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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 79
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter
Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals
[B7L] Space Fall question
Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS
[B7L] Avon's Skills (was Lost in Cyberspace)
[B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder
Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter
Re: [B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder
[B7L] Our flippered friends are everywhere (was Shakespeare Squash Ladder)
Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS
[B7L] Re: Cast Swap
[B7L] Re: Guest Stars
[B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon
[B7L] Re: Animals
[B7L] Re: First Impressions: The Web
[B7L] Re: Guest Characters
[B7L] Re: Prisoner
[B7L] Re: Guest Appearances
[B7L] Re: Mary Poppins/Avon
[B7L] Re: Avon Drool
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #77
Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
[B7L] Starting to work through the backlog
Re: [B7L] Avon drool
Re: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon
Re: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon
[B7L] B7 as companions
[B7L] List etiquette
Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
[B7L] Cally & Avon (was "The Web")
Re: [B7L] Mary Poppins on the Liberator
[B7L] speaking of costumes
[B7L] Blues
[B7L] First Impressions "The Web"
[B7L] Avon drool
[B7L] Animals
[B7L] Re: Cast Swap
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:36:52 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter
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Ellynne wrote:
> Interesting thought. I've never gotten into Aliens, but I've always
> wondered about them as a _naturally_ occuring species. Animals that
> reproduce that rapidly generally have high mortality rates, raising
> questions about their natural environment (whether it was very unpleasant
> or had other factors limiting their reproduction) and whether the Aliens
> didn't have nasty predators of their own to deal with on their homeworld.
I was talking specifically about the 'alien' in my story, not those in the
films. They don't make much ecological sense, though, since as parasites
they ought to be restricted to the prey species they evolved to parasitise.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:32:46 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] RPG Female Fans
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Calle wrote:
> Cool! You know, I think this is the first time I've heard of anyone
> actually _using_ that game.
I've used it! Back in the days when I was still role-gaming (haven't rolled
a die for more than three years now <sniff>) I badgered my fellow gamers
into giving it a go. They weren't too impressed. I did a lot of tinkering
with the rules (like devising an easy character generation system that
wasn't miserly with skills), but it wasn't long before we decided to pack it
in as a bad job and converted all the characters to my own system.
> What sort of people were the PCs? Did characters from the series show
> up and if so, who? Did they all die in the end? :-)
Okay, you were asking Dorian rather than me, but we used PGP survivors
(Avon, Vila and Soolin, since there were only four of us. As GM I could
have taken on Tarrant and Dayna but decided Orac and Servalan were more than
enough to keep me tearing my hair out. It wasn't entirely successful - Vila
was far too violent and lippy, even when captured (at one point I had the
troopers drag him outside, then said "They beat you up. Lose half your hit
points." Which caused Big Dave to drop his jaw satisfyingly. He later
rolled up an original character more in tune with his style of play, only to
get his head blown off by a mutoid.)
I've also run B7 using a modified version of the Star Wars RPG. It worked
reasonably well, but then SW is a pretty slick system.
A B7 PBeM as proposed by Julia Dragonfly sounds interesting. More details,
please?
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:11:22 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals
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Susie Wright wrote:
>Avon didn't make an impression on me (and others) right
>away. He had to grow on you when you weren't looking and then suddenly
>- hey, who's THAT guy?
I'm the odd one out, then. I started noticing him straight away, in his
first scenes in Space Fall when he's looking at that living quarters door
being opened and releasing his safety belt. Before that I'd been focussing
on and sympathising with Blake, but at the moment of Avon's next scene (that
foul look after Raiker hit Jenna) my allegiance shifted fast and firmly.
And he'd not yet spoken one word! :-)
Like Ariana I don't find him handsome <grin> although I do love those brown
eyes and long lashes. :-) And he's proof that a man doesn't need to be
handsome to be attractive. Just MHO of course.
Marian
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:42:22 +0100
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Space Fall question
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Can anyone tell me if Jenna's mother and Avon's brother in that
hallucination scene are actually played by Sally Knyvette and Paul Darrow?
Marian
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:54:24 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS
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In message <20000321141200.45886.qmail@hotmail.com>, Mat Shayde
<dorian17@hotmail.com> writes
>Well, those are my thoughts. Ideas anyone?
