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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 268
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing? [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction [ "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.con ]
[B7L] 10 hour warning - eBay Blakes [ Bizarro7@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones. ]
Re: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: edit [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
[B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible. [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Pherber@aol.com ]
[B7L] Re: Anna Grant [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Re: ballpoint vs biro [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing? [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
[B7L] Typesetting preferences [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing? [ Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org. ]
Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction [ Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie> ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.c ]
Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ mistral@centurytel.net ]
Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences [ Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana. ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible. [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
RE: [B7L] Re-Introduction [ Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinte ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible. [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
[B7L] Rumours of Death question [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Rumours of Death question [ padme@bantha.org (Clavda) ]
Re: [B7L] Re: phone messages (was ed [ "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com ]
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:42:29 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing?
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Alison wrote:
> And so-on in familiar vein. Anyway, you can guess why I am posting. Yes,
> when the guy is finally tracked down he is living under the alias
'Travis'.
>
> Is this a coincidence? We were talking on the other list about whether
one
> in a thousand people in the USA have even heard of Blakes 7, so it seems
> strange either way, either as coincidence or as deliberate reference.
What about De Niro's loony character in 'Taxi Driver'? Isn't he called
Travis?
> A further piece of evidence is that, completely inexplicably, when
'Travis'
> kills the guy he wants revenge on, he cuts his hand off post-mortem, and
> keeps it. The hand is never found and this action is never explained in
the
> plot, it's just a piece of gratuitous weirdness.
OK, can't explain that.
Una
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:50:37 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Pat C wrote:
> my favorite characters remain
> Blake, Avon and Cally and I am especially interested in the Blake-Avon
> dynamic as well as the political aspects of plot.
Sounds just what I'm interested in too, Pat. Good to have you here.
Una
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:52:54 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction
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Judith:
> I was watching Rumours of Death this morning on UK Gold (missed the scene
of
> Avon in the prison cell due to a bad connection on the back of the
satellite box
> <grrr>)
Grrr indeed.
> and was wondering if Anna Grant's revolution would have stood a chance
> if Avon hadn't arrived on the scene. (For the purposes of argument, one
can
> assume that Major Grenlee did/didn't get the alarm raised)
If the alarm was raised, the revolution is over. If the alarm didn't get
raised, I'd say she had a bloody good chance, if she could get the military
on side.
> And did Anna intend to sieze power herself or establish a 'people's
council'? I
> rather incline towards the former. She was cold-blooded and a good
actress.
But she talks about the People's Council *after* Hob has left the room -
she's talking about it to herself. Which leads me to believe that she meant
it. Anna is devious and murderous, but I always believed she was a patriot.
However, I'm sure she would have headed any People's Council.
Una
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:59:17 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] 10 hour warning - eBay Blakes 7 rare fanzine auction
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The next round of out-of-print Blakes 7 fanzines will be rolling off the
ongoing Ashton Press eBay auction page shortly. If you have a bid to defend
or intend to take a crack at picking up a classic, now's a good time to check
in. Some of these fanzines are over nearly 20 years old and all are original
editions. Some have legendary stories, authors and art from some of B7
fandom's finest. Have a peek at:
<A HREF="http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/">eBay View About Me for
ashton7</A>
(http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/)
Good luck!
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:37:41 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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In message <01C02627.BDF56550.tavia@btinternet.com>, Tavia Chalcraft
<tavia@btinternet.com> writes
>Kathryn commented that in the US:
>>phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes),
>
>In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ?
>
Australia. This sort of thing is why I use appropriate proofreaders -
for a pro story using a British-based sf background and submitted to an
American publisher, I sent it to an American beta-reader first to check
if there was anything that wouldn't make sense to Americans. It appears
that "soliciting" has a slightly different meaning in the US...
I'm moving to California later this year. I have this horrible feeling
that after a couple of years, I'm going to need British beta readers to
de-Americanise as well as de-Australianise my writing.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:53 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: editing)
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Kathryn Andersen said:
> Do you mean non-cannonical or non-contemporary?
