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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 207
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Croucher Underwear
Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
[B7L] Re: Together Again Tapes
[B7L] Re: Zenith/B7 Poster Magazines
[B7L] Re: ZENITH
[B7L] Re: Video sale
[B7L] Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #206
[B7L] zines announcement
Re: [B7L] Zenith
Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Zenith
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
RE: [B7L] Zenith
[B7L] Zenith
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
[B7L] Second chance to see
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:35:47 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Jacqueline Thijsen" <inquisitioner@wish.net>
Subject: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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At 01:12 19-7-00, Andy Hopkinson wrote:
>>If you want to know more about Peter Miles, there's an in depth interview
>>and many previously unseen photos in the new Zenith magazine...
>>
>>Available from Judith Proctor's site at http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
>>and now many SF shops around the UK.
>>
>>(SHAMELESS PLUG) :)
>Jacqueline wrote:
>I'm surprised that's even needed. This is one magazine that's so good it
>should practically sell itself. It was the piccie of Brian Chroucher in
>very tight swimtrunks that first got me interested. Wow baby.
That's just a sample. There are quite a few more from where that one came
from. We'll
have to find a way to show them to you.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:51:25 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:32:12 EST "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
>
>
> >From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
> >and Servalan made a cameo, didn't she?
>
> Madame Maxime, I hope?
I can't quite connect Servalan with anyone who would describe herself as
big-boned, but it's a thought.
I can't and don't want to connect her with
> Rita
> Skeeter, the Daily Prophet correspondent.
I was thinking of Madame Lestrange, described as "a woman with thick,
shining dark hair and heavily hooded eyes, who was sitting in the chained
chair as though it were a throne." She seems like his type. Granted,
she didn't manage any comments on walls, but her "Throw us into Azkaban;
we will wait!" seemed vaguely familiar.
>
> Oh, and one minor character's ancestry has an interesting spelling.
> Are we
> meant to pronounce Vila as Veela, after all? <grin> No, that's
> right, that
> isn't a nice thought.
Hmm, Vila has some natural tendency to be interested in what at first
seem to be incredibly beautiful, excessively feminine women but who, when
peeved, can throw handfuls of fire, change their faces into long, "sharp,
cruel-beaked bird heads"? And let's not forget the "the long, scaly
wings" that "were bursting from their shoulders." This might explain a
lot.
While I'm at it, one of the quidditch players at the world cup was named
Ivanova (this is like playing six degrees of seperation, but B5 being one
remove from B7.... Well, what can I say?).
>
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:45:03 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Together Again Tapes
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> Does anyone know if it is possible to buy these tapes over the counter
> anywhere, particularly in the United Kingdom?
>
> Walter Minne
>
As far as I know and I believe Julia already said this, the best way to buy
the tapes is through Judith Proctor for Australia and Europe. Sheelagh Wells
will take care of the UK and the USA. BOTH give very good service. You
can't go wrong.
Joyce
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:51:24 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Zenith/B7 Poster Magazines
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> If you don't mind me asking, what was the print run, [[ Zenith and it
turns out that so far 350 have been sold and they need to sell another 350]]
how well is it
> selling? Previous ventures into publishing B7 material haven't exactly
fared
> well, like the Marvel postermag (though I gather the summer specials didn't
> do too badly). This was from Neil.
The B7 Poster Magazine failed in part because it could not be sold to the
USA. As an American, I was forbidden to subscribe to it. Whereas the was
no such ban if I had wanted to subscribe to the Doctor Who Poster Magazine.
I had to ask my UK friends to buy it for me when it appeared in the
bookstores or newstands. It was EXTREMELY hard to obtain. It wasn't really
advertised well when it came out.
By the way, I heartily recommend ZENITH. Support B7 fandom and order it
today, if you haven't already.
Joyce ....who finally managed to obtain all 7 issues and I love them. It's
too bad that the original whole run of 21 (or whatever it was) wasn't done.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:00:40 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
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> (I always think that if people say we should buy something for reasons
> other than it being a good product, there's probably something wrong with
> it). <honesty attack>
I forgot who said this now. I quite often recommend that people buy things
to support B7 fandom and if that turns some people off, then that's too bad
for the person who misses out. I firmly believe that buying items to show
support is a GOOD thing to do.
