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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 121
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Fandom
[B7L] Fandom/obsession (was fandom)
[B7L] MERLIN Broadcast in USA
Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks
[B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
[B7L] Tarrant's Bottom
Re: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4
[B7L] Re: the best of season 4
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia
[B7L] Seven as Pooh
Re: [B7L] New frame captures
[B7L] Re: What makes a fan?
Re: [B7L] Tarrant's Bottom
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon
Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia
Re: [B7L] New frame captures
Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon
[B7L] Re: Pooh parallels - getting sillier
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
[B7L] Re: fans
[B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
RE: [B7L] Pooh and company
RE: Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures)
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:33:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom
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On Thu 23 Apr, Borg, Peter: IEG wrote:
<I've snipped several bits>
> I would say I am a fan of B7, and as a result of my interest in the show, I
> enjoy watching it, discussing it, attending conventions, etc. etc. I don't
> have much in the way of memorabilia, apart from a photo of Servalan (which I
> like because it's camp) and the videos, which I have because I wanted to
> watch them all again - I still watch an episode or two from time to time,
> but not frequently.
> I feel that defining who can call themselves a fan and who can't is
> cabalistic in the extreme, and is moving to the type of fandom I have
> witnessed in certain sections of the ST fan world. I sincerely hope B7
> fandom does not move in this direction, but remains light hearted and
> continues to keep its sense of humour. If the tone of B7 fandom changes away
> from this, I for one would not want to be part of it.
I've often wondered if part of the nature of B7 fandom is *because* of the lack
of memorabilia. We don't have collectors cards, official novels, licensised
merchandise by the ton, etc.
Thus, we make our own. We invent our own versions of things, we make fancy
dress instead of buying the 'official' uniforms, we write fanfic in vast
quantities and we interpret the universe to suit our own taste as there is
nobody to law down the law on how Liberator works or what Auron culture is
really like.
It's a little more anarchistic and relaxed. Obviously I generalise to some
extent, but I wonder if anybody else thinks there's some truth in the
generalisation.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jay McGuigan <dsv2@yahoo.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Fandom/obsession (was fandom)
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---Judith Proctor wrote:
>
> Here's my personal definition of 'fan' (which I reserve the right to
change
> every week) - a fan is someone who tries to convert their frineds to
the series.
> They love it so much that they want to share it.
>
I agree wholeheartedly to this definition. I just converted my son
and now I'm working on an email friend whom I write on another list
I'm on. She is quite intrigued!
When does fandom change to obsession? Obviously if it harms someone,
etc. I have found out that someone changed his name to a certain
actor that I like. Surely this borders on obsession? It also got me
very excited for a minute to think that the *real* one may have signed
my guestbook, common sense soon prevailed as I realised it was this
jokester.
Just fishing for opinions.
Jay
100%Avon
==
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:57:19 EST
From: "Letitia A. Casebourn" <lacasebourn@stew-01.cea.purdue.edu>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
CC: tisha@purdue.edu
Subject: [B7L] MERLIN Broadcast in USA
Message-ID: <14C81A9752A@stew-01.cea.purdue.edu>
Just picked up Campus Weekly's "Hot Ticket" to
find that "Merlin" will be broadcast this Sunday
and Monday night on NBC in the USA.
This version stars Sam Neill as Merlin, and was
recently filmed in Wales, Scotland, and England.
Although HIS name is not mentioned in the article,
isn't *this* the production which features Gareth?
tisha@purdue.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:07:22 +0100
From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
To: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Captures and Kinks
Message-ID: <vhKPJAAKV3P1EwD3@wriding.demon.co.uk>
In message <3.0.2.32.19980423080137.006dc5a0@earthlink.net>, Tramila
<cdmunoz@earthlink.net> writes
>Russ wrote:
>
>>Number of times captured:
>>
>>Avon: 17 (2 of which were voluntary)
>>Blake: 10
>>Cally: 11
>>Dayna: 12
>>Gan: 5
>>Jenna: 7
>>Soolin: 1
>>Tarrant: 12
>>
>>Divide these numbers by the number of series in which each character
>>appeared and we get, ranked in order of captures per season:
>>
>>Dayna: 6.00
>>Tarrant: 6.00
>>Blake: 5.00
>>Avon: 4.25
>>Cally: 3.67
>>Jenna: 3.50
>>Gan: 3.33
>>Soolin: 1.00
>
>Notice how Vila is not here. Notice how intelligent that makes our lovely
>thief. 4.25 times more intelligent than Avon and 6 times more intelligent
>than Tarrant and Dayna. Life is good. :)
>
Whoops! I had a nagging feeling that there was someone missing so I
counted the number of characters on the front cover of the Sevencyclopaedia
and *still* Vila managed to evade me. I think he must have crouched behind
Avon as he saw my eyes move toward him.
