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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 179
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Liberator crew size
Re: [B7L] Fav episodes
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond - Vila, Soolin, Dayna and Tarrant
Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
Re: [B7L] Re: Prior & Steeleye Span
Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
Re: [B7L] Fav episodes
Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
[B7L] ZENITH IS HERE...
Re: [B7L] Re: Women we like
Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
Re: [B7L] Re: Stuart Jones (was Crew, Models and Liaisons)
Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
Re: Re: [B7L] crew
Re: [B7L] Travis Dons White Hat? (was Re: crew)
Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
Re: [B7L] Posting fanfic?
Re: [B7L] Priceline (was Posting fanfic?)
[B7L] Re: crew size
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #176
[B7L] Flat robin?
[B7L] Translation, please
Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
Re: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168]
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
[B7L] Fave episodes/ class status
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168]
Re: [B7L]Sarcophagus (was RoD (was Animals))
Re: [B7L] Fave episodes/ class status
Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
Re: [B7L] Re: Women we like
[B7L] DS9 crossover (was Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons)
Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
[B7L] Gareth signing
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:37:48 PDT
From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com>
To: cgorman@idirect.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Liberator crew size
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>>Murray asked :
>>What I find interesting is who of the original crew would stay or >>leave
>>if Blake embarked on a drive to recruit more ideologically >>motivated
>>people ... Avon, in my opinion, would certainly have left. >>What do
>>people think?
>
>Steve Dobson replied :
>I'm not sure about Avon. I think he had a lot of plans which >involved the
>Liberator and was determined to get his hands on it. He >might have hung
>around long enough to see how the new recruits worked >out - in the hope
>they would do what he wanted and all troop back to >Earth to lead a revolt.
> I think he can be very patient with regards >to the Liberator.
With a larger crew Avon would definately have stayed - but with the
Liberator. With a growing team he would have pushed for a broader front,
and ended up being in charge of the Liberator as Blake moved on (though
Blake would probably have left Cally and/or Jenna to keep Avon 'on track').
Jason
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:47:48 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fav episodes
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Fiona wrote:
> 4. The Way Back (going to get lynched for this I know, but I like the
> surrealism, and I think if the series had continued as it started, it
would
> have rivalled The Prisoner).
Not at all. I often think that TWB is an episode from an entirely different
programme.
Una
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:00:04 PDT
From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond - Vila, Soolin, Dayna and Tarrant
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There may be some fanfic out there that covers this (if so can someone tell
me where?) but otherwise, how about this set of thoughts?
During the last few days of reading the posts about 'beyond the "Blake"
episode' I also saw (somewhere) the standard division of S1&2 as "the Blake
Seasons" and S3&S4 being "the Avon Seasons." Well, what if at the start of
imaginary Season 5 we find out that Vila, Soolin (both only shot once by
troopers, and we know one shot from a trooper usually doesn't kill a hero),
Dayna (shot by a character rather than a trooper, so more likely to be dead,
but who knows) and Tarrant (injured and shot by troopers once) survive and
somehow get away, and Avon is dead from having his head, arms and everything
else blown off by a dozen Federation troopers (as suggested by the credit
sounds (and what if the first shot if Avon blowing his own head off)?
Out of Vila, Soolin, Dayna and Tarrant who moves to the 'centre' of the
series? Would we be calling S5&6 "the Vila Seasons"?
jason
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:03:36 PDT
From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com>
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>>Jason de Rooy wrote:
>>This got me thinking about the existance of more Travises/Travii/
>> >>Traves. If 'da man' had somehow survived 'Star One', I wonder if
>> >>they would have gotten a new actor, who it'd have been, and where >>the
>>character would have gone from there?
>
>Marion replied:
>But Travis *did* survive, he changed into Tarrant :-) [And while he >was
>at it, he decided to let the plastic surgeon do a thorough job >and fix his
>eye too.] Now this explains why Tarrant seems much too >experienced for
>his age. <veg>
Wow, Seasons 3&4 make a lot more sense now. Especially 'Blake', with
Blake's testing of Tarrant/Travis.
