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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 39

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] radw
	 Re: [B7L] radw
	 Re: [B7L] radw
	 Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
	 Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
	 [B7L] Re: PGPs
	 [B7L] spread the word
	 Re: [B7L] Re: PGPs
	 [B7L] Reruns
	 [B7L] Re: blakes7 magazines
	 Re: [B7L] Nonviolent/Massacre
	 Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
	 [B7L] fanzines by credit card
	 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 magazines
	 [B7L] Episode Confirmation
	 [B7L] PGPs
	 [B7L] whoovies (was radw)
	 [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations
	 [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations
	 [B7L] Rights
	 [B7L] bullies
	 [B7L] Blakes 7 magazines
	 Re: [B7L] bullies

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:46:36 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] radw
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> From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> I decided to go lurk in another fannish group, since I was off work ill
> but not ill enough to stay in bed.
> 
> rec.arts.drwho doesn't seem to like Blake's 7 much... Apparently the
> show is dead, the reruns on the BBC should be stopped at once, and its
> mailing list talks about nothing but homoerotica. God, I am tempted to
> delurk...

It's only really one or two people who don't like B7 (Adam Richards mainly)
- most others are OK with it.

Personally I miss the place a bit, but can't return lest I get a public
apology...

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:47:00 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca>
> To: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
> Subject: Re: [B7L] radw
> Date: 08 February 2000 23:55
> 
> Go ahead and bring up B7.  Some radwers are lamers.

This is very true.

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:09:56 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] radw
Message-ID: <R0B3mMBEPfo4EwJQ@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <E12Ifx8-0005Am-00.2000-02-09-22-51-19@cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk>
, David A McIntee <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>Personally I miss the place a bit, but can't return lest I get a public
>apology...
>
Go on, you can't leave it at that...
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:41:09 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:30:15PM +0000, Julia Jones wrote:
> In message <017901bf72ab$a470e760$3064e0d1@huh>, huh <huh@ccm.net>
> writes
> >I'd be happy to  complete my video collection myself. sigh. Which to do, by
> >videos or actually buy a few  fanzines? moan. I hate decisions.  Of course I
> >can charge videos....
> 
> Charge? If by that, you mean buy on a credit card, you can do that for
> fanzines as well:-)

For *some* fanzines.  It all depends who you're buying them from.
As far as I know, only Mysti Frank accepts credit cards.
<http://www.agentwithstyle.com>

Kathryn A.
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:59:41 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:

>As far as I know, only Mysti Frank accepts credit cards.

Linda Knights did, last time I checked.

         - Lisa
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:11:49 +0100
From: Chris <cporsch@cityweb.de>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: PGPs
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> thinking about PGPs. (Er, that's Post Gauda Prime, aka Series 5, for
> anyone new to B7 fanfic jargon.)  Do most fans enjoy them?  More or
> less than other genres of fan fiction?  What constitutes an especially
> good one?>
>
> The right people surviving, of course <grin>

Right!! Personally I don´t like PGPs very much, but they work for me, as
long as Blake is still alive :-)

Christina

°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
Carry on, my sweet survivor, carry on my only friend
don´t give up on your dreams, don´t you let it end.
Carry on my sweet survivor, though you know that something´s gone
For everything that matters carry on

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:17:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] spread the word
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Having spoken to the local B7 fans last night, I discovered that only one of
them knew about the repeats (and she wouldn't have known if her father didn't
read Radio Times cover to cover).

There has been no coverage in Radio Times, I haven't seen a single trailer
(not even after Dr Who!) and there is no coverage at all on the BBCs Cult TV web
site.

Please complain to the BBC.  We've waited 20 years and now they seem determind
to kill the show by indifference.  Even the radio plays got more coverage that
this!

If nobody knows Blake's 7 is on, then the viewing figures will be crap.  One
would almost think there was a conspiricy.

I've comlained about the lack of coverage in a few places, but my browser isn't
compatible with the BBC web site which rather limits what I can do (and my
fingers are still sore).  My voice is too bad to make complaints over the phone.

Please, get out there and encourage the BBC to publicise the repeats or a whole
load of old fans and all the possible new fans are going to miss our favourite
show.

Judith (still off-list)


-- 
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pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc.  (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
Redemption '01  23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:46:25 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: PGPs
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Christina wrote:
<Right!! Personally I don´t like PGPs very much, but they work for me, as 
long as Blake is still alive :-)  >

Come to my arms, Christina!!! I insist (and I do mean *insist*) on Avon, 
Blake and Vila surviving (as I have said before, every good rebel base has a 
trauma centre just off the tracking gallery for moments like this <g>). 
Maximum angst value (somehow, however, I can't see this argument appealing 
to Neil?) And I prefer Servalan dead. All others are negotiable...


