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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 60
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Olag/Olaf
[B7L] Introduction
[B7L] Neil vs Gen X'ers
[B7L] Cally vs. Gan
Re: [B7L] Introduction
[B7L] Neil vs Gen Xers
[B7L] A B7 Moment...
Re: [B7L] Re: Soul Mates
[B7L] Generations.
Re: [B7L] Introduction
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] Cally vs. Gan
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] Introduction
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
[B7L] Michael Keating
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
Re: [B7L] sods and soul mates
Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
Re: [B7L] Introduction
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
Re: [B7L] Neil vs Gen Xers
[B7L] Shots fired
[B7L] Re: Cygnus Alpha
Re: [B7L] sods and soul mates
Re: [B7L] sods and soul mates
Re: [B7L] Neil vs Gen Xers
Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
Re: [B7L] Neil vs Gen X'ers
[B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
[B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
[B7L] Shots fired
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:44:10 -0700
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
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All right, Neil, I'm not giving up. Since Olaf is a variant form of Olag,
obviously either Avon or Gan changed it, perhaps to keep the relationship
from being that obvious (it was probably Avon, since he's the anti-social
one). On the other hand, G's go to K's and the standard British dialect
drops R's after a vowel....
You know, if my name was Kerr Akorn, I'd change it too.
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 20:56:47 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
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Ariana wrote:
> Given the stunned silence I got as a reaction,
hi. welcome to the lyst.
Not all posts draw any response, much less start a thread.
Keep casting lines, one day you'll catch a fish.
Or, perhaps, a boatload of abuse.
> who holds that Blake's 7 is one of the best TV shows ever.
Does a chicken have lips???!!!
>So now, the BBC is showing the series
>again, and I'm looking forward to finding out what the palaver is all about!
Stick with it a while. Like many shows, it gets off to a rather
scattered start. But 2nd season is solid.
And it's all downhill from there. <big happy sadistic grin>
PatP
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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:25:19 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
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Kathryn wrote:
>Calling the attention-span thing and the short posts thing a "gen-X"
>characteristic is, IMHO, incorrect.
...
>For another, and more pertinent point, the short-message posting
>pattern - didn't we establish that it's a personality type thing?
...
>So maybe the onelist list ought to be called the Extrovert list...
Excellent analysis. I stand corrected. It is all to easy to tar an
entire group with the same brush. I was referring to the short attention
span that psychologists say the 'younger MTV generation' has. However,
we boomers cannot bear to read the looooong wordy classics of earlier
eras any longer, either.
So! There is a very good reason to add one list and have two lists.
One for the innies, and one for the outies.
Pat P
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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 21:33:02 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Cally vs. Gan
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wow. the lyst has been awesome of late.
Ellynne wrote:
>"No, we're really evil. You understand? Evil! We
>kill pink, fuzzy bunnies for fun. We hired Servalan's tailors.
Too funny! This whole thread is great.
Personally, I'd have killed 'em both off, and brought on Tyce Sarkoff in
Cally's place. Now there's a grrrl with spunk.
To fill Gan's shoes? Oh, the federation outlaw Psychostrategist Carnell.
How the sparks would fly! The latent hostility / jealousy we see between
Avon and Jenna would be as naught in the face of this Clash of the
Titans. :-) Avon would be jealous over Carnell's courting of Cally; over
his superior intellect in strategizing and most, most of all, over his
ability - even better than Blake's - to manipulate the crew.
Trish wrote:
> At least Blake was never faced with the decision of putting Gan down;
> Travis was considerate enough to arrange for Gan to go out heroically,
> serving his master to the end.
sniff sniff boo hoo I always cry when I read Big Yeller
Penny wrote:
>GAN: The Mars Mutoids looked like they had it sewed up, but then their
>goalie ran low on blood serum and the Cygnus Alpha Psychos really started
>kicking...
I am speechless in the face of your awesome intellect and impeccable
prose.
Mistral wrote:
>The scene at the end of Breakdown comes to mind--Avon minding
>the ship while everyone else clusters around Gan to welcome him
>back to health, Gan's connection with the others throwing Avon's
>isolation into relief, even though Avon sacrificed more to help Gan
>than the others did.
Poingnant and insightful.
>1. This one I think we agreed not to discuss ;-)
eh, wot one?