Jason
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:04:54 PDT
From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com>
To: N.Faulkner@tesco.net, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Prior & Steeleye Span
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From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
> But... but... Allan Prior is Maddy Prior's father!! And Maddy Prior was
in
> Steeleye Span!!
Ok, someone's going to have to give us a 'brief' outline of what Steeleye
Span was about - I can't be bothered trolling the net to find out.
Jason
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:07:33 PDT
From: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com>
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Fiona posts:
>As to the character, I think they'd've had to give him a radical >change in
>personality; he couldn't have gone on getting madder. But >it's possible
>that the events of Star One might have made him sane, >or at least a
>different sort of mad. Could he have wound up setting >up his own
>resistance, in a parallell to Blake?
>
>Discuss further.
No need, the 'Tarrant is actually Travis, joining up with the Liberator for
rebellion (and his own ends)' argument is utterly convincing.
Jason
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:42:17 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>,
"Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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1. Gambit
2. Trial
3. Blake
4. The Way Back (going to get lynched for this I know, but I like the
surrealism, and I think if the series had continued as it started, it would
have rivalled The Prisoner).
Also, for some reason, I seem to keep watching Project Avalon, Cygnus Alpha,
Gold, City and Killer.
Fiona
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:28:01 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
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>From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
>Is there some sort of conspiracy to get me to regurgitate Latin this week?
>I even found myself playing the oddly-spelled Procol Harum the other night.
<mental linkage of Travis and the Procul Harum song "Conquistador" -minor
mental meltdown ensues>
Regards
Joanne
(happens to be the only other one of theirs I know, some may be pleased to
know)
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:48 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ika" <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:41 PM
Subject: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
> decision to make. (Though I guess I'd gamble on the probability that
computer
> skills were going to be more likely to save my hide than an in-depth
> understanding of Roman history.)
For shame, Ika! If you had, would you have been able to decline Travis' name
today?
> (who would put Kasabi, Jenna and Chenie at the top of the list. After
Major
> Thania, but I'm aware that's just the
> boots.)
Don't forget the mouth...
Fiona
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:30:17 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] ZENITH IS HERE...
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Dianna Firmin checks out Travis, and Fiona Moore takes a look at Blake's 7
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Click on the Zenith cover and have a peak at some of the articles...
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:07:15 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>,
"Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
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To: Blake's 7 (Lysator) <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:25 PM
Subject: [B7L] Re: Women we like
> Fiona wrote:
> >I like Piri but only once she stops being Piri.
>
> I actually find her even more irritating when she starts being Cancer. At
> least when she's pretending to be Piri she's got an excuse for being
awful.
> When she's Cancer, she's just revoltingly self-indulgent.
I just like the fact that even Avon was too taken in by the dumb-blonde act
to do anything until it was too late.
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:05:59 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Traves
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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: [B7L] Re: Traves
> Meanwhile, in another part of the wood, Fiona:
> >Oh, and it suddenly occurs to me that following it through
> >logically, the phrase "of Travises" should be rendered
> >"Travibus." Hmmm...
>
> No, that's to or by Travises. The genitive is Travium. All together:
> Travis, Travis, Travem, Travis, Travi, Travi; Traves, Traves, Traves,
> Travium, Travibus, Travibus.
You're right, of course. I won't say how long it's been since I took Latin,
but it was long enough to forget how to decline third-gender nouns....
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:01:03 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Stuart Jones (was Crew, Models and Liaisons)
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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Stuart Jones (was Crew, Models and Liaisons)
> too controversial. I, for one, am so tired of Hollywood's definition of
> "controversial," which frequently means finding something that offends
> the viewers (usually bathroom humor too dumb for a five year old) but
> nothing that would offend Hollywood's Powers That Be, followed up with
> explaining how the show failed because it was "too cutting edge."
