From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #91 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/91 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 91 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress (was Horizon discussion) Re: [B7L] horizon Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) Re: [B7L] Outfits (was Horizon discussion) Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) [B7L] Horizon (flame) Re: [B7L] Volcano question Re: [B7L] Outfits (was Horizon discussion) Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion [B7L] Re: RPG Female Fans [B7L] A Commander's Lot [B7L] credit cards Re: [B7L] Volcano question [B7L] Horizon (In Flames) Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Re: [B7L] Horizon (In Flames) Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Re: [B7L] Avon's skills [B7L] Recent Discussion Re: Penguins again (was [B7L] Horizon (flame)) [B7L] REM Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) [B7L] Contributor's Motivations (was Horizon discussion) Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame)) Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:57:57 +0100 From: "Jakx" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-ID: <005101bf9a15$48c62880$4a47883e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I`m a lurker. I don`t like flame wars I use delete alot recently Jakx ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Patera Subject: [B7L] Horizon discussion > Marian wrote: > >Am I the only one who's getting thoroughly fed up with the Horizon discussion? > > > First let me say that I am not and never have been a member of Horizon. > And Pat is my real name. > > I am positively bleary eyed, wading thru all those looooong vitriolic > posts. > I think Michael Bailey is very lucky he bailed when he did. We did not > realize at the time that he was merely the appetizer for this feast of > fannish fricasse-ing > > And I know I don't *have* to scan all those Horizon posts, but it's > rather like driving past a grisly auto accident; one feels compelled to > look... > > However, it is interesting to see some of the lurkers crawl out and > post. > > I have a question: I used to get one digest a day, generally sent (I > assume) during the low net traffic time of 1 a.m. Now I am getting 3 a > day! Just out of curiosity, can anyone tell me how /when a digest 'sorts > itself out' and decides it is full and time to fly away? > > >Can't we turn to something more entertaining, like Avon's wardrobe? :-) > > Yes please. > > What a shame that Avon never got into the spirit of things at The Big > Wheel. Krantor and Toise were superlative in their silver bejeweled > costumes. And Servalan was to die for in her scarlet sequins. For Avon? > Gleaming blue-black satin, skin tight, trimmed with sparkly silvery > diamond studded bracelets and KISS-style silver knee high boots with six > inch platform heels. An Elvis-sized belt of silver studded with deep > blue sapphires. For a headpiece, something with blue violet plumes, I > think. Now picture this vision of delight doing the bosa nova with That > Scarlet Woman. > > oh! be still my beating heart! > PatPat > -- > "Never give up. Never surrender." > -- Galaxy Quest > > > _____________________________________________ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:09:52 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress (was Horizon discussion) Message-ID: <20000330070952.90653.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Pat Patera >trimmed with sparkly silvery diamond studded bracelets and KISS- >style silver knee high boots with six >inch platform heels. An Elvis-sized belt of silver studded with deep >blue sapphires. For a headpiece, something with blue violet plumes, I >think. Oh, Pat! >oh! be still my beating heart! Yeah, mine too - I'm a little young for heart attacks just yet. God help us - a headpiece with blue violet plumes... Regards Joanne (sorry Pat) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:09:38 +0200 From: Chris To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] horizon Message-ID: <38E30BC0.7DD404A5@cityweb.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > And I wasn't aware of 'your' position in the Netherlands. Here in the UK we > have far too many companies pushing 'free' web access on us. I know this > procedure is replicated in all the European countries I've visited. Maybe > in a year or so you guys will be in the same position. Roll on free local > calls.... Well, it hasnīt reach Germany so far, thatīs for sure. Over here you not only have to pay for the access to the web, but also for the time you are online via your telefon bill. The cheapest account I found so far is for 3.9 Pfennig the minute ( about 2 cents a minute ) And if you are online about half an hour or an hour a day to check your e-mail or surf the web, it really isnīt a free but a high expensive hobby to be online. Chris from Germany °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Carry on, my sweet survivor, carry on my only friend donīt give up on your dreams, donīt you let it end. Carry on my sweet survivor, though you know that somethingīs gone For everything that matters carry on ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 2000 09:41:43 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: B7 Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-ID: <86d7ochpl4.fsf@tezcatlipoca.algonet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Pat" == Pat Patera writes: > I have a question: I used to get one digest a day, generally sent (I > assume) during the low net traffic time of 1 a.m. Now I am getting 3 > a day! Just out of curiosity, can anyone tell me how /when a digest > 'sorts itself out' and decides it is full and time to fly away? The precise rules are a bit complex, but in essence it'll get sent when either a certain amount of time has passed or the accumulated postings have reached a certain size. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Maintainer of the Blake's 7 mailing list. Mail for info. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:37:48 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) Message-ID: <00a001bf9a23$55f33bc0$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trish: > Trish wondered: > > > Otherwise shut up or fuck off. > > > > Neil > > > > > > Neil, will you marry me? > > Una responded: > Get in line, girl, or I'll tear your hair out ;) > > > Oh dear, I see another duel emerging. I suppose I have to throw the fishies > from this side of the Atlantic and count on Paul Darrow physics for them to > reach you... It's OK, I've got my penguins trained to pick them up for me. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:44:11 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Outfits (was Horizon discussion) Message-ID: <20000330084411.19863.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> >(Actually, I'm more concerned about some >> >of the awful costumes that Vil awas lumbered with. What *did* Michael do >>to >> >upset the costume designer!?) >> >>Which costume do you have in mind? The only really awful one I can think >>of >>is that traffic warden's gear from Pressure Point. But with Servalan's >>and >>Avon's outfits drawing my attention, I only notice those of the others >>when >>they're exceptionally bad :-) > >Most of Vila's costume seem to be shapeless things in a nasty shade of shit >brown. Horrible. The tarffic warden one *is* awful, (but then so many in >Pressure Point are! Where's the dinner party that Jenna and Cally are going >to? I mean Servalan in evening dress I can cope with, but hardened guerilla >fighter and smugglers?) but then I hate the one he wears in Breakdown (and >much of the 1st series) that is orange, brown and red and buttons up the >front and makes him look like he has really hunched shoulders. The nasty >grey pyjamas with a sash from CATEOTW is fairly horrible/silly too. And teh >yellow trousers from Redemption. And.... > >Oh poor Michael, the list goes on. :) Actually, although I haven';t changed my opinion about Vila's costumes, *nothing* he gets to wear is quite as bad as Bran Foster's costume from The Way Back. I mean, I know he's on the run and everything, but please! :) Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:44:43 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: N.Faulkner@tesco.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) Message-ID: <20000330084443.52425.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Mat wrote: > > Excuse me Mr Faulkner - I have never accused Diva of being Diane. I >don't > > care who he/she/it is and respect her right to use a pseudonym as much >as >I > > wopuld hope she resepcts mine. > >Then excuse *me*, Mr [insert real name here], but my flame was directed to >the two of you since you are both clearly acquainted with each other Nope - I have no idea who he is and have never met him, nor indeed had I ever heard of him before last week. and >have both adopted the same negative approach to appraising the shortcomings >of Horizon. >The matter is not worth pursuing if the two of you persist in doing so in >such a juvenile manner. There are a great many people here with a negative approach to Horizon's shortcomings, yourself included. I haven't said anything that you haven't endorsed form your own posts and experiences. I have no wish to argue with you Neil but maybe you ought to re-read some of my posts about Horizon before accusing me of being juvenile. All I have said is that Diane seems to be intent on running Horizon as her own personal kingdom (and a comment about her taking her title as Supreme Commander a little too seriously.) a fact that you have substantiated. If anything you have been rather more vituperative about her than I have. Other than that, and a few comments about lack of democracy, I have not been rude, (merely critical) I have made no comment about her health, I *haven't* accused Diva of being anyone, nor have I accused Diane of being hidden here under a pseudonym. Whilst I understand that tempers are getting a little frayed I do resent being accused of juvenile behaviour in what I consider to be a serious debate that concerns all of Blake's 7 fandom. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:18:31 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Horizon (flame) Message-ID: <20000330111831.58077.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I appear to have sent this post twice in error. Appologies, I thought that I had cancelled the first one before it went (as I had more to add) but apparently not. Ooops! Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 03:44:27 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Volcano question Message-ID: <20000330114427.79964.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Jeroen wrote: as far as I can remember (it was a looong time ago) I first came in somewhere round Redemption/Horizon/Shadow...and the latter remains my absolute most adored episode, Redemption not far behind. Wonderful way to start (that first view of Our Heroes in Shadow *still* makes me still up...) Sally Also PS - Power is too worse than Animals. So is Stardrive. Moloch and The Keeper are better but far more hateable. (Errr...oh dear, Una, does this make me an Animals fan???) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 03:48:18 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Outfits (was Horizon discussion) Message-ID: <20000330114818.89624.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dorian wrote: Yeees, the Pressure Point flatworm is fairly ghastly, and his entire 1st season wardrobe looks like it came out of Zen's rag-bag. And the cardigan he wears in Kairos...oh dear. But then, he also wears black rather nicely - that's a very nice pair of tight leather trousers he's wearing in Killer (yes, yes, so they ain't Avon's red work of art from Weapon and Dawn, but then neither is Vila the work of art that Snarly is); he looks quite wonderful in that lovely black shirt in Weapon, and I like him better than Tarrant in Federation black. And he looks good in the pale yellow duds in Shadow (but then everyone looks gorgeous in Shadow except Cally - and that's Cally. Auron fashion sense just is - errr - unique.) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:26:01 +0100 From: Russ Massey To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-ID: <1QhZ1CA5P244Ewen@wriding.demon.co.uk> As a (mostly) lurker, I have to say that the current Horizon thread has provided me with more thrills and enjoyment than discussions of Avon's costumes ever have. Lets face it, it's a lot more fun to discuss/tear apart/support the foibles and failings of real people than those of fictional characters. Fandom allows the vicarious enjoyment of real world politics and back-biting but (usually) without the million dollar lawsuits and/or assaults with a deadly weapon that such things can occasion. I still am a member of Horizon. I know and like Judith (Proctor) and Neil (not likely to be mistaken for another Neil). Anyone else posting on this list I have spoken a couple of sentences to at most. I have no axe to grind, since Horizon never done me wrong in any way. I do remember the enormous impact that receiving that first issue of Horizon had on me when I subscribed all those years ago, and whatever the current state of the society I think it only fair to say that it (and Diane) deserve a heck of a lot of praise for keeping B7 fandom in the public eye over the decades. But please, keep the vituperation coming. It's actually got me considering writing a post analysing Cally's character and motivations on an episode-by-episode basis - anything to avoid another 50 posts describing the slight motion of Avon's ring finger as it pertains to his ambivalent emotional responses to Blake :) -- Russ Massey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:42:23 -0500 From: "Dana Shilling" To: "b7" Subject: [B7L] Re: RPG Female Fans Message-ID: <008e01bf9a5e$fe205b80$05ac4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An online game called Sissyfight 2000 (www.sissyfight.com) seems to have a certain relevance here. Two to five players can customize their avatars somewhat (they're all little girls in parochial school uniforms, no black leather options to date). Although the game includes a certain amount of hair-pulling and scratching, primary modes of play are typing insults into text bubbles and ganging up on one another. A player whose "self-esteem points" are reduced from 10 to 0 gets booted out of the game. Hmmm...so that's where Blake went during Series 3. -(Y) Re the Horizon video: possible effect of contact with Blake Witch, footage found two years later? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:33:38 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] A Commander's Lot Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII A Commander's Lot (to the tune of A Policeman's Lot by Mr. Gilbert and Mr. Sullivan) by Judith Proctor and Kathryn Andersen When an officer's not engaged in his employment - his employment Or maturing his felonious little plans - little plans His capacity for innocent enjoyment - 'cent enjoyment Is just the same as any other man's - other man's I dream about the man I'd like to smother - like to smother And whose arms and legs I'd really love to break - love to break He's a child-molesting bastard with no mother - with no mother And I really want to kill that bastard Blake - bastard Blake When there's Federation duty to be done - to be done A Commander's lot is *such* a happy one - happy one When I've spent the day a-massacring rebels - 'cring rebels And kicked the bleeding bodies on the floor - on the floor I like to go back home and feed my goldfish - feed my goldfish With minced-up pieces of the cat next door - cat next door. Then