Anyway, Vila has a total of 12 captures for an average of 3.00. Not bad
going at all.
--
Russ Massey
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:04:36 +0100
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
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Alison Page wrote:
>
> I can understand what Jackie means about feeling wary of requests for info
> from people who want to write theses. I felt the same when I first read the
> request,
Ah ha! I was beginning to think I was a lone voice. However, you
admirably restrained your wariness, whereas I opened my big mouth (or
whatever the equivilant is in e-mail speak).
>though I think it has been cleared up to some extent now.
Oh good, says I beginning to clamber out of my flame resistant undies.
> However I must say, I think in turn Jackie is being a bit too restrictive
> in deciding who counts as a real fan.
OH! Must you? I`ll put a clean lot back on then.
> Perhaps there should be a category of 'super-fan' for people like Jackie
> and Judth and others for whom B7 is (as she says) a major hobby, and .....
NO-no-no-no-no. I am NOT a superfan. Judith is a superfan, she knows
all the answers off the top of her head (I have to look them up), she is
a prolific writer of good stories (my attempts are laughable), she edits
and publishes loads of zines (I can`t even keep up with my
correspondence!)
At one time (many, many moons ago) I did try obtaining any and all
fanzines going, but then the Americans discovered Blakes
7......fantastic for fandom, lots and lots of new imput with that unique
American slant, but my cheque book took one look at all the lovely
fanzines and did a runner to the far flung regions of Andromeda (only
managed to grab hold of it very briefly at Deliverence before it renewed
its passport and scarpered again).
>.....'fan' for others for whom it is one of their interests (like me). I think most people >would say I am a 'fan' (I mean people outside of B7 would) but I wouldn't dream of buying >memorabilia,
Now it`s my turn to get defensive (and hopefully explain a lot better
this time around than I did last time.)
As I said, when I got *into* Blakes 7, I met other people just as *into*
it as I was. Then I got involved deeper, and I`d get letters like "I`ve
just joined the Avon Fan Club, and Ann has told me you sell magazines,
photos, back issue newsletters etc. Can you send me a list?". Off would
go the list and a little while later back would come a cheque and an
order.
At one time, before the ability to print address labels came into being,
I would write out the address labels for the overseas members for every
newsletter. It seemed that I was corresponding with most of them at one
time or another.
This is what lead me to believe that all fans of the series would have
some sort of collection going. Finding out that this is not generally
the case has come as rather a surprise.
This leads me to my own research-type questions.- The long term fans who
did not/ have not joined fan clubs, or bought fanzines, or professional
publications, how did you sustain your interest in Blakes 7 during the
barren 80`s/early 90`s? Did your interest wane during that time,
reviving when the videos came out or when Satelite/cable starting airing
the episodes? How did you find out about Lysator and/or Space City? If
it was by accident ("I just surfed in"), then how did you know to look
for it in the first place??
> ....and my reading is much more restricted than Jackie's I'm sure.
I doubt that. I`m not overkeen on slash or adult fiction. I am quite
happy to accept any type of relationship between any members of the crew
as long as they are recognizable, I just don`t like the *icky in-depth
descriptions* of various matings.
> > What I meant by *real fan* is some-one who has some knowledge and
> > opinions of their own, and not just asks how to contact the
> > actor/actresses.
>
> Now I would agree here, completely. But I pass this test, and not most of your others.
There is no test. repeat after me - There are no tests to pass.
If Chris Wheatley was a new fan, and came up to me and asks a whole slew
of questions about the show, then I would be perfectly happy to answer
them, even if I had dig out and go through ALL my books and magazines to
find out the answers to any and all of his questions. If I cannot help
with a particular question, then I either ask some friends, or would
point him in the relevent direction. I`d still offer info if he had just
re-discovered Blakes 7 after a long break.
However, as I mentioned in my original letter, I had helped in the past
two other university students with research on Blakes 7. As the saying
goes "Once bitten, twice shy" or in my case "twice bitten, three times
shy". I had no intention of being *aggressive* what-so-ever, I was just
voicing my wariness about dealing with someone else who claimed to be a
Uni student in need of research help. So, unfortunately he got tarred
with the same brush as the other two.
