From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V00 #267 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume00/267 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 267 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ "Dana Shilling" ] [B7L] Re-Introduction [ Sestina94@aol.com ] Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: editing) [ Kathryn Andersen ] [B7L] a couple of questions ... [ "Sally Manton" ] RE: [B7L] Zine Bindings [ Louise Rutter ] Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon [ padme@bantha.org (Clavda) ] Re: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: edit [ "J MacQueen" ] Re: [B7L] Re: editing [ Kathryn Andersen To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing Message-ID: <003a01c025ca$1df52340$706a4e0c@dshilling> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny, I just e-mailed an editor about this. Helen Krummenacker said: > > > As a writer who generally is prose-protective, I would like to say this > is the kind of editing I love. > A friend explained to me I should have Severus Snape refer to a > ballpoint pen as a 'biro'. That's a Britisicsm I did not know the > meaning of until a few days ago, and I was quite grateful. For all my > Anglophiliac reading, I can only know so much about another culture. It's true that contemporary Britons write with "biros" but I'm not sure that, say, citizens of Albian will not write with "inkscratchers," "lectrostats," "styli," or for that matter "ballpoint pens." This is especially true for fanfics in non-canonical settings. -(Y) > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:15:39 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing Re: [B7L] Re: editing Re: [B7L] Re: editing Re: [B7L] Re: editing Re: [B7L] Re: editing Message-ID: <39CD55BB.494E@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > IMHO, one should just leave the spelling to one's native spelling, and > only worry about turns of phrase and vocabulary issues and other > culture-specific items. Actually, since I grew up on English books I prefer colour to color and so forth. (Although other spelling differences like shew instead of show don't seem as natural so I suppose I'm only being inconsistent.) I used to get marked down on school papers because I couldn't remember to write like an American-- but I would always try to argue that I used good English on my paper, just not good American. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:31:26 EDT From: Sestina94@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re-Introduction Message-ID: <9c.7896d10.26fecf8e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, Just a quick note to re-introduce myself to the list (I've recently re-joined) and to send warm greetings to B7 fans one and all. My name is Pat C. and I'm and English Teacher living in New Jersey, USA. I first saw B7 in 1987 on public TV in Chicago where I was born and raised and have been a rabid fan ever since. It's only been in the last two years or so since I been connected to fandom online, but my favorite characters remain Blake, Avon and Cally and I am especially interested in the Blake-Avon dynamic as well as the political aspects of plot. I haven't written any fanfic but enjoy reading it and am probably a better analyst (critic and essayist) than a creative writer. Looking forward to reading and responding to some excellent posts. Yours in B7, Ses ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:42:15 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: editing) Message-ID: <20000924154215.C5877@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 09:47:21PM -0400, Dana Shilling wrote: > Funny, I just e-mailed an editor about this. > > Helen Krummenacker said: > > > > > A friend explained to me I should have Severus Snape refer to a > > ballpoint pen as a 'biro'. That's a Britisicsm I did not know the > > meaning of until a few days ago, and I was quite grateful. For all my > > Anglophiliac reading, I can only know so much about another culture. > It's true that contemporary Britons write with "biros" but I'm not sure > that, say, citizens of Albian will not write with "inkscratchers," > "lectrostats," > "styli," or for that matter "ballpoint pens." This is especially true for > fanfics in non-canonical settings. Do you mean non-cannonical or non-contemporary? I agree, in a far future setting like B7, a citizen of Albian could well write with a stylus -- and, indeed, it would seem odd to have a citizen of Albian write with a "biro" or a "ballpoint pen" -- they'd probably just write with a "pen". I never really worried about cultural phrases until I started writing in a fandom that had a contemporary US setting, and therefore I had to try to use Americanisms, and not unwittingly use Australianisms. Wheras with B7, I never really worried about it. I think, no matter what the setting, one needs to try to avoid using phrases and objects which are obviously out of place. But in a far-future setting, it's easier to tell what might be out of place, since what we see is what is there, wheras with a contemporary setting, there will be lots of things there that a non-native won't know about. With a far-future setting you have to try to avoid anything obviously contemporary, while, yes, keeping in mind the base culture (whether it be US or British or something else). But someone talking about a "biro" will look equally odd in B7 or in Trek, despite that one is British and the other is USA-ian. On the other hand a non-native in a contemporary setting can get tripped up by little things, like the fact that in the USA, phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes), or that newspapers are bought from vending machines, or all the different vocabularies, of food in particular. That is the kind of thing that only a native would spot. Kathryn Andersen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "I was tracking your movements through history. I wasn't expecting to run into you on Kings Cross station." "Something of a coincidence." "Isn't it just." -- Kadiatu and The Doctor (Doctor Who - the New Adventures: "Transit" by Ben Aaronovitch) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:38:58 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Star Four Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII There is something absolutely delightful about typing in proof corrections on a story whose entire point is it's lack of spelling and grammar . I'm doing Una's corrections for Neil's Molesworth story (which now has cartoons and ink blots contributed by Andrew Williams - Avon in NHS specs suspended upsidedown over a vat of acid has especial appeal) and it's fun putting a full stop after a line of deeply meaningful dialogue like "Grnnn hnarr nyaroowww". I should add that all the deliberate mistakes have been left in their pristine glory . The zine's almost there now. Around 120 pages and all the stories are in and most of the layout's done and I'm struggling through the proof corrections and Richard's helping clean up the scans of the artwork. If all goes well, a few more weeks should see it at the copy shop. Once that's safely done, I'll be looking for stories for a web zine. We're going to start a library on the hermit website. We're happy to have older out of print stories for the library and are also happy to have stories that appear elsewhere on the web. The aim will be to provide multiple ways of indexing the library so that people can select stories on the basis of author or content. If we get it right (and obviously if we have enough variety of material) you should be able to ask for humorous stories, or short stories, or even Post Gauda Prime stories that have Blake in them. We would also like new stories for 'The Hermit's Journal'. As readers will have the option of selecting or deselecting adult stories (ie. you can say you don't want to see adult material and they'll never even appear on the selection offered), we're happy to consider stories of any nature. If you've a story you'd like to submit, drop me a line. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:49:27 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "B7 List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: <001501c025fb$f823f920$0cef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mistral wrote: >I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What do others like?< I too prefer spiral bindings, because you can fold the zine back all the way and hold it easily in one hand. (I like to read in bed and zines you can't hold properly are a pain.) The next best thing are the small, stapled zines from Horizon and the Avon club. They're easy to hold, but sometimes they have too many pages for the staples, and the pages in the centre get loose. But that's something that can be fixed with a sharp needle and strong thread. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:40:43 GMT From: "Sally Manton" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] a couple of questions ... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Could anyone tell me - 1. In The Way Back, Vila says "I've had my head adjusted by some of the best in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted." Does anyone recall any other canonical references to this - in particular (since this indicates it was tried more than once) how many times or how seriously Vila was 'adjusted'? (I;'ve always assumed that he didn't get the full treatment Blake did, as a petty criminal rather than a political, but have realised I don't seem to have *proof* of that). 2. On the subject of compulsive theiving, can anyone tell me a British bird that steals things? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:21:14 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] a couple of questions ... Message-ID: <003901c02608$c9d8db00$0cef72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sally asked: >Could anyone tell me - >1. In The Way Back, Vila says "I've had my head adjusted by some of the best in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted." >Does anyone recall any other canonical references to this - in particular (since this indicates it was tried more than once) how many times or how seriously Vila was 'adjusted'? (I;'ve always assumed that he didn't get the full treatment Blake did, as a petty criminal rather than a political, but have realised I don't seem to have *proof* of that).< It's one of those things that are brought up and then never mentioned again. >2. On the subject of compulsive theiving, can anyone tell me a British bird that steals things?< A question for Neil, methinks :-) Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:55:36 +-100 From: Louise Rutter To: 'B7 Lysator' Subject: RE: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: <01C0260E.779AB880@host213-1-187-136.btinternet.com> Mistral wrote: >I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their >zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but >don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What >do others like? The same, for the same reasons. I find it really helps if a zine lies flat voluntarily as I often read them in bed. Louise ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:00:50 +-100 From: Louise Rutter To: 'B7 Lysator' Subject: RE: [B7L] a couple of questions ... Message-ID: <01C0260E.79FE9920@host213-1-187-136.btinternet.com> >1. In The Way Back, Vila says "I've had my head adjusted by some of the >best in the business. But it just won't stay adjusted." As far as I can remember, this was never mentioned again - probably best to double check with the Sevencyclpaedia on Judith's site. >2. On the subject of compulsive theiving, can anyone tell me a British bird >that steals things? Traditionally, that's a magpie - and