Looks good.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:55:29 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon's Skills (was Lost in Cyberspace)
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>> ><< I've often wondered about Avon's well-roundedness
>> > (training-educationwise, that is). It seems a little beyond what
>> anyone
>> > could possibly accomplish. >>
>> >
>> >Combined hardware/software skills are kind of rare, but not
>> nonexistent --
>>
>> >Nina
>>
>> Hear hear.
>>
>> Lots of great people have been skilled in more than one discipline.
>> Some of
>> them even switch fields, and get Nobel prizes for their new work. As
>> Nina
>> say's - Rare, but not non-existent.
>>
>Yes, but, as the resident "smart guy," Avon seemed to constantly to know
>everything about everything (with occassional, minor exceptions, usually
>when it was Blake's turn to do plot exposition
OK lets explore this one. Apart from his well vaunted Pavlovian skills wrt
f-B7-fans, what ARE Avon's skills (as demonstrated by the series).
I'll start the list, but please feel free to add. When it's done, we can
see if anybody can justify his god like stature.
Top flight computer technician (hardware AND software).
Confident at using hand guns.
Aware of the need for background research.
Able to pick computer based locks.
Leadership.
Passable pilot skills (but didn't think to land the shuttle)
Grasp of physics required for teleportation.
Any more ......
Andrew
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:56:59 -0500
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder
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I was pursuing my other fandom (Shakespeare) last night, by going to a
staged reading of "Measure for Measure." The reading was held at a theater
bookstore, and I was flipping through "Blake's 7 The Inside Story" (their
apostrophe, not mine) before the reading started. One of the actresses said,
"Oh, Blake's 7! I watched that when I was twelve years old! I had such a
crush on Avon!" We had a nice talk about fandom on the Web, so who knows,
she may turn up here. They also had a copy of Henry Jenkins' "Textual
Poachers" (the book that created my interest in B7)--and for $2.17.
Angelo in Measure for Measure is described as one "who scarce confesses that
his blood flows, or that his appetite is more to bread than to stone."
Which all led me to wonder about a Shakespeare Squash Ladder. Only 39 eps,
of course, and no clear Series divisions. I'm sure Una's would go:
Henry VI Part III
Hamlet
...
-(Y)
(who naturally prefers plays about sarky depressive blokes who have a
negative impact on the life expectancy of those around them...)
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:13:02 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Commiseration/Hunter
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>Ellynne wrote:
>
>> Interesting thought. I've never gotten into Aliens, but I've always
>> wondered about them as a _naturally_ occuring species.
I think in the original story (was that by Alan Dean Foster?) the 'Aliens'
were a genetically manufactured species, created as a weapon
Alison
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:41:04 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Shakespeare Squash Ladder
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From: Dana Shilling <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
> Which all led me to wonder about a Shakespeare Squash Ladder. Only 39 eps,
> of course, and no clear Series divisions. I'm sure Una's would go:
>
> Henry VI Part III
> Hamlet
?!? Unfortunately, my knowledge of Shakespeare is rather worse than my
knowledge of, say, types of New Zealand penguin, so I'm completely clueless
as to the content of the first one there. I think I may have come across the
second one, tho'... :)
As an aside, the paranoid on this list may be concerned to learn of the
increasing influence of the flippered ones on public service broadcasting in
this country - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/
Una
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:05:34 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Our flippered friends are everywhere (was Shakespeare Squash Ladder)
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>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
>As an aside, the paranoid on this list may be concerned to learn of the
>increasing influence of the flippered ones on public service broadcasting
>in
>this country - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/
Here too - the local version of Animal Hospital is going to Phillip Island
this week. Fairy penguins: whatever next?
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:00:18 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Fall question
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:42:22PM +0100, Marian de Haan wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if Jenna's mother and Avon's brother in that
> hallucination scene are actually played by Sally Knyvette and Paul Darrow?
I don't know about Jenna's mother, but Avon's brother was definitely
played by someone else - I did a freeze-frame of him once, in order
to do an illo of said brother. Brother has blond hair, but they do
share a similarly aquiline nose.
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:56:33 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Resident Smart Guy
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:59:51PM +0100, Marian de Haan wrote:
>
> >>From Ellynne: "Yes, but, as the resident "smart guy," Avon seemed to
> >constantly to know everything about everything (with occassional, minor
> >exceptions, usually when it was Blake's turn to do plot exposition)."