Hollywood frequently seems to operate, IMO, on the Dr Goebbels principle:
that is, that "the intelligence of the public cannot be underestimated."
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:41:31 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Harriet Monkhouse" <101637.2064@compuserve.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] crew
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I promised:
> >(PS: stay tuned for: "The Posthumous and Hastily
> >Suppressed Memoirs of Secretary Rontane." Coming
> >soon to a parody writer [and possibly website] near you...)
And Harriet replied:
> Please, please, please. But do they have to be posthumous? I always
hoped
> he survived the explosion and eventually clawed his way up to be
President.
Cheers-- ah, if only he had. More than a match for Servalan there... still,
having seen "Trial" far too many times, I really really doubt it (the
surrealist second half of "The Final Act" to the contrary notwithstanding).
Besides, I think having them posthumous makes them more... amusing.
Particularly should he happen to know more about subsequent events than he
should...
Shutting up now,
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:36:38 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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> >From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
> >a young woman whose main
> >hobby seems to be constructing explosive devices (Dayna as Ace
> >avant-la-lettre? Discuss).
>
> No, really - since when were Dayna's parts in each episode along the lines
> of "neurosis of the week"? That's my stumbling block in the comparison.
>
Good point, but perhaps if Avon had been asking her how she felt about her
father's death every episode she'd have become a quivering wreck too
(honestly, couldn't the Doctor have left the girl alone for five minutes? He
never asked Jo Grant how she felt about her mum. That we know of, anyway).
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:41:39 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Jason de Rooy" <jjderooy@hotmail.com>, <101637.2064@compuserve.com>,
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:10 AM
Subject: [B7L] Re: Traves
> This got me thinking about the existance of more Travises/Travii/ Traves.
> If 'da man' had somehow survived 'Star One', I wonder if they would have
> gotten a new actor, who it'd have been, and where the character would have
> gone from there?
In *my* fantasy-football version they'd've kept Brian Croucher and raised
his salary.
As to the character, I think they'd've had to give him a radical change in
personality; he couldn't have gone on getting madder. But it's possible that
the events of Star One might have made him sane, or at least a different
sort of mad. Could he have wound up setting up his own resistance, in a
parallell to Blake?
Discuss further.
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:15:19 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ika" <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
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Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 9:58 PM
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Ika:
> > > In the end I'm going to have to go for Major Thania (Trial) - the only
> > character
> >
>
> Fiona:
>
> > Really?!? I mean, she's a babe and all, but she's *such* an incredible
ditz.
Ika:
> lovely mouth,
Deserves repeating...
> I find her fascinating as a kind of female Travis/Par character (the only
> female spear-carrier we get, I think?)
True--for Servalan anyway--which makes her interesting in that regard, but I
still maintain that she's a ditz. A lovely ditz yes, but a ditz nonetheless.
>which really gives a lot of edge to her
> interactions with Servalan for me. (line from fanfic-in-progress: "Thania
had
> major Servalan crush - recognized ailment in Space Command")
<shaking off naughty daydream prompted by those words> Sorry? Ah, yes. It's
the outfit I think, and her wicked way with hair gel. Let me know when you
finish the fanfic....
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:39:17 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Penny Dreadful" <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis Dons White Hat? (was Re: crew)
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> My first reaction was "No way, Jose!"...but then I think about "Hostage"
> and how unbelievably open (considering the circumstances) Blake seemed to
> the concept of co-operating with Travis. If Travis had actually been
> prepared to negotiate at that point (I think he was just jerking Blake's
> chain), I can see Blake taking Travis onboard.
As I said, so could I, but I could also see them watching their backs very
carefully. The Blake-Avon tension might well wind up taking second place to
the Blake-Travis one. I think Travis would probably have wound up sinking
further into insanity (as he did), betraying the crew colossally, and then
leaving them licking their wounds and carrying on in the same
self-destructive way as he did in the series.
I think all roads led to Star One-- but it would have been interesting if
he'd taken the alternative route. And as you say, given that Blake will do
anything to fight the Federation and Travis could well have been in a
similar state of desperation at that point, it's not inconceivable that he
could have.