Una wrote:
>9. Cally has a ready supply of drugs.
Vila always had his priorities straight: first: me ; second: soma.
Sally wrote: re Avon:
--------------------
The contempt is absolutely genuine IMO. Comes down – at least partly –
to
the quality of mind – not how bright they are, but how *interesting*.
Gan's
not stupid, but he *is* mentally straightforward, he thinks in a clear,
uncomplicated way – something Avon never does even by accident, and
something he finds about as interesting as that block of wood he treats
Gan
as. Whereas Vila – not IMO any more intelligent per se than Gan - is
mentally fluid, quick-witted, amusing and unpredictable. So while Avon
does
fling insults his way, the quality is much less dismissive, mocking,
malicious but not so brutally uninterested.
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This is a wonderful explanation of why, on this list of INTJs, some
perfectly nice posts are met with stunned silence. Or brutally
uninterested silence. And explains all too sadly why INTJs have no
friends. <g> Too often we don't care for people as people, but only want
them around for their intellectual entertainment value.
Alison wrote re the poem:
>When she laughed, respectable senators burst with laughter
>And when she cried the little children died in the streets
wow. this literally sent chills down my spine.
Pat P the Parrot
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 01:07:23 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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In a message dated 03/04/2000 11:44:25 PM Central Standard Time,
patpatera@netzero.net writes:
> Stick with it a while. Like many shows, it gets off to a rather
> scattered start. But 2nd season is solid.
> And it's all downhill from there.
I should point out that this is merely the opinion of some fans, not all of
us. I happen to believe the third and fourth seasons are much better than
the first two. Certainly I find them more interesting, not least because my
favorite character doesn't even come into the series until the third season.
;-)
I also consider the second season to be the weakest in many respects (even if
it does have my favorite Travis), such as the way it marginalizes Jenna and
Cally.
Tiger M
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be
misquoted, then used against you."
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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 22:04:03 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Neil vs Gen Xers
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Allison wrote:
>FWIW I think the 'technical' division between baby-boomers and
>Generation-X-ers is birth before of after 1963
I've always read the span as 1946 to 1964. The transposed numbers are
the only way I can remember.
I agree that Y is unimaginative. See, it's true - growing up with tv
ruined peoples' imaginations. And after Z, then what?
Mistral wrote:
>Or they were called the 'Me' generation, the ones that
>came to adulthood in the eighties, and Gen-X was supposed to be
>the next batch.
I heard them called the baby bust.
>This is the first time I've ever heard a boomer
>cutoff as late as 1963. Frankly, I think that's much too late. Boomers
>are supposed to remember Howdy-Doody and feel nostalgic when
>they watch Happy Days; I don't. I remember the Beatles and Vietnam
>and and Flower Power and (yuk) disco. Not really the same world at all.
The baby boom actually contains two classes, which fared very
differently economically (in the U.S. anyway) The early boomers were the
Vietnam era radicals. They got their start in the job market during good
economic times and advanced rapidly. The later boomers came of age
during the recessionary '70s, when a huge glob of newly minted labor
force hit the job market like a bargeload of sludge. Many of them never
realized their professional potential. Many were bitter for years
because no promotions were available, due to the big glut of early
boomers clogging the pipeline - most of them going nowhere because of
the intense competition with the hordes of fellow boomers. And neither
the early nor late boomers will (enmasse) progress to the top, because
the baby bust that followed them produced too few consumers - to teach,
to sell to, to lead.
Ah, life is full of fickle fate.
Gen X is that cohort after the back end of the baby boom, but before the
web generation. They are graduating into the hot job market of the
2000s, while Gen X was mired in the recessionary 90s.
Pat P
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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 22:20:27 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Subject: [B7L] A B7 Moment...
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Was just watching Cleopatra 2525 (well, it fills time) and they used
the "take-off-your-exploding-collar-and-throw-it-at-the-bad-guy"
shtick. Guess there's nothing new under a million suns.
Mistral
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:57:24 -0000
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Soul Mates
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Yes, I think the issue isn't whether there is some other type of
relationship which might be called 'soul mates' (and people have suggested
someone who exactly complements you, or alternatively someone who is very
similar to you) After all we can use words to mean whatever we like.