>
> Maybe he's done a lot of job rotation to gain all that knowledge? I can see
> every boss he's ever worked for warmly encouraging him to apply elsewhere,
> willingly providing him with a praising reference. :-)
LOL!
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Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:08:51 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 Characters in the TARDIS
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On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 02:12:00PM +0000, Mat Shayde wrote:
>
> Can anyone suggest anywhere for Gan and Dayna?
This is fun game...
Dayna I think would go well wth either th 4th Doctor or the 7th
Doctor - if he can cope with Leela and Ace, he can cope with Dayna.
Gan... Gan... maybe the 3rd Doctor.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:28:11 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Cast Swap
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I like your casting, Sally, although I had to look up a couple of names
because I didn't remember who they were! I love Paul Daneman too and
can easily see him as an older Blake. Funny that you chose Bek for Vila
because when I saw Karl Howman in "Mulberry," he reminded me a lot of
Michael Keating and later I discovered Howman was in B7 as Bek and
thought, wow - he looks so different.
I cannot remember Rai, Provine and Alta Morag from your first pick
list. Even looking up the actors didn't help. Yes and wink wink on
picking Second Mutoid for Soolin... I imagine Rai is one of Cally's
prisoners on Centero? Provine was on Albian, but I'm not getting a face
to go with the name. I draw a total blank for Alta Morag.
Verlis (Betty Marsden) is a funky choice for Jenna (and I mean that as a
compliment). Why not have an older, experienced member of the crew?
Kasabi (Jane Sherwin) is one of my favorite guest characters and I like
her as Cally. After her first episode, it was easy to forget that Cally
was supposed to have guerilla experience.
Ushton (John Abineri) is an unusual choice for Gan, but that makes it
more interesting. Being a big hulk of a man is part of the character
description, but a smaller man who killed a Federation officer in a
crime of passion who now has a limiter makes you wonder about his
strength (not that smaller men aren't physically powerful). Or is it
that Abineri isn't as small as he appeared on tv?
Jarvik (Andrew Burt) would be fun anyway but certainly the right "type"
for Tarrant.
Tyce (Carinthia West) has the edge and bite Dayna never quite expressed.
Sara (Beth Morris) wasn't as cold as Soolin, but an interesting choice
anyway. I'd consider Sasha Mitchell (Arlen in "Blake"). And possibly
Julia Vidler (Avalon in "Project Avalon" and Barr in "Powerplay").
I imagine your second stringers would almost push Avon over the edge.
Who needs the Federation on your back when you've got annoying
shipmates?
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:58:09 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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I don't know why but when I see the name "Carnell" I think of the actor
who played "Coser" and that is so bizarre. Yet, I draw a blank on
Carnell (Scott Fredericks) even though I know he's the psycho-strategist
from "Weapon." I know the character of Carnell has shown up in fanfic
too.
I loved Raiker and was sorely disappointed when he was killed off and we
never saw the London again. (except as a special effect in oft repeated
stock footage...) It would be fun to see what would happen if Raiker
survived and caught up with the Liberator crew later on and exacted some
revenge.
Some of the other guest characters I like are Tyce (Bounty), Ro
(Horizon), Kasabi & Veron (Pressure Point), Dr. Bellfriar & Tynus
(Killer), Molok (Hostage), Chenie (Gambit), Dorian (Rescue), Pella, Kate
& Gun-Sar (Power), Pinder (Orbit), and Arlen (Blake). For most, it's
because of a sense of character history that would be interesting to
explore. Perhaps some has already been explored in fanfic.
Susie
p.s. My daughter just requested a "Blue's Clues" tape and I thought...
what if Blue and Steve skidooed onto the Liberator? I'd like to see how
the Liberator would be represented in BC animation. I'm sure they would
not receive a warm welcome unless Vila and Cally were willing to sing
some songs about running from the Federation. Oh, I guess I should say
Kevin for the UK gang since the BBC version of "Blue's Clues" has a guy
named Kevin who kinda reminds me of Craig Charles.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:04:18 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From Ellynne: "Avon [just walking onto the bridge and seeing her for the
first time. Stops, freezes, look of absolute horror written across his
face]: Nannie?"
Yikes! So, could a perfect nanny account for Avon's character quirks?
I see Avon finding a way to dispose of her and when asked later, say,
"who?" Of course he'd be irritated by Vila's singing, "A spoonful of
soma makes the medicine go down, the medicine go down, the medicine go
down..."