Christopher`s reply, in my opinion, came accross as smug, condescending
and patronising:
> > Jackie ought to be glad a fellow fan is producing such an article,
> >and even gladder that he is soliciting the opinions of the fans, as
> > well as the writers.
My initial reaction to that statement was rude; in fact for some reason
every time I read it, my hackles raise, & I have no idea why.
> I'm not being defensive BTW - if you want to say 'well, actually, Alison, I
> wouldn't count you as a real fan' that's fine too.
S`okay you count, You Count!! Everyone on the lists counts, after all
you`re here because you like/love/lust Blakes 7 don`t you? After all you
are not to blame if I`m a fanatic are you? There you go, a
differentiation point. Fan or Fanatic?
> Alison
>
> PS - Oh No, I've got a Myers Briggs comment coming on.. <strains
> womanfully>.. phew.. kept it under control
Very goooood!, says Jackie warily, as one does when one skipped over
that subject matter when it first came out, and now has absolutely no
idea what on earth you are talking about!
Holds up hand, palm out, inclines head slightly, and says "That`s
alright, there is absolutely NO need to enlighten me, thank you."
Bye for now
Fanatical Jackie
(knew I`d get a nickname sooner or later, just needed patience)
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:38:01 -0600
From: CHERYL_MARKS@HP-LakeStevens-om2.om.hp.com
TO: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Tarrant's Bottom
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Penny writes:
>I also like HOK, if for the only reason that it was where I first
>discovered Stephen Pacey has a *really* nice behind. (And I am not a
>Tarrant fan)
All Tarrant fans have an opportunity to view Stephen's behind in "Things We Do
For
Love,", playing in the West End. I lucked out and got a seat on main floor (I
believe, you Brits call it "The Stalls") about 15 rows from the stage. At one
point, Stephen drops his drawers and jumps into bed for a wild romantic
encounter.
Amidst all the tumbling, there were several opportunities to admire his bottom.
(NOT that I'm into that sort of thing . . . . )
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:57:54 +0100
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: "Lysator Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re The good ones in Season 4
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> From: James Mansson <jmansson@atlas.co.uk>
> STEVE.ROGERSON@MCR1.poptel.org.uk wrote:
> >
> > How can Dangermouse possible describe Animals as
> > "unmitigated worthless crap" with all that brilliant character
> > acting by David Boyce. Humph!
>
> Well, we've got the Tarrant Nostra to protect everyone's favourite
> pilot, so why don't we have the R.S.P.C.A. (Royal Society for the
> Prevention of Cruelty to "Animals") to protect everyone's favourite
> episode?
To be fair, I don't think Animals is *the* worst episode - it's only second
worst after Stardrive. Which makes tape 22 one to avoid either way...
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:02:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: brent@ntr.net
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: the best of season 4
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I wrote:
>> The Ugly:
>> Animals (How can these thugs be causing so much trouble if we've never heard
>> of them?)
>> Animals (Why do they look like 20th century punks?)
>> Animals (Egads, that hair!)
Pat pointed out that:
>You're thinking of Stardrive, dear. The punk riding-mower morons, the
>troll hair-dos.
I goofed. Place Stardrive in the Ugly column and remove Animals from the
list since I obviously don't remember it well enough to comment.
>Animals? How sad that when Dayna got her moment in the sun, i.e. her
>starring episode, they didn't play up her strengths: her skill with
>primitive weaponry and survival. I should have loved to see her save the
>others when they get stranded on some primitive planet with only Dayna
>for resources. But no, they turned this amazing warrior woman into a
>puddle of mooning mush moaning over a bug-eyed old geezer.
Dayna got the short end of the stick as far as characterization goes. Her
debut episode was her best and there were a few more after that which
partially did her justice, but the rest of the time, she was poorly developed.
Of course, IMHO, Soolin got the poorest development of all (even worse than
Gan). I don't know much about the behind the scenes events leading up to
the production of the fourth season, but it seems like Power wasn't even
supposed to have Soolin in it. Was Cally originally intended to be in
Power, but was deleted after her character was written out? Soolin doesn't
even show up until the end of that one.
