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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 62
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] Shots fired
Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
Re: [B7L] Introduction
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
[B7L] Time Squad
Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
Re: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
Re: [B7L] Re: Altazine & Boomers
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
[B7L] Episode Reviews
RE: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
[B7L] Re: Liberator Model
[B7L]
[B7L] Re: b7spin: FW: b7spin: Re: Brimstone
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:29:17 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: AWilliams@daikin.com.au, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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>>Andrew wrote:
>>Either that or PD is trying to get rid of -another- broken prop....
Trish responded:
>I hate to disagree with Andrew (I promise this will be the only time) but
>Darrow admitted in the BBC interview last year that he had a bad habit of
>breaking the guns, so much so that they had to build him a special gun
Andrew replied:
Actually you are agreeing with me - that's what I meant by "another broken
prop". And you forgot the end of the story - the special gun got stolen!
Well they wouldn't have been broken if PD didn't keep breaking them - this is
a chicken and egg thing, is it not?
Do you think the BBC docked Darrow everytime he broke another prop? That
could have been a costly habit!
Trish
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:16:47 EST
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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In a message dated 3/6/00 10:29:39 PM Central Standard Time, Prmolloy@aol.com
writes:
<< I'm not sure about Kathryn's age, but the Rand novels were published in
the
1940's and 1950's, WELL before my time >>
Her books may be old, but they were still being discussed in the 70's (at
least at my college.) I remember being quite impressed with her at the time,
but think that her espousal of selfishness would turn me off now. Yes, Avon
would surely appreciate her dedication to self!
Gail
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:59:26 +0000
From: "Jason Gool" <imaginos@pavilion.co.uk>
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>
> Actually, it brings to mind that story about how Ridge was told that there
> should be lots of bodies seen in Terminal when the Liberator was destroyed,
> because it was such a big ship and obviously had a huge crew....
I've never understood what was wrong with this. The Liberator was
essentially a battleship so, even though it only needed a flight crew
of five, you would expect it to be able to carry a large number of
troops. I can't remember how many people the London carried but it
was minuscule next to the Liberator.
Servalan might have had ships waiting somewhere and as soon as she
took control of the Liberator would have started transferring troops
aboard to make her fully operational. So people falling from the
ceiling when she blew up would not be so surprising, This would also
explain how Servalan survived as she would have teleported to another
ship.
However, this all falls down due to the fact that there is no mention
of any other ships.
Jas.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:16:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
>
> > Further grist for the lyst: do you think Avon would have been an Ayn Rand
> > fan?
>
> I'm either showing my age, my continent, or my social group here, but
> who's Ayn Rand?
You're showing your continent. Rand was a writer of highly opinionated
philosophical tosh. She seems terribly popular among middle-class American
adolescents (and hence, the net demographic), but has achieved her
appropriate level of obscurity everywhere else. Her creed - Objectivism -
has quite neatly been described as Russian capitalism, in the same sense
that Leninism is Russian socialism. Think Nietzsche without the
intelligence, subtlety and writing talent. You're not missing much.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:28:15 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>,
"lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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> From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
>
> Scooby = Vila ('cos I can see / The way you shake and shiver')
> Velma = Avon (can it be a coincidence that Velma backwards is... er...
> Amlev.. plus she's the cleverest)
> The blonde one, dammit what is her name = Jenna
Daphne
> Freddie = Gan (big and stupid)
Blake- bad clothes sense and almost certainly gay. (well, Freddy is anyway)
> Scrappy = Tarrant ('let me at 'em' - plus many people feel the series
went
> downhill after he joined :-)
> Shaggy = Probably also Vila ('Yoiks, let's get out of here')
Gan- Scooby's dad (who sometimes makes guest appearances)
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:08:05 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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J MacQueen wrote:
> <grin> A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and knock
> Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid or two.
Ooh, yes. Though I was thinking of Una with two big fish and Neil
behind the wall with the camera.
I suppose to keep this on-topic I should have chosen a glove. OTOH,
there's more than one duel in B7. Hm. I count three in the third series,
one in each of the others. Have I missed any?
Mistral
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"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 03:31:31 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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Trish wrote:
> As a recent addition to this list (I crept on quietly without much
> introduction) I'm fascinated by the discussions and curious about the MBTI
> analysis. Is the group really made up of INTJs and how do you know that?
What we really know is that INTJs and INTPs like to talk Myers-Briggs.
But there's certainly a higher proportion of us here than in the general
population, among the posters, anyway.
> I'm a borderline INTJ/INTP
No wonder you like Avon :)
If you haven't done so, you might like to check out the discussion
of B7 character types on Sue Clerc's site at:
http://members.xoom.com/sjcinct/mbb7.html
That discussion is from February of 1998. Last year's discussion,
which is mostly the Avon: P or J? debate, and discussion of the
types of lystmembers, can be found in the lysator archives
beginning on February 22, 1999.
