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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 93
Today's Topics:
Fwd: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
Fwd: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
[B7L] forwarded posts
Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
Re: [B7L] forwarded posts
Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
[B7L] Data Protection Act...
[B7L] Take heed of what you post...
Re: [B7L] Data Protection Act...
Re: [B7L] Data Protection Act...
[B7L] Children of Auron
[B7L] Delurking...
[B7L] _Rescue_ Waffle.
Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #84Re: Cally & Avon
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
[B7L] April Fool!
[B7L] Re:Horizon discussion mess
[B7L] Costumes
[B7L] Re: Anna
[B7L] Costumes
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #91
[B7L] Horiz0n Flamewar - Leave me alone please
[B7L] Bad list behaviour
[B7L] Avon's skills and Blake knowing about them
Re: [B7L] Anna's name (was Avon's skills)
Re: [B7L] Anna's name (was Avon's skills)
Re: [B7L] Offers of marriage
Re: [B7L] Horizon (In Fairy Lights)
Re: [B7L] Horizon
[B7L] REM
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:27:55 +0000
From: huh@ccm.net
To: lwillens@cch.com
Cc: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
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Forwarded Message:
> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:04:44 +0100
> -----
> In message <00ee01bf9a2c$58c4e340$56a201d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk>,
> Andrew Ellis <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com> writes
> >You don't put you top top agent onto a meagre bank fraud. If you need to do
> >that, you really are in trouble. So I think Anna (real name because of
> >brothers actions), who reports to the Federation as Bartholomew, and lives a
> >civil life as Sula either.
>
> 3) The Feds *thought* Avon was into something bigger - as stated by
> Shrinker.
> --
> Julia Jones
> "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
> The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:28:54 +0000
From: huh@ccm.net
To: lwillens@cch.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
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> To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:15:04 +0100
> -----
> In message <btLCaAAVhL54EwBT@wriding.demon.co.uk>, Russ Massey
> <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk> writes
> >Here it is then - the threatened first part of a series that'll never be
> >completed in a million years. An analysis of the B7 episodes solely
> >from Cally's point of view.
>
> Trying very hard here for non-INTx behaviour - nice post, keep doing
> them.
> --
> Julia Jones
> "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
> The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
>
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:30:18 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
Message-ID: <8TUINpAarQ54Ew2D@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <98.34632f1.26165812@aol.com>, Prmolloy@aol.com writes
>Keep us posted. Perhaps this is a new area of fan interest. Mattel could
>make little Avon dolls and we could dress him up exactly as we want.
You should have seen the Phantom Menace dolls a couple of tables along
from Waveney in the dealers' room at Eclecticon:-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 100 14:42:18 +0000
From: huh@ccm.net
To: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] forwarded posts
Message-Id: <200003312042.OAA12008@bowe.ccm.net>
I humbly apologize to all lyst members- I had no idea that forwarding the
message to my work email would result in a forward to the lyst as well.
Whenever I try to read Julia's posts from the web and not from my home box they
always come as an unopenable attachment. I was trying to see if I could read
them from my work email rather than wait until I got home. Can you tell I am
having a slow work day? I am also a little messed up on cold medicine. I am
slightly confused as to why they would return to the list though- I didn't see
the lyst address in the forward address box. hmmm. Again, very sorry. And I am
sorry for POSTING to say I'm sorry!
I might as well answer the question about why lurkers post during flame
wars. The reason I tend to post during those situations is that eventually the
tension gets so high that one has to respond regardless. Everyone can have an
opinion about a battle, it isn't so easy to come up with interesting or
valuable contributions to other posts. The general standard of the lyst posts,
for example, goes far beyond my own thoughts on Blakes 7. I love the show but I
certainly have nothing extraordinary to say about it. Now, on some of my other
lists I have plenty to say. Be glad this isn't one of them. :)
lisabeth
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:23:19 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
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From: mistral>
>Andrew Ellis wrote:
>
>> You don't put you top top agent onto a meagre bank fraud. If you need to
do
>> that, you really are in trouble. So I think Anna (real name because of
>> brothers actions), who reports to the Federation as Bartholomew, and
lives a
>> civil life as Sula
>
>So far, so good. I agree.