I recommend ZENITH and a lot of other things. I would never recommend a BAD
product---nor would anyone else with any brains. I think we need to SUPPORT
B7 fandom or it will die a slow death outside of the net.
Things that are very good to buy and I recommend them are--
ZENITH fanzine Available from Judith Proctor
NEW limited reprint run of Blake's Back and Liberatored (Together Again audio
tapes)
Available from Judith Proctor and Sheelagh Wells
Together Again audio tapes numbers 3 through 7
Available from Judith Proctor and Sheelagh Wells
Avon and Blake models Available through Judith Proctor
The Actor Speaks (Gareth Thomas) audio CD
Available from Judith Proctor, Horizon, and other sources
This, however, I guess I recommend ONLY for Thomas fans.
Joyce
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:04:23 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Video sale
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I> A colleague of mine has the following videos for sale. His name is Tony
Fyler and his email: > tony.fyler@rbi.co.uk
>
>> Blake's Seven
> 1. The Way Back/Spacefall
> 12. Voices From The Past/Gambit
> 13. The Keeper/Star One
> 14. Aftermath/Powerplay
> 16. The Harvest Of Kairos/City At The Edge Of The World
> 21. Power/Traitor
> 22. Stardrive/Animals
> 24. Warlord/Blake
>
Steve, I assume this are PAL. Are they the PRO videos with the artwork?? I
know that a Lysator UK member was specifically looking for these PRO artwork
B7 videos---and not the newer releases.
Joyce
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:34:00 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Snape as Avon
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:57:38 EST "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
writes:
>
> I'd forgotten about the Lestranges. They must've knocked out of my
> memory by
> something else Voldemort says in the graveyard - that he is going to
> have
> one of his former followers killed because that person had turned
> away from
> him completely. Makes me wonder just how far Dumbledore's reach
> extends,
> seeing as we now know Snape needs that protection just as badly as
> Harry
> does.
True, but Voldemort's using pronouns. He also says there's a follower
who was too afraid to come and who will be punished. We don't _know_ if
Voldemort knows Snape (Spoiler alert again) was a spy. He does know
Karkaroff sold anybody he could to save his own hide. Malfoy seems to
think Snape is still one of them, from the way they always get along.
Then again, Draco seemed to think his dad thought well of Karkaroff, too.
> >cruel-beaked bird heads"? And let's not forget the "the long,
> scaly
> >wings" that "were bursting from their shoulders." This might
> explain a
> >lot.
>
> <smile> Might explain a bit more if they had red fur, perhaps.
>
Maybe the ones he where he comes from are a different ethnic group,
explaining the different spelling.
And I am _not_ planning a B7/Harry Potter crossover. I wouldn't know
where to start. I have no ideas.
Yet....
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:07:03 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
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Helen said:
> (I'd mentioned this before, I think?)Snape dislikes Harry, yet protects
> him. Hmm, can't imagine what similiarity there could be...
Tom Carson's review in the "Village Voice" concludes with "That's why
my favorite of her characters is Snape the nasty Potions teacher who
doesn't get any more likeable once he turns out to be on Our Side
[I wonder who got reprogrammed]--at what we now learn was
some cost. The reason his big decision in the book's into-the-storm
finale is scary adn moving at once is that he's a genuinely awful
human being, and I wonder. Can he possibly be turning into Rowling's
tragic hero?"
-(Y)
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:38:06 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
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>From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
>Can he possibly be turning into Rowling's tragic hero?"
Seeing as it is said that Snape's origins lie at least partly with a teacher
she disliked, that's interesting. Then again, she could've changed her mind
about that person - it happens with some characters.
Take Avon. (Distant voices yell "I don't mind if I do".) I thought him a
complete bastard when I was 12. "Orbit" didn't help there (any angst
potential would've gone way above my head at that point).