I suppose the important question is, does calling someone your 'soul mate'
over-ride everything else in your life? (Does it justify you becoming a
stalker for goodness sake).
But I can't be bothered to discuss that. The aspect that interests me more
is the propensity of people to dress up their lives with such concepts. The
reason it interests me is that I think people take ideas from film and TV,
and then use those concepts to make sense of their own lives. Actually I
think that is just about one of the things that interests me most in the
whole world.
I'll try to be brief to live up to my reputation as a superficial extrovert.
So just quickly
- Lazy Hollywood-style writing simplifies complexity, it makes hard
questions appear easy, and it trivialises society (IMHO)
- Good film and TV gives us concepts that retain complexity rather than
smoothing it away, even if those concepts are sometimes conveyed via
rickety sets and hammy acting (I think you know where I'm coming from)
Alison
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:25:45 +1100
From: "zaselpha@mailandnews.com" <zaselpha@mailandnews.com>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Recently, I've heard the term 'Generation I' or 'the e-generation' applied to
the internet savvy lot who are just a bit too young for be Gen-Xers.
Think it'll catch on? ;)
Katrina.
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 03:34:33 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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After Pat P wrote:
<But 2nd season is solid. And it's all downhill from there.>
TigerM wrote:
<I happen to believe the third and fourth seasons are much better than the
first two. Certainly I find them more interesting, not least because my
favorite character doesn't even come into the series until the third
season. ;-)>
<gurgle> whereas some of – all right one of me, possibly two with Julia? –
think that the most interesting thing in the entire meandering 3rd season
was a certain pair of leather trousers…oh, we're a rich and varied bunch of
viewers, all right.
But Pat, did you mean this that way? Or did you mean it's all downhill *for
Our heroes* - into tragedy (which for some reason was how I first read it?)
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:30:42 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 08:38:42PM -0000, Ariana wrote:
> So this is the very second episode I've watched in sequence so far, and it
> was nice to be plunged back into the direct consequences of what happened
> last week. Here are some miscellaneous impressions, all entirely MHO and
> open to discussion, of course. :)
But after such a sterling analysis, are any of us going to summon the
energy to disagree?
Looks like you'll fit right in, here. (-8
> I could probably have done without Brian Blessed and his sect of Capuchin
> nutters, and in particular their gratuitous female acolyte. The latter
> served no practical purpose IMHO than to look pretty and snog Gan... neither
> of which were particularly worthwhile pursuits, plotwise. If she had been
Weeelll, you could argue that the odds against at least one of the
female acolytes being beautiful would be pretty low (unless they were
some massive ugliness genes floating around), and, naturally, they'd
pick the beautifullest one to greet those delivered from the outer
darkness, to show the "carrot" part of the setup, as well as the
dead body to show the "stick" side.
But, yeah, the whole setup is a cliche. But Brian Blessed chews the
scenery so well! (grin)
> for a Hammer Horror once he got inside. I'm wondering if we'll be visiting
> that gravel pit again; it looks like an ideal Planet Hell location (to use
> Star Trek terminology :).
All alien planets in British SF look like chalk quarries, all alien
planets in US SF look like the Arizona desert - except for Stargate,
where they all look like temperate evergreen forests.
> Something which did strike me as slightly odd was the way the episode
> carefully avoided showing us more than the command room and the teleport
> room on the Liberator. This was noticeable in the bits where Jenna and Avon
> kept leaving to explore, returning to *tell* each other what they had found.
> A rule of "paper" writing is "show, don't tell" and those scenes definitely
> contravened the recommendation. I wonder if it was to save time or money, or
> if the effect was deliberate.
Money. Never build more sets than you need. And anyway, I liked the
line which Avon said to Jenna when she came back wearing her new
clothes:
"I'm glad to see you haven't been wasting your time on frivolities."
> The strengths of the episode are those which I gather have made the strength
> of the show itself: dialogue and characterisation. The three characters on
> the Liberator, and Vila down on the planet, get a few chuckle-inducing
> lines; the result both of a talented author and, IMHO, the British habit of
> sharpening their wits on absolutely *anything*. Although serious American
> sci-fi series will also have their share of witticisms, these are generally
> confined to lower-rank or secondary characters (the resident Ferengi, for
> instance), or to strictly *appropriate* moments. They don't just insult
> their fellow crewmen for the sake of a good line. I've collected a few of my
> favourite quotes from this episode lower down. :)
I think, though, if you compare this to say, US comedies like Murphy
Brown, the British humour, while cutting, isn't nasty. Rapier wit.