>
>> either.
>> 2) Avon was into something bigger....... But why does Anna use her real
name in this scenario ?
>
>You've overlooked the rather obvious scenario 3), which we are handed
>by the series and which I find you've given me no compelling reason to
>discount: the Feds *thought* Avon was onto something bigger.
Yes I agree (told you I would have missed something). The Feds thought Avon
was in something bigger. Anna's actions are independant of if Avon actually
WAS into something or not, so we can leave that out.
>Anna could have used her real name for a variety of reasons in this
>case;
But we should remember that even within the service she does not even use
her real name, some people even think Bartholemew is a man (sexist or what
? - probably a very old spin, but what other blatant sexist things do we
have in B7 ?). Even for a prolonged background assignment, she uses a false
name (Sula), so it must be normal for her to use a false name. Use of her
real name is an exception and would have a compelling reason.
>if he were indeed guilty he would be dead or deported for life
>and her identity would be in no danger.
Don't buy that because if Avon IS into something bigger, her cover could
easily be blown when she starts to get close to the rest of the team.
>Perhaps he was previously
>acquainted with Del Grant and she used that for an introduction.
>Perhaps she was already acquainted with him.
Yep I think you know I agree with that one.
>Perhaps she knew
>how suspicious he would be of a new acquaintance at that time in
>his life and that he would run extensive checks on her background
>before trusting her--what better, more thorough cover than a real one?
>
But when you control the records, false identities are easy. Is Avon that
good that he could detect false comuter records ?
>Of far more interest to me is why the name 'Sula' Chesku.
Thats just buisness as usual.
> I am
>thoroughly convinced Avon knew she [Anna] was married to Chesku,
Go on enlighten me as to why.
Andrew
> I (generally) prefer Occam's Razor.
>
Except for when it is overly restrictive.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:09:45 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Time Squad - A Cally Perspective (long)
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Russ said
<
Here it is then - the threatened first part of a series that'll never be
completed in a million years. An analysis of the B7 episodes solely
from Cally's point of view. I'm trying to concentrate on her reactions
and responses to the other crew members and the situations with a
view to working out what her own motivations are; especially where a
clue might be provided towards an explanation of her change in
character as the series progressed.
TIME SQUAD - A CALLY PERSPECTIVE
>
Russ
Looking forward to the rest, I enjoyed that.
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:25:42 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <mistral@ptinet.net>, "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills
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From: mistral
>Andrew Ellis wrote:
>
>> I might have forgotten something again, but I get the impression that the
>> Captain didn't want to waste time on shore leave on CA because it was a
>> dump. The Federation might not even know about the "plague", or even
care.
>
>I rather thought it's because he knew the natives were unfriendly.
>
That as well
Andrew
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:27:40 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
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Prmolloy@aol.com writes
>Perhaps this is a new area of fan interest. Mattel could
>make little Avon dolls and we could dress him up exactly as we want.
Julia responded
You should have seen the Phantom Menace dolls a couple of tables along
from Waveney in the dealers' room at Eclecticon:-)
Hmm, Liam Neeson and Ewan MacGregor dolls... yes, almost enough to distract
me, temporarily only, from the snarly one. (now if they were dressed in
leather instead of burlap...)
which finger are we analyzing now?
Trish
whose thoughts would never meet with Horizon's approval
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:50:27 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: huh@ccm.net
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] forwarded posts
Message-ID: <lCKep6Aj2R54EwE4@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <200003312042.OAA12008@bowe.ccm.net>, huh@ccm.net writes
>I humbly apologize to all lyst members- I had no idea that forwarding the
>message to my work email would result in a forward to the lyst as well.
>Whenever I try to read Julia's posts from the web and not from my home box they
>always come as an unopenable attachment.
Lord knows why - Turnpike is written by people devoted to the RFCs, so
it doesn't do weird things the way Gatesware does. Hmm. What browser are
you using when it happens? This one?