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:25:00 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Freedom City" <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Reruns
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The rumour mill is telling me that the repeats are starting with
'Aftermath'.

This is a bit of a disappointment - I was really looking forward to seeing
'The Way Back' again on BBC TV (I don't think it's ever been repeated on the
two main channels, has it?), but clearly TPTB are more arses than I ever
gave them credit for.

Still, it's not too bad. 'Aftermath' was where I came in all those years
ago, and it was another ten years before I saw an episode with both Blake &
Jenna in.

I turned on to the end of 'Genesis of the Daleks' the other night (and by
gum, it looked really good, which is why I was looking forward to 'The Way
Back' so much), but no trailer, which seemed a bit odd.


Una

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:46:39 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: jerry.davies@freeuk.com
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7 magazines
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Jerry wrote: "I've been sorting out some old stuff and came across some
Blake's 7 magazines from the early eighties which were printed in the
U.K. As far as I can tell, the set is complete (25 - including a summer
special). Could anyone tell me if there is a demand for this sort of
thing or do I just chuck them on the bonfire?"

Splutter, cof. Do not throw them on the bonfire. I have a full set
myself, but I'm sure there are plenty of fans out there who would love
them. I've seen them on sale at dealer's fairs selling from anything
between 3 and 15 pound each depending on the issue, and condition. The
top price is for the early ones in mint with free gift still attached.

If you really just want to get rid of them, you could always donate them
to the charity auction at Redemption.

--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson

"In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like
ponies"
The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:12:59 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Nonviolent/Massacre
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Ellynne wrote:
>Could the 'peaceful surrender' speach have 
>been a repeat of what Blake said when he
>surrendered? A last ditch, desperate effort
> both to warn Blake and to try
>and bring back his memory?

Ooh, ingenious...

Harriet

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:08:42 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] speaking of merchandise
Message-ID: <EsSyQEAKIno4Ewqx@jajones.demon.co.uk>

In message <20000210074109.A4003@welkin.apana.org.au>, Kathryn Andersen
<kat@welkin.apana.org.au> writes
>On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 06:30:15PM +0000, Julia Jones wrote:
>> 
>> Charge? If by that, you mean buy on a credit card, you can do that for
>> fanzines as well:-)
>
>For *some* fanzines.  It all depends who you're buying them from.
>As far as I know, only Mysti Frank accepts credit cards.
><http://www.agentwithstyle.com>

Linda Knights does so as well, and she stocks a massive range in a lot
of fandoms. I haven't got the address to hand, but you can reach it
through Judith's website, as Judith's her British agent (and Richard,
bless him, maintains the site).

http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:02:08 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] fanzines by credit card
Message-ID: <gbcL9HAwswo4Ewdo@jajones.demon.co.uk>

Linda Knight's website is at 

http://www.nas.com/~lknight/index.html

and is now stocking nearly 1000 zines in over 50 fandoms - and takes
credit card orders.
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:29:11 EST
From: Prmolloy@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7 magazines
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Hi, I'm a new member of the list.  I might be interested in the magazines, 
but don't know much about them.

I'm in the States, and got access to B7 only through PBS which edited the 
darn shows and confused me totally until I started seeing the unedited 
versions through the video.

Trish

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:24:57 -0000
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Episode Confirmation
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We have confirmed today with the BBC that the episode for transmission on
Saturday 12th February at 4.05pm, is indeed "The Way BacK", and they intend
to show all 52 episodes.
Any rumors to the contrary are unfounded.

If anyone wishes to check for themselves, you can ring the BBC information
line on 08700 100 222.
They can give you info on the schedules for about 2-3 weeks ahead, way
before any listings magazine.

This is also the number to ring and complain about the lack of trailers for
the show, ask to speak to the Duty Officer to register a complaint.


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:37:49 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] PGPs
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Sarah wrote: re: 
>> Do most fans enjoy them?  More or less than other genres of fan fiction?  
>> What constitutes an especially good one?>
>The right people surviving, of course <grin>

Neil wrote:
>Anyone except Avon, in other words:)

TROLLING!!!

Julia wrote:
>But Neil, get-Avon fans quite enjoy seeing him die, as long as it's done soulfully.
> And at great lovingly described length...

And so long as Avon suffers beautifully.