Anyway, I like it.
> Completely weird thought: is the Liberator *creating* these things the
> humans want, by any chance? Seems strange that it should sudden spout
> weapons, chic 1970s fashions and plastic-bagfulls of costume jewellery that
> just happen to be what Blake, Jenna and Avon have always wanted. Or am I
> just inventing a red herring here? <vbg>
Do you really want to know?
> One nice touch was Blake nearly falling over when Avon and Jenna teleport
> him onto the side of a heap of gravel. You never see that happen to a
> Federation officer in That Other Federation. <g>
Hmmm, are there other incidences like that later on? Oh, I can think
of one with Vila, but half of it was his fault.
I agree with the dialogue gems. Reminds me, I must get back to
updating my quotes file.
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:04:31 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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Ariana wrote:
> Is it my imagination, or was Avon using those little sticky rings you put
on
> perforated binder paper to mark the controls on the teleport system?
Oh yes, they are! I love that bit. I think it's very human. ('I'd better put
some sticky things on these controls or I'll *never* get them working
again...').
> Those were nifty tennis shoes Vargas was wearing under his monk's outfit.
Super cool. Mr Adidas.
Una
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 04:37:50 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> All alien planets in British SF look like chalk quarries, all alien
> planets in US SF look like the Arizona desert - except for Stargate,
> where they all look like temperate evergreen forests.
:) Must mean the gate builders liked temperate evergreen forests.
Fits their biology? Perhaps by the time of the Terran Federation,
humans are better suited to bleak terrain and choose quarry-like
planets to colonize? After all those years in the dome, Blake did
seem a bit afraid of the outdoors at first. Then there's the factor
that a Federation transport would need a large level landing field,
and a stargate doesn't.
Mistral
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 08:20:46 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally vs. Gan
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In message <38C1F18E.8DD6E034@netzero.net>, Pat Patera
<patpatera@netzero.net> writes
>This is a wonderful explanation of why, on this list of INTJs, some
>perfectly nice posts are met with stunned silence. Or brutally
>uninterested silence. And explains all too sadly why INTJs have no
>friends. <g>
We have friends, Pat. Each other. This explains quite a lot about the
Lyst :->
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"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:15:59 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>, "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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> From: Ariana <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
> I'm wondering if we'll be visiting
> that gravel pit again; it looks like an ideal Planet Hell location (to
use
> Star Trek terminology :).
<chokes on coffee>
*If* we'll be visiting that gravel pit again?
It probably earns more royalties than Darrow does, for all its appearances.
> The strengths of the episode are those which I gather have made the
strength
> of the show itself: dialogue and characterisation. The three characters
on
> the Liberator, and Vila down on the planet, get a few chuckle-inducing
> lines; the result both of a talented author
Script-editor, rather. Nation tended to offer a choice of story or
dialogue, rather than writing both...
> and, IMHO, the British habit of
> sharpening their wits on absolutely *anything*. Although serious American
> sci-fi series will also have their share of witticisms, these are
generally
> confined to lower-rank or secondary characters (the resident Ferengi, for
> instance), or to strictly *appropriate* moments. They don't just insult
> their fellow crewmen for the sake of a good line.
Unless their name is Tom or Harry, and Tuvok is in the room, you mean?
And then there are those moments when British writers do something for US
series...
> Completely weird thought: is the Liberator *creating* these things the
> humans want, by any chance? Seems strange that it should sudden spout
> weapons, chic 1970s fashions and plastic-bagfulls of costume jewellery
that
> just happen to be what Blake, Jenna and Avon have always wanted. Or am I
> just inventing a red herring here? <vbg>
I think that's an intended subtext. Could be wrong, and it's just Nation's
style of simplistic storytelling.
> Is it my imagination, or was Avon using those little sticky rings you put
on
> perforated binder paper to mark the controls on the teleport system?
He was.
> Those were nifty tennis shoes Vargas was wearing under his monk's outfit.
I
> couldn't help noticing that Blake's shoes looked remarkably like
something
> one might pick up at Clark's too. I take it the costume department drew
the
> line at designing footwear. :)
They were always rebels in hush puppies.