I like in bed at night asleep and dreaming - sleep and dreaming And I think I've caught Blake in a cunning trap - cunning trap But then I find that Servalan's a-scheming - 'lan's a-scheming And she's carefully fixed it so I take the rap - take the rap When there's Federation duty to be done - to be done A Commander's lot is such a risky one - risky one (inspired by watching Seek-Locate-Destroy) (typed by Kathryn, with Judith peering over shoulder making comments) (okay, making *snide* comments) (she said it, not me) K & J -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:17:09 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] credit cards Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The credit card facility for zine ordering is now operational on our website. Please note that we do not store card numbers on the site (in fact we never see the card number at all as that part of the transaction is handled via the card company). This means that although we can store your name and address between visits, you will have to input your card number each time. This is a security feature, so we hope you won't mind. You can choose which currency you want to be billed in. The options are UK pounds, Deutschmarks, US$, AUS$ and Euros. The prices are listed in these currencies. (If you live outside one of these currency areas, you can still place an order, but we cannot guarantee the exact amount that will be deducted from your card as we don't know what currency conversion rate your card company will use. With the above, currency conversion costs are already included and the rate is a good one.) We'll be integrating the ordering system into all the individual zine pages over the next few weeks to make everything easier to use. Judith (and Richard) PS. My apologies to anyone I owe mail to - typing is very painful at present. Kathryn's helping me with the filks . -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:01:18 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Volcano question Message-ID: <006c01bf9a7a$584b7110$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally: > Also PS - Power is too worse than Animals. So is Stardrive. Moloch and The > Keeper are better but far more hateable. (Errr...oh dear, Una, does this > make me an Animals fan???) Near as damn it, I'm afraid. Una ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:18:07 GMT From: "David Fielding" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Horizon (In Flames) Message-ID: <20000330191807.42839.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Neil Faulkner said >Then excuse *me*, Mr [insert real name here], but my flame was directed to >the two of you since you are both clearly acquainted with each other and >have both adopted the same negative approach to appraising the shortcomings >of Horizon. > >The matter is not worth pursuing if the two of you persist in doing so in >such a juvenile manner. Fuck off Neil, you complete hypocrite! You've been putting the well deserved boot into Horizon as much as anyone else. Now your lording it about as if your criticism is more valid than anyone else's. I've never met Mat, so don't just accuse people without any evidence. I bet you think you are Avon strutting up and down in your studded boots, with women falling at your feet... :) I think you sound more like Gan. Bye the way, take heed when you look through H39.5, I think the pages are coated with Pylene 50. David F. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:46:53 EST From: Prmolloy@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) Message-ID: <48.36cd80e.2615092d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trish: Trish wondered: > > > Otherwise shut up or fuck off. > > Neil > > > > Neil, will you marry me? > > Una responded: > Get in line, girl, or I'll tear your hair out ;) > > > Oh dear, I see another duel emerging. I suppose I have to throw the fishies from this side of the Atlantic and count on Paul Darrow physics for them to reach you... It's OK, I've got my penguins trained to pick them up for me. Una No penguins here alas, but I do have 16+ years of Catholic school behind me. BTW Una, I'm starting to see a correlation between these trained animals and your affection for *that* episode. What was it called? Trish ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:06:08 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Pat Patera as wardrobe mistress Message-ID: In message <20000330070952.90653.qmail@hotmail.com>, J MacQueen writes >Yeah, mine too - I'm a little young for heart attacks just yet. God help us >- a headpiece with blue violet plumes...of Showgirl Avon doing the cancan> Sounds horribly like something you'd find if you rummaged around in Leah and Annie's file of "things too way-out even for Bizarro". -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:08:52 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Message-ID: <00ed01bf9a2c$57db6da0$56a201d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ellynne G. >True, the >Federation may take CA's 'plague' seriously, since they wouldn't let >anyone off the ship and the planet may consequently be for lifers only. >Then again, the locals aren't sociable and there may have been other >reasons for not letting any of the crew off. If they'd believed in the >plague, they might have told the crew to take level 4 biohazard >precautions or something (although you can never tell with the >Federation). I might have forgotten something again, but I get the impression that the Captain didn't want to waste time on shore leave on CA because it was a dump. The Federation might not even know about the "plague", or even care. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:04:44 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (In Flames) Message-ID: <00ec01bf9a2c$56e749a0$56a201d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Fielding >Neil Faulkner said >>The matter is not worth pursuing if the two of you persist in doing so in >>such a juvenile manner. > >Fuck off Neil, you complete hypocrite! Your attitude say's it all David. Dear all. Please keep the word Horizon in the subject field for this. My first thought was correct. There is not, and will be no common ground on this subject, and if this is the level people will sink to in order to ram a point across then I'm not downloading any more of this stuff. Spam filter ON. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:40:05 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Message-ID: <00ef01bf9a2c$5a688120$56a201d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: mistral@ptinet.net > >New thought: while it's true that he's remarkable with computers, >it's also true that his hacking into the *banking* system may >have been less than expert; there are a great many different >specialities among computer professionals even now. > People seem to have a problem with Avon's range of talents (which is how this thread started). To whit Technical skills -------------------- Top flight computer technician (hardware AND software). robotic engineering Able to pick computer based locks. Grasp of physics required for teleportation. Assorted science Lateral and Logical thinking archaeologist / materials scientist electrician engineer mathematician Aware of the need for background research Military skills ------------------ Confident at using hand guns. encryption systems arms recognition acquaintances Close combat skills Strategist Personal skills ------------------- Leadership. taste for wearing black! Physical fitness Expert kisser Wit. master of stand up put downs gambler Space skills ---------------- Passable pilot skills Now, imagine a military state, where advanced weaponry and transportation systems are key to keeping ahead of the rebels / acquiring new territory. It is quite possible that a military research establishment existed, populated by military personnel who undergo basic training and refresher courses. In this environment you need to be a master of put downs, natural leaders emerge, people learn to suppress emotions. They gamble and philander, and like black leather uniforms. Now within this research establishment, there will be opportunities for a top computer scientist to be assigned to other projects, such as obtaining materials (field work involved) for a matter transport system (some aspects of which were subcontracted out to civil institutions, such as the one with Blake in it - its a big project). They might be transferred to robotic systems projects, and their main job might be for their team to design, construct and program advanced computer systems. Sound like somebody we know ? Whilst planning the bank fraud, clearly encryption and security systems are the sort of things that you would read up on. I think that covers it all. Avon was a Lieutenant in the military research establishment who teamed up with some other people to pull off a military coup, for which they needed lots of money. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:19:37 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon's skills Message-ID: <00ee01bf9a2c$58c4e340$56a201d5@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: mistral@ptinet.net >my >interpretation then and now is that his acquaintance with >Anna Grant imperilled her function as Bartholomew should >he remain on Earth in a position to run into her accidentally. >Her expertise would obviously be more valuable than his. You don't put you top top agent onto a meagre bank fraud. If you need to do that, you really are in trouble. So I think Anna (real name because of brothers actions), who reports to the Federation as Bartholomew, and lives a civil life as Sula either. 1) Already knew Avon before he got into the Fraud etc and "bagsied" an easy assignment. This explains why, on this mission, she has to use her real name. 2) Avon was into something bigger. The bank fraud was part of something. That's why Bartholomew was "running" Avon. To get at the other people involved. Not involved in the bank fraud, but the "grand plan". In this scenario, Avon is so immediately hostile to Blake because Avon's team was actually going to succeed, but Blake's outfit got wiped out and to make matters worse Blake got all the headlines. There was no way Avon would want to be associated with being one of Blakes crew, he wanted to run the revolution. But why does Anna use her real name in this scenario ? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:14:40 +0100 From: "Andy Hopkinson" To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L] Recent Discussion Message-ID: <000701bf9a9d$b9eb1ec0$f5e52ac2@andyrh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've kept quiet in the discussion about Horizon 39.5 because I obviously have biased feelings on the subject. Diane has had the courtesy to put the bare minimum of our dispute in the public forum and I'm going to respect that. I shall therefore be extremely brief. After producing issue 39, Alan and I went on to produce issue 40. The magazine although completed did not meet with Diane's approval. After it became clear that we were not going to reach a compromise agreement, Diane decided to start again from scratch. Diane has offered to make our correspondence privately available to anyone who wants to view it. Alan and I are happy to do the same. It has been said by several people on this list that if you don't like what Horizon do, you should try doing something else yourself. We are. Alan and I will be publishing a B7 magazine of our own. It's an experiment. We don't know if it will be a success so we're only trying one issue initially. If people like it, we'll do another. It's not a fan club. It's not intended to replace Horizon. We'll be happy to sell copies through Horizon, Avon, Judith Proctor or anyone else who is interested. Andy Hopkinson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:55:30 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Penguins again (was [B7L] Horizon (flame)) Message-ID: <20000330085530.13718.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Trish and Una: Speakaing of, I dreamt about that looovely picture Neil gave us of the penguin and crew in Kairos. Sad thing is, the plot made rather more sense (and after all, the penguin *is* cuter the entire cast except My Darling...and nearly as cute as him). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:55:19 +0100 From: Alison Page To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" Subject: [B7L] REM Message-ID: <21B0197931E1D211A26E0008C79F6C4AB0C4B1@BRAMLEY> Content-Type: text/plain I've been on a bit of a lyrics kick this week. REM lyrics work well in the songs, but frankly look rubbish when you write them down. But have you ever heard 'losing my religion'? Mr Stipe is perhaps a B7 fan (she wildly speculated) ---------------- Like a hurt lost and blinded fool Oh no I've said too much 'I set it up' Consider this The slip that bought me to my knees Failed I said too much I didn't say enough I thought I heard you laughing I think I thought I saw you try But that was just a dream Just a dream ----------------- Alright, I admit this is probably the Rorschach effect, but it keeps me amused Alison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:10:19 GMT From: "Mat Shayde" To: N.Faulkner@tesco.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) Message-ID: <20000330101019.6680.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Neil Faulkner" >To: "b7" >Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon (flame) >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:27:21 +0100 > >Mat wrote: > > Excuse me Mr Faulkner - I have never accused Diva of being Diane. I >don't > > care who he/she/it is and respect her right to use a pseudonym as much >as >I > > wopuld hope she resepcts mine. > >Then excuse *me*, Mr [insert real name here], but my flame was directed to >the two of you since you are both clearly acquainted with each other Nope,I've never met him, I have no idea who he is and until last week I had never even heard of him. Sorry. and >have both adopted the same negative approach to appraising the shortcomings >of Horizon. > >The matter is not worth pursuing if the two of you persist in doing so in >such a juvenile manner. > >Neil There are a great many people on this list who have a negative attitdue ro the shortcomings of Horizon, yourself included. I haven't said anything in my posts that hasn't been substantiated by what you have said in yours. I have no wish to argue with you Neil as you come across as being intelligent and reasonable, however I feel that maybe you ought to re-read some of my posts before accusing me of being juvenile. I haven't made any personal comments about Diane apart from saying that she seems to want to run Horizon as her personal kingdom, (and a flippant comment about her taking her title of Supreme Commander a little too seriously.) a fact which you yourself have commented (and indeed elaborated) upon. I have made no reference to her health issues, I *haven't* accused Diva of being Diane (or of being Sharon Eckman) nor have I accused Diane of hiding here under another pseudonym. Nor have I indulged in any personal attacks against other posters. (except for my understandable anger at Judith Rolls' abuse of her possition as an ex committee member, a fact that several other people have commented upon.) I have made some sarcastic comments about the way that Horizon is run, the cliquey-ness, the lack of democracy/freedom of speech and the lateness of the newsletters - all issues that you have raised yourself. Nor are you adverse to the occasional bit of sarcasm. I understand that tempers are getting a bit frayed, however I do resent being dismissed as juvenile in a discussion about important issues which have a serious impact on all of Blake's 7 fandom. As I said in one of my earlier posts, I take no pleasure in this, I was once proud and happy to be a member of Horizon, however I feel that it has seriously lost it's way and no longer provides a healthy, stable and inclusive fan environment. Dorian - "You mean you're here by choice?