X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan v2.0
There have been reports of Netscape in particular (for once M$ is not
the major culprit) coding in such a way that it can't read RFC-compliant
emails under certain circumstances (ie emails that comply *strictly*
with the RFC), so there have definitely been difficulties over the
latest implementation of MIME, but I can't see where that's likely to
come into it here. With a bit of info on what you're using, I can ask in
the Turnpike newsgroup.
>I was trying to see if I could read
>them from my work email rather than wait until I got home. Can you tell I am
>having a slow work day? I am also a little messed up on cold medicine. I am
>slightly confused as to why they would return to the list though- I didn't see
>the lyst address in the forward address box.
You might find that your webmail service is trying to treat it as a
reply, and automatically sends a copy to the listserver the email came
to you from as well as the address you're sending it to. As this
software, and others, do with replies to list mail if not told otherwise
- which on this occasion I'm not doing for a specific, and obvious,
reason.
Assuming you can read this, which will be a diagnostic aid in itself:-),
try forwarding the copy that came direct to you rather than via the
Lyst, and see what happens.
Any of the resident BOFHs have an idea what's going on?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:52:32 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Outfits
Message-ID: <qy6dl+Ag4R54EwH8@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <90.269f635.2616724c@aol.com>, Prmolloy@aol.com writes
>
>Julia responded
> You should have seen the Phantom Menace dolls a couple of tables along
> from Waveney in the dealers' room at Eclecticon:-)
>
>
>Hmm, Liam Neeson and Ewan MacGregor dolls... yes, almost enough to distract
>me, temporarily only, from the snarly one. (now if they were dressed in
>leather instead of burlap...)
They were. The owner said that it's *amazing* what you can do with
outfits intended for Xena dolls. Really made me wish for an Avon and
Blake doll set...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:03:33 GMT
From: "David Fielding" <davidft10@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Data Protection Act...
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>Judith said
>"Abuse of position", eh? I don't think, actually, that being asked by
>"Horizon" to pass legitimate information along to Lysator counts as abuse
>of any position.
So, you were "asked by Horizon to pass legitimate information", were you?
In you last posting you said you knew the info because you had memorised the
complete Horizon database during your short and "shambolic" (see Diane
Gies's comment on page 90 of H39) time as "Zine/script Officer". Well,
thank you for coming clean at last, and thank you also for implicating Diane
Gies in your unethical snooping.
What a piss-poor adversary.
I'm going now.
David F.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:23:46 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Take heed of what you post...
Message-ID: <YRehtDByVS54EwSO@jajones.demon.co.uk>
It occurs to me, what with the temperature around here of late, that it
is a good time to remind people that this is a publicly archived list,
and what you say today may come back to haunt you in years to come. For
example, an attack of repeat fever on the part of the BBC may give your
boss the notion to watch this programme to find out why your office wall
is decorated with posters, and why you use a frame grab from Yawn of the
Gods as your Windows wallpaper. And he may have already decided
previously to go rummaging around Judith Proctor's website, reading all
the interesting bits there, such as how to make a transporter bracelet
(sic). And he may ask you if the mailing list is publicly archived, and
where, because he'd like to see some of the discussion, to see what it
is in this show that grown people find so fascinating to talk about. Hi,
Lewis...
That's it. Any slash zine reviews I do for the website will be under a
pseud. I don't mind him knowing I read/write the stuff, I don't want him
reading my detailed drooling. It was bad enough when he found a partly
completed draft on a floppy it should not have been on, after some kind
soul fiddled with the autosave settings on my word processor...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:34:00 +0100
From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Data Protection Act...
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At 23:03 31/03/00 , David Fielding wrote:
>>Judith said
>>"Abuse of position", eh? I don't think, actually, that being asked by
>>"Horizon" to pass legitimate information along to Lysator counts as abuse
>>of any position.
>
>So, you were "asked by Horizon to pass legitimate information", were you?