Seriously tho - most inter series stories don't stray too far from canon
(except for AU, when all characters can worship Soolin, Golden Goddess
of the Galaxy) while PGP tales can go anywhere. Characters can change
totally: become bitter, cynical, corrupt, betray their comrades, sell
out their crew, consort with Sleer-- come to think of it, PGPs don't
stray too far from canon, either. :-D

Kathryn A wrote:
>In one way, it's rather difficult for me to comment, because for me, nothing will >displace Ana Dorfstad's "The Pattern of Infinity" as the best PGP ever written ...
>Gee, I'm going to have to re-read it again soon, aren't I?

Absolutely! The dang thing's as long as the Encyclopedia Brittanica, but
every word is a jewel.
The plot is so beautifully convolted, you could believe Carnell crafted
this enticing tale.
waxing nostalgic, pat p


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:46:14 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] whoovies (was radw)
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lisbeth wrote:
>Wasn't it this list which was dinged for lack of merchandise information? I consider it my humble duty to point out that e-bay has a teleport bracelet... i hope i haven't broken any rules  here- i don't recall reading that merchandise mention was off limits. :)

Not at all - but what we *really* want to hear about is the leather
Avon/Tarrant tunic you've snagged from e-bay, the one replete with
silver studs - (except for that single one missing - yeah, that one,
with the teeth marks all about it). What, oh what, the list talks about
endlessly, could have inspired Avon to give his favoirite tunic to
Tarrant? What *could* have Tarrant done for him to deserve that gift?
And who, oh who, exactly was it that bit off the missing stud? The stud
missing from that vital spot; you know, *that* place, that I could only
exactly geo*graphic*ally identify on *the other list*.

Lisa wrote:
>I suspect that the reference was to the Other List. It's still silly, of
>course, 'cause we talk about het smut over there, too.

<chortel-snort!> you are an inspiration

PatP


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:42:53 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations
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Ellynne wrote:
> The only problem seems to be the things Servalan _didn't_ use them for.
<snip factual evidence>
>What if _Servalan_ wasn't the one manipulating them? Who else could it have been?

Ok, you popped my balloon. But I have an even better theory to float.
Carnell, the puppeteer, is running *both* Servalan and Avon - and hell
yes, why not? Blake, too. His motivation?  He blames both Blake and Avon
for messing up his plan in Weapon. 

But most especially: He is bent on ruining Servalan's career, much as
she ruined his. Only he's going to make her political demise a slow and
humiliating downfall, to drag out her suffering and his pleasure as long
as possible. Ah, an exquisitely apt revenge for an unemployed federation
psychostrategist with too much time on his hands.

>Well, I suppose it could have been the revenge of Travis' eyepatch. Maybe this is the story behind how Blake lost his eye.

now *that's* a plot line for a Bizarro tale <chortle>
who remembers that old '50s movie: The Thing (the crawling severed hand
- later parodied in the Adamms Family comedies) Except the patch would
sorta ... flop along the ground while chasing after ya.

Still, I suppose it could lurk patiently, stuck to the ceiling in the
mess hall and then one day, when Blake looks up from his oatmeal - BAM!
erm, I mean: PLOP! Right in the eye (or was it the left eye?)

Pat P


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:20:38 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations
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Cam wrote:

> But, it seems entirely possible Servalan could have been manipulating
> the ENTIRE "resistance" including our crew. She did seem to be
> everywhere, including Helotrix. 
funny coincidence, that
> And it would in keeping with B7
> precedent -  The President of the Federation controlled the Terra Nostra
> in the 2nd season ("To have total control you must control totally, both
> sides of the law.").  
fine canon precedent

> And it would nicely tie in with Avon's own
> wrenching history with Anna ("stayed close and let you run").
fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

> Use the rebels to further your own ambition of achieving Federation
> power, make sure the rebels don't really achieve much yet keep your
> rivals occupied, eliminate some pesky personal threats from your past,
> control one of your enemies, AND become rich in the process...Seems like
> a PERFECT Servalan plot to me.
brilliant synopsis - and so what if a few matters went awry, for in this
scenario, Servie still attains 901 of her goals - not a bad track record
 
> Just think of the evil glee she would have just waiting for the perfect
> moment to reveal all to Avon in her moment of victory. What a wonderful
> plot idea!

so when are you going to write the zine?

Pat P


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:34:27 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Rights
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> Avona wrote:
 
> It's really all perspective, isn't it? A Federation citizen would be
> overwhelmed by the amount of freedom we have, coming as they
> would from a society where there is no leisure transportation, they
> couldn't change residences without permission, where the strong
> implication is they can't even choose their own careers. 