Fiona
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:34:29 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Isobel Gordon" <isobel@ussenterprise.ndo.co.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
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From: Isobel Gordon <isobel@ussenterprise.ndo.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
> Neil:
> > >He is not portrayed as an enemy of the status quo, rather an
> > >observer, and ince his observations come from the bottom of the ladder,
> > they
> > >can be discounted as any advocation of meaningful change.
>
> Alison:
> > But is wit a weapon you can disarm like a bomb? They might think it's
> safe,
> > but is it?
>
> Early modern carnival is a case in point. It entertained through
> subversion, with cross dressing, street parties, peasants as lords of
> misrule etc. As Ellynne said it works like a safety valve. The ruling
class
> frequently joined in with street parties as if they were the same as the
> lower classes. The carnival did on a number of occasions lead to riots
and
> major uprising, so despite the upper class
> patronage, true subversion was never that far away.
>
Ahem. As a professional anthropologist, I'd like to say that opinion is
currently divided on whether or not carnival type activities act as a safety
valve or whether they, as suggested in Mary Douglas' seminal work *Purity
and Danger* (1966), in fact act to reinforce the status quo by presenting us
with images of what should not be in a lawless context (e.g.: it is not
considered socially acceptable for men to wear dresses and makeup in
everyday life in Western society, so by encouraging men to cross-dress
during Carnival, when the normal rules are explicitly subverted, you make it
clear what those normal rules are). Alternatively they may, as Abner Cohen's
article "Carnival" (about the Notting Hill Carnival) suggests, be a way of
expressing identity and working out conflict through performance.
And here's me thinking I'd keep work out of this...
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:53:52 -0700
From: Susie W <piscescat@home.com>
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> Una : <thinks: Did I just admit I read Trek fanfic? No, may have got away with it...>
Can't be any worse than being married to a complete Trek obsessive. At
least I got him to watch B7 and he does like the show although it's "not
Trek." Yes, but isn't that the point? (Smirk!)
Susie
p.s. Would it be too silly for Paul Darrow to do British versions of
the Priceline commercials?
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:09:27 EDT
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> Susie
>
> p.s. Would it be too silly for Paul Darrow to do British versions of
> the Priceline commercials?
If PD starts thinking he can sing a la Shatner, I'm out of here ....
Trish
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:01:07 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> Helen & Gnog on one side of the issue, Murray on the other:
> I agree with H&G that Liberator should have had a larger
> crew--there are damn few missions that can be effectively
> carried out with only six, much less with five, people--I
> particularly like the "Hostage" effect--"Gee, they must be
> in trouble, let's go down and see"--sort of like dropping all
> the cutlery in the kitchen down the sink in an effort to fish
> something out of the drain.
Another reason to have a few extra crew, besides the well-brought-up
point of sleep schedules and hostage-taking (surely the Altas wouldn't
have thought much about hostages being taken?) is the simple need for
redundancy. Zen can replace a broken part, but if the 72-hour flu has
got half the crew so weak they can't walk down the corridor, what can
Blake do?
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:08:43 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> >Ensor (come on, he could have made it...)
> >Neebrox
>
> Let me put my vote in for a living Ensor too. In fact, I'd rather have
> Ensor than Orac. Imagine Ensor down in a lab in the bowels of the ship,
> refusing regularly to help the crew, and complaining over the intercom every
> time the ship gets bumped about in battle.
>
> jason
Oh, this is *too* good! Because I see Avon thinking highly of him and
refusing to let Blake bully him into helping (up until such time as
Avon's survival clearly depends on getting Ensor's nose out of his
circuitboard). Hmm. A fanfic anthology based on AU stories, post- one
canon epsidoe, but with character X surviving and added to the crew is a
tempting idea. Are there enough people interested in doing this that I
should volunteer to edit?
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:16:00 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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>
> Arkaroo says:
> -------
> 22450 words so far.