I mean non-canonical--i.e., if I had Travis turn up in a
navy blue full-dress uniform with gold buttons, I'd be contradicting
canon. OTOH, if I sent Servalan off for a vacation on Macedoine-19,
I could say that the most important point of local etiquette is keeping
one's elbows covered at all times--and who could contradict me?
-(Y)
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:06:42 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible.
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>
> 2. On the subject of compulsive theiving, can anyone tell me a British bird
> that steals things?
>
I believe magpies are in Britain as well as all over the place. But Neil
is the expert for this and I should le t him answer.
As for Vila's non-adjustability-- they never followed up on that,
unfortunately. It seemed like something that should really be followed
up on. If the immunity was natural, there might be others; if it wasn't
*why* did his mental state always return to what was normal for it?
You'd think the Federation would want to study him... the possibilities
for storylines are endless.
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:53:46 EDT
From: Pherber@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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On Sun 24 Sep, mistral@centurytel.net wrote:
> I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their
> zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but
> don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What
> do others like?
I have a definite preference for spiral binding, pretty much for the same
reasons others have mentioned. I don't mind the tape & glue system, except
that sometimes the glue comes apart -- is there an easy way to fix that?
I've got several zines where I have to be careful because chunks of pages
have come loose.
Nina
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:12:49 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Anna Grant
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The mention of Anna's motives just brought a sudden bizarre thought to
my mind.
She told Avon, as she was dying, she did 'let him go'. That is, tried to
give him a chance, presumably by concealing some of what she knew so he
wouldn't get... what brainwashed?
Anyhow, what if she'd been as absolutely mad about him as he was about
her? He went through 5 days of torture to try to avenge her supposed
death. What if the real reason for her revolution was to Stop the
Federation siccing patrols after Her Beloved?
Crazy thought. Absolutely nasueatingly romantic. Must return to cynical
mode.
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:16:49 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: ballpoint vs biro
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Thank you all for your viewpoints on this.
A little more explanation on my part... the fact that his mum wrote him
a letter in ballpoint (or biro) rather than quill is the first hint the
reader gets that Severus Snape is not the Pureblood wizard his friends
assume. So contemporary English is appropriate.
Obviously, in a Blake's 7 story, they would not be likely to write with
ballpoints. After all, they believe fingers were made for pushing
buttons. (Poor Tarrant... I guess they don't allow doodling in Space
Commander class)
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Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:08:12 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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On Sun 24 Sep, Marian de Haan wrote:
> Mistral wrote:
> >I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their
> zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but
> don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What
> do others like?<
>
> I too prefer spiral bindings, because you can fold the zine back all the way
> and hold it easily in one hand. (I like to read in bed and zines you can't
> hold properly are a pain.) The next best thing are the small, stapled zines
> from Horizon and the Avon club. They're easy to hold, but sometimes they
> have too many pages for the staples, and the pages in the centre get loose.
> But that's something that can be fixed with a sharp needle and strong
> thread.
That's one reason why I let Star One go out of print (and Star Two is down to
six copies). There's too many pages for most staplers to handle easily. My
local copy shop can only staple 30 sheets with a centre staple. I used to use a
stapler at home for Star One, but it was a very old ex-office stapler that took
a size of staple that is no longer available.
Tavia, if you go for a digest zine, check how many pages can be stapled first
and then do a test copy of that many blank pages and toss it up in the air and
maltreat it a bit to see if you lose the centre pages. I've had it happen, but
with a slim volume it's not normally a problem. All Change is fine on that
score because it had fewer pages.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:49:16 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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Mistral wrote:
> I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their
> zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but
> don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What
> do others like?
I like Judith's fastback-bound zines (is that what it's called?) to look at
and hold, but spiral bound because they lie flat (and are easier to read in
the bath). For ttba, I may well buy a cheap binder, in which case the
driver will be the number of pages I end up with and what the el-cheapo
binder catalogues happen to offer me. I've seen binders offered for about
L80, but they may well be duff, I haven't investigated in detail. I may
have to spiral bind because of the number of pages (after all my
wibblings...)