Brent
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:10:52 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Message-ID: <k3GpMRAMB6P1EwT0@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <199804231526.LAA03070@yfn.ysu.edu>, "Carol A. McCoy"
<ay648@yfn.ysu.edu> writes
>
<snip>
>
>Besides, if Vila shoots Tarrant, he's going to be
>awfully lonely alone in bed at night. ;-)
Not if he's busy comforting Avon over Blake, he won't.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:07:43 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia
Message-ID: <cEGXANAP+5P1EwHY@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <199804230822_MC2-3AC6-8690@compuserve.com>, Harriet
Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> writes
>PS I though we agreed last time that Tigger was Tarrant? And what is the
>case against Eeyore = Avon?
>
We may have agreed that on The Other List, where the discussion
...veered... somewhat.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:24:19 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Seven as Pooh
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>On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 05:35:45PM +1000, Bill Billingsley wrote:
>> Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles....
>>
>> Christopher Robin - Blake
>> Pooh - Tarrant
>> Rabbit - Avon
>> Piglet - Vila
>> Eeyore - Gan
>> Owl - Cally
>> Kanga - Jenna
>> Roo - Dayna
Didn't we do this last year? Ah, well, my first revolving thread :-) (that
I can remember)
Kathryn:
>No...
>Pooh - Gan
>Piglet - Vila
>because Pooh is a gentle, kind bear, though of little brain,
>and Piglet is his timid friend, which I think is a good representation
>of the Gan-Vila relationship
I agree with Pooh=Gan, for Kathryn's reasons and because he's cuddly and
lovable. I think last time around someone wanted Pooh=Blake, for similar
reasons. And Piglet definitely =Vila.
Dayna=Roo because she's young and impulsive
Cally=Kanga because she's the most maternal of the crew.
>I agree with Calle - Owl is Orac.
>Yes, Avon is probably Rabbit.
>Tarrant is Tigger - very boucy and impulsive. Tarrant isn't like Pooh at all!
I wanted to suggest this last time, but thought it better to go into hiding
from the Tarrant Nostra.:-)
>I don't think there *is* an Eeyore character in the Seven, there isn't
>anyone who's really terminally depressed like Eeyore is - unless you
>count Slave?
Works for me!
>So who do we have left?
>Kanga and Roo, Cally, Jenna, Dayna, Soolin, Zen, Servalan and Travis.
>Hmmm, not enough to go around.
Don't forget Rabbit's Friends and Relations. And the Woozle. And the
Heffalump. (I know, we didn't actually see those last two, but they're
still key to the stories in which they appear!)
And in a fit of silliness:
Blake=Eeyore's tail, because much time was spent looking for it.
Orac=the swarm of bees, because, well, he sounds like one.
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:32:40 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures
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Tramilla:
>Tigger? I never knew who Tigger was until my FK friends used that name and
>mine in the same sentence. hummmmmmmm. I guess one of these days I'm
>going to have to watch that show.
Aaaargh! No! Not the TV version! AA Milne wrote some very clever, charming
stories, which EH Shephard illustrated with delightful drawings. Experience
Pooh as he should be experienced! Read the books!
I have a gorgeous omnibus edition of all the stories, poems and hums, with
the original illustrations. And it's mine! No child is getting their mitts
on it! (although I'll happily read it to my friends' littlies) When I
bought it the shop assistant said something about buying it for a present
for a child, I replied "Yes! My inner child!" :-)
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet.
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:35:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: brent@ntr.net
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: What makes a fan?
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Reuben wrote:
>What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves
>fans of?
Strange Luck
Dr. Who
Blake's 7
The Prisoner (McGoohan is one of the coolest actors on earth)
Twin Peaks
Red Dwarf
General Hospital (yes, a soap, I admit it. I blame my mother for this)
Nowhere Man (with a finale that is second only to B7)
Babylon 5
MacGuyver (which Terry Nation worked on at one time, I think)
The X-files (even though it is slowly becoming vague and convoluted in its
main arc)
To a lesser extent: The Pretender, Profiler, Star Trek: TNG, DS9, and a few
others that I may be forgetting.
And I don't necessarily think you have to buy memorabilia to be a fan. I
usually tape all the episodes of something I like and that is usually enough
for me. In the case of these shows, I would buy novels and novelizations,
but so far I have only seen books based on Dr. Who, Blake's 7 (very few and
I only have one), Babylon 5, Red Dwarf, and The Prisoner. Here in America,
it is damned near impossible to find anything related to B7 anyway (unless
you go to a con and there aren't too many that come to my area). I have one
magazine that talks about B7 and that is it. I'm just lucky I ever got to
see this wonderful show in the first place.