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:13:05 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Contributor's Motivations (was Horizon discussion) Message-ID: <9c.291c223.26157fd1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/00 11:33:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, patpatera@netzero.net writes: << And I know I don't *have* to scan all those Horizon posts, but it's rather like driving past a grisly auto accident; one feels compelled to look... >> So true. << However, it is interesting to see some of the lurkers crawl out and post. >> So, what is it about mudslinging that inspires lurkers to drop the shields, when less heated discussions don't? Seriously - I'm curious about this. What sort of things make you want to respond to a discussion, or stay quiet? Personally, I tend to gawk at stuff like the Horizon thread without responding to it per se. OTOH, most other discussions I react to as extended conversations -- sometimes they evoke smart-alecky, brief responses and at other times a carefully thought-out paragraph or two. I *do* appreciate the restraint on this list toward minimalist "me too" responses, and I'm frequently in awe of the lengthy, considered debates that many folks on this list contribute to. So how about it? If you're not a frequent (or even occasional) poster, what's the reason? Let's hear some more words from the lurkers! Nina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:13:02 EST From: Pherber@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-ID: <77.2988a63.26157fce@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/00 7:46:08 AM Mountain Standard Time, russ@wriding.demon.co.uk writes: << But please, keep the vituperation coming. It's actually got me considering writing a post analysing Cally's character and motivations on an episode-by-episode basis >> You mean she has some? I hadn't really noticed. With all those other people moving in and out of her head, seems hard to say what's *her* and what's not. <<- anything to avoid another 50 posts describing the slight motion of Avon's ring finger as it pertains to his ambivalent emotional responses to Blake :) >> Oh dear, have we been rambling on about Snarly again? Don't sugar-coat it, Russ, tell us how you really feel! Nina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:05:27 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame)) Message-ID: <001c01bf9adb$0aaeb3c0$e535fea9@neilfaulkner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mat Having found the time to reread all your posts on the subject of Horizon I can only concede that I've been every bit as mistaken as you assert.. Your own comments on the management and efficiency of Horizon, and your remarks directly concerning Diane Gies, do not warrant such descriptions as 'juvenile' or 'infantile', nor did they ever descend to a level of personal abuse inappropriate to the subject. The way your posts were interspersed with those of 'David Fielding' led to some of the tone of his rantings infecting my perception of your own posts. There is, however, no excuse for that. Quite why I came to believe that you and 'David' were acting in tandem I cannot, in retrospect, even begin to fathom. I can trace no evidence for such a collusion and fully retract my insinuation that such existed. In short, re your comments on Diane Gies and the Horizon club, I owe you an apology, which I unreservedly offer. Which is not necessarily to say that I agree with everything you said on the subject, but I can find no grounds for my criticism of the way you said it. That includes my exhortation to "shut up or fuck off", insofar as it was directed at you personally. Vis a vis 'David Fielding' it still stands, and he seems to have done one or the other or both. There is no reason for you to do either, nor would I wish you to. Neil "I am not a man, I am a free number." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:31:27 PST From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon discussion Message-ID: <20000331063127.5116.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Russ wrote: <- anything to avoid another 50 posts describing the slight motion of Avon's ring finger as it pertains to his ambivalent emotional responses to Blake :)> but Russ, we can't stop now, we've only done Avon's *left* ring finger... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:13:06 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "b7" Subject: Re: [B7L] Apology (was Horizon (flame)) Message-ID: <019e01bf9aeb$96d00330$0d01a8c0@codex> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil wrote: > Mat > In short, re your comments on Diane Gies and the Horizon club, I owe you an > apology, which I unreservedly offer. Which is not necessarily to say that I > agree with everything you said on the subject, but I can find no grounds for > my criticism of the way you said it. Bravo, Neil. Here, have some extra fish. Una -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #91 *************************************