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:16:32 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
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>From Ellynne: "And, so long as I'm dreaming, Cally would have survived
to the main character instead of Dayna. Hence, Avon would have been her
old boyfriend. Neither one of them would have fallen for Servalan's
trap (assuming she showed up, since there would be no genetic
experiments for her to steal). I'm sure there would have been some
crisis, but it would have just been an excuse to bring a little action
and suspense in as Cally tried to convince Avon to join them and Avon
tried to convince Cally to dump the revolution and stay with him (all in
a strictly, family viewing appropriate way, of course)...."
If you care to write a non-family friendly version, I'd be interested to
read it... although I suppose it'd have to go on the other list.
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:23:54 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From Ellynne:
GAN: Avon says that's because she's an alien.
VILA: Everyone's an alien to him.
"Just have to add, I'm dying to know what the context of Gan's Avon
quote is."
I think Gan's comment is more in the vein that Avon's anti-social
quality makes everyone an alien because he doesn't relate well to
anyone, human or otherwise. This comment is similar to the frequent
references to Avon as a machine or being more in touch with computers
than people.
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:44:53 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From Julia J: "One of the strengths of B7 is how well they used the
guest parts. For the most part they're real people, not cardboard
cutouts as scenery for the regulars to play against. Bercol and Rontane
seem to be very popular with Freedom City members, even though they have
only a few lines in two episodes."
I drew a blank on these guys too - I looked them up and found them under
"Seek-Locate-Destroy" and "Trial" and am surprised I can't remember who
they are. But then, it's been years since I've seen some of these
episodes. "Bercol and Rontane" almost sounds like a comedy team.
I agree about the quality of the guest characters - many were as
compelling or more so than the regulars.
In my poking around The Programme Guide, I notice that "Sarcophagus" is
the only episode with no guest characters.
And aren't we glad Paul saw the scripts and decided that "Avon" was the
more interesting part to play? I'd read about that in some little
booklet thing Paul wrote. Besides the two Dr Who episodes, I've only
seen Paul in that Robin Hood silliness so I've not seen him play a
(typical) good guy. (Hawkins was a good guy, but not the lead.) He
could've made a compelling Blake but obviously, his take on the
character would've been very different. For that matter, I've only seen
Gareth in Merlin and so only know him as a good guy. I bet he'd be a
great villain.
As for the other regulars, I've seen Josette gueting on "Thompson,"
Jacqueline on "Dr. Who," and Sally guesting as a judge and Brian playing
Ted Hills on "EastEnders." I imagine most of them do more theatre than
tv or film so there aren't so many opportunities to see their other work
unless it comes out on video.
The rumor mill is rather quiet about the B7 movie. I hope it hasn't
been scrapped. I wonder if there will be more radio plays to come.
I've enjoyed the first two very much, although I think the "Sevenfold
Crown" was a stronger story. Avon suffers beautifully at the beginning
too, an added bonus for us Avon fans.
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:47:05 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Prisoner
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>From Andrew: "Do ALL B7 fans also follow The Prisoner ?"
I wasn't interested in "The Prisoner" when it was running for eons, but
now I'd be curious about it. Wasn't it a book first?
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:06:13 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Guest Appearances
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I didn't put Meegat (Susan Farmer) on my list, but I liked her too,
Helen. She was a rare innocent pearl in that crazy universe.
As I'm reviewing my Guide, I am drawing blanks not only on certain
guests but also complete episodes. Thankfully, the synopses are putting
images back into my brain. Geez, it has been a few years. I enjoy
episode discussions because it prompts "oh yeah" memories for me.
Some episodes would make great pilots for spin-off series, and yet
that's where some fanfic has come in to hypothesize about what happened
to these other characters. So that's another strength of B7 - you want
to know what happens next in these side stories.
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:11:49 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
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>From Nina: "Why do I suspect she'd be *very* cross with him?"
Would an exploration of "cross" belong on the other list? Oh, it's not
the Mary Poppins we all know.... Hmm... what else is in her bag of
tricks?
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:24:57 -0800
From: Susie Wright <piscescat@home.com>
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>From Ariana: "Avon is too tense and aggressive to play the romantic lead
in my eyes. I also don't find him particularly good-looking (time to don
the asbestos suit, no doubt ;). However, I do like characters with a
good sense of sarcasm; Q and Dukat were my ST favourites,..."