As far as what Kathryn Anderson said about wanting to write for a show being
her criteria for herself being a fan, I somewhat agree with this, but every
now and then a show comes along that I like so much, I would never dream of
writing for it. Twin Peaks, Nowhere Man, and General Hospital fall into
this category. This isn't to say these are my favorite shows, just that I
would rather see them unfold as a spectator and leave all the creative
touches (and thus, the mystery) to their creators.
Brent
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:41:20 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tarrant's Bottom
Message-ID: <199804232341.TAA27571@YFN.YSU.EDU>
Cheryl wrote:
>All Tarrant fans have an opportunity to view Stephen's behind in "Things We Do
>For
>Love,", playing in the West End. I lucked out and got a seat on main floor (I
>believe, you Brits call it "The Stalls") about 15 rows from the stage. At one
>point, Stephen drops his drawers and jumps into bed for a wild romantic
>encounter.
>Amidst all the tumbling, there were several opportunities to admire his bottom.
>(NOT that I'm into that sort of thing . . . . )
And this wasn't enough for Deborah? ;-)
Thanks for the report, Cheryl.
Carol Mc
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:56:28 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Message-ID: <199804232356.TAA28242@yfn.ysu.edu>
Tramila wrote:
>:) he he oops sorry. But Tarrant was an irritant from the moment he said,
>"My ship!" grrrrr
>I may be a Vila fan now but I started out an Avon fan and that Tarrant
>comment placed by into the category of low life in my book. It was Avon's
>ship. It was always Avon's ship from the moment that he stepped on board.
Well, aside from the fact that Blake and Jenna might not agree that
it was Avon's ship, let's examine this unforgivable action of Tarrant's.
None of the owners were home when he arrived on Liberator. It was
his ship (give or take a Death Squad or two) as much as it was Blake
and company's when they found it abandoned.
And what else was he to say but "my ship" at that point? From his
actions on the flight deck (knocking Avon out when Klegg was going
to question him) and from what he said later, Tarrant knew it was
Avon from the get go. But should he have revealed that?
"Oh, hi, nice ship you've got here. Section Leader Klegg, meet
Kerr Avon, terrorist and computer criminal. What, you say you'd
like to torture him until he tells us how we can gain control
of the ship? That does seem reasonable under the circumstances."
Everything Tarrant said and did protected Avon.
>Not really. He'll be with Avon. Remember. He's always safe with Avon.
>LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm.
I keep forgetting how safe he is with Avon. <g> But I hope Vila
doesn't forget. I just love it when Vila takes over the
care and feeding of Tarrant for most of 4th season. <sigh>
Carol Mc
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:26:36 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon
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Bill Nessie said:
> Mostly we just wonder why there was all the fuss when treating the
> oposite gender as sex objects was the typical male thing to do... :-)
And... cue the anti-feminist counterstrike, with me leading from the front,
armed with a copy of "Big'n'Bouncy Weekly" as non-offensive weapon and a
"Diet Coke Break" advert as moral justification.
Fight back, brothers. You have nothing to lose but your genitalia.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:27:07 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fans and Memorabilia
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Harriet asked:
> PS I though we agreed last time that Tigger was Tarrant? And what is the
> case against Eeyore = Avon?
His tail. Can you see Avon letting someone steal his tail? And then letting
someone else put it back on? Tigger might conceivably manage to bounce him
into the river, but Avon would never allow himself to float into the middle
of a game of Pooh-sticks.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:31:52 +0100
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] New frame captures
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Billiot Ness said:
> Winnie the Pooh was originally a series of extremely good books. If you
> get them, get the ones with illustrations by E.H.Sheppard -- they are a
> *lot* better than some of the cheaper versions, and millions of times
> better than the American cartoon.
The one good thing the cartoon had was Tigger's song. Actually, the words
might have been A.A.Milne's anyway, but I can't remember. No - Milne would
never have written "their bottoms are made out of springs", surely?
> I used to hae a copy of "The House at Pooh Corner" in Latin...
I have Winnie Ille Pooh, but not the sequel. I can't read the thing,
unfortunately - my Latin extends to the word "Latin", and that's about it.
I also have "The Zen of Pooh" and "The Tao of Piglet". Or is that the other
way round?
> Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles....