> Dialogue Gems:
> ==============
> BLAKE: (taking one of the guns) Handgun?
> AVON: It's a bit elaborate for a toothpick.
It'd have been funnier if he'd compared it to a vibrator...
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:26:31 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In message <20000305113434.31452.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton
<smanton@hotmail.com> writes
><gurgle> whereas some of – all right one of me, possibly two with Julia? –
>think that the most interesting thing in the entire meandering 3rd season
>was a certain pair of leather trousers…oh, we're a rich and varied bunch of
>viewers, all right.
Waddayamean "possibly"? *Who* sat there with the frame grabber at work
one lunch hour, running through Yawn of the Gods in *slow* *motion*,
just so the video deprived could get to see the delights of the
trousers?
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"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 09:15:56 EST
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 3/5/00 6:53:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kat@welkin.apana.org.au writes:
<< All alien planets in British SF look like chalk quarries, all alien
planets in US SF look like the Arizona desert - except for Stargate,
where they all look like temperate evergreen forests. >>
The shift to evergree forests is a natural consequence of most series being
filmed in Canada, these days. Production costs in Hollywood became too
expensive a decade back, with the result that many North American series are
now filmed North of the border, especially in Vancouver. So Duncan MacLeod
spent half of every year in his loft in "Seacouver", and Sentinel was set in
"Cascades", and Twin Peaks, and Stargate, and Forever Knight, and Raven and
many other shows nowadays are actually using Canadian wilderness for their
location shooting, just as they used to use the California/Arizona desert
previously. This is an old song. When films first began a 100 years back, all
locations shooting looked like the woods of New Jersey because that's where
American film studios were all located.
Leah
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:07:26 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Beautiful' suffering
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Neil wrote:
> Actually, why don't you nominate Una as your second too? Then we can both
> pretend not to make it, and hide behind a wall and watch her trying to
beat
> herself up. Should be a larf.
<Una makes cynical bid for sympathy vote> And the really tragic part is that
I'd lose <sob>
Una
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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:21:05 +0000
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: lyst@whitecrow.demon.co.uk
Subject: [B7L] Michael Keating
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I happened to be in a bookshop in Edinburgh today, where I saw a poster
regarding meets by the local Dr Who group, who have guests. Their poster
claims that the guest for 6th March - this Monday - will be Michael Keating.
And a picture, too. Coo.
Apparently they meet at Claremonts Bar, which I hear is on Causeway, at
7.30pm.
How real any of this is, I don't know.
steve
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:35:08 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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In message <E12Ray1-0008Fx-00.2000-03-05-13-21-06@mail11.svr.pol.co.uk>,
David A McIntee <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>It'd have been funnier if he'd compared it to a vibrator...
>
Various fan writers have.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 09:34:16 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Neil wrote:
> What I want to know is why you think the negative assessment of Avon happens
> to be mine.
Well, it certainly couldn't have anything to do with the rather
wonderful Kerr Avon Tribute page.
> This, I fear, is an unconscionable slur on my aspirations to
> objectivity,
<uncontrollable choking and giggling>
> and I demand that honour be satisfied. You have choice of
> weapons and venue (though you'll have to cough up the bus fare if it's
> anywhere west of Canterbury). I nominate Una as my second.
>
> Actually, why don't you nominate Una as your second too? Then we can both
> pretend not to make it, and hide behind a wall and watch her trying to beat
> herself up. Should be a larf.
Right, then, we'll have day old mackerel at the Tower of London.
Unfortunately, I haven't enough air miles to attend. Why don't
you e-mail me the Polaroids?
(Don't worry, Una, I'm confident you'll win.)
Mistral
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--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:55:19 -0000
From: "Ariana" <ariana@ndirect.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
> >I'm wondering if we'll be visiting that gravel pit again;
>
> <snicker>
> Do you think we should tell her, folks, or would that be a spoiler?
Hehe. Actually, I'm pretty sure it appeared in one of the rare later
episodes I happened to catch on UK Gold. It's presumably the Blake's 7
equivalent of the rocky, sparsely vegetated landscape the Star Trek
characters always seem to be trotting around (gee, do you think that might
be the back-lot at Paramount Studios? ;). I gather the BBC gravel pit made
some memorable appearances in the likes of Dr Who too.
