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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 200
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Telegram [was Re: [B7L] Revolutions past]
Re: [B7L] Re. Zenith and Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
[B7L] The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: Telegram [was Re: [B7L] Revolutions past]
[B7L] The Actor Speaks CD--review
[B7L] June's caption contest... and B7 ramblings
[B7L] Re: Terminal with Jenna
Re: [B7L] Re: Terminal with Jenna
[B7L] (No Subject)
[B7L] Re: winspit quarry trip
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
[B7L] Potential Gareth Thomas sighting
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Potential Gareth Thomas sighting
Re: [B7L] Re: winspit quarry trip
Re: [B7L] Re: winspit quarry trip
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:22:19 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
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Fiona wrote:
> For the interested, the Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane are now on
> my website (at http://redrival.com/nyder/rontane.html). Be warned though,
> it's not fanfic-- it's a gossip column.
And most entertaining it is too. A Lyst one has to be done, I think.
Una
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:02:06 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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Nyder wrote :
> >. Staying tied to one's mother (actual or country) for too long does
> > not usually have salutary effects on either.
>
> Hasn't hurt the Australians, or the Kiwis, or... no, hang on, the
Canadians
> are debatable... but still, economically Canada's fine; check the UN stats
> on standards of living.
Have to be a little wary of those stats... if you factor in women's working
equality conditions we fall down the list. And the Canadian Dollar isn't
worth anything. Although for me, coming from the UK, everything still seems
cheap! <g>
Steve Dobson
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:00:37 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Telegram [was Re: [B7L] Revolutions past]
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Una asked:
>I want to know if the Queen Mum is going to get a telegram
> from the Queen when she turns 100.
I think I saw a front page headline last Saturday saying she would. Glad
to hear it served a useful purpose, or would have done if you'd seen it.
Harriet
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:12:42 +0200
From: "Marian de Haan" <maya@multiweb.nl>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re. Zenith and Sally Knyvette
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To Isobel's:
>> hmmm not sure about that myself. Despite all the divisions in the crew I
doubt any of them would have left another stranded after the evacuation.<<
Fiona replied:
>Likewise and especially not Jenna-- she struck me as a very ethical sort,
not one to leave anyone hanging, even Avon.<
Especially since she might need him badly when Zen's systems break down
again. :-) Besides, Avon has Orac, who's too useful to abandon.
Marian
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:54:09 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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> From: <B7Morrigan@aol.com>
> >Hell, even the "Sandbaggers" acknowledged our
> > special relationship. It's why France doesn't like us; they're jealous
> <g>
Neil wrote
> Oh. I thought it was because they won your Revolution for you and you've
> never acknowledged it:)
You're right, of course, Neil. I doubt we'd be a nation today if it wasn't
for that amazing contribution by Lafayette.
<insert irony emoticon>
Morrigan (Trish)
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:09:50 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] The Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane
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Fiona wrote:
> Cheers. I'm trying to think up a section for Lysator, but it needs a
> narrative thread (and one which won't get me lynched, she says, thinking of
> an earlier debate...)
>
Oh, I do love the Federation Thought Police Warning!
Morrigan (Trish)
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:53:26 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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Steve:
> Have to be a little wary of those stats... if you factor in women's
working
> equality conditions we fall down the list.
But so does everyone else.
> And the Canadian Dollar isn't
> worth anything. Although for me, coming from the UK, everything still
seems
> cheap! <g>
Compared to the UK, *anyplace* is cheap. Hell, when I go over to Paris I
wonder what the North Americans are complaining about; the food's cheaper
than UK food and tons better.
Fiona
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:07:57 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Telegram [was Re: [B7L] Revolutions past]
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> Una asked:
> >I want to know if the Queen Mum is going to get a telegram
> > from the Queen when she turns 100.
And Harriet replied:
> I think I saw a front page headline last Saturday saying she would. Glad
> to hear it served a useful purpose, or would have done if you'd seen it.
Really? I'd heard they'd given up doing those telegrams cos there are too
many centuagenarians out there.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:22:56 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org, Judith@blakes-7.com
Subject: [B7L] The Actor Speaks CD--review
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I am surprised that I've not seen any reviews for Gareth Thomas's audio CD
THE ACTOR SPEAKS, Vol. 1, which is put out by Mark Thompson, the creator of
the SOLDIERS OF LOVE audio CD 10 part series. I just received my copy
yesterday and listened to it this morning. But I know those of you who
attended the autograph session on July 1st would have had almost two weeks to
listen and post reviews.
THE ACTOR SPEAKS CD is available from several sources, including Judith
Proctor --
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 -- and Horizon --
http://www.horizon.org.uk/. The prices at each site seem similar. But the
methods of payment, etc., vary, depending upon where you live. For
Americans, Judith takes American cash 19 dollars and Horizon takes American
checks which I figured out to be about 19.68 in Am. dollars, which included
the one dollar extra check fee. However, you'll have to compute the figure
yourself as it does vary.