Regards
Joanne
(but I've always liked Vila, oddly enough)
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:59:50 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Joanne McQ wrote:
> (but I've always liked Vila, oddly enough)
This can be taken so many ways that I shall have to go bury my
head in a pillow to stop thinking now...
Mistral
(Thinking of:
Reasons why liking Vila is odd...
Ways that Joanne is odd...
Odd ways to like Vila...)
--
"Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:03:33 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
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Mistral: >Odd ways to like Vila...)
Oooh, be very careful with this one...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:26:08 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Joanne MacQ (better spelling this time, sorry) wrote:
> Mistral: >Odd ways to like Vila...)
>
> Oooh, be very careful with this one...
Why do you think I'm trying to stop thinking...
Mistral
--
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:20:49 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>,
"Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Jacqueline Thijsen" <inquisitioner@wish.net>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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> >Jacqueline wrote:
> >I'm surprised that's even needed. This is one magazine that's so good it
> >should practically sell itself. It was the piccie of Brian Chroucher in
> >very tight swimtrunks that first got me interested. Wow baby.
Andy wrote:
> That's just a sample. There are quite a few more from where that one came
> from. We'll
> have to find a way to show them to you.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:09:18 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Jacqueline, Joyce:
> > (I always think that if people say we should buy something for reasons
> > other than it being a good product, there's probably something wrong with
> > it). <honesty attack>
>
> I forgot who said this now. I quite often recommend that people buy things
> to support B7 fandom and if that turns some people off, then that's too bad
> for the person who misses out. I firmly believe that buying items to show
> support is a GOOD thing to do.
Might be worth remembering that if it turns some people off, it's
bad for fandom, too. There are quite a lot of people who don't care
for hard sells, guilt trips, and other emotional appeals. Fandom is
supposed to be fun; I fail to see how pressure tactics enhance it
for either the individual or the group.
Mistral
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:08:42 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
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In a message dated 07/20/2000 2:58:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
mistral@ptinet.net writes:
> Might be worth remembering that if it turns some people off, it's
> bad for fandom, too. There are quite a lot of people who don't care
> for hard sells, guilt trips, and other emotional appeals. Fandom is
> supposed to be fun; I fail to see how pressure tactics enhance it
> for either the individual or the group.
I didn't notice pressure tactics in Joyce's reviews. I saw someone who
really liked certain products recommending them to others. I'm interested in
some of the things people recommend, others I'm not. I order the things in
which I have an interest and which I can afford. But I'm always glad to have
the information because it gives me a better idea of whether or not I want a
particular product, zine, etc.
Besides, it's economic reality that if a zine publisher doesn't sell a
minimum number of copies, there won't be another issue.
Tiger M
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:52:46 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
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At 14:08 20-7-00, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
>I didn't notice pressure tactics in Joyce's reviews.
It may be the same as when Avon tells Blake not to try and manipulate him.
Some people (and I'm afraid I'm one of them) see any emotional appeal as a
pressure tactic.
>I saw someone who
>really liked certain products recommending them to others.
You're absolutely right. She certainly did that and I not only didn't mind
that, I actually rather enjoyed it. I don't know much about what zines or
other things of fannish interest are out there, and recommendations are a
great help in giving me some idea of what is worth spending my hard-earned
nickels on (no snobbishness intended, I'd much rather spend some easily-won
nickels.)
But there is a difference between recommendations and emotional appeals.
While I like the former, I'm allergic to the latter. To me it seemed as if
the statement was being made that whoever didn't buy Zenith was not a true
fan. I suspect that this was not the intention of the appeals, but that's
how it appeared to me at the time. Like I said, if it hadn't been for the
glowing reviews (and the promise of Brian Croucher in his underwear, I
certainly have *my* priorities straight), I would have made a conscious
decision to stay away from this magazine out of sheer obstinacy. Which only
proves how easy it really is to manipulate me :-/.
>Besides, it's economic reality that if a zine publisher doesn't sell a
>minimum number of copies, there won't be another issue.
True, but that can't be helped. Like Mistral said (far more eloquently than
I): fandom is for fun. If I start to feel pressured to buy stuff, good or
bad, simply to support fandom, it stops being fun. And that would put an
end to my buying *any* zines.