Ariana
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:37:42 +1300
From: Jamie Walker <jj.walker@auckland.ac.nz>
To: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
CC: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> > Something which did strike me as slightly odd was the way the episode
> > carefully avoided showing us more than the command room and the teleport
> > room on the Liberator. This was noticeable in the bits where Jenna and Avon
> > kept leaving to explore, returning to *tell* each other what they had found.
> > A rule of "paper" writing is "show, don't tell" and those scenes definitely
> > contravened the recommendation. I wonder if it was to save time or money, or
> > if the effect was deliberate.
>
> Money. Never build more sets than you need. And anyway, I liked the
> line which Avon said to Jenna when she came back wearing her new
> clothes:
> "I'm glad to see you haven't been wasting your time on frivolities."
I suspect money was the most overwhelming reason - but another one is possibly
that they didn't want to commit to any set design so early in the series.
(it's only the second episode with Liberator in, after all).
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:11:41 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>Pat P wrote:
> > > A diamond shines all the brighter for being stuck in a cowpat.
> > *Now* I'm complaining!
> > That's cowPIE not cowPAT
>Not on this side of the Pond, it ain't.
Nor on this side of the Pacific. Sorry, Pat.
(Can't believe I'm agreeing with Neil...)
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:17:07 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: mistral@ptinet.net
>Right, then, we'll have day old mackerel at the Tower of London.
<grin> A fish-slapping dance. Una can have the really big fish and knock
Neil over into the nearest body of water. That'd be worth a Polaroid or two.
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:28:18 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Introduction
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Sally Manton wrote
><gurgle> whereas some of – all right one of me, possibly two with Julia? –
>think that the most interesting thing in the entire meandering 3rd season
>was a certain pair of leather trousers…oh, we're a rich and varied bunch of
>viewers, all right.
> Waddayamean "possibly"? *Who* sat there with the frame grabber at work
>one lunch hour, running through Yawn of the Gods in *slow* *motion*,
> just so the video deprived could get to see the delights of the
> trousers?
Hmmn, I suppose I'll have to rewatch that episode. Luckily the new VCR has an
excellent slow motion view ....
Trish
:-)))
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:29:46 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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>From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
>I wouldn't call myself 'Generation X' and I was born in 1961.
Don't know that I feel comfortable calling myself that either, and I was
born ten years later. Those of us close to 30 get lumped in anyway, as being
a little too old for the next batch. Damned marketing people - my parents,
chronologically, are boomers, but they didn't entirely fit the pattern
someone dreamed up for those their ages.
>But young people nowadays are definitely not GenX - it's an eighties term,
>like 'yuppie'.
And the fashion designers have decreed the eighties are back. Can I
hibernate now?
Regards
Joanne
(well, it will be winter once June starts)
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:35:46 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
>Gen X is that cohort after the back end of the baby boom,
Ouch, cohort. Please don't use that one in front of me, Pat. I haven't
adjusted my thinking yet, so its use always makes me think the people
concerned are dressed as Roman centurions. Not a pretty idea, really.
Regards
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:44:38 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> Come to think of it, if this had been U.S. TV, the troopers could not
> have killed any of them. On U.S. shows, none of the bad guys can hit the
> broad side of a barn - much less a protagonist.
>
And we would probalby have made use of the problems involved in a
circular firing squad.
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:55:05 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> Completely weird thought: is the Liberator *creating* these things the
> humans want, by any chance? Seems strange that it should sudden spout
> weapons, chic 1970s fashions and plastic-bagfulls of costume jewellery that
> just happen to be what Blake, Jenna and Avon have always wanted. Or am I
> just inventing a red herring here? <vbg>
>
Good point! I don't think the weapons were created for them (they had to
guess if they were weapons, never having seen such a design before), but
the clothing and jewels are likely. The System didn't seem to place much
value on fashion, and gems, aside from industrial and technological
uses, are valueless except that fashion suggests they are worth
thousands as baubles. Zen scanned Jenna's mind-- and we saw how
delighted she was by the clothing. Everyone seemed to find something in
their size (Gan would be hard to fit) and to their liking.
Zen was able to create illusionary memory based lures for them as part
of the defense system. But if the ship can form matter into desirables,
the crew never seems to figure out that capacity.