This review won't be very complete and detailed as I don't want to spoil it
for you. However, I will say that it is very entertaining and it makes me
want to listen to my SOLDIERS OF LOVE CDs 3-6 which I haven't listened to
yet. (So far, July 2000, SOL has only gotten up to CD 6 of the 10 part
series.) I think EVERY Gareth Thomas fan should buy this CD. If you're not
a Thomas fan, I really don't know how much you'd like the CD. Maybe someone
who is isn't a Gareth fan should get the CD and evaluate it?
Basically, the CD is 75 minutes long. There are nice pictures of Gareth and
Nicholas Courtney on the front and of the crew of the Vibrator on the back.
(The Vibrator is the Liberator in the Blake's 7 parody called Jake's
Heaven.) The CD is in 6 parts, two of which feature Gareth's writing.
Nicholas Courtney does these two monologues which both involve monks in the
middle-ages. If you've read Gareth's little short story Blythe Spirits,
you'll be familiar with the type of story. These are sections 2 and 5 and
take up 25 minutes total. Both stories come across as charming little fables
and are enjoyable, but for me the rest of the CD is better.
The first track is the most interesting one for me as it involves an
interviewer talking to Gareth and to Mark. Mark produces SOLDIERS IN LOVE,
the 10 part comedy sci-fi series that Gareth acts in, Gareth portraying three
characters so far. This 15 minute track involves Gareth's views on Roj Blake
which are slightly different from Mark's. Gareth does see Blake as both a
freedom fighter and, also, someone who was becoming a fanatic by the end of
second season. He talks about what he imagines might have been Blake's
background. Gareth has some rather different ideas about Blake's family, and
he, also, talks about his own father briefly.
Track 3 (20 minutes) has Gareth and Mark talking about both Blake's 7 and
Soldiers of Love. Gareth in SOL plays the villain Nermal, the gay camp
Welshman Hywel who's an unsung hero, and the computer ANET in the sendup of
Blake's 7 that appears in SOL which is a Galactovision TV series called
Jake's Heaven. ANET is the Zen character in Jake's Heaven. This chat is
really informative and Gareth throws in several tidbits about projects he
done recently.
Track 4 (10 minutes) is Gareth doing a monologue as Hywel Hammond. The gay
Welsh lilt is charming. I enjoyed this segment so much that I seriously
began to regret having loaned my SOL CDs to a friend. I was impressed with
Mark Thompson's writing of this segment, too. Being an ex-English teacher, I
really got a huge kick out of the segment where Hywel remembers his
teacher--and not very fondly. He got a C- on his Roman orgy paper.
The final segment, 6, is only five minutes long, and I really wanted it to be
much much longer. It's "The Children of Nylon," an actual advert for Jake's
Heaven that is really hilarious. For those of you not familiar with SOL (and
that includes me), ANET (Gareth) is a computer who gives his information like
a Gregorian chant.
If you're a Gareth Thomas fan, there is no doubt that you should get this CD.
I'd hope that any Blake's 7 fan would probably enjoy the CD simply because of
the comments about Blake and the B7 parody.
Joyce Bowen JEB31538@cs.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:57:13 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] June's caption contest... and B7 ramblings
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> http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
>
> The captions for the June contest were great. I loved Helen's "winning"
> one, too. Very funny.
Hoody-hoo! I got to be favorite! ::does the happy dance, but possibly
only because she's been deprived of her wisdom, at least in the form of
teeth, and still a little giddy from the drugs::
I was thinking back to the question of favorite quotes from the
series... possibily my favorite (I use it the most) is "Some days are
better than others."
BTW> I've come up with a new roleplaying character Sam(antha) Larch, who
may deserve a mention here because the Sam comes from Sam Vimes, played
on stage by Paul Darrow, while the Larch comes from Marion Larch, who
was given a Kerr Avon avatar for a boyfriend in the excellent books by
Barbara Paul.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:04:06 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Terminal with Jenna
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> She's probably the
> only one (except maybe Soolin - I'm now considering where Soolin fits) that
> he felt could/should take the risk for herself.
>
> But he'd insist *she* kept it from the others as he did.
>
> Does this make any sense?
>
And then she'd want to check it out, and Avon would suggest she scout
out and let him know what she finds, while he mans the teleport.
Suddenly, Servalan doesn't have Avon, but Jenna... what then?
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:54:23 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Terminal with Jenna
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> > She's probably the
> > only one (except maybe Soolin - I'm now considering where Soolin fits)
> that
> > he felt could/should take the risk for herself.
> >
> > But he'd insist *she* kept it from the others as he did.
> >
> > Does this make any sense?
> >
Helen wrote:
> And then she'd want to check it out, and Avon would suggest she scout
> out and let him know what she finds, while he mans the teleport.
> Suddenly, Servalan doesn't have Avon, but Jenna... what then?
Jenna kicks Servalan's butt? (hopefully) And the fourth season isn't so
completely depressing, and it is actually Blake down there, and Avon doesn't
go mad, and in return for saving all of them from a fate worse than death,
Jenna is, of course, returned to teleport duty.
Morrigan (Trish)
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:55:48 GMT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: winspit quarry trip
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>Isobel wrote:
>Wow... I've never thought I wanted to live in England till now! Wish >I
>could come :o)
>Meeeeeee toooooooooo! :(
>Min. xxx
Ahh.. I think you have a better reason to be sad than me though.. from your
email you are in Australia? Being in Scotland I can't moan quite as much!