> Further grist for the lyst: do you think Avon would have been an Ayn Rand fan?
Very probably.
Mistral
INTP/j (and finally happy about it, thanks to the lyst)
--
"We all have something to hide, and we all have something to tell;
we all have a secret name; we all have a secret question--
one question that unlocks our heart."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 02:23:05 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> > Well, it certainly couldn't have anything to do with the rather
> > wonderful Kerr Avon Tribute page.
>
> I'm glad you think so. I'd hate to think anyone reading it might suspect I
> had a downer on *Avon himself*.
Ah, yes. Misanthropes are only obligated to dislike real people.
I can just see Avon sitting alone, watching Monty Python and
Eastenders and feeling a real sense of connectedness.
> > Right, then, we'll have day old mackerel at the Tower of London.
> > Unfortunately, I haven't enough air miles to attend. Why don't
> > you e-mail me the Polaroids?
>
> You utter bounder! Are you not aware that I am a strict vegetarian?
<evil grin> That's what makes it fun.
> Do you
> have no sense of pity for innocent fish newly hatched with but 24 hours of
> life to their name?
<sigh> Trust you to assume the worst of me. I meant mackerel
dead for 24 hours, preferably of natural causes after a long life.
> There's nothing else for it, I'm going to have to go
> for you with a bunch of daffodils. So take that, you fiend! And that! And
> ...
Villain! I must protest! Daffodils are people, too.
Mistral
--
"In a very real sense, we all feed on death."--Mr. Spock, vegetarian
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 04:06:38 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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After I wrote:
<what I'd like to know is why the hell they wasted those views in an
insipidity like Dawn? In Weapon (when we have a *much* easier time staying
awake through the dialogue) he hides behind every piece of furniture he
can...>
High Preistess Penny weighed in:
<In "Weapon" Avon was painfully aware that his Tight Trousers could not hold
a candle to those of the newly introduced True Travis, so he was doing his
best to keep a low profile.>
Yes, they *are* tight on Travis (True or not, and no I'm not getting
involved in the Holy Wars) but Penny, you have to admit that they're not
nearly as interestingly filled out and - time to move Lysts, methinks.
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:58:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
> Iain wrote:
>
> > Or am I just a grumpy old cunt?
>
> I don't see why the two are mutually exclusive.
Thank you. That makes it all clear.
Iain
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:40:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Time Squad
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Time Squad is 2.45 on BBC 2 on Saturday
Judith
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:13:02 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
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Joanne wrote:
> <grin> A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and knock
> Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid or
two.
I would remind you that it is the taller person who holds the biggest fish,
so in any such contest between Una and I, she gets to draw the short straw
(and the short fish). Twixt me and Mistral things might be different, if
she happens to be over 5'7".
Of course, Una could send Iain along in her place, in which case my last
memory would be of a ginormous wet scaley thing swinging down from out of
the clouds.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:06:58 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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Nina wrote:
> << I was born in '63. And I belong to the Blank Generation ("and I can
take
> or
> leave it each time, whooo-eee-oooooo") >>
>
> <grin> That is *such* a great song!
Wow! Someone else who actually knows it.
Whatever next? Someone telling me where I can find Red Gum on CD?
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:28:41 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
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Pat P wrote:
> Neil wrote:
> >"More than one of him and you might have a shaky flight (1,1)"
> >"I leave Israel, get a head start, and turn into a slave (6)"
> >"Did Sula use him as an empty pencil? (3)"
>
> I think Neil is one of them Andromedean slimemold fellows.
> He's speaking their language.
Andrew has already proved that they are quite decipherable, albeit only by
deciphering the last one.
>
> >Having finally joined it, mainly out of curiosity, I certainly noticed a
> >repetition of the word 'Bailey'. It seems like there's hordes of them.
> >Bit of a naff list, really, innit?
>
> Or is this Ferengi? Say wot? Bailey? naff?
There seem to be at least three persons by the name of Bailey contributing
to the onelist, including Michael B who 'found' it (or did he mean
'founded') in the first place.
'Naff' is a British colloquialism that broadly translates as 'not terribly
good'.
Learn summat new every day, don't you:)
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:40:47 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Altazine & Boomers
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> Don't know Altazine, but sounds like I'd have enjoyed it (or would if
> it's still around...). I fall into the introvert category but rarely
> have the time to put down a long post. I'm lucky to string a few
> sentences before my munchkin comes in and requires assistance with
> something. But I really do enjoy reading everyone's thoughts and
> processes.