Judith wrote:
>though if there was sufficient interest in another print run and Neil gave
me the masters for Stadler Link and Pressure Point, then I'd do those
stapled too as
>that's how Neil's always done them)
Someone should persuade Neil he really wants Judith to reprint these ...
>but if you go to a copy shop, you'll have to pay VAT if they only do the
binding. There is no VAT on books, but there is VAT on copying and binding
if done
>separately.
By the way, Judith, I would guess (as a limited company) I will be able to
reclaim the VAT ? God I hate UK tax law, but whether one charges VAT on the
output and whether one reclaims VAT on the input are two entirely
independent questions (I spent days making sense of their brochure but this
does seem to be the case). ie, If VAT on materials is a significant cost,
for a UK zine publisher, it might just be worth setting yourself up as a
limited company so that you can reclaim it. BUT then you'd probably have to
run your accounts through an accountant and unless you already do that for
some other reason, that would be expensive. [Sorry this is dull as
ditch-water to all non-UK people but there may be mileage in suggesting
forming a limited company simply for the purposes of reclaiming VAT to more
than one UK person on this list.]
Tavia
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:59:59 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing?
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You do seem to have a series of coincidences there, but Travis of itself is
a pretty common name. If I give my name by fax, I seem to have a roughly
equal likelihood of it coming back as Tania and Travis. I've even had
someone mail me back as Travis when I'd spoken to them on the phone.
Should I worry ?
Tavia
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:39:00 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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Someone recently suggested re ttba that, in typesetting an eclectic bunch
of stories, it would be nice to have different styles of typography/layout,
so for eg, a romantic, slushy story would get a different typographical
treatment from a hard-edged, violent story. Obviously one would have to
limit the total number of designs (3 or maybe 4) and make sure that they
fitted together well in the whole zine.
What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice
combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that might
work better for a webzine than a printzine?
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose are one
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:58:09 +0100
From: Alison Page <alison_page@becta.org.uk>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing?
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Una said -
>>What about De Niro's loony character in 'Taxi Driver'? Isn't he called
Travis?
Oh, yes, that's a much more likely explanation. Though the guy is more like
'our' Travis than the De Niro Travis, those few characteristics (like the
hand) are probably just coincidences. If it was an English book I might
think the other way.
Alison
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:04:01 +0000
From: Murray <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction
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Judith,
>I was watching Rumours of Death this morning on UK Gold (missed the scene of
>Avon in the prison cell due to a bad connection on the back of the
>satellite box
><grrr>) and was wondering if Anna Grant's revolution would have stood a chance
>if Avon hadn't arrived on the scene. (For the purposes of argument, one can
>assume that Major Grenlee did/didn't get the alarm raised)
>
>And did Anna intend to sieze power herself or establish a 'people's
>council'? I
>rather incline towards the former. She was cold-blooded and a good actress.
For a start, Grenlee _did_ raise the alarm, as we see him doing so after
the argument about what to do with Servalan. But even if he didn't, it
would not be possible to keep news of the coup from Servalan's main forces.
Let us presume that the Federation military have procedures for dealing
with military commanders who go insane or are captured, in terms of
refusing to obey that person's orders. If orders, proporting to come from
Servalan, come from Residence One ordering the military to hand over power
and to disarm, it would be a reasonable conclusion for those in command to
decide that she was either insane or captured. They would demand to see
Servalan in person. The few dozen rebels we saw weren't going to be able to
hald out for long, as happened in the episode.
Even in the episode, Servalan's prestige had already fallen to the extent
that I feel it was a factor in her eventual loss of power. After all,
Anna's coup had happened 'in her [Servalan's] own palace, on Earth, in what
should be the centre of her empire'.
Murray
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:35:50 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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Tavia Chalcraft wrote:
> Someone recently suggested re ttba that, in typesetting an eclectic bunch
> of stories, it would be nice to have different styles of typography/layout,
> so for eg, a romantic, slushy story would get a different typographical
> treatment from a hard-edged, violent story. Obviously one would have to
> limit the total number of designs (3 or maybe 4) and make sure that they
> fitted together well in the whole zine.
>
> What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice
> combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that might
> work better for a webzine than a printzine?