A man doesn't have to be good-looking to be sexy. I find both Q (John
de Lancie) and Dukat (Mark Alaimo) sexy (in character). I was never one
for the mainstream guys. Sexiness can be due to many factors such as
attitude, intelligence, voice, tight leather pants... Pretty boys ofen
lack substance and thus are boring.
I met John de Lancie at I-CON (Long Island) about 10 years ago. He's a
wonderful story-teller and he doesn't need a microphone to be heard in
the rafters.
Susie
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:23:04 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Una McCormack wrote:
>A 'hoiho' is a type of New Zealand penguin. Hence my belief
>that only myself, Neil, and Nicola would groan at that one.
And those of us who regarded the word with suspicion, and promptly went and
looked it up.
- Lisa
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:26:06 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Ellynne G. wrote:
>Not that it would have stopped her from raising Cally. Hmm, she _was_
>the only one showing a significant interest in music
How does that connect her with Mary Poppins, or did I miss a sequitur in
there somewhere?
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:14:13 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Starting to work through the backlog
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[Several days backlog awaiting me on my return from Bilbao - incidentally
and irrelevantly, I hadn't realised the Basque name for the city is Bilbo -
I *think* this was all Lysator not FC, but may have misplaced the odd one]
Joanne asked:
>How did I mistake Julia for Harriet?
Maybe the shoulder-sort-of-length brown hair?
Actually, I like Jo Grant. Perhaps she could marry Jarriere.
Alison wondered:
>I was wondering if we think of ourselves, our 'being' (hope this
> isn't too transcendental) as gendered. I'm not sure that I do.
I remember that, while I was at university, whenever I counted the number
of males/females present in a group (can't now think why I had to do this)
I got it wrong because I counted myself in the male section. Think I've
got used to being female now, but maybe I just needed another 20 years to
sort it out.
Marian suggested about Tarrant:
>Maybe we should not say anything about him at all
My god, you really are a woman after my own heart...
Andrew referred back to his:
>> .......For example I once asked if somebody
>> could explain what all the TLA's mean. ......
I was too busy trying to remember what TLA was myself...
Er, we seem to be getting a lot of unnecessary regurgitation of earlier
messages again, I hope someone's reminded the youngsters we aren't keen on
that sort of extended quotation here?
Neil replied to Dana:
>> Think about it. What do we call people who are clever, arrogant,
>>highly verbal, precise to the point of pedantry, NEVER stop arguing,
>> have lots of black suits
>
>I suspect some people would be tempted to call them Neil.
My jaw is dropping... how many black suits do you have?
Calle alleged that Vila couldn't play soccer because:
>Soccer involves *running*.
I thought continentals didn't bother with that bit?
Sally asked me:
>'Jarriere's 7' has a certain ring, doesn't it, Harriet?
Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow...
But why haven't you mentioned Harry Jones in the "guest stars with enormous
impact" thread yet?
Calle later said:
>I think that 25k is a reasonable upper limit.
>What do you people out there think?
Anything encouraging concision is to be applauded. Especially if it weeds
out the html rubbish.
I really liked Rob's Ali G thing.
Harriet
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:12:00 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> For the moment, Avon is too tense and aggressive to play the romantic lead
> in my eyes. I also don't find him particularly good-looking (time to don the
> asbestos suit, no doubt ;)
Agreed, in a technical sense. Actually, in a technical sense, I think
the Travises are probably the most conventionally good looking of the
men making frequent appearences. Avon's got hooded eyes, a profile
designed perhaps for coins but not fashion magazines, and a horrid
hairstyle in season 1. However, he has Presence, and a voice that can be
silk or steel, depending on how he uses it. So good looks are only one
factor, and not necessarily the most important.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:15:15 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Ali G Interviews Kerr Avon
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I'm picturing Kathie Lee trying to interview Avon. At first, as she
gushes over him, he thinks "I didn't know Meeghat had a sister."
After a while, he gets irritated by her vapidity and offers to show her
how the teleport works, deliberately messing up the settings as part of
a scientific experiment to see which vacuum is actually more devoid of
content-- the vacuum of space, or of her skull.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:28:36 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Mat asked:
> Can anyone suggest anywhere for Gan and Dayna?
Dayna would work well with the 4th Doctor. After handling Leela, this
other warrior woman (this one at least used to civilization) wouldn't be
difficult, and she'd enjoy having someone to look up to. Although they
would, of course, have differences of opinion on acceptable force. The
7th doctor would also work well with her.