I wonder what Servalan would have found on board had she ever succeeded
in making the ship hers?
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:48:44 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] sods and soul mates
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J MacQueen wrote:
>Nor on this side of the Pacific. Sorry, Pat.
Cowpie, cowpile, cowpat, and cowpattie are all in use in the US; I've heard
all of 'em at various times. Don't know whether one's preference in
terminology is likely to be a regional or an individual matter. I
understand "cowflop" used to be common, but I haven't run into that one in
practice; it may be obsolete or nearly so.
- Lisa
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:09:45 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
>Don't know whether one's preference in
>terminology is likely to be a regional or an individual matter.
<grin> I'm sure that there's a very good reason for Ms Patera to prefer
anything other than cow"pat"!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:05:28 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil vs Gen Xers
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In a message dated 3/5/00 3:37:30 PM Mountain Standard Time,
j_macqueen@hotmail.com writes:
<< Ouch, cohort. Please don't use that one in front of me, Pat. I haven't
adjusted my thinking yet, so its use always makes me think the people
concerned are dressed as Roman centurions. Not a pretty idea, really. >>
But decidely preferable to a resurrection of the 80's ...
Nina
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:05:24 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Neil vs Gen X'ers
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In a message dated 3/4/00 10:56:51 AM Mountain Standard Time,
N.Faulkner@tesco.net writes:
<< I was born in '63. And I belong to the Blank Generation ("and I can take
or
leave it each time, whooo-eee-oooooo") >>
<grin> That is *such* a great song!
Nina
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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:05:26 EST
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil vs Gen X'ers
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In a message dated 3/4/00 10:44:34 PM Mountain Standard Time,
patpatera@netzero.net writes:
<< I was referring to the short attention
span that psychologists say the 'younger MTV generation' has. >>
Personally, I blame the proliferation of the TV remote control. Gives us all
an equal opportunity to have the attention span of a gerbil on amphetamines.
<g>
Nina
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:08:24 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] First Impressions: "Cygnus Alpha"
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Ariana wrote:
An absolutely, thoroughly enjoyable critique of this wacky episode.
New fans are so refreshing. To me, hearing their reactions are a bit
like watching the show for the first time. Many of us have watched the
entire series many times, but there's nothing like that first love
*sigh*
Ariena, you are nearly as witty as the B7 writers :-)
>Completely weird thought: is the Liberator *creating* these things the
>humans want, by any chance? Seems strange that it should sudden spout
>weapons, chic 1970s fashions and plastic-bagfulls of costume jewellery that
>just happen to be what Blake, Jenna and Avon have always wanted. Or am I
>just inventing a red herring here? <vbg>
wow. cool observation. I never heard this theory before. Yes, perfect
wish fullfillment for Blake: weapons, Avon: riches, Jenna: beauty. But
but but why did Vila and Cally never find their wish fullfillment? Vila
(spoiler!) has to beg borrow and steal his soma for the next 3 years.
And our resident telepath? What do Auronor want, anyway?
Psychoanalytic Pat P
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:13:09 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Neil vs GenX'ers
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Neil wrote:
>"More than one of him and you might have a shaky flight (1,1)"
>"I leave Israel, get a head start, and turn into a slave (6)"
>"Did Sula use him as an empty pencil? (3)"
I think Neil is one of them Andromedean slimemold fellows.
He's speaking their language.
>Having finally joined it, mainly out of curiosity, I certainly noticed a
>repetition of the word 'Bailey'. It seems like there's hordes of them.
>Bit of a naff list, really, innit?
Or is this Ferengi? Say wot? Bailey? naff?
Mistral wrote:
>Write us an essay, Neil.
In standard Federation English, please.
Puzzled Pat P
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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:59:52 +1100
From: Andrew Williams <AWilliams@daikin.com.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Shots fired
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Pat P wrote...
>So that odd ray gun sound must have been a richochet - and not a Vogon?
When I copied out the relevant part of the article, I thought of going back
to the video tape - there could be a world of difference between what Mary
Ridge intended and the sound FX people added later.
Actually, it brings to mind that story about how Ridge was told that there
should be lots of bodies seen in Terminal when the Liberator was destroyed,
because it was such a big ship and obviously had a huge crew....
Andrew.
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