Icky DTP amateur ;-)
Well, if you're including typefaces in that. My primary concern is
readability. There's a reason that if you open a half-dozen books at
random, the typefaces all look pretty similar; a reason that italics draw
attention to themselves. (Try reading three or four pages of all italics.
Gives me a headache.) I prefer that the typeface not compete with
the story for my attention; I get deeply annoyed when I open a zine
and see the stories set in non-standard type.
If OTOH, you're talking about the typeface for titles, one column
vs. two, those kinds of layout issues, I think there's a lot more room
to play. I've seen some very nice work done with, say, two very
plain but distinct from each other typefaces in alternating stories,
or stories alternating one column and two. And I rather like tiny
little borders down the side of the page, or some such. It's only
trying to read stories in fancy fonts that drives me batty.
Just MHO,
Mistral
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:52:22 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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Clavda wrote:
> For individually strong episodes, I'd do SDL, Star One, Rumours, and
> Sand, Gold or Orbit. If I can do a fifth, Breakdown or Shadow. I have
> mixed feelings about Orbit for people who don't already know the
> characters well, but they'll definitely get a lot out of it, just not
> every drop of conflict and angst.
Oh *please, please* not Orbit! That's IMO as bad as (maybe worse
than) showing Blake (which many people will have heard about, even
if they haven't seen any B7). I can see Star One, that increases in
meaning the more one knows about the series, but the impact of Orbit
is in its shock value. You only get that the first time you see it; if you
don't have the background, you'll *never* get the full effect.
Mistral
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 05:02:17 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Judith & Una:
> > And did Anna intend to sieze power herself or establish a 'people's
> council'? I
> > rather incline towards the former. She was cold-blooded and a good
> actress.
>
> But she talks about the People's Council *after* Hob has left the room -
> she's talking about it to herself. Which leads me to believe that she meant
> it. Anna is devious and murderous, but I always believed she was a patriot.
> However, I'm sure she would have headed any People's Council.
Talking to herself, yes; but her manner has changed entirely as well.
From her tone of voice and facial expressions, I get the feeling she's
gloating over how easy it is to manipulate the rebels. I'm quite firmly
convinced she was using them to advance her own end, that being to
replace Servalan with herself as leader over a council of gullible puppets.
Mistral
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 05:56:36 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> Actually, on the rare occassions when someone does it this way, I
> prefer "perfect binding" I think it's called.
I've seen that advertised, but what is it exactly?
> Staples are only good if the zine isn't that thick, of course.
> They do have the advantage of being cheap, which is important if you
> want to bring the price of the zine down.
Oh, cheap is good. Durability is important, too, since zines can
sometimes get passed around and resold several times. I was
just thinking more in terms of what's most pleasurable to read.
Mistral
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--the third Doctor
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:50:20 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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Mistral wrote:
>My primary concern is readability.
For the sake of the discussion let's assume that all styles are intended
for readability. I would never put text longer than a few hundred words
into italics for a start...
Tavia
--When the fire and the rose are one
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:49:18 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:37:41 -0700 Julia Jones
<Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> writes:
> In message <01C02627.BDF56550.tavia@btinternet.com>, Tavia Chalcraft
> <tavia@btinternet.com> writes
> >Kathryn commented that in the US:
> >>phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes),
> >
> >In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ?
Oh, you mean they _really_ stop ringing? Wow, I don't think I've ever
had the patience to wait that long. I usually count four and wait for
the answering machine to come on (the horrible thought just hit of Avon
having an answering machine on the Liberator to take incoming calls
"Hello, you have just reached the offices of Roj Blake and his arm
twisted associates. None of us are available to take your call right now
which could mean fearless leader has once again got us trapped on some
miserable, swamp infested planet not meant to support human life but
which has nevertheless bred legions of man-eating monsters which we are
valiantly fighting off while he searches through the mud for the teleport
bracelets he just dropped along with the secret plans we spent the past
two, sleepless days trying to steal while Federation troops are taking
pot shots at us. Or it could mean none of us will bother answering the
phone. If you're still listening to this, you probably have a deluded,
masochistic idea that there are people in the universe who actually care
you exist. I've never seen any evidence to support anyone is that
altruistic, but you can stay on the line and leave a message, if you
really must. There's even a chance fearless leader will get back to you
with a straight forward answer, assuming he's still alive. There's a
first time for everything."