Jacqueline
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:07:46 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Tiger M wrote:
> In a message dated 07/20/2000 2:58:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
> mistral@ptinet.net writes:
>
> > Might be worth remembering that if it turns some people off, it's
> > bad for fandom, too. There are quite a lot of people who don't care
> > for hard sells, guilt trips, and other emotional appeals. Fandom is
> > supposed to be fun; I fail to see how pressure tactics enhance it
> > for either the individual or the group.
>
> I didn't notice pressure tactics in Joyce's reviews. I saw someone who
> really liked certain products recommending them to others. I'm interested in
> some of the things people recommend, others I'm not. I order the things in
> which I have an interest and which I can afford. But I'm always glad to have
> the information because it gives me a better idea of whether or not I want a
> particular product, zine, etc.
Sure, Tiger, I agree with you that not everyone (probably not most)
would feel pressured. I, too, always read reviews of content and
personal reaction with great interest. My only discomfort is with the
'fans *should* support this' part--the corresponding implication is
fairly obvious; if one doesn't, one is a BAD FAN. And some people
are more sensitive to having 'shoulds' piled on them than others.
And I hope you notice that I was careful *not* to say that Joyce
shouldn't write whatever kind of reviews or promotions she wants--
that would be me trying to impose shoulds on her, something I'm
trying hard to avoid doing to anybody. I only wanted to point out
that there might be more effective methods with less potential for
backfiring. Jacqueline is not the only person who was nearly put
off buying Zenith (if for somewhat different reasons).
> Besides, it's economic reality that if a zine publisher doesn't sell a
> minimum number of copies, there won't be another issue.
Absolutely. But there are *so* many ways to support B7 fandom
in general, and Zenith in particular, surely we can afford to use the
carrot instead of the stick. IMHO it will be more effective in the
long run; people participate in fandom for pleasure (or are we all
more twisted than I think we are? ;-)
Mistral
(eagerly awaiting her copy)
--
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--Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:34:32 +1000
From: Jenny Pausacker <jaynova@bigpond.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #206
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Hi, Calle.
Sorry, I shouldn't be doing this on the list - but I got your message saying
you couldn't find me in your records of Lysator subscribers, so I figured
this was the simplest way to prove that I really do get the digest.
Still trying to unsubscribe.
Jenny Pausacker.
PS If you need to contact me again, I won't be at this address: I'll be at
jpausacker@hotmail.com.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:24:22 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] zines announcement
Message-ID: <w3TL0ICWP0d5EwRI@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Due to upheavals at work, I won't be able to handle printing and
distribution on my zines for several months at least, possibly longer,
so Judith Proctor has agreed to take over this side of things for me. As
Judith has tighter restrictions on the art in zines she publishes (i.e.
no nudes), we have decided to remove the adult art from any future print
runs of my zines. I have a few copies left with the adult art included,
and if necessary will print extra copies to fill any orders I receive
(by snailmail or email) by the end of next week. After that the adult
art versions will only be available while stocks last.
Note that this also means that once I run out of stock the zines will
only be available at the agented price, not direct from me.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:09:53 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith
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----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Stevens<andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
> If you don't mind me asking, what was the print run, and how well is it
> selling?
>
> Zenith is selling extraordinarily well, however we need to sell 700 to
break
> even and to ensure that there will be an issue two. We are half way there
> (and in three weeks that really is something), but there are still quite a
> number of you who have not yet purchased a copy! (Hint, Hint)
So for a fanzine it's selling pretty well, but compared to a prozine it's
hardly shifting at all. I think this reinforces my general notion that
there is no sustainable market for B7-related merchandise, except within the
hardcore fan community which in commercial terms is negligible. Not that
I'm judging the quality of Zenith by the size of its sales.
Yet the videos sell in their thousands, and even at the end of the recent
repeats nearly three quarters of a million people were still watching.
That's an awful lot of dormice.
> Zenith isn't a professional magazine, it just looks that way! The poster
> magazine was selling about 3500 a month. If we could hit a readership
like
> that we would be very happy.
