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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 211
Today's Topics:
Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:) [ mistral@ptinet.net ]
Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:) [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
[B7L] Neil's complaint [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Neil's complaint [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
Re [B7L] You boring bastards:) [ "Lysias" <lysias@apexmail.com> ]
RE: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:) [ "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.c ]
[B7L] Jackie Pearce contact info? [ Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> ]
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ]
[B7L] ADMIN: Just a test message... [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
Re: [B7L] ADMIN: Just a test message [ mistral@ptinet.net ]
Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:) [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
[B7L] Cally in Harvest [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: [B7L] Cally in Harvest [ mistral@ptinet.net ]
[B7L] Orbit [ "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl> ]
Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:) [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] Neil's complaint [ Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net> ]
Re: [B7L] Orbit [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:12:58 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:)
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Neil wrote:
> Yayyy, I'm on holiday. I've actually got time to answer every post I want
> to reply to, and think long and hard about what I'm going to say and
> construct arguments and stuff. So what's going down on the Lyst this week?
>
> Erm ... Croucher in swimwear ... Darrow in underwear ... B7 avatars in Harry
> Potter ... Scarlet Pimpernel ...
We're saving the good stuff for after you get back to the ratrace;
leaves you time to work on a fic :)
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:26:32 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:)
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> Neil wrote:
>
> > Yayyy, I'm on holiday. I've actually got time to answer every post I
want
> > to reply to, and think long and hard about what I'm going to say and
> > construct arguments and stuff. So what's going down on the Lyst this
week?
>
> >
> > Erm ... Croucher in swimwear ... Darrow in underwear ... B7 avatars in
> Harry
> > Potter ... Scarlet Pimpernel ...
>
> We're saving the good stuff for after you get back to the ratrace;
> leaves you time to work on a fic :)
Right you are, Mistral. Is this the man with no time to write fic or do
another zine? Perhaps you could commission a portrait of Cally for your
next zine <g>
When Lysator is busy, FC is quiet. This week FC's been busy, so ....
Morrigan
"When I get a little money I buy zines; and if any is left I buy food and
clothes."
(apologies to Erasmus)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:55 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> B7 avatars in Harry
> Potter
Well, the other books I've been reading the last few weeks have been
natural history. Which, other than Blake having an interest in, I just
can't seem to link to the show.
Was Ben Steed related to the Piltdown Man? (His skull looks human, but
when he moves his jaw, his dialogue is primitive)
Compare Servalan in "Children of Auron" to the wasps that lay their eggs
within paralyzed prey so her larval offspring will have food.
Nah. I just can't stretch Stephen Jay Gould into Blake's 7.
Except perhaps to speculate on Neil's desire to see Cally in a gorilla
suit.
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:38:39 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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Helen wrote:
> Was Ben Steed related to the Piltdown Man? (His skull looks human, but
> when he moves his jaw, his dialogue is primitive)
No, but it explains quite a bit about Jarvik...
Morrigan
"When I get a little money I buy zines; and if any is left I buy food and
clothes."
(apologies to Erasmus)
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:32:56 -0800
From: "Lysias" <lysias@apexmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Neil chastises the list for boring him...
>
>Maybe there's something to be said for resurrecting That Topic after al=
l.
>
Oh no, what ever appears again... not that...
<g>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:43:16 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:)
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Neil Faulkner said:
>Can I put in a request for any future issue of Zenith to
>include a full colour centrefold of Jan Chappell modelling a gorilla suit.
>Or failing that a pervy drawing of her wearing almost nothing with wires
>coming out of her head.
>Hang on, there already is one. On page 68. But her tits are too big.
That's not Jan Chappell, you fool, that's Nichola Bryant! It just shows how
many observant heterosexual males that are on Lysator, you're the first
person to mention the "Cyber-porn" on page 68. By the way, this was banned
from H40 as well. Not just the picture of Peri with her norks out, but the
entire article that surrounded it!
Alan (At *very* butch Andy's, but going home tomorrow)
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Date: Tue Jul 25 12:34:20 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Jackie Pearce contact info?
Message-Id: <200007251138.MAA21045@smtp.uk2net.com>
As many of you know, I have the honour of sharing a house with a Jackie
Pearce/Servalan obsessive. She's got a birthday coming up in a couple of months
(and I've heard it takes JP forever to reply to mail, so I want to get on with
this) - I'd really like to send Jackie P a card to sign for her.