Its just a shame Winspit is about as far from me as you can get staying on
the UK mainland :o/
Isobel
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yourself? Why so secretive?
Avon: Perhaps I'm shy..
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:10:17 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:40:04 +0100 "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
writes:
> From: <B7Morrigan@aol.com>
> >Hell, even the "Sandbaggers" acknowledged our
> > special relationship. It's why France doesn't like us; they're
> jealous
> <g>
>
> Oh. I thought it was because they won your Revolution for you and
> you've
> never acknowledged it:)
>
Now, now, Neil. At Yorktown, the British tried to surrender to the
French instead of the Americans and the French wouldn't hear of it. Far
be it from any of us to insult such a gracious gesture by refusing it at
this late date.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:41:33 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Just to clarify:
This is summer, the amount of suffering I do due to other people's
constantly changing schedules and agendas has reached Biblical
proportions. The past two days have seen about 25 suddenly changed
schedules and vacation dates from over a dozen people, all of which I was
somehow supposed to know about through precognition or telepathy (I
_told_ you the Cally comparison would cause trouble), along with a
complete redoing of my own schedule to accomodate them. I was repeatedly
informed this was so no one would be inconvenienced.
In short, I am at an all time low for tolerance for hidden agendas. I am
at an even lower level of tolerance for people who suddenly decide,
without explanation, to go zoom buggying off the chosen road for unknown
destinations, demanding people with lives of their own 'trust him.'
In other words, even Avon doesn't get any slack on this issue right now.
Maybe in Autumn.
That said (and realizing I may not be wholely rational at the moment),
let me point out that Avon was not at his best in Terminal. First,
despite events in Rumors of Death, he didn't expect anyone to follow him
down to the planet (and what ship had he been on all season?). Second,
he really believed it was possible to have Liberator in stationary orbit
around a planet for half a day without a life threatening disaster that
only he could solve (how tired was he?). Third (and most important), he
actually seemed to think this was the first time he'd asked for a big
leap of faith from the rest of them.
Granted, the man thinks denial is a river in Egypt (or wherever the
Federation decided nonclassified maps should say it is [I'm sure Avon
could get the classified ones but I doubt his interest in the proper
names of various bodies of water has ever reached a point of justifying
the effort. So long as Zen can guarantee they aren't teleporting into
one or otherwise have to include it in calculations, he wouldn't care]).
He probably believes he's been the epitome of whatever the word for a
no-trust-required-to-coexist-with-type- person is. But, the truth is, he
had already used up a fair credit of trust and reliance prior to this.
And he and his "I don't know where I'm going, what direction I'm headed
in, or how long it will take" vacation plans are not going to win my
sympathy. Neither will his withhold information for the good of others
(roughly equivilant to "Why would I have left the folder on your desk? I
didn't know you were going to need it. How was I supposed to know you
sent a memo? What standard operating procedure? I was only gone for two
weeks.") story.
Ellynne
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:18:57 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Potential Gareth Thomas sighting
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According to the website for Rage, "Legal Man" by Belle & Sebastian is going
to be the third video screened tonight (Friday). So those amongst us
Australians not planning either an early night or a night on the town should
be watching ABC tv after 11.15pm perhaps...
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:35:53 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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At 08:13 AM 7/13/00 +0100, Nyder wrote:
>Penny's a Canuck? Gosh.
Me and Shatner.
>I think Sleer would pay by credit card, myself.
Assuming the people with whom she was transacting accepted Visa ('look on
your archenemy's face when distressed damsel turns out to be ace assassin:
priceless' -- um, or is that American Express? (Would the Federation's
answer to American Express be "Federal Express"?)).
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:05:12 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Potential Gareth Thomas sighting
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>>Joanne wrote:
>
>According to the website for Rage, "Legal Man" by Belle & Sebastian is
going
>to be the third video screened tonight (Friday). So those amongst us
>Australians not planning either an early night or a night on the town
should
>be watching ABC tv after 11.15pm perhaps...
>
>Regards
I will be watching it now!! <G> cheers.
Min. xxx
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:16:17 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: winspit quarry trip
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Isobel wrote:
>
>Ahh.. I think you have a better reason to be sad than me though.. from your
>email you are in Australia? Being in Scotland I can't moan quite as much!
>Its just a shame Winspit is about as far from me as you can get staying on
>the UK mainland :o/
>
Yep you are right! I live in Australia. Lower South Australia no less, thats
about as far as you can get without living on an Iceberg <G> (Apart from
anyone living in Tassie that is. <G>)
Life is so unfair. :( I read all this and hear about the UK people
meeting actors and such, and im stuck down here!! Any cons coming down
under in future?? :)
How many Aussies are there on this list??
Min. xxx
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Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:57:00 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: winspit quarry trip
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On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 06:16:17PM +0930, Minnie wrote:
>
> How many Aussies are there on this list??
At least four.
you, me, Joanne, Ross...
I assume Lindley is no longer with us, and hasn't been for a while.
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