>
> Christopher Robin - Blake
> Pooh - Tarrant
> Rabbit - Avon
> Piglet - Vila
> Eeyore - Gan
> Owl - Cally
> Kanga - Jenna
> Roo - Dayna
Pooh is surely Vila - a bit dozy, not terribly energetic, quite content to
sit and indulge themselves, whether on Soma or honey. And they both have a
lot of intelligence, in their own peculiar way.
Tarrant is keen, innocent and naive, but always willing to help out. Piglet
in a box. With a bow on top and postage to Australia.
Wol is Orac - knowing everything but nothing.
I agree with Kanga - late canon Jenna has the same sort of housewife
concern about the lads when they go off to play in their chalk pits.
And Roo is a pretty good Dayna, age-wise, except that of course Dayna never
met Jenna. Otherwise, I can quite see the same sort of relationship being
set up between them.
Rabbit as Avon? Well, maybe. I never really got a handle on Rabbit, except
that he was always in a hurry going nowhere. That presumably caused a lot
of stress, so that describes 4th season Avon quite well. And he doesn't get
very far either.
I agree that Gan is Eeyore-like, but Zen is more so. Says even less, and
even has a similar voice. Well, the way my Dad did Eeyore, which is of
course the _only_ way to do Eeyore (slower, dozier and lower than the
cartoons, and in a half-Aus-half-Brit accent). Actually, it's even closer
to Slave's than Zen's.
The Woozle is obviously Central Control, since they found where it wasn't.
I'm sure we all know who the alluring Alice and her handsome Guardsman
friend are.
That leaves Cally and Soolin a bit left out, but we've rather run out of
characters. I suppose Soolin could be the swarm of bees that attack Pooh
when he floats up with some balloons to get their honey. But that's about
as close to vicious as Winnie the Pooh gets. And we're sadly lacking for
telepaths, new-age hippies or councellors in Winnie the Pooh. The closest
you get is Christopher Robin saying "silly bear." I suppose she could be
the narrator/author. That would fit quite well. Otherwise she gets to be
heffalump, which is mean.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:53:46 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Tigger and submissive Avon
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At 01:26 24/04/98 +0100, Tom wrote:
>Bill Nessie said:
^^^^^^
I think I'm going to have to put that 'M' in big bold letters, aren't I!
(Pity this is a text-only medium)
>> Mostly we just wonder why there was all the fuss when treating the
>> oposite gender as sex objects was the typical male thing to do... :-)
>
>And... cue the anti-feminist counterstrike, with me leading from the front,
>armed with a copy of "Big'n'Bouncy Weekly" as non-offensive weapon and a
>"Diet Coke Break" advert as moral justification.
>
But anyway, my smiley-blind friend.... back here at the lysator list we
were talking about how people view well-clad B7 characters (a shame you
snipped the original question). But I'm sure if you want to debate the
gender-politics of publication censorship laws, one of the newsgroups will
have a suitable flame-war going on right now.
(Besides which, I'd rather have thought that if you were going to compare
objectifying publications, "Australian Women's Forum" is a morelikely
candidate than the Diet Coke ad, being a magazine of nude men produced for
women. Personally, I tend to disapprove of both genders of naked
publication.)
--------------------------------------------------------
The Loch Mess Monster
(occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:29:41 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Pooh parallels - getting sillier
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Tom:
[biiiig snip]
>The Woozle is obviously Central Control, since they found where it wasn't.
Yes! Excellent!
>I'm sure we all know who the alluring Alice and her handsome Guardsman
>friend are.
"They're changing the guard at Buckingham Palace
Christopher Robin went down with Alice..."
Does that make Avon CR? Or maybe Jarvik? I'm going to stop this now before
I get my hand smacked and sent to Space City :-)
>That leaves Cally and Soolin a bit left out, but we've rather run out of
>characters. I suppose Soolin could be the swarm of bees that attack Pooh
>when he floats up with some balloons to get their honey. But that's about
>as close to vicious as Winnie the Pooh gets. And we're sadly lacking for
>telepaths, new-age hippies or councellors in Winnie the Pooh. The closest
>you get is Christopher Robin saying "silly bear." I suppose she could be
>the narrator/author. That would fit quite well. Otherwise she gets to be
>heffalump, which is mean.
It occurs to me that Pooh stumbling around trying to get a jar off his head
would look rather like Gan or Blake with their respective headaches.