>In you last posting you said you knew the info because you had memorised the
>complete Horizon database during your short and "shambolic" (see Diane
>Gies's comment on page 90 of H39) time as "Zine/script Officer". Well,
>thank you for coming clean at last, and thank you also for implicating Diane
>Gies in your unethical snooping.
>What a piss-poor adversary.
>
>I'm going now.
>
>
>David F.
>
"David",
Actually, someone else suggested that I had "memorised the complete Horizon
database". I merely said that I had once had legitimate access to it. Check
your facts please.
I can assure you, "shambolic" doesn't come anywhere near the way I
described the situation myself. But then, I have a sense of humour,
something I rather suspect you have lost.
"Coming clean..." "Implicating Diane Gies"? Aren't those the sort of
hysterical phrases used when there is something to hide?
"Adversary". What an interesting way to describe me.
You're such a droll fellow, "David". Really.
Judith
http://home.clara.net/jager
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:19:17 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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To both Judith and David - I'm sorry if this offends, but couldn't you
*both* go, squabble somewhere else, and come back when it's over? The posts
on both sides have got past unpleasant and are now just boring.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:20:04 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Children of Auron
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In her quest to become a single Mum/Rosie O'Donnell apres la lettre, even
though Servalan thought she would need to come up with _15_ names, somehow I
don't think either "Travis" or "Blake" would have made the cut.
-(Y)
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 11:37:41 +1000
From: Margaret <zaselpha@mailandnews.com>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Yes, well. I'm this habitual lurker. Bad me. I honestly don't mean to be, I just
don't often get round to writing comments? I'm somewhat more active on FC.
Prolly 'cause there I can waffle on about things I mustn't mention here. ;)
On the other hand, getting the digest as I do, by the time I get the digest and
write something coherent in response, someone else has usually said all I want
to say in a much more succint and sensible way. Most of what I'd say would end
up being 'me too!'s and they realy don't add much to the world.
On the other hand, I read it all avidly. :)
On psudonyms and real names and the like. I really don't think it matters unless
one is doing it to be anonymously nasty. After all, I could say 'My name is
Alison Smithe' to people IRL and they couldn't prove on a casual basis that I
was lying. Courts are different. ;) I rarely use my real name online - mostly
because I'm not personally comfortable with it. For that matter, I've used
several names on here over the 2+ years I've been on the mailing list. If anyone
is curious, I'm happy to relate them - and /why/ I've ended up with different
names. Either way, I'm me. I've never pretended to be otherwise.
Anyway. Real B7 related comments in another email.
Margaret.
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 11:37:51 +1000
From: Margaret <zaselpha@mailandnews.com>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] _Rescue_ Waffle.
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I just rewatched this - hadn't seen it for a few years. [It is rather difficult
to prise both video *and* unclaimed VCR/lounge room from my sister's clutch.]
Below are my incoherent waffling, rambling comments.
I liked it. :) Dorian was fascinating. It's not many actors who could have taken
a script like that and done so well! And he's interesting to watch. I
particularly liked his exchanges with Orac - and I can't help wondering if Orac
would have gotten along better with Dorian after a while than it did with Avon.
Although Dorian was most assuredly mad, Ensor was a bit mad as well.
Avon was a disappointment. I muchly prefer the first or second season Avon. This
Avon seemed.... unrealistic and I don't know why. His behaviour with Dayna at
the start seemed to jar. He was quietly protective of her at time during the 3rd
season - the disregard for her safety that let him see her dashing off madly
didn't feel in character to me. Especially with so little ammunition. Avon
doesn't seem to be valueing his own hide so much in this episode - or else he's
just being snarky. Think of the comment to Tarrant later on - 'While something's
eating me, you can get away?' 'Or vise versa'. [Can't recall exactly words.]
And the gloves Avon wears spoils the outfit.
Tarrant! Ah hah, now /this/ was what kept me riveted to the screen. *hee* Avon
was below par, Dorian was interesting but since I knew he was a guest
character... Vila isn't as appealing to look at and Josette really isn't as good
an actor. Soolin was delightful but she appeared late, didn't she?
