the Foreign Office to intervene
>directly and do whatever can be done to reduce James's sentence
>or have him deported. This email is to ask you, and as many family
>and friends as you can muster (or groups you can email), to write
>to Robin Cook and ask that the Britsh Government intervene on
>James's behalf. The address is:
>
>Downing St. West,
>London, SW1A 2AC.
>
>I have put a few points below that might help, and would be immensely
>grateful if you would write.
>
>If anyone would like to know more about conditions in Burma, and the
>issues that James was fighting for, just a couple of web pages are:
>
>http://sunsite.unc.edu/freeburma/
>http://danenet.wicip.org/fbc/
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Emma
>
>
>- His name is James Mawdsley and he is 25 years old
>- He was peacefully protesting when he was arrested (there were
> baseless press rumours that he was a mercenary and/or terrorist)
>- His conviction was 'fair' in that he did illegally enter the
> country, but under 'normal' conditions he could have expected 6
> months or a year. The five year sentence is a direct result of his
> pro-democracy campaigning.
>- There is no reason why the British Government can't intervene
> to ask for clemency.
>
>If you have any questions at all, please do email or call me.
>
>
>Dr. Emma Mawdsley
>Department of Geography
>Science Laboratories
>South Road
>Durham, DH1 3LE
>Tel: 0191 374 1138
>Email: e.e.mawdsley@durham.ac.uk
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:18:21 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth
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On Sun 31 May, Alison Page wrote:
> Boo hiss. Everyone's being horrid about Invasion Earth. And I don't think
> it's that bad. Admittedly the romantic leads are rather painful - but
> aren't they always?
>
> For me Anton Lesser just makes the whole show. I think he's absolutely
> marvelous, I've always liked him as an actor anyway. Unfortunately the
> other day it looked like he might be written out the series, which would
> admittedly be a blow.
Anton Lesser was the main reason I kept watching. A very good actor.
I'm all in favour of killing the occasional character for dramatic reasons, but
did they have to choose the only one I liked? (I suppose he might have
survived, but the odds didn't look good and he's not on next week's cast list.)
I hope the series gets good ratings, but that's purely and simply because I want
the BBC to do more new SF in the future.
Judith
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:53:19 +0100
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Invasion Earth
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Judith wrote:
>I'm all in favour of killing the occasional character for dramatic reasons,
but
>did they have to choose the only one I liked? Heather.
Now u know how Gan fans feel :-)
'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:51:32 +0000
From: jim.bartlett@bbc.co.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Lost in Space
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I've just got hold of next week's Radio Times, and Lost in Space on the
12th is indeed the Blake's 7 edition. (But it's a Friday, Judith.)
"The series in which avid sci-fi fans talk about the shows and
characters that have changed their lives concludes with the continuing
story of Blake's 7."
(Does that help, captjohns?)
Cheers, Jim Bartlett
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:26:40 +0200 (MET DST)
From: "Jeroen J. Kwast" <jeroenkw@gns.getronics.nl>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se (mailing list)
Subject: Re: [B7L] UK Gold June
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>
> Jacqueline said:
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > Amen to that. I told a collegue of mine about the reruns on UK Gold and we
> both felt >that TV10 (the dutch version of UK Gold) should learn from their
> example. The last time >a B7 episode was aired in Holland about 14 years ago.
> Since then we've had to make do >with tapes and memories. The only SF series on
> TV10 is Star Trek, which is nice, but >not nearly enough.
>
> So let's go and nag them about it. Go to:
>
> http://www.tv10.nl/site/mail.htm
>
> Perhaps if they get enough requests, well, you never know.
>
> Hanneke
>
I send a few hundred e-mails (with different headers! :)) to them to start
showing "A dream of Jeannie" again and they did a few months later!!!
so I tried it with Blakes 7 too offcourse@ but I got a e-mail back
that Blake 7 was a science ficiuon series and that was not in
their programming or something.
Since they do startrek now I might do it again?
Jeroen
PS: Mind you they stopped I dream of jeannie about half of the episode list!!!
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 04:07:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: space-city%world.std.com%inet#@genie.com
Subject: [B7L] New zines
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For anyone who maintains electronic versions of the zine lists,
here are all the goodies that debuted at MediaWest. Together with
all the zines that came out in time for Deliverance, we have quite
a good crop already, and the year is by no means over. And since
the very first B7 zines (Liberator #1, Spacefall #1, and
Alternative Seven #1, I think-- do any of you oldtime fans
remember?) were published fairly soon after the show first aired,
it's the 20th anniversary of B7 fan fiction as well as of the show
itself. Happy anniversary to all of us!
All-B7 gen
THE SEVEN LIVE ON #11 (US, 1998.5)
SOUTHERN SEVEN #11 (US, 1998.5)
SOUTHERN SEVEN #12 (US, 1998.5)
[Hellhound Book IX (Katrina Larkin and Susanne Katz) included in
SOUTHERN SEVEN #12]
All-B7 erotica
COMA AVON NIGHTS or Kiss of the Avon Lady (novella by Willa
Shakespeare; slash and adult; humor; US, 1998)
FIRE AND ICE #4 (slash, all A/B; US, 1998.5)
LIBERATOR FANTASIES (slash; US, 1998)
Multimedia erotica including B7 stories
DIVERSE DOINGS #2 (slash; US, 1998)
REVELATIONS #1 (Highlander zine with a B7 crossover story; slash;
US, 1998.4)
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:31:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] 'Games'
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I've uploaded a set of photos of Winspit quarry where 'Games' was filmed.
There's a set of pictures as the quarry is now (remarkably unchaged) and
pictures from 'Games' and 'Destiny of the Daleks' showing some of the same
locations when peopled by the BBC.
See the tardis land on the exact spot where Scorpio's crew teleported down!
(see what's there now...)
Click on the button labelled 'Essays' to find the right part of the site.
Judith
PS. There's also updates to various other bits of the site.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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