In the name of Om! What have I done?!
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:25:10 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
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> (Dayna as Ace
> > > avant-la-lettre? Discuss).
> >
> > I would, if only I knew what "avant-la-lettre" meant.
>
> avant-la-lettre == after the letter.
>
Which doesn't exactly tell us what it *means* since (to the best of my
memory, I don't remember all the details from Dr. Who) there is no
literal letter involved. Feels like an ORAC answer-- true information
without an attempt to be useful. I would guess from the context it
simply means that Dayna came before Ace, and they are both similiar, but
how can Kathryn and I be sure that there is not some more important
meaning implied?
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:24:31 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Greco-Roman comedy (back on topic?)
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Chairman Neil Thought:
>
> Neither, though there might well be some truth in both. The function of
the
> Cheeky Cockney is, at least so I tend to think, to pull the ruling classes
> back from the brink of acknowledging their responsibility, by defusing the
> gravity of circumstance through the sanitisation of the grim humour that
the
> ruled use to preserve their sanity.
The Cheeky Cockney is also a lower-class figure who is supposed to be able
to really enjoy life, unlike the respectable bourgeois or the
responsibility-
laden aristocrat--compare with the id projections associated with black
people in the US. In other words, "we" don't have to do anything about
their situation because "they" are capable of enjoying life much more than
"we" do.
-(Y)
PS--I'm working on a story now in which Avon has been named as
shop steward of the Liberator branch of the Rebel's Union (Blake
being the gaffer). A consignment of flat caps has been stashed
aboard in an earlier story. (When Cally's there, of course it's a
chapel meeting.) I can just imagine Gan leading them in a chorus
of "Jerusalem."
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:26:07 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Traves [Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #168]
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Ika said:
>
> Shurely Travibus would be "to, for, by, with or from Travises", and "of
> Travises" would be "Travorum"?
A funny thing happened on the way to Travorum...
-(Y)
PS: travorum = ingredient in Nexus cocktail?
Bringing more threads together:
"avant la lettre" is French for "Prior."
Who, by the way, is Ace?
And if Dayna HAD settled down with Og, she and Tank
Girl might have had a lot in common.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:26:24 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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Min, replying to Gnog, said:
> Much of a muchness isnt it. Instead of the masses being brainwashed to
the
> ways of big brother, and living quite oblivious and fairly happy about it,
> or being thrust into Chaos. Hmmmmmm but at least they wouldnt be ruled by
> the bad guys........or would they?? <G>
I can't get past the fact that apparently destroying Star One would wipe two
hundred or so terraformed planets off the board. In fact I can easily
imagine
several series about people who happened to be off planet that day, and are
now
EXTREMELY unhappy with Blake.
But talk about blind faith in technology...if I understand what Servalan
said
correctly, NOBODY is supposed to know where Star One is, (what genius
thought THAT up? I think I used to work for him) and the entire
central computer control for hundreds of planets was supposed to be entirely
automated and would have been completely without personnel if a few people
hadn't volunteered to be stranded there. Why not make the location
classified,
and treat it as an elite colony?
-(Y)
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:41:10 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> There is no malice in Vila's humour,
> no deeply-felt resentment, which IRL would be there in truckloads. He's the
> prole who accepts his lot unquestioningly, validating the class hierarchy,
> because it's in the interests of the ruling class (represented in this case
> by the BBC) to portray the proles as knowing their place and sticking to it.
>
> Comrade Neil
Which brings to mind one reason I love StarDrive in spite of the
perfectly awful villians.
Vila very clearly and completely outsmarts the two alpha(in both senses,
I believe) males. For once, they have to do the uncomfortable work,
which is otherwise always pawned off on him. Then he gets to sit back
smugly and allow everyone else to know his triumph.
He doesn't challenge the power structure because once you're at the top
you have to fight to stay there (witness the Avon vs. Blake; crew vs.