Gan-- the 2nd Doctor would probably work best with him. (Although he'd
suffer more of the unjustified Gan-abuse the poor fellow puts up with
thanks to not being put through high-level education). The 2nd Doctor
seemed to know how to direct his companions to make good use of their
personal strengths and enable them to grow as people (based on the
limited amount I've seen of him).
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:35:54 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> While we're on the subject of postings, isn't it a bit pointless to cc a
> Lyst post to an individual subscriber? I had a couple of those in my inbox
> this morning.
>
> Neil
Pointless, and worse than pointless! Since I'm on the digest, I get the
copy sent to me first. I read it, and usually respond. Then, a while
later, I get the Lyst. And lo and behold, it wasn't sent only to me
personally. Now, I have to decide whether to write a seperate reply
(trying to keep it pretty much in line with my earlier response, as best
as I can remember) or ignore it? I enjoy getting off list comments, but
I find it awkward assuming something is off-list (yes, I suppose I could
read the header to find out every time, but I don't) and then discover
it wasn't.
However, if anyone wishes to sing my praises, I don't mind reading it
twice. ;^)
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:51:44 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:00:19 -0800 mistral@ptinet.net writes:
>I'd say that learning an instrument, singing, and
> presumably writing that song shows more 'significant'
> interest in music than listening to it on a Walkman.
True enough. Dayna's composition didn't do much for me, but no doubt
music has changed in a thousand years (I've always had trouble
appreciating most non-Western Civ stuff, those different scales, etc.).
Maybe, if I were familiar with the musical style she was using, I'd
appreciate it more. OTOH, let's give Cally a few points. As far as we
know, she's the only one with any kind of equipment for listening to any
kind of music at all that she doesn't play herself. That's got to count
for something.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:18:22 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> In an interview, Paul said that Jenna was supposed to spout a lot of
> the
> technobabble but Sally had trouble so they'd give the lines to Paul.
> Would've been a different B7, perhaps, if Jenna got to show more
> techie
> experience. She was the pilot, after all!
>
Ah-hah. It did seem strange, the way Blake got to tell Jenna about space
flight history. It would have been nice if she'd at least rolled her
eyes in a sort of, "Here-he-goes-again- hasn't-he-noticed-I'm-a-pilot?"
look.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:55:31 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:04:50 -0800 mistral@ptinet.net writes:
> Sorry,
> but I think you're jumping through hoops to make Avon and Cally's
> relationship more comfortable than it is.
Yes. And your point is ...?
This was mostly light hearted fun, but it started when I was toying with
a story idea and I had Cally make a comment Gan's quote of Avon
contradicted. I thought I had a problem till I realized this was
_hearsay_. Gan's could either have misunderstood or be using it in a
context where the original meaning was unclear to others (whew). Then, I
started wondering what he might have _really_ said. While this wasn't
the most likely scenario, it was one of the more fun ones.
Avon rags on Cally about
> being an alien for three seasons
But mostly from a cultural prejudice, not a species/ethnic one. That is,
he rags on things she does and beliefs and values she has, along with the
beliefs, values, and actions (or the inaction) of her people. You don't
generally hear him condemning them simply because they're not human and
presupposed to be inferior. Also, part of his ragging seems based on a
belief she could or should change - contradicting the idea he sees her as
inherently different.
Hmm, I'm getting pretty serious for what started out as a bit of whimsy.
Just to keep going, I have to admit I see this in terms that would make
any relationship between them more prickly, not less. Whatever
prejudices might be behind his believing it, if Avon saw Cally's
differences as inherent and unchangeable, I think he's rational enough
_not_ to get on her case about them as much as he does. He might even
develop a tolerance for them. Or he'd realize this was a problem nothing
could change, keep his distance, and move on.
So, if I were to create a serious alternative for what Gan said Avon
said, I'd guess it _was_ a negative comment. At this point, Avon wasn't
interested per se (and I know some argue he never was or would be).
However, he was both curious about what made her tick (the way he might
be about any new factor impacting his survival) and irritated at not yet
knowing the answers.
OTOH, (please imagine imitation of really annoying kindergarten type
sing-song) I think he LIKES her.