they definitely have a keen interest in anything shiny. Louise ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:02:41 +0100 From: Tavia Chalcraft To: 'Lysator mailing list' Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing Message-ID: <01C02627.BDF56550.tavia@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re various posts relating to the ballpoint pen vs biro question Actually this particular English culture vulture would call the icky devices either with equal facility -- if, that is, she owned one. I truly hope that they don't survive another 10 years let alone nearly that many centuries, however. In one recent story I tried to give the impression that Avon essentially wrote with a stylus on some kind of super palm pilot thingummygubbins. This is really tricky, I never realised there were so many differences between US and UK cultures till I started this doomed little game-ette. I agree with Dana and Kathryn, the best ploy in Blake's Seven seems to be to try to avoid too many overtly 21st Century references and make things up whole cloth. Kathryn commented that in the US: >phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes), In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ? Tavia --When the fire and the rose (and the US and UK spelling) are one ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:32 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: <20000924224132.B7324@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 04:46:50PM -0700, mistral@centurytel.net wrote: > I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their > zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but > don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What > do others like? Actually, on the rare occassions when someone does it this way, I prefer "perfect binding" I think it's called. Or staples with bound edges (or those plastic strips on the spine). That's because they sit better in my shelves, and inside my bag when I'm reading them. I don't tend to lay them out flat when I'm reading them, but read them like a book. I don't like the way comb bindings get tangled up with each other, and stick out wider than the actual zine. And I agree that the pages don't seem to turn as easily with comb. Spiral bindings are a good compromise. (Thought I'd pipe up because everyone seems to go for spiral bindings, and I thought I'd better reveal that not everyone thinks that way.) Staples are only good if the zine isn't that thick, of course. They do have the advantage of being cheap, which is important if you want to bring the price of the zine down. Kathryn Andersen (who uses staples) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Try to look on the bright side. It must have something. None of the guests have ever left early. In fact, none of them have ever left at all." -- Vila Restal, on Cygnus Alpha (Blake's 7: The Way Back [A1]) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:53:04 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] is this a sneaky B7 thing? Message-ID: <005601c02650$7acbf540$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just been reading a 'police procedural' thriller, set in rural Iowa, about a sheriff's deputy investigating a multiple murder in a remote farmhouse. It's written by a guy who actually *was* a sheriff's deputy in rural Iowa, so you get the picture. Anyway, the whole book is about the search for this total psychopath. Here are some of the descriptions of him, from witnesses. 'ex-military, a complete sociopath' 'a killing machine' 'moves like a cat.. very fast' 'withdrawn from human society' 'bears a grudge' 'driven by the need for revenge' And so-on in familiar vein. Anyway, you can guess why I am posting. Yes, when the guy is finally tracked down he is living under the alias 'Travis'. Is this a coincidence? We were talking on the other list about whether one in a thousand people in the USA have even heard of Blakes 7, so it seems strange either way, either as coincidence or as deliberate reference. A further piece of evidence is that, completely inexplicably, when 'Travis' kills the guy he wants revenge on, he cuts his hand off post-mortem, and keeps it. The hand is never found and this action is never explained in the plot, it's just a piece of gratuitous weirdness. So, am I seeing B7 where it is not, or not? Alison ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:39:48 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 24 Sep, mistral@centurytel.net wrote: > I'm curious as to what sort of bindings people prefer on their > zines and why? I like the spiral bound because they lie flat, but > don't break or crimp the pages as easily as comb-bound. What > do others like? I prefer spiral to comb binding. The corners of combs can be rather sharp, and I do think spiral binding is less damaging to the pages, though you do still get some damage. If you own a binder, then that may make cost the deciding factor as to what is used. Staples are the cheapest form, but they make it a real pig to open the pages. I only do two stapled zines - Cheeseboard and Coin (though if there was sufficient interest in another print run and Neil gave me the masters for Stadler Link and Pressure Point, then I'd do those stapled too as that's how Neil's always done them) I use fastback binding myself. That's a glue binding, rather like a paperback book, with a tape along the spine. That has the pro of the zines almost never getting damaged because they pack really well in boxes and on shelves, but they don't open flat as nicely as spiral bound zines. Having a choice of tape colour can be a bonus when designing the overall look of the zine. Digest zines are best with a centre staple. The argument there is over whether you trim the page edges or not. Trimmed looks neater when the zine is closed, but when you read the stories, the margin size gradually changes and I find that