1. Would this be really cheeky?
2. Does anyone have Jackie Pearce's agent's address or other contact info? I
had a quick look round Judith's site and the Horizon site but couldn't find
anything useful.
Love,
Ika
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:23:13 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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Jacqueline wrote:
>Maybe we should have Andy throw in some similar =
>piccies of Steven Pacey, which should gain us the =
>support of the Tarrant Nostra. Any of the others =
>would we acceptable, too (like Michael Keating, for =
>instance). Except for Stephen Greif, of course.
[Putting up hand hopefully] Harry Jones?
Harriet
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Date: 25 Jul 2000 17:37:21 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] ADMIN: Just a test message...
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...since one of the other admins at Lysator chose to change the mail
server to another machine (Sun to SGI), another operating system
(Solaris to Irix) _and_ another software (sendmail to Postfix) while I
was away on a cruise, and I want to make sure the mailing list still works.
--
Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se
This posting is protected by a Whizzo Brand Fnord Filter (TM).
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:07:29 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] ADMIN: Just a test message...
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Calle Dybedahl wrote:
> ...since one of the other admins at Lysator chose to change the mail
> server to another machine (Sun to SGI), another operating system
> (Solaris to Irix) _and_ another software (sendmail to Postfix) while I
> was away on a cruise,
Did you see Pyrrhus and the Stardust Blizzard Field? And if so,
did you have chemical help?
> and I want to make sure the mailing list still works.
Only if the post has underwear; or if the poster does, it's not quite clear...
> This posting is protected by a Whizzo Brand Fnord Filter (TM).
Created by the local Whizzo computer feend, no doubt.
Mistral
(Too much time on my hands, and it's t-ticking away...)
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:48:53 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:)
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Neil asked:
>In the meantime, can I put in a request for any future issue of Zenith to
include a full colour centrefold of Jan Chappell modelling a gorilla suit.
Didn't we see that in Terminal? What, they hired extras to play the links?
Bugger, I thought it were the regulars having a bit of fun! :-)
Marian
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:29:24 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Cally in Harvest
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All right, let's indulge Neil by starting some *serious* B7 discussion.
The thing that riles me most in Harvest of Kairos (even more than the silly
macho behaviour of that pig Jarvik and Avon's uncharacteristic disregard for
his own and Liberator's safety) is the scene where Tarrant interrupts Cally
and Avon when they're studying the Sopron. Tarrant grabs Cally's arm,
pulling her away quite roughly, and she doesn't react al all!
I know her character has mellowed since S1 but still I'd expect her
warrior's instinct to take over here, making her defend herself
automatically. So why doesn't she take him in a judo grip, throw him over
her shoulder and tell him his manners need improving? I can't imagine Avon
wanting to stop her :-)
Later she's suffering from the same inertia when she stands watching the
fight between Dayna and Jarvik. Doesn't it occur to her to give Dayna a
hand? The only explanation I can think of is that Vila secretly fed her
some soma to soften her up for a bit of frolicking while Avon's distracted
by his pet rock. :-)
Can anyone think of a better explanation?
Marian
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:03:08 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally in Harvest
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Marian de Haan wrote:
> All right, let's indulge Neil by starting some *serious* B7 discussion.
I'm afraid this is character-centric; I don't think that falls under Neil's
definition of serious. OTOH, it is about Cally...
> The thing that riles me most in Harvest of Kairos (even more than the silly
> macho behaviour of that pig Jarvik and Avon's uncharacteristic disregard for
> his own and Liberator's safety) is the scene where Tarrant interrupts Cally
> and Avon when they're studying the Sopron. Tarrant grabs Cally's arm,
> pulling her away quite roughly, and she doesn't react al all!
I thought she was quite disturbed by her encounter with the Sopron,
and too distracted by that to pay attention to Tarrant. YMMV.
> Later she's suffering from the same inertia when she stands watching the
> fight between Dayna and Jarvik. Doesn't it occur to her to give Dayna a
> hand?
Well, maybe as a warrior, she's honouring the concept of single
combat, which is what Jarvik and Dayna had agreed on. She
didn't seem pleased about it, but why would she interfere with
Dayna's choice?