Dragged out of the entrance to the tunnels. Poor baby. And then being told that
Vila rescued the wrong one when he rescued Tarrant. But he's fallen so easily
into the position of second in command here - do you think that's just 'cause
he's injured? Or not? He and Avon just work together so *well* when they're
dealing with Dorian. And then when they take off in Scorpio. They don't need to
discuss anything - they just do it. Backing up one another. How come we didn't
see this Tarrant all through the 3rd season?? Not to mention his outfit.
Dayna... aside from thinking Josette didn't act nearly as well as the others, I
don't have much to say. Dayna has never interested me much.
Vila is distinctly more interesting. And he shows up some real good sense - and
some courage too. If I was Vila, I don't know if I'd have dared to head down
those stairs after Dorian and the others. And he seems so human - hankering
after the wine as he does.
Soolin. Now, I confess. :) I adore Soolin. I personally find her the most
fascinating of -all- the B7 regulars, although Tarrant & Travis are close
behind. First thing that intrigued me was her reaction to Slave. 'that creepy
flight computer of yours'. Why 'creepy'? Slave might grate on one's nerves after
a while, but /creepy/? Hrm. Does she find that kind of subservience in a machine
scary? If so, why?
Her reaction to Dorian. I get the impression that she is only partly playing a
role - that she was close to Dorian physically. But not mentaly. There is no
trust between them. It makes me wonder why Soolin stays there. Is it because she
has no where else to go? I'm not so sure that it is. I odn't get the feeling
that Xanon was a safe hidey hole for her. More like just another place to work.
What was Dorian paying her to stay?
And then, down in the room with the monster. Soolin doesn't go hysterical. I
know I would. Dayna did. Was it less frightening than something else she's
survived. Or what? What did she really think of Dorian's switch to overt madman?
There is just enough in her body language to intrigue me and not enough to be
certain!
Overall... Rescue was interesting. :) More interesting than I remembered. [But
then, last time I watched it I didn't appreciate Tarrant nearly so much!]
Margaret.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:45:58 +4100
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #84Re: Cally & Avon
Re: [B7L] Cally & Avon
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>
> >Vila, OTOH, is not that discriminating, is he? ;-)
>
> You have to ask? <grin>
>
More so than Tarrant, though. Never tried to have a go at Servalan.
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:55:50 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] April Fool!
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Mistral wrote:
>Vila's To-Do List, April 1, xxxx
>(1) Replace Tarrant's shampoo with Soolin's depilatory cream.
>(2) Replace Soolin's shampoo with sealing gel.
>(3) Rig Dayna's gun for joybuzzer feedback.
>(4) Put Avon's studded clothes under the heat lamp while he showers--zipper next to the bulb.
>(5) Tell Slave the story of Spartacus.
>(6) The Killer--Get Orac to tell Avon Blake's on Gauda Prime.
<chortle snort> oh, wicked wicked trickster - but...
ACK! That's only 6 - this won't do! Must have SEVEN! (7)
Dayna's To-Do April Fool's Day list:
1. Put hair straightener in Tarrant's shampoo.
2. Put blue dye in Soolin's shower nozzle (what an adorable li'l Smurf)
3. Replace Vila's soma with Schzarzenneger Strongman Workout Juice.
4. Reprogram Slave with delusions of being King Henry VIII.
5. Douse Orac with Pylene-50.
6. Load laughing gas in Avon's blow-dryer.
7. Replace Servalan's after dinner sherry with rat poison.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:57:53 +4100
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:Horizon discussion mess
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I've seen a number of times where fans of goodwill nonetheless had to
break their code of not saying nasty things about people behind their
backs simply so that innocents wouldn't be taken in by a power-bloated
big fish in the small pond of fandom.
