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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 128
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Pledge
Re: [B7L] Zen and salvage
[B7L] Orac/Zen stories
RE: [B7L] Zen and salvage
[B7L]
Re: [B7L]
[B7L] B5-B7 links
Re: [B7L] Zen and salvage
Re: [B7L] B5-B7 links
Re: [B7L]
[B7L] Levis And Other Oddities
Re: [B7L] Zen and salvage
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:27:31 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Pledge
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fifitrix:
>>Do I have to pledge ? (and for those of you of the UK persuasion - I'm not
>>offering to dust Carol's house!)
LOL!
>Well, dang. I could use some dusting help. (I didn't know you had
>"Pledge" over there; I thought it was an American product.)
We Antipodeans have Pledge, too. Just thought I'd share that :-)
ttfn, Nicola (who hardly ever dusts)
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Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
The early bird catches the worm. If you'd prefer something else for
breakfast, get up later.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:09:34 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zen and salvage
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Carol McC said:
> I've always assumed that ship was the one with Death Squad. And
> your theory is certainly plausible. My problem with it is that
> Avon is quite specific about why he doesn't want the ship
> destroyed: "It could be Vila or Cally." Zen knows that and
> has no reason not to "challenge" any stranger who might
> show up. So while we know why the ship wasn't
> destoyed, we don't know why Zen's internal defense system
> didn't defeat Klegg and company and Tarrant. I would think
> Avon or Jenna would have made sure that was activated before abandoning
> the ship. Though there is the possibility that damage to
> Liberator made that impossible. And perhaps it was a system
> that required an order from a crew member to be reactivated.
> Maybe that's the order Avon would have given if he hadn't been
> cut off.
Maybe it was still damaged. Zen only said the main weaponary had been
fixed, which could possibly imply it had only recently been repaired, and
you'd fix the main weaponary before you fix the burglar alarm, wouldn't
you? Maybe it wasn't working till long after Avon & Dayna came on board.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 98 02:44:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.geis.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Orac/Zen stories
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Bill asked:
>Kinda makes you wonder if any of those slash writers have written
>an Orac/Zen story ... only I don't think I really want to know ...
And Julia answered:
>We'll tell you anyway. There are several O/Z stories extant. If
>you're really unlucky, someone will be along in a minute to give
>you a full bibliography. (Sarah! You're wanted!)
Since you ask so nicely... :)
Orac/Zen
Jean Graham, "'T' (The Ultimate Slash Story)" (O/Z; humor),
AVON'S GADGET WORKS
Kerrvert, "Everybody Gets It in the End" (A/B, G/V, C/J, O/Z;
humor), SOUTHERN COMFORT #5.5 (1990)
Pete and RePete, "TWZ III: Caro's Campaign" (A/C, A/O, O/Z,
C/V, B/Se, Totally Weird Zone, AU humor), AQUATAR #2 (1990)
Liz Sharpe, "Parts Is Parts" (O/Z; humor), FORBIDDEN STAR
(1995)
Sonia, "Up in (Blue) Smoke" (A/B/C threeway, J/V, O/Z),
SOUTHERN COMFORT #6.5 (1991)
The best of these, IMO, is Liz Sharpe's delightful "Parts Is
Parts," which made its debut on the Space City list before
Judith snapped it up for zine publication.
And while we're at it, here are the pairings I've found for Orac
and various individual crew members:
Avon/Orac
Natasha Barry, "Found Wanting" (A/B, B/J, A/C, A/V, C/V, A/O),
RESISTANCE #5 (1991)
Jane Carnall, "Valentine" (A/O), TOUCHED #4 (mm, 1985)
Cathy Conrad, "An Electric Affair" (A/O; humor), THE LAUGHING
MUTOID #1 (1988)
Mary Gerstner & April Giordano, "More Than Friends" (A/O;
humor), SOUTHERN LIGHTS SPECIAL #4.5 (1988)
Carol Grasgreen, Carol McCoy, Terri Halasz, & Angela Reese,
"Avon and the Brat Pack, Part One: The Pajama Party" (A/O; humor),
THE LAUGHING MUTOID #5 (1990)
Pete and RePete, "TWZ III: Caro's Campaign" (A/C, A/O, O/Z,
C/V, B/Se, Totally Weird Zone, AU humor), AQUATAR #2 (1990)
Cally/Orac
Angela Reese, "Orac" (D/O, C/O), AQUATAR #1 (1988)
Dayna/Orac
Angela Reese, "Orac" (D/O, C/O), AQUATAR #1 (1988)
Orac/Tarrant
Carnella & Comatose, "Tarrant the Terrific" (O/Ta; humor),
SOUTHERN COMFORT #6.5 (1991)
Orac/original character (gender unspecified)
Meredith Dixon, "Sleeping Around" (O/oc; humor), FORBIDDEN
STAR #2 (1997.12)
And here's what Zen's gotten up to without Orac:
Avon/Zen
Cathy Conrad, "Cupid's Choice" (B/J, A/C, J/V, A/Z; humor),
THE LAUGHING MUTOID #4 (1989)
Jenna/Zen
Liz A. Vogel, "Design Specifications" (J/Z), STRAIGHT BLAKE'S
#2 (1995)
There are also at least two fannish music videos of the Avon/Orac pairing
(to "Automatic" and "Plastic Fantastic Lover;" also part of "Stuck with
You," in a vid that pairs off the entire Scorpio crew: Dayna/Vila,
Soolin/Tarrant, Avon/Orac), and I've seen one that hints at Vila/Orac. You
know that scene in Ultraworld where Vila is teaching Orac jokes? He's
leaning back on the couch, heaving with laughter, with Orac in the
foreground? Imagine that to a soundtrack saying solemnly, "People are still
having sex..."