And Blake wondered why he had trouble getting recruits.)
> >
> Australia. This sort of thing is why I use appropriate proofreaders
>
> I'm moving to California later this year. I have this horrible
> feeling
> that after a couple of years, I'm going to need British beta readers
> to
> de-Americanise as well as de-Australianise my writing.
>
Deja vu. I've moved around a bit and can really confuse people with my
bits of dialect. Then there's all the historic, fantasy and sf novels I
read ("Avaunt! Thou thrice cursed son of a hedgehog!" really doesn't go
over well when you slip up and actually say it.).
Ellynne
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:57:29 +0100
From: Tavia Chalcraft <tavia@btinternet.com>
To: 'Lysator mailing list' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings
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Mistral asked about perfect binding.
It's essentially just normal journal/thick magazine binding with a proper
spine. It tends to assume that you've printed with a printing press (ie big
sheets of 8pp or 16pp or whatever, cut and trimmed), I think, rather than
essentially copied onto A4, as I think there's some margin loss associated.
Costs a packet too, as I recall.
Tavia
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:51:31 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Ellynne wrote:
> (the horrible thought just hit of Avon
> having an answering machine on the Liberator to take incoming calls
I dunno, Ellynne, this is Avon we're talking about. I'd be more
inclined to believe something like:
"You've reached the Liberator. No-one can be bothered to
speak to you at this time. Don't bother leaving your number -
unless you have a lucrative business deal, in which case call
my personal line at 555-AVON."
Even that might be a bit much. How about:
"Avon here. Don't call us, we'll call you - when Vila gets his
doctorate in astrophysics."
Mistral
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:01:40 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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In a message dated 9/25/00 4:41:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tavia@btinternet.com writes:
> Someone recently suggested re ttba that, in typesetting an eclectic bunch
> of stories, it would be nice to have different styles of
typography/layout,
> so for eg, a romantic, slushy story would get a different typographical
> treatment from a hard-edged, violent story. Obviously one would have to
> limit the total number of designs (3 or maybe 4) and make sure that they
> fitted together well in the whole zine.
>
> What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice
> combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that might
> work better for a webzine than a printzine?
Personally I dislike different typeface from story to story and varying
layout. I much prefer consistency in a zine. I think the typeface and layout
should be transparent to the reader, allowing the stories evoke the imagery.
BTW, you may sign me up on the campaign to persuade Neil to let Judith
reprint "Stadler Link" and "Pressure Point." They are too good to be OOP.
Morrigan
"I find sometimes it's easy to be myself; sometimes, it's better to be
somebody else." Dave Matthews
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:14:46 -0700
From: mistral@centurytel.net
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Rats! The galactic yo-yo strikes again, sorry Tavia.
Judith, Tavia:
> >though if there was sufficient interest in another print run and Neil gave
> >me the masters for Stadler Link and Pressure Point, then I'd do those
> >stapled too as that's how Neil's always done them)
>
> Someone should persuade Neil he really wants Judith to reprint these ...
<smug mode> Though I've already got my copies </smug mode>
I'm all for keeping zines available for newcomers. Neil's are quite
good. Someone call out the storm penguins! Una?
Anonymous
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:46:06 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Typesetting preferences
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On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 09:39:00AM +0100, Tavia Chalcraft wrote:
> Someone recently suggested re ttba that, in typesetting an eclectic bunch
> of stories, it would be nice to have different styles of typography/layout,
> so for eg, a romantic, slushy story would get a different typographical
> treatment from a hard-edged, violent story. Obviously one would have to
> limit the total number of designs (3 or maybe 4) and make sure that they
> fitted together well in the whole zine.
>
> What do people think? Does this make you think 'icky DTP amateur' or 'nice
> combination of prose and typography' ? Would this be something that might
> work better for a webzine than a printzine?