Can we now reach the point where we can close this discussion, or at
least get it back on track? A few of these posts are really escalating
out of control, accusing one person of being someone else, or ,OTOH,
saying someone has no right to criticize because they use an assumed
name accomplishes absolutely nothing other than making those of us on
the sidelines start scrolling past a without reading. I don't mind
people telling about their personal experiences with the cllub and/or
president, good or bad, but to speculate wildly is not only poor taste
but poor logic.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:15:20 +4100
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> Which costume do you have in mind? The only really awful one I can think of
> is that traffic warden's gear from Pressure Point. But with Servalan's and
> Avon's outfits drawing my attention, I only notice those of the others when
> they're exceptionally bad :-)
>
> Marian (totally devoid of any fashion sense)
My vote for Vila's Worst Costume/worst costume of the series, is his
blue jumpsuit with built in targets done on it in white. Concentric
circles are just a bad idea when dealing with trigger-happy bad guys.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:32:23 +4100
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Anna
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Ellynne
>
> I'd guess (whether or not Anna had ever pretended to be a weak female in
> need of protection) that she hadn't downplayed her mind. When she tells
> Avon they were well matched, she's not saying, "This may come as a
> complete surprise to you, but we have a lot in common and you aren't the
> only person in the room who can add two and two to get four." She
> expected him to know this. Besides, Grant (nondissembler) probably was
> around them enough to notice if Anna hadn't been herself around Avon and
> could have been expected to comment in Countdown ("And another thing, my
> sister only pretended to be a ditz to soothe that inflated ego of yours.
> And you fell for it.").
>
More reasons... if you want someone to tell you your plans, you have to
be intelligent enough to be worth talking to. Stupidity is actually
pretty difficult to consistently fake. In fact, one Sherlock Holmes
pastiche I wrote makes use of a clever person going a bit overboard
playing at being a silly girl. Further, Avon would not be attracted to a
stupid woman; he would ignore her. A good operative would get enough of
a feel for his personality before moving in. Also, femme fatales in
general seem to make use of men's enjoyment of impressing a woman who is
complex, experienced and intelligent-- in short, a woman one would
expect to be hard to impress. Ditzes are a dime a dozen, especially
likely to be availabl e in a place like the Federation, when any
superior grade citizen probably knows of places to slum it with buxom
party girls from the Deltas.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:39:46 +4100
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> But then, he also wears black rather nicely - that's a very nice pair of
> tight leather trousers he's wearing in Killer (yes, yes, so they ain't
> Avon's red work of art from Weapon and Dawn, but then neither is Vila the
> work of art that Snarly is); he looks quite wonderful in that lovely black
> shirt in Weapon, and I like him better than Tarrant in Federation black
Michael's wardrobe and body language deliberately downplayed his
potential. His face is more affable than handsome, but his physique is
pretty darn good, when he isn't sloluching and crouching, and wears a
tight t-shirt that shows off this muscular arms instead of bulky stuff
meant to hide him.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:48:49 +4100
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> 2) Avon was into something bigger. The bank fraud was part of something.
> That's why Bartholomew was "running" Avon. To get at the other people
> involved. Not involved in the bank fraud, but the "grand plan". In this
> scenario, Avon is so immediately hostile to Blake because Avon's team was
> actually going to succeed, but Blake's outfit got wiped out and to make
> matters worse Blake got all the headlines. There was no way Avon would want
> to be associated with being one of Blakes crew, he wanted to run the
> revolution. But why does Anna use her real name in this scenario ?
>
> Andrew
Hmmm... Avon's computer skills. If he checks up on her, he notices
origins of documents not right. Wrong dates of origin, etc. Let him look
up her real identification, just close off anything that would lead to
recognition of what she does.
Also, I think this all makes sense, the theory that he wasn't just a
fraud. He's sure she died rather than tell everything she knows about
him. Why? He was arrested and tried for the fraud. No, she knew
something else about him, he knew she couldn't have told because he
wasn't charged with (treason or whatever).
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:43:59 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Borg?= <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Horiz0n Flamewar - Leave me alone please
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I'm posting this in response to emails from people that I assume are list members. I hope
to prevent further emails of the same kind reaching me. I will not be replying to those
emails individually, you will all recieve copies of this email. Anyone sending me email
regarding this matter will simply recieve a further copy of this email.