Oh, all right, I think he COULD like her. Someday. With a bit of work.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:43:40 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:26:06 -0600 Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net> writes:
> >Not that it would have stopped her from raising Cally. Hmm, she
> _was_
> >the only one showing a significant interest in music
>
> How does that connect her with Mary Poppins, or did I miss a
> sequitur in
> there somewhere?
> --
The Disney version, "Spoon Full of Sugar," "Chim-Chim-Cheree," etc. At
any rate, it's less difficult to imagine Cally enjoying a musical number
than Avon or Blake. The book version Mary Poppins, I admit, was
sometimes a bit spookier (she took the kids to meet a lady who broke off
her own fingers and gave them to the children to eat [they were made of
gingerbread, but it still gave me the creeps as a kid. She also said she
sometimes ate them herself. Shades of the Donner Party] and other,
weirder outings). If you're thinking of her, I can understand the
confusion.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:41:07 -0600
From: "huh" <huh@ccm.net>
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Subject: [B7L] speaking of costumes
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The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:56:50 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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A Grammy Award to Mistral for the Ultramarine Blues:
>...The room was full of snarls and leather, aggression, soma, curly hair...
<chortle snort> Bravo!
Is anyone collecting these bluesy ballads to *humble begging* record on
a filk tape? Any musicians on this list? It's about time we had a new B7
filk tape *hint hint*
Or as a page on a web site? Perhaps with blue tinted photos of the crew?
If no one else is doing this, perhaps I will?
And now let's hear more of: dem lowdown Liberator blues
<toots kazoo to set pitch>
There is a place in outer space
They call the Big System
An it's been the ruin of many a poor ship
An Lawd, I fear Zen's one.
My muuuuther was a baker
Made a cake for dad
To try and bust him out of jail
But the file was found; too bad.
Now the only thing a ship's thief needs
Is a toolkit and a bunk
An the only time that he's satisfied
Is when he's on a drunk.
There is a place in Sector Twelve
They call The Tharn's Kingdom
An it's been the ruin of many a poor ship
An Lawd, I fear Zen's one...
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:12:49 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Ariana wrote:
>It's also a great pity that the very first
>thing we see Cally do after her engaging entrance last week is get
>possessed. So much for the capable warrior.
Get used to it. *sigh*
Pat
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:34:58 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Avon drool
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Ariana wrote:
>For the moment, Avon is too tense and aggressive to play the romantic lead
>in my eyes. I also don't find him particularly good-looking
I watched the entire series and never saw anything enticing about Avon.
Blake was my man. Then I started reading fanfic: and my eyes were opened
to a whole new reality. I was thoroughly brainwashed by dozens of zines.
Upon second viewing of the series, I was all aslime in Avon drool.
Blake? That mind-wiped manipulative bastard!
So no, Ariana, it's not you: Avon starts out as an acid mouthed spoiled
brat. But then we enter the era of black leather and studs - the change
can only be compared to a snotty 15 year old boy who matures into dark,
brooding young Marlon Brando.
drooling beautifully, patp
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:41:33 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
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Susie wrote:
A list of character swaps: most interesting. Blake as Jerriere:
intriguing! And Blake as Jarvik. yum. How about Blake, Gan and Tarrant
charging about as Hommicks?
I'd imagine:
Servalan = Soolin sharpshooter
Dayna = Avalon, rebel leader
Cally = Meegat, temple virgin
Soolin = Tyce Sarkoff
Jenna = Cancer (Piri & Assasin)
Avon = Carnell of course
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Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:35:41 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Susie wrote:
<I cannot remember Rai, Provine and Alta Morag from your first pick list.
Even looking up the actors didn't help. Yes and wink wink on picking Second
Mutoid for Soolin...I imagine Rai is one of Cally's prisoners on Centero?
Provine was on Albian, but I'm not getting a face to go with the name. I
draw a total blank for Alta Morag.>
Rai is Servalan's pretty toyboy in SLD, who demurs at Travis' appointment on
moral grounds. In some ways, I see him, Samor and Jarvik as 'good Nazis'
(heavy emphasis on the sarcasm here) - men who think of themselves as
morally upright, even as they serve an immoral cause - and had Tarrant
stayed in the FSA I can see him going the same route.
Provine was indeed on Albian, he was the officer Blake was after for info on
the location of Star One.. And Alta Morag was the bulldoggish woman who
instigated the false charges against Blake. I just find her way more
interesting than Servalan (mind you, this is *not* difficult.)
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