Keep it simple, keep it consistent. What I've done myself is keep all
the prose in the same font, and done the change of style for the
opening Title. So the title bit of a hard-edged violent story would
be in a hard-edged violent font, and the title bit of a romantic
slushy story would be a girly romantic kind of font. (I also use a
caligraphic font for the poetry, but as you aren't having any poetry,
that is a moot point.)
Kathryn Andersen
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:07:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible.
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On Mon 25 Sep, Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> As for Vila's non-adjustability-- they never followed up on that,
> unfortunately. It seemed like something that should really be followed
> up on. If the immunity was natural, there might be others; if it wasn't
> *why* did his mental state always return to what was normal for it?
> You'd think the Federation would want to study him... the possibilities
> for storylines are endless.
It seems possible that treatments did affect Vila - he was almost incapable of
using weapons close up. Remember him dropping the gun in Spacefall and I think
'Gold' is the only episode in the entire series where he shoots someone. Could
that have been a result of some kind of adjustment?
Maybe the original Vila was a violent thug as well as a thief?
He also spent time in prison and on a penal colony (if we take his word for it)
which suggests that whatever treatments he was given were either exaggerated by
him (why waste too much money on a petty thief - give him the cheap treatment
and if that doesn't work, pack him off) or else that the treatments were only
limited in effect in any case.
I get the impression that what was done to Blake was considered fairly radical,
so presumably was new/expensive.
Of course, there's the intriguing possibility that Vila had had no treatments at
all, but knew (via the underground grapevine) exactly what had been done to
Blake, and was trying to give Blake a hint that he knew and that he believed
Blake would be able to free himself from it eventually.
Or, if you want to get into large-scale conspiricy theories, Vila's presence in
that holding cell was no accident and he was placed there to help Blake should
the escape. (though this does not blend well with him dropping guns so I have
to discount that one unless I can get a really good theory together)
Judith
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:19:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction
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On Sun 24 Sep, Una McCormack wrote:
> Judith:
> > And did Anna intend to sieze power herself or establish a 'people's
> council'? I
> > rather incline towards the former. She was cold-blooded and a good
> actress.
>
> But she talks about the People's Council *after* Hob has left the room -
> she's talking about it to herself. Which leads me to believe that she meant
> it. Anna is devious and murderous, but I always believed she was a patriot.
> However, I'm sure she would have headed any People's Council.
She's talking to herself with a rather cynical smile on her face...
Helen said:
> The mention of Anna's motives just brought a sudden bizarre thought to my
> mind. She told Avon, as she was dying, she did 'let him go'. That is, tried to
> give him a chance, presumably by concealing some of what she knew so he
> wouldn't get... what brainwashed? Anyhow, what if she'd been as absolutely mad
> about him as he was about her? He went through 5 days of torture to try to
> avenge her supposed death. What if the real reason for her revolution was to
> Stop the Federation siccing patrols after Her Beloved?
Hm, no, don't buy that one. Not unless she was lying when she said she didn't
knkow if he was alive (which is possible, but I still don't buy it <grin>)
I think when she 'let him go' she meant that she didn't tell the authorities
about the exit visas. When Avon was ready to run, there was no point in
following his activities as he'd done all he was going to do on Earth. That was
the point when she should have declared the enhuiry closed and let them pull him
in. He should have been arrested when he went to get those visas and he wasn't.
She let him go.
I wonder where they did catch up with him. We know he used his visa a week
later and left (Del Grant said that he'd run) - how long was Avon on the run
for?
Judith
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:30:42 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: 'B7 Lysator' <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Re-Introduction
Message-ID: <01C0271F.487265A0@host62-7-72-10.btinternet.com>
Judith wrote in reply to Helen:
>>What if the real reason for her revolution was to
>> Stop the Federation siccing patrols after Her Beloved?
>Hm, no, don't buy that one. Not unless she was lying when she said she
didn't
>knkow if he was alive (which is possible, but I still don't buy it <grin>)
She also said that she heard there was someone with Blake but didn't dare
let herself hope. Maybe she wasn't 100% sure but she certainly had an idea
he was alive. Given the voice it was said in, the bit about not letting
herself hope was part of her girly flirting in the hope he would be too
busy snogging her to figure her out.