The postermag still folded, though. How come a pro-quality fanzine at a
very reasonable price only needs 700 sales to break even, when a genuine
prozine can't seem to break even at five times the sales? Presumably fees
and salaries play a large part, but I find it hard to believe that that's
the whole story.
> >One question I can't help asking, much as I don't want to raise That
Topic
> again...
>
> Are you sure? Pull the other one.
Quite sure, actually.
>
> >is Zenith the Horizon NL That Never Was?
>
> >And if so, why was it vetoed? Because I can't see anything in Zenith that
> couldn't fit quite comfortably in a Horizon newsletter.
>
> Insecurity.
You mean D**n* doesn't like to think that some people might do a better job
than she could? Figures.
>
> >except possibly the Nickey Barnard/Alan
> Stevens fiction (which I enjoyed immensely).
>
> That's interesting. Why do you think Horizon would have rejected it?
Because it's raw and punky and has naughty words in it. Which makes it
pretty radical by Horizon standards, even if in Real World terms it's
unextraordinary.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:09:38 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
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From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
> But there is a difference between recommendations and emotional appeals.
> While I like the former, I'm allergic to the latter. To me it seemed as if
> the statement was being made that whoever didn't buy Zenith was not a true
> fan. I suspect that this was not the intention of the appeals, but that's
> how it appeared to me at the time.
I don't think anyone could ever accuse Joyce of unenthusiasm! Unfortunately
her exhortations can seem a bit OTT to some of us more phlegmatic types.
The way that nearly all her posts seem to be urging us to buy stuff that we
already know to be available doesn't help. Still, different strokes for
different folks.
Presumably it works the other way, in that a high endorsement from the likes
of me ("Not bad, worth a peek") would be insufficient to motivate some
people to buy a product they might really enjoy.
Neil
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:19:34 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Snape as Avon
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Joanne
> Seeing as it is said that Snape's origins lie at least partly with a
teacher
> she disliked, that's interesting. Then again, she could've changed her
mind
> about that person - it happens with some characters.
That, or she could still dislike said person but have developed some respect
for them-- you don't have to like someone to appreciate what they do. In a
sense I thought that was what she was trying to achieve with Snape--
demonstrate that just because you don't like a teacher doesn't mean they're
irredeemably evil.
> Take Avon. (Distant voices yell "I don't mind if I do".) I thought him a
> complete bastard when I was 12.
I still do think he's a complete bastard. But he's a complete bastard who's
on the right side.
Fiona
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Andy Hopkinson <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>, Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith
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--- Andy Hopkinson <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
(although really it was Alan)
> >is Zenith the Horizon NL That Never Was?
>
> Not entirely. Eight articles are completely new, as
> quite a number of the
> articles originally done for H40 are now very dated.
> Don't forget, H40 was
> due out in August 1999.
August 1999? You mean, like, a year ago? What
happened?.... hang on, wait. This has something to do
with those archive articles, doesn't it.
Please, nobody answer this!
> Alan (who is staying at Andy's home at the moment,
> not working on H40...)
Not surprised :).
Wendy
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Andy Hopkinson <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>, Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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--- Andy Hopkinson <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
> At 01:12 19-7-00, Andy Hopkinson wrote:
> >>If you want to know more about Peter Miles,
> there's an in depth interview
> >>and many previously unseen photos in the new
> Zenith magazine...
> >>
> >>Available from Judith Proctor's site at
> http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
> >>and now many SF shops around the UK.
> >>
> >>(SHAMELESS PLUG) :)
>
> >Jacqueline wrote:
> >I'm surprised that's even needed. This is one
> magazine that's so good it
> >should practically sell itself. It was the piccie
> of Brian Chroucher in
> >very tight swimtrunks that first got me interested.
> Wow baby.
>
> That's just a sample. There are quite a few more
> from where that one came
> from.
Only of Brian? You don't have any of, say, ...Paul, do
you? JUst a hyporthetical example....