Sarah T.
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Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:13:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Zen and salvage
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On Thu 30 Apr, Bill Billingsley wrote:
> At 08:25 30/04/98 +-200, Jacqueline wrote:
> > and why Zen never managed to "come out of the
> >closet,"
> >
>
> Kinda makes you wonder if any of those slash writers have written an
> Orac/Zen story ... only I don't think I really want to know ...
We have <grin>. I think I've seen two Zen/Oac and one Orac/Slave. The bit
about binary exchange of date and meshing interfaces was particularly
stimulating <bigger grin>.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:42:45 +0100
From: "fifitrix" <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>
To: "lyst" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]
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I was re-watching Time Squad last night and I noticed that Jenna's =
purple crushed velvet trousers have got a Levi's red tag on the back =
pocket.
You can see it most clearly when Blake and Jenna have just teleported =
over to the capsule and she moves to the pilot's seat.
So what do you think ? Were the costume department predicting that =
Levi's would still be in business then ? Sounds a bit far fetched to me =
!
whaddya think ?
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:23:46 +0100
From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: fifitrix <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>, lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]
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fifitrix wrote:
<<I was re-watching Time Squad last night and I noticed that Jenna's purple
crushed velvet trousers have got a Levi's red tag on the back pocket.
You can see it most clearly when Blake and Jenna have just teleported over
to the capsule and she moves to the pilot's seat.
So what do you think ? Were the costume department predicting that Levi's
would still be in business then ? Sounds a bit far fetched to me !
whaddya think ?>>
I think this another blantant example of how the BBC abuses it's policy with
regard to advertising. I bet Levi's got millions for that shot of their tag
when Jenna wiggles her bum in the direction of the camera.
Disgusting. I'm going to write to my MP.
Ian "I'm sharp, I'm kicking bottom" Lay
////
:-)
\\\\
Watford Internet Football Club
Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
wifc@wfc.net
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 18:03:48 +0100 GMT
From: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] B5-B7 links
Message-Id: <59811935MCR1@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
Can anyone help me with a piece I'm writing for the next
Redemption progress report. It will look at the links between
Blake's 7 and Babylon 5, including the influences of one on the
other. It will mention the Drazi Sunhawk that was based on the
Liberator and appeared in Deathwalker and again in numbers in
the episode Paragon of Animals that Channel 4 showed this
week (talk about sky full of Liberators). It will also mention
Christopher Neame, who I think is the only actor to have
appeared in both shows.
What I want from you lot is any other links, particularly in
dialogue. I've heard it mentioned that there are bits of dialogue
in B5 that were clearly influenced by B7. Can anyone provide
me with examples?
Thanks in advance for your help.
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
"The workers united will never be ignited"
Guards! Guards! - Terry Pratchett
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:23:49 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zen and salvage
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On Thu 30 Apr, Carol A. McCoy wrote:
>
>
> Kathryn wrote:
>
> >My tuppence. Zen didn't attack the Death Squad and Tarrant, because
> >Avon told Zen not to! Plain as the nose on your face. If you recall,
> >Avon was talking to Zen, through Orac, while down in chez Mellanby on
> >Sarran. No-one had returned to the ship, and there was little
> >information about the wherabouts of the other crew members.
>
> <snipping part of transcript>
>
> >I am assuming that the ship in question was the one with the Death
> >Squad on board. Zen, being told not to destroy the ship, is clever
> >enough to extend that to not destroying its occupants: hence, no
> >internal self-defence mechanism activation.
