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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 36
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Fwd: Re:FC:Cukt TV
Re: [B7L] Cult TV 2000
[B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too)
Re: [B7L] Beatles 7
[B7L] bullies
Re: [B7L] bullies
[B7L] PGPs
Re: Sources (was Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part Three))
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:19:31 -0800 (PST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Carolan?= <carolan7@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Fwd: Re:FC:Cukt TV
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Steve Rogerson said,
"Though it's sad that Paul will no longer be at Cult
TV, I can't help thinking about what the work
committment is for late October that he knows about
already. Could it be he's got the green light (ie the
money) for the B7 film?"
Cukt TV....is that Klingon TV, Steve <g>
Sorry to disappoint you,it isn't the B7 film. Paul's
Corporate Entertainment company has got a booking. His
letter to Cult TV is on file at their Onelist and
available to members, so nosey old me just had to
look.
Carolan
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Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:43:28 -0000
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cult TV 2000
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I keep forgetting to change the reply address, since with freeserve it's
the bit after the @ that's unique to each user...
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> From: Carolan <carolan7@yahoo.com>
>
> News for anyone going to (or thinking of going to)
> CULT TV in Torquay 27-30 0ct 2000....They have just
> announced that Paul Darrow won't be a guest after all,
> as he's working that weekend.
> But don't let that put you off going...
OTOH, Paul Cornell is going - *do* let that put you off...
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:17:31 -0500
From: Cam MacLeod <cmacleod@ilap.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Servalan's Manipulations (was Animals.. me too)
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<i>Pat P wrote:</i><i></i>
<p><i>What if there were certain 'embarassments' Servalan/Sleer wanted
to be</i>
<br><i>rid of? Federation citizens that she could not have (legally)</i>
<br><i>eliminated. People who knew things about her. How convenient if
she</i>
<br><i>could program Avon to visit these folks. How even more convenient
if</i>
<br><i>such encounters resulted in the untimely demise of those persons?</i>
<br><i>Persons such as: Dr. Mueller, Dr. Plaxton, the rotund Space Princess</i>
<br><i>Purser (Gold), the crooked miner (Games), Dr. Egrorian, Zukan, (the
list</i>
<br><i>of 4th season fatalities is a long one) ... Blake!</i>
<p>I find this idea totally fascintating - and completely believable. The
idea that Servalan was "running" Avon throughout the 4th season seems entirely
possible to me given the enormous co-incidences about the people they were
both interested in and those people's previous personal involvement with
Servalan.
<p>But, it seems entirely possible Servalan could have been manipulating
the ENTIRE "resistance" including our crew. This would in keeping with
B7 precedent - The President of the Federation controlled the Terra
Nostra in the 2nd season ("To have total control you must control totally,
both sides of the law."). And it would nicely tie in with Avon's
own wrenching history with Anna ("stayed close and let you run").
<p>Use the rebels to further your own ambition of achieving Federation
power, make sure the rebels don't really achieve much, eliminate some pesky
figures from your past, control one of your enemies, AND become rich in
the process...Seems like a PERFECT Servalan plot to me.
<p>Just think of the evil glee she would have just waiting for the perfect
moment to reveal all to Avon in her moment of victory. What a wonderful
plot idea!
<p>Cam.</html>
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:51:59 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Beatles 7
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>From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
>Sleer and her minions can be the Blue Meanies.
Oh God, I can see that - Servalan yelling "Smash them, glove"; and Jarriere
reappearing as the clueless Max, being beaten until he remembers that
affirmative answers require a "No, Your Blueness".
Regards
Joanne
(grinning)
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:32:24 -0800
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] bullies
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Mistral wrote:
>[ObB7: Does it strike others, as it strikes me,
>that the job of Federation Trooper attracts bullies?
>Does the screening process hunt for this trait or is it a result of the training?
>Is that a commentary on modern law-enforcement types?]
Travis was a bully when he tortured Cally. When he massacred the
peaceful Freedom Party gathering. When he tormented his mutoid 'friend'.
But he can't hold a candle to Super bully Servalan/Sleer. It is
unconsionable the way she abuses her position in instances too numerous
to list.