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie
Dunedin, New Zealand
nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
Landing: a controlled mid-air collision with a planet.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:59:41 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Tramila <cdmunoz@earthlink.net>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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Tramila wrote:
>
> >Tramila's response to Vila's shooting Tarrant:
> >>Now there's a thought.... a happy thought.
> >><ducking and running from the Tarrant Nostra>
>
> Carol Mc wrote:
> >People, I didn't want to have to become a serial cyberkiller,
> >but ... <sniff> ... how much can a Tarrant fan take.
>
> :) he he oops sorry. But Tarrant was an irritant from the moment he said,
> "My ship!" grrrrr
> I may be a Vila fan now but I started out an Avon fan and that Tarrant
> comment placed by into the category of low life in my book. It was Avon's
> ship. It was always Avon's ship from the moment that he stepped on board.
Of course it was. Only Jenna, Blake, and Zen didn't quite understand.
>
> >Besides, if Vila shoots Tarrant, he's going to be awfully lonely alone in
> bed at night. ;-)
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> Not really. He'll be with Avon. Remember. He's always safe with Avon.
And closer to getting wealthy.
> LOL Except during Orbit. hummmmmm. And speaking of A/V...perhaps I should
> dig out a few of my zlines.... naaaaw, not enough time. Have company
> coming. Must clean house. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Of the concept of your house being clean? Of the cleaning process? How
do V.I.C.E. members keep their houses? Or is it the coompany we are to
fear... oh, Avon's coming for dinner, or course.
>
> Tramila
> ---------
> Charter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E.
> Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element
> Am I corruptable? Of course I am! and loving it!!!
Corruptable but oh, so likable. Particularly because I like the way you
think. Let's go steal DSV3 and call it "Liberated". <eg>
Helen aka Avona
A.S.K.S. and receives
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:39:56 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
Message-Id: <199804240244.VAA28297@pemberton.magnolia.net>
Damn, I meant this to go to the list, not just Tramila alone. Oh well.
Better late than never.
Tramila said:
>:) he he oops sorry. But Tarrant was an irritant from the moment he said,
>"My ship!" grrrrr
>I may be a Vila fan now but I started out an Avon fan and that Tarrant
>comment placed by into the category of low life in my book. It was Avon's
>ship. It was always Avon's ship from the moment that he stepped on board.
Gee, I remember Blake and Jenna stepping aboard Liberator at the same time
as Avon. I always thought Jenna had the best claim, myself, owing to her
link with Zen.
Liberator was found floating crewless by Tarrant and the Death Squad. As
far as I understand salvage laws, it's finder's keepers, so it really *was*
Tarrant's ship. I thought it was awfully nice of him to let Avon have it
back. :-)
Lorna B.
"I'm trying to contain an outbreak here and you're driving
the monkey to the airport!"
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:52:55 EDT
From: ShelaB7 <ShelaB7@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The good ones in season 4
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>> Lorna B wrote:
Liberator was found floating crewless by Tarrant and the Death Squad. As
far as I understand salvage laws, it's finder's keepers, so it really *was*
Tarrant's ship. I thought it was awfully nice of him to let Avon have it
back. :-) >>
Well, he really didn't have much choice, considering ZEN wouldn't talk to
him.
Shela
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:20:58 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
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Reuben Herfindahl wrote:
>What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves
>fans of?
My five major fandoms are B7, UFO, Professionals, Man From U.N.C.L.E., and
Eroica. I also dabble in Wild, Wild West and Alias Smith & Jones. Those are
the only ones in which I read fanfic; there are a few other shows I know
very well but either I'm not interested in the fanfic or there is little to
none out there (or both.)
- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:27:43 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] re Christopher Wheatley
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Jackie wrote:
>The long term fans who did not/ have not joined fan clubs, or bought
>fanzines, or professional publications, how did you sustain your interest in
>Blakes 7 during the barren 80`s/early 90`s?
I'd never heard of the show until I stumbled across it during its first
airing where I live in, I think, '85. And it was another ten years before I
encountered or obtained any fanfic. I taped the show during its second run
here, so I had videos of the entire series. Those were really all I needed;
my interest doesn't ultimately depend on anything but the show itself.
>How did you find out about Lysator and/or Space City?
Web search.
- Lisa
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@ti.com
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
New Riders of the Golden Age: http://www.warhorse.com/
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:00:09 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
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Regarding what other things we're fans of:
Television shows...