First a disclaimer: I am Peter Borg. That is my real name, and before anyone asks, no I
did not change it - I like Star Trek, but not that much :-)
Well, what an interesting thing to come home to after a holiday.
I spent 3 hours last night reading the list, and the thing I went to bed with buzzing in
my head was not interesting thoughts about B7 but turmoil over Horizon.
This is a response to some private (and in 2 cases abusive) emails I've had pestering me
to "reveal why you left the Horizon committee" and asking questions like "how can you
support such a corrupt organisation" amongst other things. These are probably the two
least inflammatory statements out of those emails.
Let me make this clear in a public forum. I am not, not have I ever been a Horizon
committee member, nor did I ever aspire to be such. I simply did not have the time. For a
while, I was on the "official helpers" list, as up until about a year ago, I helped out
with website and computery things. Aside from this, I've given occasional technical
advice to the committee. I am still a Horizon member.
I refuse to make any comment or submit any view in such a public forum, either positive
or negative, regarding Horizon, the website, the Zine, or anything else to do with
Horizon, its committee, helpers or members. Please refrain from asking me to do so.
Further, I will not under any circumstances forward any correspondance regarding any of
these matters to anyone.
I will make one further post regarding the behaviour of list members, but will not
comment on the discussion itself.
Peter.
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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:15:27 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Borg?= <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Bad list behaviour
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It's widely known amongst those who have been around a while in the world of B7 fandom
that there has been a split in the fandom for some time.
Further, it's been known through posts on this list and other fan communication that many
people feel that Horizon has shortcomings, and in some cases these have been directly
attributed to specific people within the world of fandom
I am sure that both sides can present facts for their case, and both have a right to do
so wherever and whenever they choose - no-one can stop them, and indeed why should they?
However, recent posts on this list suggest alternative agendas beyond expressing opinion.
Exactly what do these people expect to happen? Do they want Horizon to close? Be handed
over to someone else? If so, fine, say so. You're entitled to do so. The tone of some of
the posts certainly suggest some kind of intent, although it's not been made clear what
that intent is. Such emotive writing is unnecessary.
The discussion has not been helped by Judith Roll's posts. At the moment, she appears to
be the only voice Horizon has on this list; Judith, from where I sit you're not making
Horizon look particularly good in this instance. Hopefully, Horizon will respond
officially.
Whether or not it was the intention, the information passed on by Judith was set in a
tone which appeared as an attempt to discredit the statements of others by inferring that
these people were not who they say they are. The responses to that information suggest I
was not the only person to read the post this way.
However, I see no justification anywhere for the kind of posts that have been made from
several sides on this.
Several people have made a range of attacks on others, from banal to inflammatory. If you
want to make rational points regarding the way Horizon is run, or make reasoned comments
in defense of the way Horizon is run then fine, do it. But to be blunt, I couldn't give a
flying fuck what you personally think of each other, and such comments don't belong here.
If you want to attack each other, take it off list.
Peter.
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:04:29 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon's skills and Blake knowing about them
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As I said before, I can't see Avon functioning in the military. The
discipline would be an insurmountable obstacle. :-) Can we imagine him
meekly saluting and saying "Yes, sir," or even "Beg humbly permission to
disagree, sir," to a superior giving him an order he considers stupid?
He does have knowledge about military matters but he can have gained that
while working for them as a civilian.
That leads to the intriguing question of how Blake got to know about Avon's
acquaintance with cipher machines? Did it go like this:
Avon: "Blake, if you insist on destroying the Centero base you'd better let
me take out their cipher machine first. Knowing what the Federation is
planning would make life a lot safer for us, wouldn't you agree?"
Or like this:
Blake: "Avon, handling cipher machines wouldn't be one of your special
talents, by any chance?"
Avon (smug smile): "Well now, as a matter of fact..."
Marian
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:29:33 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Anna's name (was Avon's skills)
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Andrew Ellis wrote re Anna Grant:
>Even for a prolonged background assignment, she uses a false
>name (Sula), so it must be normal for her to use a false name.