Blake; Tarrant vs Avon; crew vs Avon moments throughout the entire
series.) Being bullied aorund a bit can be a small price for a
relatively safe position. (Which of course, turned out often to be less
safe than he anticipated). Another lower class person, such as Rashel
from Weapon, WOULD have challenged it once she had a little time to gain
self-confidence fully. I'm a little more shocked at how little the
females who were part of the regular crew did to assert themselves.
Power isn't just divided on social class, but also gender. Servalan was
the only female who habitually gave orders to males, and she was 'evil'.
Justifying, fictionally, the real power difference between men and women
in most of society.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:58:34 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] 'Blake' and beyond
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:36:38 +0100 "Nyder"
<nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net> writes:
> > >From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
> > >a young woman whose main
> > >hobby seems to be constructing explosive devices (Dayna as Ace
> > >avant-la-lettre? Discuss).
> >
> > No, really - since when were Dayna's parts in each episode along
> the lines
> > of "neurosis of the week"? That's my stumbling block in the
> comparison.
> >
>
> Good point, but perhaps if Avon had been asking her how she felt
> about her
> father's death every episode she'd have become a quivering wreck too
> (honestly, couldn't the Doctor have left the girl alone for five
> minutes? He
> never asked Jo Grant how she felt about her mum. That we know of,
> anyway).
In fairness to the Doctor, Ace, Jo Grant, Dayna, and Avon (whew), neither
Jo nor Dayna ever blew up a building because they were somehow sensitive
to its evil, psychic leftovers (that we know of). If they had done this,
we have no reason to believe the sensitivity came because they were
somehow tainted by a demon out to destroy all life on Earth and into
raising up armies of the undead. Finally, we have no reason to believe
either of them met the Doctor or Avon because said demon set them up to
do so.
Now, if you find yourself watching out for a young girl who, besides
being a bit wacko with explosives, also seems to be (through heredity)
potentially under the control of a demon who wants to destroy the world
in general and you in particular, see how often you'd be checking up on
her family tree.
Ellynne
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:19:39 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Tue Jun 27 16:14:37 BST 2000 Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> writes:
>
There's got to be a language (possibly even a Romance language) where you
could justify the form Travis-ties.
Ellynne (whose Latin was never to hot to begin with but can't shake the
liking for polylingual puns)
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:02:17 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
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Sally wrote:
>Okay - to throw a bit of taffy into the discussion - let's go the other
>way.
>What are your favourite (or what you think are the best) episodes?
Umm gosh, Gambit and then Countdown, though I loved Sarcophagus.
Jessica
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:07:32 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:41:10 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes:
I'm a little more shocked at how little the
> females who were part of the regular crew did to assert themselves.
> Power isn't just divided on social class, but also gender. Servalan
> was
> the only female who habitually gave orders to males, and she was
> 'evil'.
> Justifying, fictionally, the real power difference between men and
> women
> in most of society.
>
Of the reams of gender power issues stories I've come across, there are
the interesting Amazon stories (although Power was an exception, it's
interesting that so many show an evil female hierarchy grinding down the
males [hence, presenting a surface argument for the guys not to let
females get to uppity] but they do this by presenting a role reversal
that show the guys suffering an exagerated version of the women's
position and finding it truly unjust and unbarable, consequently making
an argument _for_ changing gender roles... Saturday cartoons _never_
properly explore the issues they raise) but I always thought book II of
the Oz books had the most interesting one.
For those who haven't read the Land of Oz, young boy, Tip, runs away from
evil witch who raised him and meets General Ginger, a young woman leading
an army of other women to overthrow the Scarecrow and seize power with
aid from the evil witch, Mombi (same witch who's after Tip). Although
Tip arrives in time to warn the Scarecrow and help him escape, the
Scarecrow is unable to mount any kind of effective resistance. On the
sexist side, Ginger and her army (armed with knitting needles, no less)
fight so effectively because no decent man will strike a woman (Avon has
never been to Oz, but we already knew that).