Wendy
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:52:51 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Zenith
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>So for a fanzine [Zenith], is selling pretty well, but compared to a
prozine it's
>hardly shifting at all. I think this reinforces my general notion that
>there is no sustainable market for B7-related merchandise, except within
the
>hardcore fan community which in commercial terms is negligible.
I don't know about that. Zenith, being for the moment a "one off" magazine
means that you can't get a distributor for it, so it's up to us to contact
all the shops. Once a network is set up however, things will move faster.
>Yet the videos sell in their thousands, and even at the end of the recent
>repeats nearly three quarters of a million people were still watching.
>That's an awful lot of dormice.
Advertising is the key. But advertising is expensive. Zenith only has a
small budget unlike magazines like SFX and TV Zone.
>The poster magazine was selling about 3500 a month. If we could hit a
readership
>like that we would be very happy.
>The postermag still folded, though.
Yes, because you would expect a prozine to have a market of around 20,000.
>How come a pro-quality fanzine at a very reasonable price only needs 700
sales to break
>even, when a genuine prozine can't seem to break even at five times the
sales?
I think the poster mag was in profit, however Marvel UK were then clobbered
by Marvel USA who encountered some financial problems.
>Presumably fees and salaries play a large part, but I find it hard to
believe that that's
>the whole story.
It's most of the story. Zenith in the main has an unpaid working staff of
two. Andy and Me. it's a different set-up with the prozines. You've got
whole departments to pay.
>is Zenith the Horizon NL That Never Was? And if so, why was it vetoed?
Because I can't
>see anything in Zenith that couldn't fit quite comfortably in a Horizon
newsletter.
>
> Insecurity.
>You mean D**n* doesn't like to think that some people might do a better job
>than she could? Figures.
>Why do you think Horizon would have rejected "Rotten to the Core"?
>Because it's raw and punky and has naughty words in it. Which makes it
>pretty radical by Horizon standards, even if in Real World terms it's
>unextraordinary.
Horizon's policy on "naughty words" was always very inconsistent, and
appeared to change from issue to issue. I think the "Scars" story that
appeared in H39 was a lot tougher and a lot harder than "Rotten to the
Core". Diane initially passed "Rotten to the Core" but then a few months
later decided that it was unsuitable for a "family newsletter."
Wish I had longer to talk, but so busy.
Alan (Out and about selling issues of Zenith)
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zenith
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Alan wrote:
>Wish I had longer to talk, but so busy.
>Alan (Out and about selling issues of Zenith)
Heh heh! <grin>...have just had a vision of Alan standing outside a tube station, competing with the "Big Issue" sellers...
I'll have to buy a copy now!
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:14 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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At 02:35 AM 7/20/00 +0100, Andy Hopkinson wrote:
>>Jacqueline wrote:
>>I'm surprised that's even needed. This is one magazine that's so good it
>>should practically sell itself. It was the piccie of Brian Chroucher in
>>very tight swimtrunks that first got me interested. Wow baby.
>
>That's just a sample. There are quite a few more from where that one came
>from. We'll
>have to find a way to show them to you.
Quick, Sister Jacqueline, pass me the paper bag. I'm hyperventilating. Deep
breaths. Deep breaths. Bad air in, good air out. Or, wait, is it the other
way a--
[FX: Penny faints away, must be revived by surrounding throng of
FINALACTolytes through judicious application of smelling salts and threats
of karaoke.]
--round. Yes, there, I feel much better now.
All right, now, Sister Jacqueline, my most loyal compatriot: any thoughts
on how to go about locating and liberating these Holy Relics in the name of
FINALACT?
--Penny (Just Got The Magazine In Question)
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:30:04 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Second chance to see
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Pity I don't have a VCR at the moment, I want to see this dancing Joyce
referred to...
"Legal Man" by Belle & Sebastian is on Rage again tonight, for Australian
members of the Lyst. Minnie, and anyone else who might want a reminder, set
your video for between 1am and 1.30am (that's Eastern Standard Time - might
be a bit earlier for the South Australians).
Regards
Joanne
(who may have to set her alarm clock to wake her up, if she wants to see
it...)
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