Sula could be her second name, the one her husband prefers to use.
It does happen that different people use different names for the same
person. The most extreme example is from my own family: my father's name
was Johannes but he was called Jan by his father and that side of the
family, and Joop by his mother and here relatives. (The two sides didn't
get on.) :-)
If Sula was already married to Chesku at the time of the bank fraud, Avon
may have known about her being called Sula as well.
Marian
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 03:12:38 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Anna's name (was Avon's skills)
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Marian de Haan wrote:
> Sula could be her second name, the one her husband prefers to use.
Useful thought. I'd never considered Anna Sula Grant or
Sula Anna Grant attractive enough to be the correct name,
though. Perhaps, as in your example, her real name might
be Sulannah Grant? And Chesku, who seems to be very
concerned with appearances, found the family's nickname
Anna too ordinary. It would explain Servalan's knowing
both names, as well. Also Hob's calling her Sula.
Mistral
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:34:27 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Offers of marriage
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Una wrote:
> Trish:
>
> > No penguins here alas, but I do have 16+ years of Catholic school behind
> me.
>
> Hey! Me too! All good Catholic girls fall for Neil, huh?
Much as I hate to disappoint the pair of you, Ms Right in this pair of eyes
must be a fanatical atheist with rabid Marxist inclinations. Wearing greasy
overalls and singing songs about the glories of tractor factories will not
fool me.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:53:56 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (In Fairy Lights)
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> I bet you think you are Avon strutting up and down in your studded boots,
> with women falling at your feet... :)
Coo er chiz RUMBLED. Yes its true in my fantassies I am indede Ker Avon
whizzo computer feend and baeutiful gurls waring little or 0 kepe fanting at
my feet with evry step I take. Now reely my dere at first its v. flatering
but after the first 35000 or so when you hav to kepe steping over them it
rapidly become urksome.
Also I hav to kepe Villa with me at all times to lick lipstick off boots
kepe them shiny ect. I hope he do not meen it when he sa he dont mind in
fact he quite like the taist.
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:51:01 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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(Smiling quietly to herself, and getting a 12 year old case of deja vu.)
It's been my experience that the worst possible thing a fan club can ever do
is get "official" status. It makes promises that sometimes cannot be kept,
forces the staff to follow the political agenda of the celebrities and
producers that are often highly political and self-serving, harbours
potentially monstrous egos among the administration and frequently
deteriorates into minor bickering at best, warfare at worst. The fans expect
too much out of an amateur venture, and as the fans running it gradually lose
interest, they often neglect things and leave without passing along the
baton. There are good things that one can get out of a HORIZON, ideally news
and merchandise, but expecting anything else beyond is simply gravy,
including staunch idealism.
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:00:24 +0100
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] REM
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Alison said:
>I've been on a bit of a lyrics kick this week. REM lyrics work well in the
>songs, but frankly look rubbish when you write them down. But have you ever
>heard 'losing my religion'? Mr Stipe is perhaps a B7 fan (she wildly
>speculated)
Probably an angst fan - but perhaps we'd have a new soul for the faith if
we were ever able to get him to watch an ep. Terminal, perhaps?
'New Soul for the Faith' actually sounds appropriate for an REM song title.
By coincidence, I was listening to 'Murmur' when I read Alison's post, and
thinking 'really must get more REM' So this morning I picked up 'Out of
Time' and had a listen - thanks, Alison!
>Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
>Oh no I've said too much
>'I set it up'
>
>Consider this
>The slip that bought me to my knees
>Failed
>I said too much
>I didn't say enough
I think these two snippets are particularly appropriate. Try this one as well:
Every whisper
Of every waking hour
I'm choosing my confessions
Trying to keep an eye on you
Sounds to me like Avon thinking about Blake - of course, he would never say
such things to his face. Well, almost never...
>Alright, I admit this is probably the Rorschach effect, but it keeps me
>amused
On a cold day, it's better than faces in clouds :)
Nicola
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