a bit disconcerting. There's also the kind of thermal binding where you use a plastic cover that has the glue for the spine already in it. They can look quite nice and appear the same as fastback binding at first sight. I've listed all the ones I know about and their pros and cons for publishers as well as readers for Tavia's benefit as it's quite a maze deciding what to use. The things to take into account are readability, appearance and cost (and VAT in the UK can have unexpected effects upon the latter). Judith PS. Tavia, when deciding what bindings to use, find what your office can offer. YOu may find your options very restricted there, but if you go to a copy shop, you'll have to pay VAT if they only do the binding. There is no VAT on books, but there is VAT on copying and binding if done separately. -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:14:22 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re-Introduction Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello Pat, Great to see you back again! I remember your interests in the political aspects. I was watching Rumours of Death this morning on UK Gold (missed the scene of Avon in the prison cell due to a bad connection on the back of the satellite box ) and was wondering if Anna Grant's revolution would have stood a chance if Avon hadn't arrived on the scene. (For the purposes of argument, one can assume that Major Grenlee did/didn't get the alarm raised) And did Anna intend to sieze power herself or establish a 'people's council'? I rather incline towards the former. She was cold-blooded and a good actress. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:16:54 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] more Brian Croucher Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII It's a busy year for Brian Croucher... He'll be appearing in panto playing Alderman Fitzwarren and the Sultan of Morocco in Dick Whittington at the Palace Theatre, Alcester St, Redditch, Worcester from Tues Decembe2 12 to Sunday January 7. box office 01527 65203 Thanks to Alan Stevens for the above. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:22:47 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Peter Miles Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Peter Miles who played Secretary Rontane in two Blakes 7 episodes (and was interviewed in Zenith) will be peforming in 'The Great American Songbook' at Wimbledon Theatre on Sunday 8th October at 8pm. tickets are 10 -12 pounds and the box office number is 0208 5400362 Thanks to Alan Stevens for the above. Alan's not totally sure what sort of music it covers, but says he's sure Peter has sung jazz at some point and that he'd expect a wide range of American songs from past to present. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:42:47 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Cc: Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Cult TV Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Martin Bower is no longer able to make Cult TV this year, but Gareth Thomas (Blake), Stephen Greif (Travis1) and Roger Murray Leach (production designer) are still fine. It's usually a good weekend. A con I'd recommend even if it didn't have B7 guests. See www.culttv.net or follow the link from my website. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:17:46 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 24 Sep, Helen Krummenacker wrote: > > IMHO, one should just leave the spelling to one's native spelling, and > > only worry about turns of phrase and vocabulary issues and other > > culture-specific items. > > Actually, since I grew up on English books I prefer colour to color and > so forth. (Although other spelling differences like shew instead of show > don't seem as natural so I suppose I'm only being inconsistent.) Well, that's what I call 'Jane Austen' English - 'show' is the norm in the UK in any case, so you are being consistent . Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.knightwriter.org ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:06:11 +0200 From: Jacqueline Thijsen To: 'Lysator mailing list' Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000924210056.009daab0@pop3.wish.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 13:02 24-9-00 +0100, Tavia Chalcraft wrote: >Kathryn commented that in the US: > >phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes), > >In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ? In Holland the phones stop ringing after 15 times. (You'd start counting, too, if you were bored enough.) I don't know why they do this, but I think it's bloody annoying. Especially when you're trying to call an office when you *know* someone's there, but they just don't feel like answering the phone. Jacqueline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:24:35 +0200 From: "Marian de Haan" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: <001401c0265d$18f50a20$cbed72c3@marian-de-haan.multiweb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith wrote: >Staples are the cheapest form, but they make it a real pig to open the pages. I only do two stapled zines - Cheeseboard and Coin (though if there was sufficient interest in another print run and Neil gave me the masters for Stadler Link and Pressure Point, then I'd do those stapled too as that's how Neil's always done them)< Well, I'd be interested in Stadler Link. (I was very glad to obtain one of the last copies of Pressure Point - lots of good stories IMO.) >I use fastback binding myself. That's a glue binding, rather like a paperback book, with a tape along the spine. That has the pro of the zines almost never getting damaged because they pack really well in boxes and on shelves, but they don't open flat as nicely as spiral bound zines.