Except for Travis who, admittedly, gets 90% of Federation Trooper screen
time, few of the 'force' seem like bullies. First we meet baby doll
curly locks Ray (Seek Locate Destroy). In Rumours, we get to know the
philosophical palace guards, i.e. "Some days are better than others,
Trooper (Smith)" Courtroom guards Trooper Parr and pal seemed pleasant
enough (Trial). Even Old Starkiller seemed reasoned and fair. A slave to
tradition. Remember how he paused to adjust Trooper Parr's collar pin.
Likewise, the Major (Tharnia?) in Trial. She did not hold herself above
the law, as Servalan did.
Now in today's police state in the US, merrily tossing non violent
offenders in jail (for taking a toke) it's a different story. A law
teacher mentioned the time he asked a survivor of Nazi Germany, 'At what
point did you realize what your nation was becoming?" The answer: "When
our peace officers looked like soldiers."
Cops in the US look mightily scary, in their jackboots, helmets and dark
shades; an arsenal of weapons on the belt; big snarly German shephard
dogs on leash; billy club in hand. Get the picture? I believe the
'fashion accessories' of the force attract bullies who feel they need
all these 'power gadgets' to impose their will on others.
On New Year's Eve at the downtown fireworks, there was a full platoon of
such helmeted, be-dogged, weapon-bedraped decked-out goons marching
about in their high black jack boots. Heil Hitler wannabes?
Pat P
PS Mistral, you must type about 400 words a minute to type so much!
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Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:37:50 -0700
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] bullies
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Yo Pat,
Servalan, you're right, is a great big bully. A great petite bully, at any
rate. But as for...
>Courtroom guards Trooper Parr and pal seemed pleasant
>enough (Trial).
...allow me to quote Trooper Par on the gunning down of 'unarmed civilians'.
"THANIA: Trooper Par? Do you think he's guilty?
PAR: No doubt about it, Major. He gave the order. We just did the shooting."
Not a 'bully' perhaps but 'pleasant' would not be one of the adjectives
that springs to *my* mind.
The cop comments, now them I ain't touching with a ten-foot truncheon.
--Penny "Shot Both Sides" Dreadful
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:00:37 -0800
From: "Sarah Thompson" <sthompson162@mindspring.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] PGPs
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I'm working my way through J. Kel's "Pattern of Infinity," downloaded from
the online B7 fan fiction archive (can't remember the url off the top of my
head, but you can get there easily from Judith's web page). It's long and
complicated, and I'm enjoying it a lot so far. There have been all kinds of
interesting plot twists, including various deaths and resurrections, and I
can't begin to imagine how it is all going to end.
Has anyone else read this novel yet, and what did you think? Reading this
soon after Gillian Marsden's "Chameleons" has gotten me thinking about PGPs.
(Er, that's Post Gauda Prime, aka Series 5, for anyone new to B7 fanfic
jargon.) Do most fans enjoy them? More or less than other genres of fan
fiction? What constitutes an especially good one?
(By the way, this is =not= the same story as Ana Dorfstad's "Pattern of
Infinity" in the =Enarrarre= B7 special, another excellent story-- and
zine-- that I hope will be reprinted or put on line soon.)
Sarah T.
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 04:33:37 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Subject: Re: Sources (was Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part Three))
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> >All reporting is inevitably biased; based simply on the law
> > of averages, the majority of (free) media reporting should therefore
> > be biased in favour of majority opinion (and thus reinforce trends,
> > whether good or ill, true or false), wouldn't you say?
>
> The oft-touted myth of the objective journalist has, IMO, provoked a
> countermyth, namely the myth of the myth of the objective journalist. IOW,
> exactly the kind of simplistic black-and-white view of the world that the
> tabloids like to peddle. Journalism can strive towards objectivity, even if
> it can never attain it.
<snicker> So reluctant to agree that you must first contradict me,
and then contradict yourself? And I thought I was perverse! FTR,
the black-and-white/shades of grey dichotomy is just more of the
same. The world is a bit of both, and it is possible to distinguish
between shades of grey.
> The tone was definitely intentional, and mainly because I found myself
> disagreeing with you even more than usual:)
Would've been my guess. Irreconcilable viewpoints. Shall we meet
in the forest at dawn with pointy sticks? I'll bring my mutoid.
Mistral
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"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
--Galen, 'Crusade'
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