Sounds like China today.


> Julie wrote:
> > Assuming that peace officers are what we might otherwise understand to be
> > police officers, this seems to correspond to what we see of law enforcement
> > in the Federation, i.e. as far as I am aware there are is no distinction
> > between law enforcers and the military.
> >
> > Does this mean that all Federation citizens are subject to martial law?
> > To whom are they ultimately answerable? Well I guess the answer would be the
> > President but I wonder what the reporting structure is, through military
> > personnel or through the judiciary?
> 
In Trial, Trooper Parr matter of factly tells his partner that the
military runs everything.
This is generally the case in dictatorial societies.

Neil wrote:

> There are two references to a police force in the series, both 4th Season.
> Dayna 'reminded' Plaxton of the time she'd reported a missing ground car to
> the police as stolen, and the General in Traitor referred to investigation
> of Practor's murder as a job for the police (and since he had already been
> told that Sleer had commandeered the investigation, we can infer that
> Servalan was posing as a police commissioner).
> 
> Blake was appointed as an official law enforcement officer in the final
> episode.  Reeve's rank of Investigator (in Sand) suggests he was a police
> officer (maybe one of Sleer's subordinates).

It sounds as tho the police are rather like the KGB in cold war USSR.
The military is used for mass uprisings (like Afghanistan) when what's
required is: "Smash Them, Glove!" while the KGB is sent in when a more
subtle approach is needed. Or cleverness. Yet both arms of the military
work for the same master, the top Politico Dictator.

> Par's remarks in Trial suggest an uneasy state of affairs between the Civil
> Administration (who would be the most likely candidate to have ultimate
> control of any civilian police force) and Space Command, the military wing
> of which Servalan was Supreme Commander.

Middle managers are always in competition to make their 'department'
tops. This sounds like the underlings squabbling over who is really
first in line to lick the boots of The Power(s) That Be. And who may
that be? I suspect ... multi Billionaire Bill Gates, who had had himself
cyrogenically frozen for centuries and, upon his revival, found that due
to compound interest, he could now buy The Galaxy.

Pat P (saving my pennies, because *I* want to be the Supreme Evil
Overlord)


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:03:30 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Mistral wrote:

> Good examples, although I did think Parr displayed the attitude of
> 'us' troopers being better than 'them' civilians. 
Oh, all the military in B7 definitely a superiority complex - but that's
not the same thing as being a bully. In fact, many 'superior' feeling
type people feel it is their duty to help 'the great unwashed'

> I was thinking of are Klegg and his death squad, and the troopers
> using drugged civilians for target practice in Warlord. Oh, and the
> ones in Moloch. 

Yikes, I had forgotten *all* of those unsavories. Deliberate blocking?
(sez this great fan of My Steel Queen)

Playing devil's advocate: 
Klegg & Co. could have been a sort of Special Forces, loosed from their
cages to fight the Andromedeans.
Commissioner Sleer could have influenced the cadre of "duck pluckers"
who were inculcated with her own scorn for the test subjects of her drug
program.
The troopers in Moloch were feral. The one bad apple (who put their true
commander in the stasis tank) could spoil the squad.

Still, let's not forget the dome-grown troopers under Travis, who mowed
down the peaceful, unarmed Freedom Party party.

> > PS Mistral, you must type about 400 words a minute to type so much! 
> Unfortunate side effect of writer's block. Don't tell Kathryn, eh?

ho boy! you are in BIG TROUBLE with ye slaying editor *now*! ':-o
Forget the Blue Meanies - you'd better run from the Blue Pencils.

Pat P


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:40:12 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Jerry wrote:
> I've been sorting out some old stuff and came across some Blake's 7 magazines
> from the early eighties which were printed in the U.K.
> 
> As far as I can tell, the set is complete (25 - including a summer special).
> 
> Could anyone tell me if there is a demand for this sort of thing or do I just chuck them on
> the bonfire?

AAAAUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

ooohhhhhhh noooooooooooooooo  Mr. Bill!

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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:08:00 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Subject: Re: [B7L] bullies
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In message <38A327A2.28977286@netzero.net>, Pat Patera
<patpatera@netzero.net> writes
>The troopers in Moloch were feral. The one bad apple (who put their true
>commander in the stasis tank) could spoil the squad.

Actually, that's how I'd always interpreted that episode.
-- 
Julia Jones
Redemption 01 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
23-25 February 2001, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/

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