After he shoots her, she says that she knew he would kill her if he found
out. That implies a knowledge of him being alive to find out.
It's possible to make a case that at least part of Anna's motivations was
to protect Avon, but it would IMO be a small part :-) I don't believe for a
second that Anna was planning a People's Council, other than as a puppet
front to look good. The way she smiles when she says it, she's taking the
mickey out of naive, idealistic Hob and his friends.
Louise
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:47:36 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila the incorrigible.
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Judith wrote:
>It seems possible that treatments did affect Vila - he was almost incapable
of using weapons close up. Remember him dropping the gun in Spacefall and I
think 'Gold'<
Games
>is the only episode in the entire series where he shoots someone. Could
that have been a result of some kind of adjustment?<
I don't think so. To me his aversion to face-to-face violence (he's
perfectly happy to fire Liberator's blasters) seems natural and totally in
accordance with his character.
>Maybe the original Vila was a violent thug as well as a thief?
I can't really believe that (although I've read a story somewhere on the web
using that theme which worked so well I was able to accept that theory
there).
>He also spent time in prison and on a penal colony (if we take his word for
it)<
Which I'm inclined to do. It's when he starts boasting about having been up
for Space Captain and buying a low grade (contradicting his statement in
Shadow that he grew up amongst the Delta service grades) that I stop
believing him. :-)
>which suggests that whatever treatments he was given were either
exaggerated by him (why waste too much money on a petty thief - give him the
cheap treatment and if that doesn't work, pack him off) or else that the
treatments were only limited in effect in any case.<
He could have been considered a challenge - "We *will* cure this
cleptomaniac one way or another!"
Marian
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:29:43 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon)
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Mistral wrote:
>Oh *please, please* not Orbit! That's IMO as bad as (maybe worse
than) showing Blake (which many people will have heard about, even
if they haven't seen any B7). I can see Star One, that increases in
meaning the more one knows about the series, but the impact of Orbit is in
its shock value. You only get that the first time you see it; if you don't
have the background, you'll *never* get the full effect.
I agree, IMO Orbit will have the opposite effect of getting people hooked.
What will stay uppermost in the minds of non fans will not be so much Avon
being prepared to kill his only friend for his own survival, but the awful
OTT acting and ridiculous Egrorian. This episode seems to me very atypical
of B7 because it's almost a farce. I can't really for one moment take
Egrorian or the whole plot seriously.
Just IMHO of course.
Marian
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:00:40 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Rumours of Death question
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Speaking of Rumours of Death, it has one piece of dialogue I find confusing.
It occurs when they're in the teleport room with Shrinker after Avon has
gone to get cleaned up.
SHRINKER: What have I ever done to him?
DAYNA: You killed someone he loved.
VILA: And there aren't many of them about. Avon's not very a lovable
man...
Shouldn't that be 'loving' man instead of 'lovable'? Doesn't lovable mean
someone who can be loved rather than someone who does love? It feels to me
that Vila's use of the word lovable would have been correct if Dayna had
said: "You've killed someone who loved him." But the point here is that
Avon loved her, so is 'lovable' correct or not in this context?
You can see English isn't my first language :-)
Marian
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:08:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: padme@bantha.org (Clavda)
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Rumours of Death question
Message-Id: <20000925200819.11C8D66CA1@bantha.org>
"Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> wrote:
: You can see English isn't my first language :-)
Actually, no, it's a perfectly reasonable question from someone who's
a native speaker. You're right, strictly speaking, and I always
notice it when I watch that episode. But I think it slips by on the
implication that love is a reciprocal thing.
Which of course, is the big question of the episode--*was* their
love a reciprocal thing?
Claudia
--
"Regret is a part of being alive, but keep it a small part."
"As you do?"
"Demonstrably." -- Avon and Cally, Blakes 7
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:24:23 GMT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: phone messages (was editing)
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Mistral wrote:
<I dunno, Ellynne, this is Avon we're talking about.>
Brrrrrring ...
Brrrrrring ...
"This is the Liberator. GO AWAY."
(PS - I did love your suggestion, though, Ellyne.)
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