The Scarecrow gets help from Glinda, the good witch and only effective
leader in Oz at this time, who has her own army - also all female (and
the only effective fighting force in Oz [the all male armies shown later
in Oz are generally made of officers who enjoy their uniforms. There is
one private so they have someone to order around]). Unlike Ginger's
bunch, they're the real thing with real weapons.
The people of the Emerald City, having been forced to switch gender
roles, are only too glad to go back to normal. Meanwhile, Mombi is
forced to reveal how she transformed the rightful ruler of Oz, infant
princess Ozma, so she would never be found by turning her into a boy, Tip
(who is then turned back into his proper form and goes from escaped slave
to absolute monarch).
What this is trying to teach about gender roles elludes me, as does its
connection to B7, although Servalan wouldn't last five seconds with
Glinda (but the pained look on Avon's face as Vila learns from the Wizard
that he had courage and brains all along is just a bit too much to bear.
I rather doubt he'd want to be told he always had a heart, much less see
evidence on this point presented to everyone. Hope Cally likes red
shoes....).
Ellynne
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:20:01 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
>Now, if you find yourself watching out for a young girl who, besides
>being a bit wacko with explosives, also seems to be (through heredity)
>potentially under the control of a demon who wants to destroy the world
>in general and you in particular, see how often you'd be checking up on
>her family tree.
<smile> Reminds me that I've always thought that, if there'd been another
series of Doctor Who right after what was the last, the Doctor would've
carried Ace off to Metebelis Three, to cure her arachnophobia. Or maybe, to
link to B7 better, to Kairos.
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:23:26 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
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>From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
>PS Do not trust the judgement of the one called Una. I once saw her pull
>some small change out of her pocket to buy a pint at the convention bar,
>and
>what came out with her coinage? Fish bones and black and white feathers,
>that's what. Oh, how shamelessly does evil flaunt itself in its arrogance!
I think you're just channelling her power animal, really...
Regards
Joanne
(the first rule is you don't talk about this anymore...)
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:29:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] DS9 crossover (was Re: Crew, Models and Liaisons)
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Tiger M wrote:
> How about Garak using those skills *on* Avon? ;-)
Ohh! Ooh! But, no, then Avon would have to kill him, and I couldn't
bear that. (Avon is just so much less forgiving than Odo...) 'Tis a
lovely thought, though...
Then Una wrote:
> Mail me mail me mail me mail me! We can brainstorm! Want want WANT this
> story!
[LOL!] I'm not going to get out of this, am I? Well, OK, in that
case, I can use all the help I can get... :)
And, repsonding to Tiger's comment:
> Or there's always Cally, who would feel duty-bound to forgive him (after
> kicking the shit out of him) and then there would be angst.
Angst is good. Of course, you can't possibly get characters like
these together *without* having angst... Which is the beauty of the
concept, really. :)
Still Una (now responding to me):
> > But, damn it, the problem is I can't write plot to save my life...
>
> Plot schlmot. Plots write themselves.
Well, maybe *yours* do...
> And who cares about plot when you can
> have a series of scorching scenes made up of killer dialogue?
Yeah, but they've got to have something to talk *about*, don't they?
Besides fashion, presumably.
--
Betty Ragan ** bragan@nrao.edu ** http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~bragan
Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise.
"Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a
tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov
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Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:28:53 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Women we like [was Re: [B7L] RoD (was Animals)]
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>From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
>She really is absolutely the worst actor on the whole of B7. And I'm
>including the bloke in 'Warlord' who says, 'But words are only... words!'
That voice vs those hand gestures. I say no contest!
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:51:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
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cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] Gareth signing
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I've got about half a dozen pre-orders for copies of Gareth's new CD. If anyone
else wants a signed copy, please let me know asap as the signing is on Saturday.
Tenth Planet in Barking, 1pm - 4pm - Hope to see some of you there.
If you order the CD via http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 just put a message in the
'comments' section of the order saying whom you want the autograph to be signed
to.
Judith
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