>
> I've always assumed that ship was the one with Death Squad. And
> your theory is certainly plausible. My problem with it is that
> Avon is quite specific about why he doesn't want the ship
> destroyed: "It could be Vila or Cally." Zen knows that and
> has no reason not to "challenge" any stranger who might
> show up. So while we know why the ship wasn't
> destoyed, we don't know why Zen's internal defense system
> didn't defeat Klegg and company and Tarrant. I would think
> Avon or Jenna would have made sure that was activated before abandoning
> the ship. Though there is the possibility that damage to
> Liberator made that impossible. And perhaps it was a system
> that required an order from a crew member to be reactivated.
> Maybe that's the order Avon would have given if he hadn't been
> cut off.
But they often had strangers on board Liberator. Cally, Avalon, Sarkoff etc.
Some of these were not expected by Zen, but they were still not attacked. Thus,
it would seem that if a group was allowed on board, there was a tacit assumption
by Zen that its members were not to be attacked.
Indeed, it is possible that the defence system was non-discriminatory and could
only be set to on or off. Thus, if it was on, it would attack anyone who came
on board the ship, including members of the crew.
For instance, it was not used against the Amagons.
I wonder who activated it in Dawn of the gods? None of the crew were on board
at that point, which seems to fit the requirements for its safe use. Perhaps
Orac ordered the activation. He certainly knew what was going to happen.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:00:12 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk
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STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
>
> Can anyone help me with a piece I'm writing for the next
> Redemption progress report. It will look at the links between
> Blake's 7 and Babylon 5, including the influences of one on the
> other. It will mention the Drazi Sunhawk that was based on the
> Liberator and appeared in Deathwalker and again in numbers in
> the episode Paragon of Animals that Channel 4 showed this
> week (talk about sky full of Liberators). It will also mention
> Christopher Neame, who I think is the only actor to have
> appeared in both shows.
What about the logo? I think the B5 lettering looks very similiar to the
4th season Blake's 7, enough to believe it was an influence.
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:27:34 +0100
From: "Kate Gordon" <kateg@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "Blakes 7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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From: Ian Lay <ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk>
To: fifitrix <fifitrix@dial.pipex.com>; lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Date: 01 May 1998 16:53
Subject: Re: [B7L]
>fifitrix wrote:
>
>
><<I was re-watching Time Squad last night and I noticed that Jenna's purple
>crushed velvet trousers have got a Levi's red tag on the back pocket.
>You can see it most clearly when Blake and Jenna have just teleported over
>to the capsule and she moves to the pilot's seat.
>So what do you think ? Were the costume department predicting that Levi's
>would still be in business then ? Sounds a bit far fetched to me !
>
>whaddya think ?>>
>
>I think this another blantant example of how the BBC abuses it's policy
with
>regard to advertising. I bet Levi's got millions for that shot of their
tag
>when Jenna wiggles her bum in the direction of the camera.
>
>
>Ian "I'm sharp, I'm kicking bottom" Lay
>Watford Internet Football Club
>Ian@pacific-cc.demon.co.uk or
>wifc@wfc.net
Hasn't Vila been seen sporting brown Levi boots in one episode? I can't
remember the one but I remember thinking that the company must be doing
well!
Kate "In 1980 Steven Pacey wrote to me on a train" Gordon
kateg@ndirect.co.uk
>
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Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:18:26 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Levis And Other Oddities
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At 20:27 01/05/98 +0100, Kate Gordon wrote:
>
>Hasn't Vila been seen sporting brown Levi boots in one episode? I can't
>remember the one but I remember thinking that the company must be doing
>well!
>Kate "In 1980 Steven Pacey wrote to me on a train" Gordon
>kateg@ndirect.co.uk
>
Don't know about the Levi boots, but check out Vila's 4th series
belt-buckle (very obvious in some photographs). Nice to know that Honda
motorcycles will still be around in so many years time, isn't it?
Judith
J.M. Rolls
jager@clara.net
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Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:27:00 +0100
From: "jenni-alison" <jenni-alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Judith wrote:
> But they often had strangers on board Liberator. Cally, Avalon, Sarkoff
etc.
> Some of these were not expected by Zen, but they were still not attacked.
Thus,
> it would seem that if a group was allowed on board, there was a tacit
assumption
> by Zen that its members were not to be attacked.
>
> Indeed, it is possible that the defence system was non-discriminatory and
could
> only be set to on or off. Thus, if it was on, it would attack anyone who
came
> on board the ship, including members of the crew.
>
> For instance, it was not used against the Amagons.
>
> I wonder who activated it in Dawn of the gods? None of the crew were on
board
> at that point, which seems to fit the requirements for its safe use.
Perhaps
> Orac ordered the activation. He certainly knew what was going to happen.
I plan to write a story involving this one of these days (it would be my
first, so don't hold your breath). My theory is that in DOTG, the defence
mechanism is activated when someone attempts to *physically* harm the ship.
It had been activated pre-Space Fall by some other agency trying to attack
the ship from within, and remained active until someone linked with the
ship again, or until Zen turned it off.
Jenni
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