< I consider this the worst kind of binding. You need two hands and sometimes a lot of force to keep the pages open, which makes it impossible to read the zine in bed. Also, some of my fastback bound zines have the printing so far towards the inner margin that the text almost disappears under the binding, which makes them difficult to read under any circumstances. Personally, having not much money to spend on zines, I prefer the cheapest form. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: padme@bantha.org (Clavda) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Selected episodes (Vericon) Message-Id: <20000924194130.3CC5A66CA4@bantha.org> Thank you very much, everyone who chimed in on this question. I haven't actually re-watched much of the series lately (in anticipation of our group going through the series over this academic year, starting Tuesday right after the Buffy/Angel season premiere *grin*), but I know that there are folks here who can argue the pros and cons of every episode in wonderful detail. [ In trying to reach a decision, I've found I have very mixed loyalties. I have to choose what's best for the con-goers, but I'm very reluctant to spoil anything for the people volunteering the con who will be around the end of season two by that point. ] [ On the other hand, if this con is going to run at all well, they won't have time to be in the video room, particularly at specific hours if I warn them off. So okay, I'll dismiss that worry. :) But I find that I was worried about spoiling intense character moments (Rumours, City, Terminal) rather than plot points (character deaths, season transitions). ] So first off, I guess I *have* to show Star One (oh the torture!). Thanks to everyone, and especially to Una for Camille Bacon-Smith's comments on the subject. So now the question is whether to do it with the couple episodes before or the couple episodes after, to give several early episodes to give Star One a context, or to give people a smattering of all four seasons. Judith commented that very few people are going to sit in a video room for several hours straight at a con, so I'll give up on continuous shots except for maybe the first two episodes. I'm interested that a few folks recommended Redemption. It works well with Orac, but I've always found the Altas more than usually cheesy for Blake's 7. Of course, I mentioned Orac-Redemption as a possibility myself. Well. For a plot-wise introduction to the series, I think I'd do The Way Back-Space Fall, Seek-Locate-Destroy, Star One (then perhaps Death-Watch, Sand or Gold if I can sneak in a fifth episode). This gives short shrift to the later characters, but gives us Servalan and Travis, and individually strong episodes (I'm not sure many third or fourth season episodes really work excellently in isolation). For individually strong episodes, I'd do SDL, Star One, Rumours, and Sand, Gold or Orbit. If I can do a fifth, Breakdown or Shadow. I have mixed feelings about Orbit for people who don't already know the characters well, but they'll definitely get a lot out of it, just not every drop of conflict and angst. So there's my choice. Further feedback is welcome, but I think I'll just wait a few days and one or the other will jump out at me. I notice no-one selected Breakdown, which I consider a strong episode-- except for the awkward laughter at the end and that poor David Jackson didn't get to actually act much. It has fine Avon and (separately) Blake moments, that seem to me to get to the root of their tug-of-war without directly stating it. Jenna gets to be a real pilot. And I quite like Julian Glover. Am I missing something WRT this episode? Thanks again! Claudia -- "I like having something that's just mine." "I am, you know." "What?" "Yours." -- Willow and Tara, 'Who Are You?' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:30:47 EST From: "J MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Cultures (was Re: [B7L] Re: editing) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Kathryn Andersen >don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes), or that >newspapers are bought from vending machines, That reminds me of something I read in one of the papers - an American saw a box marked Australia Post and went looking for money, only to find it was for sending letters. I'm not sure we go in for "Post" as part of Australian newspaper mastheads. Plenty of "Herald"s, though. Regards Joanne (slightly sunburnt after a day at Olympic Park) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:39:14 -0500 From: "huh" To: "Lysator List" Subject: Re: [B7L] Zine Bindings Message-ID: <004c01c02680$a717d440$5e64e0d1@0z4g4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Well, I'd be interested in Stadler Link. (I was very glad to obtain one of > the last copies of Pressure Point - lots of good stories IMO.) I'd be intersted in both of these so if it ever comes up I'll be glad to buy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:12:46 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: editing Message-ID: <20000925081246.A9454@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 09:06:11PM +0200, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote: > At 13:02 24-9-00 +0100, Tavia Chalcraft wrote: > > >Kathryn commented that in the US: > > >phones don't ring out (that is, stop ringing after a few minutes), > > > >In which continent do they exhibit this strange feature ? > > In Holland the phones stop ringing after 15 times. (You'd start counting, > too, if you were bored enough.) I don't know why they do this, but I think > it's bloody annoying. Especially when you're trying to call an office when > you *know* someone's there, but they just don't feel like answering the phone. Ah, so they do it in Holland as well as Australia, do they? -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | \_.--.*/ | v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h" ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V00 Issue #267 **************************************