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Xena
Babylon 5
Doctor Who
The Prisoner.
Japansese animations (Ranma 1/2, The Slayers)
I consider myself a fan if I collect on tape or I've done costumes from
it. :)
print medium...
Hannibal King, the vampire detective from Marvel Comics, created by Marv
Wolfman. Anything written my Marv Wolfman is worthwhile if you
appreciate traditional horror.
The Phillip Marlowe novels and stories by Raymond Chandler.
J.R.R. Tolkien's works
Jane Austen's works
I, Robot and sequels (Isaac Asimov)
musicals...
Wildhorn, a composer who has recently gotten some of his work produced
on Broadway has done wonderful things. "Jekyll and Hyde" is a hit. "The
Scarlet Pimpernel" deserves a bigger audience than it's been getting.
"Svengali", when finished, will but "Phantom of the Opera" to shame. And
the casts from these shows are incredible. I'm on the Scarlet Pimpernel
mailing list, the only one I'm on besides this one.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:39:13 +1000
From: Bill Billingsley <whb@bha.oz.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: fans
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Jackie wrote:
>>The long term fans who did not/ have not joined fan clubs, or bought
>>fanzines, or professional publications, how did you sustain your interest
in
>>Blakes 7 during the barren 80`s/early 90`s?
I couldn't remember quite that much about it. Things picked up again when
I found a video store with the tapes. (Aftermath/Power Play was the first
tape I got out).
>>How did you find out about Lysator and/or Space City?
*trip* ouch! What was that? Oh look, it's a Blake's 7 list (quietly
subscribes).
(I stumbled across it from a link on a web page).
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The Loch Mess Monster
(occaisionally mistaken as Bill Billingsley)
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:07:15 EDT
From: ShelaB7 <ShelaB7@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] What makes a fan? (new question)
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<< Reuben Herfindahl wrote:
What other shows, or anything actually do people here consider themselves
ans of? >>
My one and only fandom/interest is Blake's 7.
I've watched Babylon 5, Star Trek, SAaB, and a few other shows, but nothing
has grabbed my attention like Blake's 7. I DO like UFO but not to the extreme
of Blake's 7.
Shela
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:20:03 +1200
From: "Graham, Gregory" <GrahamG@agresearch.cri.nz>
To: "'Una McCormack'" <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>,
Lysator
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Pooh and company
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Una McCormack [SMTP:umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 11:15 PM
> To: Lysator
> Subject: [B7L] Pooh and company
>
> There is a Pooh / Blake's 7 crossover story on 'The Aquitar Files'
>
>
> Una
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
Ye GODS, Now I've heard everything! Where can I get a copy, should be
worth it for the humour value at least :].
Greg
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:26:28 +1200
From: "Graham, Gregory" <GrahamG@agresearch.cri.nz>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kathryn Andersen [SMTP:kat@welkin.apana.org.au]
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 10:48 PM
> To: Blake's 7 list
> Subject: Seven as Pooh (was Re: [B7L] New frame captures)
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 05:35:45PM +1000, Bill Billingsley wrote:
> > Which Pooh characters would you cast in which roles....
> >
> > Christopher Robin - Blake
> > Pooh - Tarrant
> > Rabbit - Avon
> > Piglet - Vila
> > Eeyore - Gan
> > Owl - Cally
> > Kanga - Jenna
> > Roo - Dayna
>
> No...
> Pooh - Gan
> Piglet - Vila
> because Pooh is a gentle, kind bear, though of little brain,
> and Piglet is his timid friend, which I think is a good representation
> of the Gan-Vila relationship
> I agree with Calle - Owl is Orac.
> Yes, Avon is probably Rabbit.
> Tarrant is Tigger - very boucy and impulsive. Tarrant isn't like Pooh
> at all!
> I don't think there *is* an Eeyore character in the Seven, there isn't
> anyone who's really terminally depressed like Eeyore is - unless you
> count Slave?
> So who do we have left?
> Kanga and Roo, Cally, Jenna, Dayna, Soolin, Zen, Servalan and Travis.
> Hmmm, not enough to go around.
>
Jenna would be my best guess for Kanga(the big one?) though it's a bit
of a squeeze and Soolin may fit as Roo. But it's not as hard as trying
to get a villain into the 100acre woods (Travis as a heffalump?)
> --
> _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen
> <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
> / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat
> \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h"
> v |
> ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern
> Hemisphere
> Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe
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