AltaZine is no more. It has ceased to be. A sample of the more serious
(ie; pretentious) content can be found in the Essays sections of Judith P's
website. A taste of its somewhat less serious side can be found on certain
pages of my own site, as the kind of thing that might have made it into AZ
if I'd had a PC at the time (the Blair's 7 idea goes back a long long way,
to before he even got elected). I might at some time do webpages for Aunty
Anna's Agony Column and Del Tarrant's Deep Space Cookbook, and I think the
article on 'Moon Discs as Player Characters in the Horizon B7 Role-Playing
Game' could do with a wider airing.
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:35:35 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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Harriet wrote:
> Mistral and Julia commented:
> >> Why would they know about the connect rates in other
> >>countries or alternate e-mail clients if nobody tells them?
> >
> >People do tell them, and they still don't get it...
>
> I used to assume it was a problem with Americans who have free local
calls,
> but I'm now on a soccer list where I know the vast majority of posters are
> in the UK, and they're so bad about quoting the entire correspondence,
> including lengthy attachments repeating the same message, that it's almost
> driven me to unsubscribe. Maybe it's just the generation of those who are
> shameless with phone bills.
I experience the same problem with the UK Birding list. Fortunately it only
generates a handful of posts a day, quite often none at all (and even then
people have announced their departure because their inbox was getting
flooded!). My call for plain text only with no attachments seems to have
been taken up by the new list manager.
At least we had a really wicked flame war last month on how to pronounce
'Chough'
obB7 ... er ... so, how do you *really* pronounce 'Cevedic'?
Neil
"I am not a man, I am a free number."
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:58:12 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: "Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes-7@onelist.com>,
"Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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Hi Everyone! :)
I have recently been working on my new site at: http://www.blakes-7.homepage.com
but due to lack of time I still have several missing pages.
I have been trying to work up a page for episode reviews I wanted some
professional opinions (yours), so I was hoping if some of you could help me by
adding one. For more information goto:
http://www.blakes-7.homepage.com/rev-info.htm or if this doesn't help, feel free
to e-mail me. I think it would be so interresting and awesome because of all of
the many different opinions.
Thanks!
Mike
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:56:57 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Baby Boom and Meyers-Briggs
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Kathryn wrote:
> We don't actually know. What we do actually know is that the last
> time Meyers-Brigs was majorly discussed, of the self-selected
> sub-group of Lyst members who took the test and told us their
> classification, a large proportion appeared to be INTJ or INTP.
> There were a few INFs too. Lovely Tramila was a notable exception as
> our token bouncy extrovert, and I believe it was she that made the
> comparison about length of postings and extrovertness, comparing the
> Lyst with one of the other lists she was on.
Hmf, I go into lurkdom for just a little while (ok, more than a month), and
already I'm forgotten. And me being the one person on the lyst with the same
classification as Travis, too.
Maybe it's time to get those red robes out of the closet and start
threatening people with the comfy chair again. Penny, promise you won't call
me off this time?
Jacqueline
ISTJ
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:11:19 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: "Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Liberator Model
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Who was it that offered selling a model of the Liberator? I missed the last one
on eBay and I feel really bad. Does anyone know? I will gladly pay up.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:42:16 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: b7spin: FW: b7spin: Re: Brimstone
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On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 12:41:34PM -0000, Louise Rutter wrote:
>
>
> Una wrote re Buffy:
>
> >The chaps in this house watch it for the babes *and* the wit. I just watch
> >it for the wit. I think I'm being ripped off.
>
> Ah, but those of us who developed a thing for Tony Head when he was
> in VR5 can still spot the sex appeal throught the Giles persona....
Or the angst-appeal. (-8
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Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:20:03 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:28:15 -0000 "David A McIntee"
> > Freddie = Gan (big and stupid)
>
> Blake- bad clothes sense and almost certainly gay. (well, Freddy is
> anyway)
Freddy? The guy who always sent Shaggy, Scooby, and Velma off to
investigate whilst he and Daphne went off by themselves? That Freddy?
Kind of makes me think of Avon and Vila's observation in Gambit, that
Blake would send them down to the deadly messes but, if it's a party
planet, suddenly Jenna and Cally are no longer the best people to operate
the teleport.
Actually, I think Avon had more incommon with the villains on Scooby -
the overly thought out plans always being messed up by people whose
intellect he didn't admire....
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:46:26 -0500
From: Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Episode Reviews
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>I have been trying to work up a page for episode reviews I wanted some
>professional opinions (yours), so I was hoping if some of you could help me by
>adding one.
I'll ask you the same question you were asked about your mailing
list (which I haven't, by the way, yet seen you answer):
What's special about your new website, as opposed to all the
other B7 websites out there, that would make me, or anyone else
but you, *want* to write stuff especially for it?
--
Meredith Dixon <dixonm@pobox.com>
Check out *Raven Days*, for victims and survivors of bullying.
And for those who want to help.
http://www.pobox.com/~dixonm/raven.html
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