> The only explanation I can think of is that Vila secretly fed her
> some soma to soften her up for a bit of frolicking while Avon's distracted
> by his pet rock. :-)
>
> Can anyone think of a better explanation?
Not better, just different.
Mistral
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:36:16 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Orbit
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I've been tormenting myself yesterday by watching Orbit, one of my least
favourite episodes. It always makes me wonder what the director was
thinking - that he was doing a pantomime? (I suppose it's not entirely his
fault, the script may have given him that impression).
Egrorian and Pinder are painful to watch and it becomes absolute agony when
Avon starts imitating them - his "Avon in the privateer Scorpio" reply and
later that daft giggling with Egrorian. Obviously Paul Darrow is having the
time of his life but it makes me cringe in embarrassment. :-)
This episode contains more silly laughter than the rest of the entire series
put together. The crew's usual reaction to Vila's boasting is scorn but
here Dayna and Soolin are laughing at his prattle. And however nice it is
to see them laugh for a change, it doesn't feel in place here. Likewise,
Tarrant's grin when it looks like Avon has pulled off the deception with the
false Orac, seems too artificial. Only Vila stays in character, with his
dreaming about handpicked virgins.
By the way, why do we never perceive Vila's view of women as lust-objects
offensive? If Avon or Tarrant talked about them in that way we probably
*would* take offence yet Vila can get away with it. Maybe because we don't
take him seriously? Or his remarks are simply too childish?
I hate this episode for the impossible position it puts Avon in. (Blake is
never saddled with that kind of choice. :-( ) Yet Avon going after Vila
with that gun is a tremendous powerful scene, acted very well and making up
somewhat for Egrorian's OTT performance.
What I've never noticed before is the strange manner in which Avon holds his
gun, sticking it around the corner as if he doesn't want to see where he's
shooting. His body language seems to indicate a turmoil of conflicting
feelings.
The beauty of that scene is that you can interpret it any way you like. :-)
My take is that, while the rational part of his brain tells him that killing
Vila is his only chance to survive, the emotional part *knows* that it is
the one thing he can't bring himself to do (and the practical part is still
busy trying to find another solution).
That's why he holds his gun in that particular manner: he hopes his finger
will be able to pull the trigger before his mind can stop him - his famed
survival instinct. But I don't think he could have done it. :-)
Marian
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:17:11 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] You boring bastards:)
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From: Alan Stevens <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
> That's not Jan Chappell, you fool, that's Nichola Bryant!
I'll take your word for it. It's not as if the face is clearly visible,
suggesting that the artist might have been paying more attention to, erm,
other things.
But if it is Nicola Bryant, then her jugs are now too small.
> It just shows how
> many observant heterosexual males that are on Lysator, you're the first
> person to mention the "Cyber-porn" on page 68.
They don't call me 'Hawk-Eye' for nothing, you know.
> By the way, this was banned
> from H40 as well. Not just the picture of Peri with her norks out, but
the
> entire article that surrounded it!
I'm not surprised. It's far too interesting, entertaining, and downright
readable for a Horizon newsletter.
Methinks the Great Goose Goddess has a problem coming to terms with certain
forms of irony.
'Hawk-Eye'
>
> Alan (At *very* butch Andy's, but going home tomorrow)
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:20:50 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Neil's complaint
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
>Except perhaps to speculate on Neil's desire to see Cally in a gorilla suit.
I suspect he's been hanging out in pubs with Steve Rogerson.
- Lisa
--
_____________________________________________________________
Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com
Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
From Eroica With Love: http://eroicafans.org/
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:28:21 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit
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Marian de Haan wrote:
> By the way, why do we never perceive Vila's view of women as lust-objects
> offensive? If Avon or Tarrant talked about them in that way we probably
> *would* take offence yet Vila can get away with it. Maybe because we don't
> take him seriously? Or his remarks are simply too childish?
IMO, it's because he's obviously harmless. He's all talk, and not
particularly serious talk, at that. Avon and Tarrant *aren't* harmless,
not by a long stretch, so something akin to sexual harrassment from them
would feel a lot more threatening and disturbing. (As it *does* a few
times in Avon's case: see "Power.")
--
Betty Ragan ** ragan@sdc.org ** http://www.sdc.org/~ragan/
"Imposing Latin rules on English structure is a little
like trying to play baseball in ice skates." -- Bill Bryson
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